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Horatio Starkiller	Posted - 2004.07.07 19:32:00 - [1] I'm curious how the Amarr think this is a successful transfer... 10,000 successful transports with several thousand failures (so 2000-3000) this means that approximately 1/5th of the cathedral never made it. I wouldn't be happy moving my house to find I'd left the roof behind. -----------
Horatio Starkiller	Posted - 2004.07.07 19:32:00 - [2] I'm curious how the Amarr think this is a successful transfer... 10,000 successful transports with several thousand failures (so 2000-3000) this means that approximately 1/5th of the cathedral never made it. I wouldn't be happy moving my house to find I'd left the roof behind. -----------
Tess Durbeyfield	Posted - 2004.07.07 21:10:00 - [3] Well, you know what they're like - they'll probably say the roof ain't there 'coz their god wants them to worship in the rain to prove their faith or something... These sacred stones are kinda nice though, I might see if I can use mine to build a barbecue -------------------- "My dear, I'm going to have a pretty lonely walk between this and Kingdom Come. Won't you give me one kiss? It'll be something to keep off the darkness now and then." Bram Stoker, Dracula
Tess Durbeyfield	Posted - 2004.07.07 21:10:00 - [4] Well, you know what they're like - they'll probably say the roof ain't there 'coz their god wants them to worship in the rain to prove their faith or something... These sacred stones are kinda nice though, I might see if I can use mine to build a barbecue -------------------- "My dear, I'm going to have a pretty lonely walk between this and Kingdom Come. Won't you give me one kiss? It'll be something to keep off the darkness now and then." Bram Stoker, Dracula
Horatio Starkiller	Posted - 2004.07.07 21:23:00 - [5] I can provide rain in the following forms... thermal, kinetic, and explosive. -----------
Horatio Starkiller	Posted - 2004.07.07 21:23:00 - [6] I can provide rain in the following forms... thermal, kinetic, and explosive. -----------
Kal Cyann	Posted - 2004.07.07 21:23:00 - [7] BURN IT DOWN... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Kal Cyann	Posted - 2004.07.07 21:23:00 - [8] BURN IT DOWN... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Gaius Avarius	Posted - 2004.07.07 21:37:00 - [9] Edited by: Gaius Avarius on 07/07/2004 21:41:40 We are blessed with the knowledge how to reproduce a far more complex building: a human, including body and spirit. The process is called "cloning", I'm sure you have experience with it. So do you blinded heathens really think something simple as a stone could be a problem? Of course every single stone of the cathedral is a holy relic and so it is an incredible sin to destroy it. Everybody who dared to do so will burn in eternal purgatory, that is inescapable. Nevertheless the cathedral (I visited it more than once in the past) lay in ruins anyway and most of the stones had to be restored to reconstruct the whole building. The loss of the unsuccessful transports doesn't make much of a difference. The traitors and barbarians who blemished their souls with the destruction of a sacred heritage are the only ones to lose in this clash.
Gaius Avarius	Posted - 2004.07.07 21:37:00 - [10] Edited by: Gaius Avarius on 07/07/2004 21:41:40 We are blessed with the knowledge how to reproduce a far more complex building: a human, including body and spirit. The process is called "cloning", I'm sure you have experience with it. So do you blinded heathens really think something simple as a stone could be a problem? Of course every single stone of the cathedral is a holy relic and so it is an incredible sin to destroy it. Everybody who dared to do so will burn in eternal purgatory, that is inescapable. Nevertheless the cathedral (I visited it more than once in the past) lay in ruins anyway and most of the stones had to be restored to reconstruct the whole building. The loss of the unsuccessful transports doesn't make much of a difference. The traitors and barbarians who blemished their souls with the destruction of a sacred heritage are the only ones to lose in this clash.
Kalast Raven	Posted - 2004.07.07 22:17:00 - [11] Weren't the traitors and barbarians you speak of supporters of Catiz Tash-Murkon, Imperial Heir? Forgive me if my knowledge of the Empire is incorrect, but I believe those seeking to prevent transit of the Cathedral were her agents... ------- K. Raven
Kalast Raven	Posted - 2004.07.07 22:17:00 - [12] Weren't the traitors and barbarians you speak of supporters of Catiz Tash-Murkon, Imperial Heir? Forgive me if my knowledge of the Empire is incorrect, but I believe those seeking to prevent transit of the Cathedral were her agents... ------- K. Raven
Ly'sol	Posted - 2004.07.08 06:59:00 - [13] Thats one thing I never fully understood about the Amarr...thier affinity for "Old" and "Dead" things. If it was me...hypotheticly of course...I'd flatten a good portion of the Amarr homeworld that has structures and infrastructures older than 100 years. Then re-build something useful over the top, like a hyper-transport line. A personal vechicle factory, or maybe even a few dozen Agri-domes so affulent Amarr can walk thier slaves every morning and let the poor things out for a bit. I cant begin to think of the money involed to transport ROCKS from one end of the Empire to the other...Good lord you folks need some instruction. -------------------------- Vist the Jericho Fraction Forums
Ly'sol	Posted - 2004.07.08 06:59:00 - [14] Thats one thing I never fully understood about the Amarr...thier affinity for "Old" and "Dead" things. If it was me...hypotheticly of course...I'd flatten a good portion of the Amarr homeworld that has structures and infrastructures older than 100 years. Then re-build something useful over the top, like a hyper-transport line. A personal vechicle factory, or maybe even a few dozen Agri-domes so affulent Amarr can walk thier slaves every morning and let the poor things out for a bit. I cant begin to think of the money involed to transport ROCKS from one end of the Empire to the other...Good lord you folks need some instruction. -------------------------- Vist the Jericho Fraction Forums
Sammira	Posted - 2004.07.08 07:30:00 - [15] Well far be it from us to dictate to the Amarr about it, though your idea certainly does have merits Ly'sol. Certainly would improve the whole economic infrastructure of the planet. Perhaps if they tried it on a trial area, guaged income revenues then debated doing it over a larger area. It would work, the same ideas have on New Caldari certainly in the Husil and Teramochi Corporation disctricts. Myself, I think I can understand why they're moving the cathedral after listening to some of my contacts speaking about it and asking questions of the Amarr parked along side my ship in the Kor-Azor station at Eclipticum. shrugs To be honest, I would have thought moving whole sections in stasis rigged zero-G haulers would have been more cost effective, as well as allowing for greater protection with more escorts on fewer transports. Ah well, certainly improved fuel sales. Anyway, maybe it's a good thing that some of the bricks are gone. They can easily replace the bricks with modern synthetic composites that wil be stronger than the origonal. Might prevent damage such as happened before . . . hmmm. . . . I think I have contacts who might be able to supply casting chambers and poly-struct materials for next to cost . . . with a commisson of course. I refer to the bestselling book "Morkt's Caldari Bible - 101 ways to be Caldari" - Chapter 9 Opportunity and instinct can always lead to profit, no matter the circumstances. Drink StarsiÖ + [DS] Haulage Production Division Caldari State Citizen
Sammira	Posted - 2004.07.08 07:30:00 - [16] Well far be it from us to dictate to the Amarr about it, though your idea certainly does have merits Ly'sol. Certainly would improve the whole economic infrastructure of the planet. Perhaps if they tried it on a trial area, guaged income revenues then debated doing it over a larger area. It would work, the same ideas have on New Caldari certainly in the Husil and Teramochi Corporation disctricts. Myself, I think I can understand why they're moving the cathedral after listening to some of my contacts speaking about it and asking questions of the Amarr parked along side my ship in the Kor-Azor station at Eclipticum. shrugs To be honest, I would have thought moving whole sections in stasis rigged zero-G haulers would have been more cost effective, as well as allowing for greater protection with more escorts on fewer transports. Ah well, certainly improved fuel sales. Anyway, maybe it's a good thing that some of the bricks are gone. They can easily replace the bricks with modern synthetic composites that wil be stronger than the origonal. Might prevent damage such as happened before . . . hmmm. . . . I think I have contacts who might be able to supply casting chambers and poly-struct materials for next to cost . . . with a commisson of course. I refer to the bestselling book "Morkt's Caldari Bible - 101 ways to be Caldari" - Chapter 9 Opportunity and instinct can always lead to profit, no matter the circumstances. Drink StarsiÖ + [DS] Haulage Production Division Caldari State Citizen
Jim Hawkins	Posted - 2004.07.08 08:37:00 - [17] I'm no civil engineer - I'm a pilot, but if it were me, I'd make up for the shortfall by simply using a few new materials. Perhaps the stone could be gathered by quarrying a few insignificant mountain ranges on Pator. Given the proper ritual blessing, even this ungodly rock might be utilised in the service of all that is good and holy.
Jim Hawkins	Posted - 2004.07.08 08:37:00 - [18] I'm no civil engineer - I'm a pilot, but if it were me, I'd make up for the shortfall by simply using a few new materials. Perhaps the stone could be gathered by quarrying a few insignificant mountain ranges on Pator. Given the proper ritual blessing, even this ungodly rock might be utilised in the service of all that is good and holy.
Horatio Starkiller	Posted - 2004.07.08 09:07:00 - [19] So Jim your saying out of the vast Amarr empire the best materials you can find arn't in that empire but on Pator. Proves that the amarr don't have supieror everything. -----------
Horatio Starkiller	Posted - 2004.07.08 09:07:00 - [20] So Jim your saying out of the vast Amarr empire the best materials you can find arn't in that empire but on Pator. Proves that the amarr don't have supieror everything. -----------
Lorna Doone	Posted - 2004.07.08 09:25:00 - [21] What I find hilarious is that an empire that prides itself on its alleged technical superiority a) still needs to hack rocks out of the ground to use as building materials and b) believes that blessing them somehow makes them better rocks --------------------------------------------------------------- "Meantime, all around me is violence and robbery, coarse delight and savage pain, reckless joke and hopeless death."
Lorna Doone	Posted - 2004.07.08 09:25:00 - [22] What I find hilarious is that an empire that prides itself on its alleged technical superiority a) still needs to hack rocks out of the ground to use as building materials and b) believes that blessing them somehow makes them better rocks --------------------------------------------------------------- "Meantime, all around me is violence and robbery, coarse delight and savage pain, reckless joke and hopeless death."
Jim Hawkins	Posted - 2004.07.08 09:26:00 - [23] You're putting words into my mouth now Horatio. What I'm actually saying is this... 'If we are in need of stone, why take the resources from our own beautiful planets and incur all the negative environmental consequences of that, when we could simply take what we need from Pator where the potential negative impact of large scale quarrying does not matter?'
Jim Hawkins	Posted - 2004.07.08 09:26:00 - [24] You're putting words into my mouth now Horatio. What I'm actually saying is this... 'If we are in need of stone, why take the resources from our own beautiful planets and incur all the negative environmental consequences of that, when we could simply take what we need from Pator where the potential negative impact of large scale quarrying does not matter?'
Jim Hawkins	Posted - 2004.07.08 09:29:00 - [25] I guess slaves would actually do the quarrying Lorna. And the stone would be for use in a Cathedral, it seems somehow appropriate to have them blessed.
Jim Hawkins	Posted - 2004.07.08 09:29:00 - [26] I guess slaves would actually do the quarrying Lorna. And the stone would be for use in a Cathedral, it seems somehow appropriate to have them blessed.
Lorna Doone	Posted - 2004.07.08 09:49:00 - [27] Erm, if your god made all the planets, Pator included, won't (s)he be a tad miffed that you presume to know which ones matter and which don't? A far better solution would have been to simply swap the names of the Kor-Azor and Amarr systems, as I suggested before. Or, failing that, you could have got some building materials by dismantling that monstrous carbuncle that drifts outside one of the stations in Amarr --------------------------------------------------------------- "Meantime, all around me is violence and robbery, coarse delight and savage pain, reckless joke and hopeless death."
Lorna Doone	Posted - 2004.07.08 09:49:00 - [28] Erm, if your god made all the planets, Pator included, won't (s)he be a tad miffed that you presume to know which ones matter and which don't? A far better solution would have been to simply swap the names of the Kor-Azor and Amarr systems, as I suggested before. Or, failing that, you could have got some building materials by dismantling that monstrous carbuncle that drifts outside one of the stations in Amarr --------------------------------------------------------------- "Meantime, all around me is violence and robbery, coarse delight and savage pain, reckless joke and hopeless death."
Jim Hawkins	Posted - 2004.07.08 10:02:00 - [29] I'm sure he made all the planets for us to use however we see fit. And as far as dismantling 'monstrous carbuncles that drift outside one of the stations in Amarr' goes, I'm assuming you're not referring to your ship?
Jim Hawkins	Posted - 2004.07.08 10:02:00 - [30] I'm sure he made all the planets for us to use however we see fit. And as far as dismantling 'monstrous carbuncles that drift outside one of the stations in Amarr' goes, I'm assuming you're not referring to your ship?
Mebrithiel Ju'wien	Posted - 2004.07.08 11:00:00 - [31] Originally by: Jim Hawkins You're putting words into my mouth now Horatio. What I'm actually saying is this... 'If we are in need of stone, why take the resources from our own beautiful planets and incur all the negative environmental consequences of that, when we could simply take what we need from Pator where the potential negative impact of large scale quarrying does not matter?' Correct me if I'm wrong - and I doubt that, but didn't you Amarr strip mine an entire moon for the resources to build a Titan? ~~~~~ Eve System > Channel changed to Kehour Local Channel Concord Commodore > You have got to be the worst pirate I have ever heard of! Mebrithiel Ju'wien > But you have heard of me!
Mebrithiel Ju'wien	Posted - 2004.07.08 11:00:00 - [32] Originally by: Jim Hawkins You're putting words into my mouth now Horatio. What I'm actually saying is this... 'If we are in need of stone, why take the resources from our own beautiful planets and incur all the negative environmental consequences of that, when we could simply take what we need from Pator where the potential negative impact of large scale quarrying does not matter?' Correct me if I'm wrong - and I doubt that, but didn't you Amarr strip mine an entire moon for the resources to build a Titan? ~~~~~ Eve System > Channel changed to Kehour Local Channel Concord Commodore > You have got to be the worst pirate I have ever heard of! Mebrithiel Ju'wien > But you have heard of me!
Fasute Sethnakte	Posted - 2004.07.08 11:40:00 - [33] Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien Correct me if I'm wrong - and I doubt that, but didn't you Amarr strip mine an entire moon for the resources to build a Titan? Fasute chuckles Ahhh... those were the days... ______ SPCS Board Of Advisors Member (Science)
Fasute Sethnakte	Posted - 2004.07.08 11:40:00 - [34] Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien Correct me if I'm wrong - and I doubt that, but didn't you Amarr strip mine an entire moon for the resources to build a Titan? Fasute chuckles Ahhh... those were the days... ______ SPCS Board Of Advisors Member (Science)
Horatio Starkiller	Posted - 2004.07.08 11:54:00 - [35] Yes please come sit at pator with your mining apoc/geddon.... -----------
Horatio Starkiller	Posted - 2004.07.08 11:54:00 - [36] Yes please come sit at pator with your mining apoc/geddon.... -----------
Makkar	Posted - 2004.07.08 14:27:00 - [37] The way I see it, it matters not that the cathedral was successfully transported, or whether the majority of it found it's way on to the black market courtesy of Catiz's agents. The important factor in this is that Catiz demonstrated defiance to the emperor's rule, and the emperor's so far done absolutely nothing about it. Why? Because the merchant houses of the holders of Tash-Murkon contribute a hell of a lot to imperial koffers. Ironically, it was likely Tash-Murkon isk that financed both sides of this petty show of authority and defiance. It's really quite entertaining to think that the emperor's word is the word of god, and by such token, law, and yet it would seem that the emperor is terrified of upsetting the holders that keep him in power. After all, if the emperor's will and authority was indeed absolute, there would be no question of Catiz being able to carry off or even conceive of this minor political coup. Who's really holding who's strings? I think what we're likely to see is Doriam brushing this entire incident under his imperial carpet and pretending it never happened. That would be in the interests of the stability of the empire after all. However, it did happen, and for all his supposed holy power, Doriam can't change history. A minor act of rebellion in the face of oppression goes unpunished. Advantage: Tash-Murkon.
Makkar	Posted - 2004.07.08 14:27:00 - [38] The way I see it, it matters not that the cathedral was successfully transported, or whether the majority of it found it's way on to the black market courtesy of Catiz's agents. The important factor in this is that Catiz demonstrated defiance to the emperor's rule, and the emperor's so far done absolutely nothing about it. Why? Because the merchant houses of the holders of Tash-Murkon contribute a hell of a lot to imperial koffers. Ironically, it was likely Tash-Murkon isk that financed both sides of this petty show of authority and defiance. It's really quite entertaining to think that the emperor's word is the word of god, and by such token, law, and yet it would seem that the emperor is terrified of upsetting the holders that keep him in power. After all, if the emperor's will and authority was indeed absolute, there would be no question of Catiz being able to carry off or even conceive of this minor political coup. Who's really holding who's strings? I think what we're likely to see is Doriam brushing this entire incident under his imperial carpet and pretending it never happened. That would be in the interests of the stability of the empire after all. However, it did happen, and for all his supposed holy power, Doriam can't change history. A minor act of rebellion in the face of oppression goes unpunished. Advantage: Tash-Murkon.
Matt Ivresse	Posted - 2004.07.08 15:52:00 - [39] Edited by: Matt Ivresse on 08/07/2004 15:54:40 What I want to know is what Catiz is gonna do with all the bricks that we all have? At the moment I have over 1500 bricks in my hangar and over 500 defiled relics as well, and I really want to get something good out of them... maybe I'll build my own little house in Caldari Prime with 'em... --------------------------- DUI Racing - The PREMIER Racing corporation for Racing fans out there in the world of
Matt Ivresse	Posted - 2004.07.08 15:52:00 - [40] Edited by: Matt Ivresse on 08/07/2004 15:54:40 What I want to know is what Catiz is gonna do with all the bricks that we all have? At the moment I have over 1500 bricks in my hangar and over 500 defiled relics as well, and I really want to get something good out of them... maybe I'll build my own little house in Caldari Prime with 'em... --------------------------- DUI Racing - The PREMIER Racing corporation for Racing fans out there in the world of
Azure Skyclad	Posted - 2004.07.08 16:04:00 - [41] Some spare stones might be nice to build a new stone circle...Maybe even a henge. Bit late for midsummer now but there is always next year! La Maison de tous Les Plaisirs Star Fraction http://www.voodoorockers.co.uk/
Azure Skyclad	Posted - 2004.07.08 16:04:00 - [42] Some spare stones might be nice to build a new stone circle...Maybe even a henge. Bit late for midsummer now but there is always next year! La Maison de tous Les Plaisirs Star Fraction http://www.voodoorockers.co.uk/
Akede	Posted - 2004.07.08 16:06:00 - [43] Originally by: Kalast Raven Weren't the traitors and barbarians you speak of supporters of Catiz Tash-Murkon, Imperial Heir? Forgive me if my knowledge of the Empire is incorrect, but I believe those seeking to prevent transit of the Cathedral were her agents... I believe, that her house could provide a potential heir subject to the Championship. I'd suggest that this move of Catiz's has demonstrated her lack of loyalty to the Emporer and for that she has lost respect in the eyes of those loyal to him. Yes, she may have gained respect from her so called Agents. Let her. They will cut her throat at the first opportunity. Isn't that right, Minmatar dogs? Do you not eat your first born and wallow in their blood? Such is the stories I was told growing up. Vile creatures you are. Catiz is short sighted indeed. Her agents will bite the hand that feeds. Mark my words. __________________________ For God and the Empire! "Death is lighter than a Feather Duty heavier than a Mountain."
Akede	Posted - 2004.07.08 16:06:00 - [44] Originally by: Kalast Raven Weren't the traitors and barbarians you speak of supporters of Catiz Tash-Murkon, Imperial Heir? Forgive me if my knowledge of the Empire is incorrect, but I believe those seeking to prevent transit of the Cathedral were her agents... I believe, that her house could provide a potential heir subject to the Championship. I'd suggest that this move of Catiz's has demonstrated her lack of loyalty to the Emporer and for that she has lost respect in the eyes of those loyal to him. Yes, she may have gained respect from her so called Agents. Let her. They will cut her throat at the first opportunity. Isn't that right, Minmatar dogs? Do you not eat your first born and wallow in their blood? Such is the stories I was told growing up. Vile creatures you are. Catiz is short sighted indeed. Her agents will bite the hand that feeds. Mark my words. __________________________ For God and the Empire! "Death is lighter than a Feather Duty heavier than a Mountain."
Haratu	Posted - 2004.07.08 16:41:00 - [45] The way I see it if Catiz was to oppose the emperor more than she has already then civil war will break out... If Catiz was to do such a stupid thing then it is highly likely that she will loose simply because her trade routes to the rest of the galaxy are directly through Amarrian space. All Amarr has to do is blockade these gates and The Tash-murkons are effectively doomed... The Emperor halds the cards and Catiz is left as just a selfish little girl. I roleplay... there is this computer game called "Earth - The First Genesis" where i play a character in the early 21st century.
Haratu	Posted - 2004.07.08 16:41:00 - [46] The way I see it if Catiz was to oppose the emperor more than she has already then civil war will break out... If Catiz was to do such a stupid thing then it is highly likely that she will loose simply because her trade routes to the rest of the galaxy are directly through Amarrian space. All Amarr has to do is blockade these gates and The Tash-murkons are effectively doomed... The Emperor halds the cards and Catiz is left as just a selfish little girl. I roleplay... there is this computer game called "Earth - The First Genesis" where i play a character in the early 21st century.
Lorna Doone	Posted - 2004.07.08 19:28:00 - [47] You know, what with Tashy-babes and her civil war, Dorz and his rampant relatives and that one who's supposed to be a ghost but might be alive or whatever, all this is almost as exciting as my favourite soap opera, 'Resident and Absent' And Admiral Trevize is spookily similar to the local grouch --------------------------------------------------------------- "Meantime, all around me is violence and robbery, coarse delight and savage pain, reckless joke and hopeless death."
Lorna Doone	Posted - 2004.07.08 19:28:00 - [48] You know, what with Tashy-babes and her civil war, Dorz and his rampant relatives and that one who's supposed to be a ghost but might be alive or whatever, all this is almost as exciting as my favourite soap opera, 'Resident and Absent' And Admiral Trevize is spookily similar to the local grouch --------------------------------------------------------------- "Meantime, all around me is violence and robbery, coarse delight and savage pain, reckless joke and hopeless death."
Gaius Avarius	Posted - 2004.07.08 23:53:00 - [49] Akede named it: Catiz Tash-Murkon and her amarrian followers are the traitors I spoke about. The other scum, from whatever origin, are the heathen barbarians. By the way: Isn't it ironic that the rebellic Minmatar slaves, the self announced freedom fighters, came in heaps to voluntary serve an Amarr family? Did they lose their brain or their pride? ...or did they never have neither?
Gaius Avarius	Posted - 2004.07.08 23:53:00 - [50] Akede named it: Catiz Tash-Murkon and her amarrian followers are the traitors I spoke about. The other scum, from whatever origin, are the heathen barbarians. By the way: Isn't it ironic that the rebellic Minmatar slaves, the self announced freedom fighters, came in heaps to voluntary serve an Amarr family? Did they lose their brain or their pride? ...or did they never have neither?
Haratu	Posted - 2004.07.09 11:42:00 - [51] Originally by: Gaius Avarius By the way: Isn't it ironic that the rebellic Minmatar slaves, the self announced freedom fighters, came in heaps to voluntary serve an Amarr family? Did they lose their brain or their pride? ...or did they never have neither? Yes, I was wondering about that... i wonder how they felt about helping a person who uses slavery in their factories... did they realise that Catiz is probably the amarrian with more slaves than anyone else... perhaps even challenging the emperor's own slave holdings. I roleplay... there is this computer game called "Earth - The First Genesis" where i play a character in the early 21st century.
Haratu	Posted - 2004.07.09 11:42:00 - [52] Originally by: Gaius Avarius By the way: Isn't it ironic that the rebellic Minmatar slaves, the self announced freedom fighters, came in heaps to voluntary serve an Amarr family? Did they lose their brain or their pride? ...or did they never have neither? Yes, I was wondering about that... i wonder how they felt about helping a person who uses slavery in their factories... did they realise that Catiz is probably the amarrian with more slaves than anyone else... perhaps even challenging the emperor's own slave holdings. I roleplay... there is this computer game called "Earth - The First Genesis" where i play a character in the early 21st century.
Tsual	Posted - 2004.07.09 12:15:00 - [53] Seems us Minnies don't need to bring the storm to Amarr, the Amarrian might do it themselves. -------------------------------------- Tsual - Miner from faith, frigat junky for life. Ritual of the Qua'nadhar.
Tsual	Posted - 2004.07.09 12:15:00 - [54] Seems us Minnies don't need to bring the storm to Amarr, the Amarrian might do it themselves. -------------------------------------- Tsual - Miner from faith, frigat junky for life. Ritual of the Qua'nadhar.
Makkar	Posted - 2004.07.09 12:26:00 - [55] One single act of defiance triggered the Minmatar Rebellion all those years ago. Of course, it also triggered the annihilation of the Starkmanir, but the part of the Starkmanir Tribe in this story is played by the house of Tash-Murkon. Minmatar, and other anti-imperial activists merely played the part of the Khumaak.
Makkar	Posted - 2004.07.09 12:26:00 - [56] One single act of defiance triggered the Minmatar Rebellion all those years ago. Of course, it also triggered the annihilation of the Starkmanir, but the part of the Starkmanir Tribe in this story is played by the house of Tash-Murkon. Minmatar, and other anti-imperial activists merely played the part of the Khumaak.
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2004.07.09 12:59:00 - [57] Originally by: Makkar One single act of defiance triggered the Minmatar Rebellion all those years ago. Of course, it also triggered the annihilation of the Starkmanir, but the part of the Starkmanir Tribe in this story is played by the house of Tash-Murkon. Minmatar, and other anti-imperial activists merely played the part of the Khumaak. This is merely wishful thinking on your part. When the leaders of the Empire of have differences of opinion, they are resolved with dignity and informed debate. When Minmatar have differences of opinion, more often than not it will end in bloodshed and carnage. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2004.07.09 12:59:00 - [58] Originally by: Makkar One single act of defiance triggered the Minmatar Rebellion all those years ago. Of course, it also triggered the annihilation of the Starkmanir, but the part of the Starkmanir Tribe in this story is played by the house of Tash-Murkon. Minmatar, and other anti-imperial activists merely played the part of the Khumaak. This is merely wishful thinking on your part. When the leaders of the Empire of have differences of opinion, they are resolved with dignity and informed debate. When Minmatar have differences of opinion, more often than not it will end in bloodshed and carnage. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Makkar	Posted - 2004.07.09 13:10:00 - [59] Amazing, Rodj... How do you fly that ship of yours with your eyes shut tight and your fingers in your ears? A wheel has been set in motion. We were not the motor, but rather the bearings. However, if you want it in simplistic terms, I was paid by amarrians to kill amarrians, and in so doing blow a raspberry at the emperor. Does that sit better with your idea of the minmatar grasp of politics?
Makkar	Posted - 2004.07.09 13:10:00 - [60] Amazing, Rodj... How do you fly that ship of yours with your eyes shut tight and your fingers in your ears? A wheel has been set in motion. We were not the motor, but rather the bearings. However, if you want it in simplistic terms, I was paid by amarrians to kill amarrians, and in so doing blow a raspberry at the emperor. Does that sit better with your idea of the minmatar grasp of politics?
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2004.07.09 14:19:00 - [61] Originally by: Makkar Amazing, Rodj... How do you fly that ship of yours with your eyes shut tight and your fingers in your ears? By direct neural interface, of course Quote: However, if you want it in simplistic terms, I was paid by amarrians to kill amarrians, and in so doing blow a raspberry at the emperor. Does that sit better with your idea of the minmatar grasp of politics? You're trying to exaggerate the effect your little stunt has had. As I type, the Cathedral of St. Tal-Romon is being prepared for reconstruction. Meanwhile, I hope that an enquiry will soon be announced, to look into the actions of those agents who claim to be acting in the best interests of Catiz Tash-Murkon by employing reprobates such as yourself to do their dirty work. I believe that Lady Catiz will be more than happy to co-operate with this enquiry. I have complete faith that the Amarrian judicial system will resolve any outstanding issues with a minimum of fuss. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2004.07.09 14:19:00 - [62] Originally by: Makkar Amazing, Rodj... How do you fly that ship of yours with your eyes shut tight and your fingers in your ears? By direct neural interface, of course Quote: However, if you want it in simplistic terms, I was paid by amarrians to kill amarrians, and in so doing blow a raspberry at the emperor. Does that sit better with your idea of the minmatar grasp of politics? You're trying to exaggerate the effect your little stunt has had. As I type, the Cathedral of St. Tal-Romon is being prepared for reconstruction. Meanwhile, I hope that an enquiry will soon be announced, to look into the actions of those agents who claim to be acting in the best interests of Catiz Tash-Murkon by employing reprobates such as yourself to do their dirty work. I believe that Lady Catiz will be more than happy to co-operate with this enquiry. I have complete faith that the Amarrian judicial system will resolve any outstanding issues with a minimum of fuss. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Makkar	Posted - 2004.07.09 14:32:00 - [63] Oh I'm sure she will... Plausable deniability and all...
Makkar	Posted - 2004.07.09 14:32:00 - [64] Oh I'm sure she will... Plausable deniability and all...
Corin Raven	Posted - 2004.07.09 15:50:00 - [65] One day I should visit this "Temple in the sky".. Pay my "respects" to the blood spent on rebuilding it.. One day.. ------------------------------- Proud Captain of the CRS Loki-II (Rupture Class)
Corin Raven	Posted - 2004.07.09 15:50:00 - [66] One day I should visit this "Temple in the sky".. Pay my "respects" to the blood spent on rebuilding it.. One day.. ------------------------------- Proud Captain of the CRS Loki-II (Rupture Class)
Ezar Vorbarra	Posted - 2004.07.09 22:14:00 - [67] Originally by: Makkar However, if you want it in simplistic terms, I was paid by amarrians to kill amarrians, and in so doing blow a raspberry at the emperor. Does that sit better with your idea of the minmatar grasp of politics? Makkar, you were payed to play a pawn in a game that is as old as the great Amarrian Empire itself. You've obviously no real understanding of Amarrian politics. Let me explain it to you in terms that your thick and inferior brain might comprehend. Where many governments have massive fraud, graft, corruption, election scandals, and fools screaming at one another in parliament, we Amarr have a little bit of healthy subterfuge. No great "civil war" will ever come of this. Someday soon a new Sarum heir will be chosen. If your rebel republic survives the event, we can discuss at length the merits of different forms of government in the EVE universe. -------------- --
Ezar Vorbarra	Posted - 2004.07.09 22:14:00 - [68] Originally by: Makkar However, if you want it in simplistic terms, I was paid by amarrians to kill amarrians, and in so doing blow a raspberry at the emperor. Does that sit better with your idea of the minmatar grasp of politics? Makkar, you were payed to play a pawn in a game that is as old as the great Amarrian Empire itself. You've obviously no real understanding of Amarrian politics. Let me explain it to you in terms that your thick and inferior brain might comprehend. Where many governments have massive fraud, graft, corruption, election scandals, and fools screaming at one another in parliament, we Amarr have a little bit of healthy subterfuge. No great "civil war" will ever come of this. Someday soon a new Sarum heir will be chosen. If your rebel republic survives the event, we can discuss at length the merits of different forms of government in the EVE universe. -------------- --
Makkar	Posted - 2004.07.09 22:53:00 - [69] Have it your way, Vorbarra. In truth, I actually think you're right - The Amarr empire will come up smelling of roses once more, and no real harm will be done to it. However, I'm pleased that I've managed to irritate, if nothing else. Still... No-one said bringing down the Amarr empire and achieving total emancipation was going to be easy. The odds (and the gods, it seems) are heavily stacked against us in this fight, but I'm determined to keep on fighting, as are my freedom fighting brethren. I hope the Sarum heir is announced, too, rather ironically. If the Sarum heir calls for the reclaiming, that, as I understand it, would be acting against the very emperor who's will you're sworn to uphold. I'm going to enjoy fighting rebels alongside you, Ezar.
Makkar	Posted - 2004.07.09 22:53:00 - [70] Have it your way, Vorbarra. In truth, I actually think you're right - The Amarr empire will come up smelling of roses once more, and no real harm will be done to it. However, I'm pleased that I've managed to irritate, if nothing else. Still... No-one said bringing down the Amarr empire and achieving total emancipation was going to be easy. The odds (and the gods, it seems) are heavily stacked against us in this fight, but I'm determined to keep on fighting, as are my freedom fighting brethren. I hope the Sarum heir is announced, too, rather ironically. If the Sarum heir calls for the reclaiming, that, as I understand it, would be acting against the very emperor who's will you're sworn to uphold. I'm going to enjoy fighting rebels alongside you, Ezar.
Ezar Vorbarra	Posted - 2004.07.10 05:06:00 - [71] Originally by: Makkar Have it your way, Vorbarra. In truth, I actually think you're right - The Amarr empire will come up smelling of roses once more, and no real harm will be done to it. However, I'm pleased that I've managed to irritate, if nothing else. Unfortunately you've achieved nothing more than assisting a relatively new Heir posture herself politically. Originally by: Makkar Still... No-one said bringing down the Amarr empire and achieving total emancipation was going to be easy. The odds (and the gods, it seems) are heavily stacked against us in this fight, but I'm determined to keep on fighting, as are my freedom fighting brethren. The odds and God (that's one almighty God for you heathens) are indeed stacked against you. You should cease this pointless endeavour and join your enlightened bretheren in the San Matar region. Originally by: Makkar I hope the Sarum heir is announced, too, rather ironically. If the Sarum heir calls for the reclaiming, that, as I understand it, would be acting against the very emperor who's will you're sworn to uphold. I strongly doubt that the Emperor will interfere with the Sarum family having a bit of fun at the expense of your people. If he does, it would be very unfortunate indeed since the Sarum family controls the lion's share of the Imperial military. I strongly doubt the Theological Council would allow such a thing to happen. Originally by: Makkar I'm going to enjoy fighting rebels alongside you, Ezar. Oddly enough I wouldn't mind fighting alongside Oracle, but I always imagined us fighting pirates together. Pirates are the only creatures I detest more than upstart terrorists. More likely however, we will both end up fighting Midular when she decides to put a swift end to your friends in the PRM. We have no love lost for either your rebel republic or the PRM, but given a choice of targets... Either way Makkar, you must admit that the fate of our Empires has been inexoribly intertwined ever since the first Amarrian labour transport landed on your home world to educate your people. -------------- --
Ezar Vorbarra	Posted - 2004.07.10 05:06:00 - [72] Originally by: Makkar Have it your way, Vorbarra. In truth, I actually think you're right - The Amarr empire will come up smelling of roses once more, and no real harm will be done to it. However, I'm pleased that I've managed to irritate, if nothing else. Unfortunately you've achieved nothing more than assisting a relatively new Heir posture herself politically. Originally by: Makkar Still... No-one said bringing down the Amarr empire and achieving total emancipation was going to be easy. The odds (and the gods, it seems) are heavily stacked against us in this fight, but I'm determined to keep on fighting, as are my freedom fighting brethren. The odds and God (that's one almighty God for you heathens) are indeed stacked against you. You should cease this pointless endeavour and join your enlightened bretheren in the San Matar region. Originally by: Makkar I hope the Sarum heir is announced, too, rather ironically. If the Sarum heir calls for the reclaiming, that, as I understand it, would be acting against the very emperor who's will you're sworn to uphold. I strongly doubt that the Emperor will interfere with the Sarum family having a bit of fun at the expense of your people. If he does, it would be very unfortunate indeed since the Sarum family controls the lion's share of the Imperial military. I strongly doubt the Theological Council would allow such a thing to happen. Originally by: Makkar I'm going to enjoy fighting rebels alongside you, Ezar. Oddly enough I wouldn't mind fighting alongside Oracle, but I always imagined us fighting pirates together. Pirates are the only creatures I detest more than upstart terrorists. More likely however, we will both end up fighting Midular when she decides to put a swift end to your friends in the PRM. We have no love lost for either your rebel republic or the PRM, but given a choice of targets... Either way Makkar, you must admit that the fate of our Empires has been inexoribly intertwined ever since the first Amarrian labour transport landed on your home world to educate your people. -------------- --
Gaius Kador	Posted - 2004.07.11 16:17:00 - [73] Originally by: Kal Cyann BURN IT DOWN... You tried, you failed, now shut your maw and accept your disgrace. The Emperors will was done, as it shall always be. ----------------------------------------------
Gaius Kador	Posted - 2004.07.11 16:17:00 - [74] Originally by: Kal Cyann BURN IT DOWN... You tried, you failed, now shut your maw and accept your disgrace. The Emperors will was done, as it shall always be. ----------------------------------------------

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