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Sanzorz
Amarr Mark Of Chaos Liberty.
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Posted - 2008.11.14 14:11:00 -
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Training for a Target Painter even though you're using Cruise missile still make a nice welcome. First off you deal alot more damage on smaller targets, if you have silly missile skills. The second thing is that medium drones hit ALOT more on frigate or interceptor like rats in missions. I can't say how it looks now, but it just makes the Painter alot more usable then.
Whole reason I have painter spec skill was back then on the old Torps, but I noticed it was still a nice touch when using Cruise.
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Dimmu Darko
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.14 14:18:00 -
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Well posted.
A few more of these posts and we would have less people complaining on the forums.
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Yuleth Gix
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Posted - 2008.11.14 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Navigator
My reply to the OP is simply in terms of a helpful and useful post to the community at large. Any player who takes the time to write a helpful post which benefits others deserves a little praise.
I am not a Game Designer so I cannot comment on ship and module changes or balance issues. I would suggest that if you see something that is not working as intended then you should post a thread in Ships and Modules or Features and Ideas and present a valid and intelligent argument.
In the case of the OP, he has provided a list of helpful suggestions to aid other players pilot a ship better and he is to be applauded for doing so.
As for the last time I played EVE? That would be last night after work. The time before that was the previous night. I pretty much play every day and have a highly specialised Caldari missile character (who also flies Minmatar ships) along with an Amarr specialist and Gallente specialist. I really enjoy trying out all aspects of the game but I still will not comment on Game Design changes. I like to investigate problems and see if I can change my set up or tweak my tank vs gank.
Hope that answers your question
Damm, Slistine Death you just got served!
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white kight
SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs
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Posted - 2008.11.14 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Navigator
Originally by: Slistine Death OP... thank you for your time.
However, I PVP occasionally in a cruise Raven, I've enjoyed a SB cruise manticore and various other uses of missile systems IN PVP.A BS can now speed tank me with a single AB fitted as soon as they get over 170m/s.
And this is directed directly CCP Navigator... what is your solution to that one? HUH? More stupid nerfs making a whole class of weapon systems completely worthless along with player's millions of sps and months of training down the tube.
CCP Navigator when was the last time you actually played EVE? And when was the last time anyone from CCP responded to a post asking a real question?
Read my other recent posts if you want to get an idea of what a portion of EVE thinks of the direction you guys are taking this year.
My reply to the OP is simply in terms of a helpful and useful post to the community at large. Any player who takes the time to write a helpful post which benefits others deserves a little praise.
I am not a Game Designer so I cannot comment on ship and module changes or balance issues. I would suggest that if you see something that is not working as intended then you should post a thread in Ships and Modules or Features and Ideas and present a valid and intelligent argument.
In the case of the OP, he has provided a list of helpful suggestions to aid other players pilot a ship better and he is to be applauded for doing so.
As for the last time I played EVE? That would be last night after work. The time before that was the previous night. I pretty much play every day and have a highly specialised Caldari missile character (who also flies Minmatar ships) along with an Amarr specialist and Gallente specialist. I really enjoy trying out all aspects of the game but I still will not comment on Game Design changes. I like to investigate problems and see if I can change my set up or tweak my tank vs gank.
Hope that answers your question
Lol Slistine Death you just got ***** slapped by Navigator.........Navigator you are a legend!!! Grats on the new patch mate. I like it, and i am a caldari pilot (shock horror!!!)
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Thread Locked.
Please note that the General Discussion area is not....
Oh who am I kidding - Continue
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2008.11.14 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ice Moon ..Lots of sage advice
The caring is strong in this bear.
Should be added that more damage is often better than more tank (unless in laggy systems). A dead rat does no damage after all and excessive damage increases cash/hour
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Liberator 1
Gallente Remnants of the Flame
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Posted - 2008.11.14 14:45:00 -
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Thats the best thing I've ever seen in GD.
POSTORZ ! ------------------------------------------- ôIf you are in a spaceship that is traveling at the speed of light, and you turn on the headlights, does anything happen?ö ------------------------- |
Slistine Death
Sons of Angelus Mortis
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Posted - 2008.11.14 14:48:00 -
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The question still hasn't been answered on the unbalancing in pvp when using missiles.
The problem still remains and the question has been avoided and not answered.
Op did do a nice job of offering solutions to the PVE missile carebear, however PVP cruise boat setups are broken and PVE is not PVP.
And I've been getting 'served' by CCP every since the boot.ini issue.
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Una D
Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2008.11.14 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Sanzorz Training for a Target Painter even though you're using Cruise missile still make a nice welcome. First off you deal alot more damage on smaller targets, if you have silly missile skills. The second thing is that medium drones hit ALOT more on frigate or interceptor like rats in missions. I can't say how it looks now, but it just makes the Painter alot more usable then.
Whole reason I have painter spec skill was back then on the old Torps, but I noticed it was still a nice touch when using Cruise.
It's not necessary to paint drone targets. Rather paint the stuff you are hiting with cruise missiles. Light drones will rip apart even t2 frigs in missions and mediums eat cruisers and BC just as well as before.
Puting on 2 TPs would probably be very nasty for normaly expensive tanks. |
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CCP Navigator
C C P
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Posted - 2008.11.14 14:54:00 -
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Just a clarification:
My reply to Slistine Death was not intended to be a slap down of any kind. Slistine asked some questions and I replied in an honest fashion.
Should any player find that a ship appears to be unbalanced they should always be free to post a thread in the appropriate section. The purpose of the thread will be to gain feedback from the community to improve that ships capabilities via fitting or skills and to bring the matter to the attention of the designers. |
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente War is Bliss
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Posted - 2008.11.14 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 14/11/2008 15:03:50
Originally by: CCP Navigator Just a clarification:
My reply to Slistine Death was not intended to be a slap down of any kind.
Yeah but that's what it turned out to be. Go Go Navigator!
Edit: Great post too OP. |
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white kight
SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs
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Posted - 2008.11.14 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Navigator Just a clarification:
My reply to Slistine Death was not intended to be a slap down of any kind. Slistine asked some questions and I replied in an honest fashion.
Should any player find that a ship appears to be unbalanced they should always be free to post a thread in the appropriate section. The purpose of the thread will be to gain feedback from the community to improve that ships capabilities via fitting or skills and to bring the matter to the attention of the designers.
Lol we know Navigator, we just thought it was funny |
Squably
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.11.14 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Slistine Death The question still hasn't been answered on the unbalancing in pvp when using missiles.
The problem still remains and the question has been avoided and not answered.
Op did do a nice job of offering solutions to the PVE missile carebear, however PVP cruise boat setups are broken and PVE is not PVP.
And I've been getting 'served' by CCP every since the boot.ini issue.
You still not realizing that this topic is about PVE not PVP? Reading troubles? And the topic is brilliant for PVE explains PVE pilots what to do with their PVE Ravens. So stick to the topic, theres just a 150 other raven whine threads you can try to hijack mkay. |
RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.11.14 15:26:00 -
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Can we have this stickied? |
Alex Harumichi
Gallente Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.11.14 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Slistine Death The question still hasn't been answered on the unbalancing PVP cruise boat setups are broken and PVE is not PVP.
We know very well that pve isn't pvp. However, this is a pve thread (and a damn good one). Please don't spam it with issues that are already being discussed in N other threads. Start another thread about pvp issues -- if you can do as good a job there as the OP did here (as in: list actual, specific findings and issues), then I'm sure people & the devs will be happy to comment. But not here, please.
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari Noob Much Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.14 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ice Moon
10. Use the in-game notepad to capture the optimal load-out for each mission
DON'T. Use Windows Notepad or whatever.
You'll thank me when your notes do NOT vanish into nothingness. |
MILK Monk
2nd Blood Raven Assault Squad
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Posted - 2008.11.14 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Navigator Just a clarification:
My reply to Slistine Death was not intended to be a slap down of any kind. Slistine asked some questions and I replied in an honest fashion.
yeah of course you are neutral at your position ...
*cough* ...good slap anyway __________________________________ I do it myyyy wayyyy... Milky Way. |
Kormorant
Gallente Franklin Federation
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Posted - 2008.11.14 16:30:00 -
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Top marks for op.
It is scary when someone has to make a common sense post to calm the wild herd.
I wonder how many will actually engage a thought process before crying more?
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Yuleth Gix
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Posted - 2008.11.14 16:45:00 -
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Let the serving be sticked!
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Tobin Shalim
Vulcan Foundry OPUS Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.14 17:52:00 -
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I nominate this thread for a sticky. It's full of good advice, and win from a Dev *****slap -----
Originally by: Haakkon I feel a great deal of patriotism at being a part of Goonswarm. We've accomplished great things... we're just mainly jerks about it
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Juicy Fruits
Empyrean Age
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Posted - 2008.11.14 19:16:00 -
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indeed an excellent post for people trying to make theyre banana guns back into missile launchers.
Originally by: DHB WildCat The raven is a useless POS now. /me cries a tear.
WildCat
If BE are telling you its broken, its broken! |
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Pedro Snachez
Revolution Holdings
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Posted - 2008.11.14 20:35:00 -
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Truly excellent advice! Back to the top of the page where this post deserves to be *hint hint* |
Essack Leadae
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.14 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Navigator In the case of the OP, he has provided a list of helpful suggestions to aid other players pilot a ship better and he is to be applauded for doing so.
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Welp, now it is helpful to say at one player to ½ skill few more months + to be able to play...
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Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.11.14 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Essack Leadae
Originally by: CCP Navigator In the case of the OP, he has provided a list of helpful suggestions to aid other players pilot a ship better and he is to be applauded for doing so.
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Welp, now it is helpful to say at one player to ½ skill few more months + to be able to play...
Gasp! Imagine that. Someone in an rpgmmo has to get high skills to participate in the high end content with the high end rewards. The Horror!
On topic: Awesome post op! Nominate for a Sticky! |
Essack Leadae
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.14 21:19:00 -
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Edited by: Essack Leadae on 14/11/2008 21:23:40 Edited by: Essack Leadae on 14/11/2008 21:23:19
Originally by: Zeba Personal rewrite : I am a few dumb
In other mmorpgs, you don't have to work so long to have fun in the game.
Personaly, after many months of "gaming" in EvE where I was unable to do what I want, when I want, easily and efficiently, so unable to have fun and frustrated with some months where I just leave EvE, yes I can say that it is really helpful to say to someone to "skill more"
The goal of a game is not waiting.
The goal is to have fun.
Log in the game to just change a fu.cki.ng skill is not fun.
As I am not a specialized player (can't be one, I always want to see everything in a game), I needed to wait 15 months before I realize that I can begin to truly enjoy EvE in all his aspect, and now most of this time is partially destroyed. I need 3 months to compensate this nerf, well... trying to compensate.
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Zachary Hayden
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Posted - 2008.11.14 21:23:00 -
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Edited by: Zachary Hayden on 14/11/2008 21:24:23
Originally by: CCP Navigator Just a clarification:
My reply to Slistine Death was not intended to be a slap down of any kind. Slistine asked some questions and I replied in an honest fashion.
Should any player find that a ship appears to be unbalanced they should always be free to post a thread in the appropriate section. The purpose of the thread will be to gain feedback from the community to improve that ships capabilities via fitting or skills and to bring the matter to the attention of the designers.
That was a very magnanimous response. I know you guys at CCP have a very tough job - making the game as balanced as possible. This will inevitably make some people mad. This is not an attack on Slistine. He actually has point in his concern about missles in PVP. I am a Caldari and run a CNR for PVE, but have cross trained to Minmatar for PVP. The best we can do is just what CCP Navigator said. Add our concerns and solutions to the appropriate thread. I love this game and I know Slistine and many others feel the same attachment to it. I guess we all want the end product to be as good as it can be (and be able to have our race kick butt in PVP)
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Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.11.14 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Essack Leadae
Originally by: Zeba Personal rewrite : I am a few dumb
In other mmorpgs, you don't have to work so long to have fun in the game.
Personaly, after many months of "gaming" in EvE where I was unable to do what I want, when I want, easily and efficiently, so unable to have fun and frustrated with some months where I just leave EvE, yes I can say that it is really helpful to say to someone to "skill more"
The goal of a game is not waiting.
The goal is to have fun.
Log in the game to just change a fu.cki.ng skill is not fun.
As I am not a specialized player, I needed to wait 15 months before I realize that I begin to truly enjoy EvE, and now all this time is partially destroyed. I need 3 months to compensate this nerf, well... trying to compensate.
Time != Fun
So you are saying that just because all the other mmo's have a short and simple path to the high end pve content and rewards that Eve should also have the same? Eve != other mmos.
inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan |
Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.11.14 21:31:00 -
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Navigator, delete all responses and lock and sticky this PLEASE! --
Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donæt forget the reach-around.
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Zachary Hayden
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Posted - 2008.11.14 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Essack Leadae
Originally by: Zeba Personal rewrite : I am a few dumb
In other mmorpgs, you don't have to work so long to have fun in the game.
Personaly, after many months of "gaming" in EvE where I was unable to do what I want, when I want, easily and efficiently, so unable to have fun and frustrated with some months where I just leave EvE, yes I can say that it is really helpful to say to someone to "skill more"
The goal of a game is not waiting.
The goal is to have fun.
Log in the game to just change a fu.cki.ng skill is not fun.
As I am not a specialized player, I needed to wait 15 months before I realize that I begin to truly enjoy EvE, and now all this time is partially destroyed. I need 3 months to compensate this nerf, well... trying to compensate.
Time != Fun
Almost all of us recognize that this game is very slow and our characters will not make it to end game content as quickly as possible (what is the definition of end game content in EVE?). However, we gladly accept this trade off becuase this game allows our characters to do so many different things. I love that i started as a Caldari, but was able to move into guns and Minmatar ships. In any other game, when you roll a priest, you are a priest for life. You want to do things a Warrior does? Tough. You have to start anew with a new character.
So yeah, it does suck to skill Battleship V or any other long skill. But I still keep coming back for more. No other game has held my attention for so long. Good job CCP!
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Essack Leadae
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.14 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: Essack Leadae on 14/11/2008 21:53:08
Quote: So you are saying that just because all the other mmo's have a short and simple path to the high end pve content and rewards that Eve should also have the same? Eve != other mmos
No, I just did a remark about the classical "Skill more" because when I read that, it is like a frustrating provocation, and when few players appreciate that, it is worse. It is too easy to tell at everyone to reduce their fun for a long training time because of a nerf.
Same if I have to admit that the OP tried to help.
EvE don't have to be like WoW or other stupid games, but EvE don't have to be the extreme inverted way. This game suffer of a bad reputation because of the training time, and this kind of expansion don't help.
Also, for exemple, when the torpedoes was nerfed, there was some compensations, like the better ROF, etc... So I manage to make them interresting.
Here, nothing had been done to compensate, and this nerf make problems with the already difficult fitting process of a Caldari ship : Electronic, Weapon, Tank, you can have 2 not 3 despite the fact that some armor tankers can have sometimes 3.
Also, this nerf who was the consequence of the "speed nerf" sound like more a "speed boost" for me, as this motivates more than before to use a speed tank. So it is more unacceptable.
Quote: In any other game, when you roll a priest, you are a priest for life. You want to do things a Warrior does? Tough. You have to start anew with a new character.
Yes, but in any other games, it is your efforts who permit to do everything, so this compensate. In EvE, nothing compensate the obligation of waiting, and sometimes nothing is here to compensate a nerf. |
ouroboros trading
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.14 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: RedSplat Can we have this stickied?
imma werking on it
*moves hand in a rapid oscillating fashion* |
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