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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:25:00 -
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 Originally by: jamesw
Are you saing the Thorax needs a grid boost????
Maller and omen do though, I have no clue about thorax since I dont use one.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:25:00 -
[32]
Originally by: jamesw
Are you saing the Thorax needs a grid boost????
Maller and omen do though, I have no clue about thorax since I dont use one.
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Idara
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:34:00 -
[33]
It'd make sense...they boosted the PG on the Megathron...
Idara
Section Leader - Security & Warfare
Member of Metatron Incorporated |
Idara
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:34:00 -
[34]
It'd make sense...they boosted the PG on the Megathron...
Idara
Section Leader - Security & Warfare
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Galen Brustar
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:45:00 -
[35]
As a dedicated thorax pilot, I would say the setups which go all out on 250mm rails and use all their lows on RCUs won't do to well in PVP as the rax'es cap won't hold out during any sustained engagement. I usually do 3 250s and 2 150s so I can hit a mix of targets at long and short range. This also leaves me with a lot of PG left over for shield hardeners, afterburners, or whatever and I usually stuff my low slots full of PDUs and tracking and/or damage mods to help my cap charge and damage output out. Alternately, try 4 250 rails and a smaller gun and you can fit PDUs instead of RCUs mainly and get the cap charge bonus as well as a small amount of extra shield and capacitor.
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Galen Brustar
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:45:00 -
[36]
As a dedicated thorax pilot, I would say the setups which go all out on 250mm rails and use all their lows on RCUs won't do to well in PVP as the rax'es cap won't hold out during any sustained engagement. I usually do 3 250s and 2 150s so I can hit a mix of targets at long and short range. This also leaves me with a lot of PG left over for shield hardeners, afterburners, or whatever and I usually stuff my low slots full of PDUs and tracking and/or damage mods to help my cap charge and damage output out. Alternately, try 4 250 rails and a smaller gun and you can fit PDUs instead of RCUs mainly and get the cap charge bonus as well as a small amount of extra shield and capacitor.
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Cartiff
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:47:00 -
[37]
Blaster raxx with heavy drones will own any other cruiser in the game, and yes, i include caracels in that (before and after the missile changes)
Its a proven fact.
Cartiff, CEO
Euphoria Released
NBSI 4TW
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Cartiff
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:47:00 -
[38]
Blaster raxx with heavy drones will own any other cruiser in the game, and yes, i include caracels in that (before and after the missile changes)
Its a proven fact.
Cartiff, CEO
Euphoria Released
NBSI 4TW
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Svodairs
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:58:00 -
[39]
Edited by: Svodairs on 08/07/2004 02:00:18
It's not a proven fact.
Now, i'm taking my toys and going home !
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Svodairs
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:58:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Svodairs on 08/07/2004 02:00:18
It's not a proven fact.
Now, i'm taking my toys and going home !
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jamesw
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Posted - 2004.07.08 03:50:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Idara
It'd make sense...they boosted the PG on the Megathron...
Mega PG got boosted in line with large armour repairers higher requirement.
afaik medium repairers did not get changed, and so medium armour tanks need not have a grid boost.
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jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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jamesw
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Posted - 2004.07.08 03:50:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Idara
It'd make sense...they boosted the PG on the Megathron...
Mega PG got boosted in line with large armour repairers higher requirement.
afaik medium repairers did not get changed, and so medium armour tanks need not have a grid boost.
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jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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Zylatis
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Posted - 2004.07.08 12:17:00 -
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the thorax is by far the best multipurpose cruiser in terms of mining and fighting (which is pretty much everything) but the caracal (which someone metioned before) is the best for missile deployment and personally i think the moa isnt far behind the thorax, as its shield tanking capabilities are pretty good, not to mention its sturdy PG/CPU and slot loadout
you can tell i fly a moa :P
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Zylatis
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Posted - 2004.07.08 12:17:00 -
[44]
the thorax is by far the best multipurpose cruiser in terms of mining and fighting (which is pretty much everything) but the caracal (which someone metioned before) is the best for missile deployment and personally i think the moa isnt far behind the thorax, as its shield tanking capabilities are pretty good, not to mention its sturdy PG/CPU and slot loadout
you can tell i fly a moa :P
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Stella Centauri
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Posted - 2004.07.08 12:36:00 -
[45]
I havent flewn it for a while, but I know that I used to go better with a rupture than the thorax. Had a couple of friendly fights thorax vs rupture with almost the same skills, and rupture wins (used to at least) most times.
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Stella Centauri
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Posted - 2004.07.08 12:36:00 -
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I havent flewn it for a while, but I know that I used to go better with a rupture than the thorax. Had a couple of friendly fights thorax vs rupture with almost the same skills, and rupture wins (used to at least) most times.
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Arud
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Posted - 2004.07.08 13:35:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Stella Centauri
I havent flewn it for a while, but I know that I used to go better with a rupture than the thorax. Had a couple of friendly fights thorax vs rupture with almost the same skills, and rupture wins (used to at least) most times.
I saw a rupture vs a thorax battle in amarr once
the thorax warped in, mwded to the rupture, rupture got webbed, rupture got screwed
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Arud
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Posted - 2004.07.08 13:35:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Stella Centauri
I havent flewn it for a while, but I know that I used to go better with a rupture than the thorax. Had a couple of friendly fights thorax vs rupture with almost the same skills, and rupture wins (used to at least) most times.
I saw a rupture vs a thorax battle in amarr once
the thorax warped in, mwded to the rupture, rupture got webbed, rupture got screwed
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Mimo
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Posted - 2004.07.08 14:10:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Arud
Originally by: Stella Centauri
I saw a rupture vs a thorax battle in amarr once
the thorax warped in, mwded to the rupture, rupture got webbed, rupture got screwed
Yeah i can say too, i warped to a Thorax mining in a belt, webbed him and wtfpwned him in my Reaper 
I say it's not balanced, when a Reaper can own a Thorax anytime!
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Mimo
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Posted - 2004.07.08 14:10:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Arud
Originally by: Stella Centauri
I saw a rupture vs a thorax battle in amarr once
the thorax warped in, mwded to the rupture, rupture got webbed, rupture got screwed
Yeah i can say too, i warped to a Thorax mining in a belt, webbed him and wtfpwned him in my Reaper
I say it's not balanced, when a Reaper can own a Thorax anytime!
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2004.07.08 14:19:00 -
[51]
I use my Thorax for everything in .5 and up....if/when I goto .4 (pirate hunting) I use my BlackBird... 3 Heavy Missile Launchers tend to smash up Pirates faster...might cost a little more in missiles...but, the BlackBird seems to give you the option of taking out Rats at a distance...
Thorax is the most versatile Cruiser...I agree with eveyone else...The 2000M3 in Drone Space is its killing point...especialy if you have a high drone skill set...Currently I run 7 HammerHeads (since they are free) and they tend to mop every thing for me from .5 and greater.... in .4 I tend to loose a few to Cruiser Rats..
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2004.07.08 14:19:00 -
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I use my Thorax for everything in .5 and up....if/when I goto .4 (pirate hunting) I use my BlackBird... 3 Heavy Missile Launchers tend to smash up Pirates faster...might cost a little more in missiles...but, the BlackBird seems to give you the option of taking out Rats at a distance...
Thorax is the most versatile Cruiser...I agree with eveyone else...The 2000M3 in Drone Space is its killing point...especialy if you have a high drone skill set...Currently I run 7 HammerHeads (since they are free) and they tend to mop every thing for me from .5 and greater.... in .4 I tend to loose a few to Cruiser Rats..
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Mimo
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Posted - 2004.07.08 14:20:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Mimo on 08/07/2004 14:28:48
So it's all coming down to the skills of the pilot and the fitting of the 2 ships.
What if the Rupture had a MWD too? He's faster to my knowledge...
Easy for him to keep distance and feed the Rax with missiles from distance.
Rupture might not win, but if the pilot is capable, the Thorax will have to give up.
If the chase has taken long enough, and both are theoretically out of cap, the rupture can still do damage from 30km without using energy (projectile guns and missile launchers), while rax is in need to get within drone command range first and has to use enrgy for his turrets.
And with both ships MMD'ing, the only ship that is able to hit is the Rupture with it's missiles. If the Rupture pilot is knowing what he's doing, i am honestly thinking, he can avoid that the Thorax can use Drones on him 
Which reminds me of an old question i have...Do dampers actually reduce only turret targeting range, or is drone-command range effected aswell? Anyone knows?
I also pawned a Rifter in my Griffin, simply due to the fact he never was able to get within his targeting range (10km :D) 
But tell me which frigate is seen as better? No one can answer. Again. First it's the ships' setup, 2nd is pilot and skills, and then as last factor the ship in my oppinion.
So get your skills up, go hunting some nice loot to kit your ship and have fun
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Mimo
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Posted - 2004.07.08 14:20:00 -
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Edited by: Mimo on 08/07/2004 14:28:48
So it's all coming down to the skills of the pilot and the fitting of the 2 ships.
What if the Rupture had a MWD too? He's faster to my knowledge...
Easy for him to keep distance and feed the Rax with missiles from distance.
Rupture might not win, but if the pilot is capable, the Thorax will have to give up.
If the chase has taken long enough, and both are theoretically out of cap, the rupture can still do damage from 30km without using energy (projectile guns and missile launchers), while rax is in need to get within drone command range first and has to use enrgy for his turrets.
And with both ships MMD'ing, the only ship that is able to hit is the Rupture with it's missiles. If the Rupture pilot is knowing what he's doing, i am honestly thinking, he can avoid that the Thorax can use Drones on him
Which reminds me of an old question i have...Do dampers actually reduce only turret targeting range, or is drone-command range effected aswell? Anyone knows?
I also pawned a Rifter in my Griffin, simply due to the fact he never was able to get within his targeting range (10km :D)
But tell me which frigate is seen as better? No one can answer. Again. First it's the ships' setup, 2nd is pilot and skills, and then as last factor the ship in my oppinion.
So get your skills up, go hunting some nice loot to kit your ship and have fun
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Arud
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Posted - 2004.07.09 15:17:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Mimo
Originally by: Arud
Originally by: Stella Centauri
I saw a rupture vs a thorax battle in amarr once
the thorax warped in, mwded to the rupture, rupture got webbed, rupture got screwed
Yeah i can say too, i warped to a Thorax mining in a belt, webbed him and wtfpwned him in my Reaper
I say it's not balanced, when a Reaper can own a Thorax anytime!
for the record, the two corps were at war and just 5 minutes before the rupture had taken out a BB
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Arud
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Posted - 2004.07.09 15:17:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Mimo
Originally by: Arud
Originally by: Stella Centauri
I saw a rupture vs a thorax battle in amarr once
the thorax warped in, mwded to the rupture, rupture got webbed, rupture got screwed
Yeah i can say too, i warped to a Thorax mining in a belt, webbed him and wtfpwned him in my Reaper
I say it's not balanced, when a Reaper can own a Thorax anytime!
for the record, the two corps were at war and just 5 minutes before the rupture had taken out a BB
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Fighterpilotjp
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Posted - 2004.07.09 15:35:00 -
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I've recently been flying the Arbitrator Amarr Cruiser, and I have to say it has been surprising. It's weaker compared to the Thorax, and though it has a fairly large drone bay that doesn't match the T-Rax's, it has a missile slot that can turn the tables ever-so-slightly. A properly fitted Arbitrator, while not able to outpower it, can definitely defend itself from a Thorax attack. If you manage to jam the guns or lower their tracking while using a smartbomb on the drones, and launching your own out of your smartbomb's range, you might just be able to survive the attack. Add a heavy missile launcher on top of it all, and perhaps some armor tanking, fending it off is possible.
combat Your Tachyon Beam Laser I hits Blood Arch Templar, doing 133.7 damage. |
Fighterpilotjp
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Posted - 2004.07.09 15:35:00 -
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I've recently been flying the Arbitrator Amarr Cruiser, and I have to say it has been surprising. It's weaker compared to the Thorax, and though it has a fairly large drone bay that doesn't match the T-Rax's, it has a missile slot that can turn the tables ever-so-slightly. A properly fitted Arbitrator, while not able to outpower it, can definitely defend itself from a Thorax attack. If you manage to jam the guns or lower their tracking while using a smartbomb on the drones, and launching your own out of your smartbomb's range, you might just be able to survive the attack. Add a heavy missile launcher on top of it all, and perhaps some armor tanking, fending it off is possible.
combat Your Tachyon Beam Laser I hits Blood Arch Templar, doing 133.7 damage. |
Meridius
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Posted - 2004.07.09 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Cartiff
Blaster raxx with heavy drones will own any other cruiser in the game, and yes, i include caracels in that (before and after the missile changes)
Its a proven fact.
Pre-patch? Not a chance unless the fight started at 10-15km.
5 cruise can deliver 1800 dmg in one volley.Torps would do 2250. Enough to wtfpwn any thorax in 2 volleys, 3 at the most.
Oh and its caracal not caracel 
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.07.09 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Cartiff
Blaster raxx with heavy drones will own any other cruiser in the game, and yes, i include caracels in that (before and after the missile changes)
Its a proven fact.
Pre-patch? Not a chance unless the fight started at 10-15km.
5 cruise can deliver 1800 dmg in one volley.Torps would do 2250. Enough to wtfpwn any thorax in 2 volleys, 3 at the most.
Oh and its caracal not caracel
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