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Irish Whiskey
Caldari
Warped Mining
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Posted - 2008.11.14 08:32:00 -
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2008.11.14 09:13:00 -
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I know I probably shouldn't, but I couldn't help but laugh at the article. Escpecially:
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Sure enough, 18 teenagers ..... along with eight children who were 11 or 12. Five of the children dropped off have been from out of state.
People drove especially from out of state to off-load their teenagers  Fantastic. OIA. 
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.14 09:21:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 14/11/2008 09:22:59
Originally by: Xrak
Originally by: Mr Friendly
Originally by: Xrak
I highly doubt that disciplining your child in public would cause someone to ring child services. Now maybe if you are using corporal punishment on them, yes.
Corporal punishment and discipline are not the same thing and are definitely not interchangeable.
As for the first, you are sadly wrong, particularly if you live in N.America. It's classed as abuse if you touch children in anger, let alone heinously spank them. It's ridiculous.
Discipline does NOT mean physical punishment. Punishment and discipline are two very distinct concepts and they should not be used interchangeably as they so often are.
a good slap in the buttocks never hurted anyone.
also, my father was a bit lenitent with stuff, except one thing: he hated disrespect. And he punished me when I lacked respect in any way.
and tbh, when looking at those times, I say it was a good thing.
mild dosages of corporal punishment to discipline your kids when they are being really naughty is good. But I agree that there is a limit.
(by corporal punishment I mean a few slaps btw. my english dicionary needs an update )
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Kerosene
Caldari
Emergent Chaos
Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.11.14 09:37:00 -
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Myself and my partner have consciously decided a while back that having children is a Bad Idea. It's just too dangerous. You see where child laws are now compared to 15 year ago... imagine what it'll be like in a further 15 years.
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Malcanis
RuffRyders
Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.14 09:43:00 -
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I remember as a small child one of me and my brother's favourite games was to entice other kids to misbehave around my mum.
Ah, the hilarity when the predictable - and instantly, painfully incorrect - "you can't smack me, you're not my mum" line came out.
Meanwhile we learnt to be discreet, or at least far away, when we were bad.
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jason hill
Caldari
Clan Shadow Wolf
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.14 12:31:00 -
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cant belive I am reading this !!  |
Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.11.14 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Florio
Originally by: Xrak
A good parent is the one who doesn't need to use violence.
This.
You can bring up a child with excellent behaviour without violence against them of any sort, so any violence is unnecessary.
Yep, that means your parents who smack, or you if you're a parent who smacks, could do better.
When you have a kid, you've got to do it right the first time, you can't just reset and start again. Maybe giving them the occasionnal smack when they screw up bad isn't the best possible way, to do it, but it's a way that DOES work.
When I screwed up badly as a kid, like throwing things at my brothers, I got smacked. On average maybe once a month. When i didn't get to school like I was supposed to, I got lashes from those small multi-tail whips they use for dogs and stuff. Nothing heavy-duty, of course, just enough to leave red welts.
Now I'm a fairly nice person, with a strong sense of ethics or morality, and I look at some of those whose parents I know weren't stern enough with them. Like that one, who, because his parents didn't really care about what he was doing, was "lost" for a while, got approached by people who DID listen to him, and end up an Islam convert. Or his younger brother, 15 years old, completely manipulating his mother to be, for all intends and purposes, his personnal slave, found wandering in the street at night with a whisky bottle in his hands.
Just two examples among many, thought those are the worst ones I know about. Still, teachers getting assaulted in school by their students is getting more frequent, and you can bet this nonsense about not ever hitting a child has a large part of responsability in this.
Looking back, I'm glad my parents didn't tolerate my crap, at least now I'm not a screwed up adult. |
KurmoL
Caldari
Evil Activities
United For 0rder
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Posted - 2008.11.14 15:37:00 -
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I remember during my childhood I got a slap across teh ass sometimes when i did something bad. to be honest it never hurts. the punish of it is something is happening to you what you don't want to happen. only when my dad pulled my ear once when I was 16 i planted my fist in his face AFTER saying let the fuk go of me because that seriously hurts. and dont say im some kind of drop out now because I hit my dad I've got my master degrees and I have a Daughter myself and I wouldn't even think of hitting her because imo it's totally unessecary and my wife wud prophably knife me in my sleep.
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Kravick Drasari
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Posted - 2008.11.14 23:25:00 -
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Because it needs to be said.
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Remember: never take **** from your kids. You make payments on the house, utilities, their clothes, school, and their food. You own them. If they don't like it, they can move out. If you love your kids, love them enough to beat them so that they don't grow up to be idiots.
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=beat
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.11.14 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Xrak
A good parent is the one who doesn't need to use violence.
A good parent is a parent who can use the RIGHT amount of violence to have the proper effect while not causing any (lasting/significant) damage.
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Kakuremichi
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Posted - 2008.11.15 00:08:00 -
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After giving me the odd clout on the back and the head when little, and I had been repeatedly misbehaving, my parents resolved to not do so for my little brother. The current product is a whiny, manipulative little brat, who is very inconsiderate of others, and who needs to be made aware that others aren't obliged to tolerate him.
If applied correctly mild corporal punishment is a valid and useful parenting technique, the problem is that it is difficult to apply correctly. The ideal use of corporal punishment would be administer once, and never need to again.
(Aside: Intellectual wounds from verbal abuse are worse than physical abuse, why do you think most torture is mainly psychological?) |
rValdez5987
Amarr
32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.
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Posted - 2008.11.15 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kravick Drasari
Edited by: Kravick Drasari on 14/11/2008 03:34:57
Originally by: Xrak
A good parent is the one who doesn't need to use violence.
That is also a parent who is their kids *****. I've seen the difference first hand the difference a belt vs a stern talking too can do.
My father gave me the belt when I did stupid ****. Stupid **** I deserved to get the belt for. Not because I didn't do my homework or or said a swear word. That was what "go to your room" was for. I'm talking about pulling the fire alarm at school, setting off bombs in the back yard fulled by lawnmower gas, and chucking black walnuts (had a black walnut tree in my back yard) at the neighbors dog. You might not think black walnuts are not a big deal but they're 5 times harder than an English walnut and can do serious bodily harm. Its like being hit with a rock.
After my parents got divorced my sister, brother, and myself was forced to live with my mother. I obviously had no say in the matter or I would have gone with my father. My mother believes in the no hitting a child ever. As a result my brother is about to flunk out of high school. Not because hes doing drugs or is a gangbanger, but because he doesn't care. He sits at home and plays Guitar Hero 3 and those ****ty console FPS games all day long. When my mother tries to take away his XBox or PS3 he hits her and takes it back. Yes, literally hits my mother. I have witnessed this myself. He even punches holes in the wall when he can't get his way. My mothers house is full of these such holes. I'd love to do something about it but our injustice system is so ****ed up here that there is nothing I can do short of doing something that puts me in jail.
My sister has become a stuck up sand in the vag ***** all the time. There isn't a moment that doesn't go by she isn't screeching like a harpy and nagging about one thing or another. All she does is *****, whine, and moan. When she doesn't get what she wants she throws **** and calls my mom a worthless *****. I'd back hand her ass myself for that alone if it wouldn't land me in jail for assault on a minor.
I did none of these things and here I am capable of rational thought and able to support myself and my EVE-Online addition.
it can be taken to far such as in my case. I wasnt able to get help when i was legitimately abused. Now they have gone to the other side of the deep end. |
Arianhod
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Posted - 2008.11.15 00:18:00 -
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Well, I have been hit many a time as a child - largely because I was a complete **** when I was growing up till 10, had light ADHD aswell, so that didn't help much.
Truth be told I believe I am better off today because of the fact mum wouldn't think twice about a slap to the back of the head....
Isn't it amazing how learning by pain is so hardwired into our minds that a small slap can get a *****y spoiled 10 yr old to stop *****ing fairly quickly, yet is seen as immmoral. Then we consider the fact that the competent, hardworking part of the population is losing it's percentage of the population as the Chavs have multiple children at a young age, then teach their children to do the same! My grandparents saw the dawn of WW2 from the classroom, some of these people have 3 or more extra generations squeezed in!
I fear my generation ascending to getting into work, I already reckon that given my competition I could get disturbingly high in the system.... when you see this as the national flag you know whats happened  |
Megan Maynard
Minmatar
Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.11.15 01:08:00 -
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Edited by: Megan Maynard on 15/11/2008 01:08:16
Both my father and my step father told me they would kick my ass if they ever found out i was doing any drugs.
Thing was I didn't doubt either one of them. You know when a parent is full of **** or when they mean business and both of them meant it.
I was yelled at for being an idiot, and as a child I was spanked by all parents.
I think they did all right. |
Lilla Kharn
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Posted - 2008.11.15 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kravick Drasari
This is what happens when punishing your kids is considered child abuse. Had these parents been able to take a belt to their kids like it should be these children wouldn't be so out of control that their parents feel the need to abandon them out of pure fear/frustration/anger/hate/loathing or all of the above.
Did you know that in America if your kid hits you and you back hand the little punk to put him/her in his/her place and leave a bruise you are now considered an abusive parent and the state will take your children away and press charges against you? The children know, and they abuse the hell out of this system.
Um....ya...that's exactly what the cops told me when they came to my house. Uh huh. That he didn't have the right to hit me when he wanted and I could hit whenever I wanted without being thrown in juvy. That's exactly what they told me. Uh huh.
/Sarcasm. |
soldieroffortune 258
Gallente
Trinity Council
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Posted - 2008.11.15 05:27:00 -
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Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 15/11/2008 05:33:56
Originally by: Kravick Drasari
This is what happens when punishing your kids is considered child abuse. Had these parents been able to take a belt to their kids like it should be these children wouldn't be so out of control that their parents feel the need to abandon them out of pure fear/frustration/anger/hate/loathing or all of the above.
Did you know that in America if your kid hits you and you back hand the little punk to put him/her in his/her place and leave a bruise you are now considered an abusive parent and the state will take your children away and press charges against you? The children know, and they abuse the hell out of this system.
problem is, many parents dont limit themselves to that, they go straight from slap in the face to knocking out teeth, you can ask my drunken step-father who tryed multiple times and payed dearly for it each time
most times, simple punishment like a slap in the face isnt really condemed, its when that kid goes to school with a black-eye because his dad socked the **** out of him, or comes to school with a band-aid on his head when he should need stitches because mom threw a frying pan at his head, i saw this multiple times throughout middle/high school and THATS why punishment is getting more and more limited because parents cant control themselves while "disciplining" their children
EDIT: oh and also here in america (at least where i grew up) if kids dont learn from their parents and go around being disrespctful to other students or whatnot, the students themselves would give them a nice ass kicking to teach them some respect, and about 90% of the time, that **** talking idiot who got his head smashed into the locker by they guy he was insulting, they calm down quite a bit, although sometimes it did take two or three ass beatings before they realized they werent so bad, so one way or another they learn at least a little respect |
Kravick Drasari
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Posted - 2008.11.15 05:34:00 -
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Edited by: Kravick Drasari on 15/11/2008 05:35:45
Edited by: Kravick Drasari on 15/11/2008 05:35:24
Originally by: Lilla Kharn
Um....ya...that's exactly what the cops told me when they came to my house. Uh huh. That he didn't have the right to hit me when he wanted and I could hit whenever I wanted without being thrown in juvy. That's exactly what they told me. Uh huh.
/Sarcasm.
I don't really need to come up with my own response as it has already been posted by Jacob Mei from this very thread on the first page. Since you obviously didn't read it I'll quote it for you. I have also experienced and seen everything quoted below.
Originally by: Jacob Mei
You really have no idea what you just said. Look, in America we actually have police come into the class room and tell the kids that if "mom or dad lay a finger on you or each other we want you to call 9-1-1 right away so we can help them and you."
There are ads on TV that encourage people to report people they even suspect in the slightest that someone might struck their child.
I have known families where their kids actually have threatened to call the police and lie to them saying that their parents have struck them just because they werenĘt allowed to stay up late. There are many instances of when child services comes in on a tip and the way they act is as if the parents have already been found guilty and that they are here to remove the child.
Its sad to see so many people posting in this thread that don't know the difference between discipline and child abuse or they're confusing one for the other. |
Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.15 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kravick Drasari
This is what happens when punishing your kids is considered child abuse. Had these parents been able to take a belt to their kids like it should be these children wouldn't be so out of control that their parents feel the need to abandon them out of pure fear/frustration/anger/hate/loathing or all of the above.
Did you know that in America if your kid hits you and you back hand the little punk to put him/her in his/her place and leave a bruise you are now considered an abusive parent and the state will take your children away and press charges against you? The children know, and they abuse the hell out of this system.
The same in the UK and now the kids are out of control. Even the police don't know how to deal with them because they are considered juvenile and cannot be prosecuted for their actions. The parents are often the ones that end up footing the bill for vandalism etc done by their kids but what's the point? The parents can't do anything about it either but they are the ones being blamed for bad parenting.
Some laws may appear to make sense but in reality, they give people so many rights that they can abuse the system using those same laws to their advantage.
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