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Necrologic
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Posted - 2004.07.07 21:17:00 -
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are there any amarr cruisers that can match up to the thorax in firepower etc? i'm thinking it would hafta be maller or omen...can i get some opinons from amarr cruiser pilots?
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2004.07.07 21:17:00 -
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are there any amarr cruisers that can match up to the thorax in firepower etc? i'm thinking it would hafta be maller or omen...can i get some opinons from amarr cruiser pilots?
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Morrigan Illithan
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Posted - 2004.07.07 21:29:00 -
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Uhm this is personal, but no I don't think any Amarr cruiser can hold up to the thorax. if you used 5 250mm rails and heavy drones it would shred a Maller. I don't think the 5 lasers would be enough to combat.
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Morrigan Illithan
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Posted - 2004.07.07 21:29:00 -
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Uhm this is personal, but no I don't think any Amarr cruiser can hold up to the thorax. if you used 5 250mm rails and heavy drones it would shred a Maller. I don't think the 5 lasers would be enough to combat.
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Perry
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Posted - 2004.07.07 21:29:00 -
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To beat a Thorax you have to stay outside of the Drone-Control-Radius, eg 20km. The 250mm railguns do hurt but the defences are very weak if 4-5 250ers are fitted. Also an afterburner 10/100mn does help because the tracking of the 250ers is too low to keep up with you.
A good start would be to fit a 10mn AB and 5 Focused Medium Beams with a med-long range crystal. Armor-tank the low slots with platings and a med repairer. Remember you are dead if the Thorax has a mwd fittet.
So yes, Drones are overpowered, yes you have no chance, yes Thorax Dronespace should be nerfed, yes im whining, yes shut up. 
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Perry
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Posted - 2004.07.07 21:29:00 -
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To beat a Thorax you have to stay outside of the Drone-Control-Radius, eg 20km. The 250mm railguns do hurt but the defences are very weak if 4-5 250ers are fitted. Also an afterburner 10/100mn does help because the tracking of the 250ers is too low to keep up with you.
A good start would be to fit a 10mn AB and 5 Focused Medium Beams with a med-long range crystal. Armor-tank the low slots with platings and a med repairer. Remember you are dead if the Thorax has a mwd fittet.
So yes, Drones are overpowered, yes you have no chance, yes Thorax Dronespace should be nerfed, yes im whining, yes shut up.
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Centauri
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Posted - 2004.07.07 22:00:00 -
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As an Amarr pilot (yes, yes, I know - I'm Minmatar) I can safely say that the Maller simply cannot compare to the Thorax. A well equipped Maller can use four heavy beams quite effectively, while tanking reasonably proficiently, but it still can't compete. Neither can any of the other races I believe.
It's not so much that most of the cruiser are poor - it's more a case of the Thorax simply being too good, and too adaptable. I fly a Thorax myself when and if the need for a cruiser arises. It just has too much going for it...
Centauri,
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Centauri
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Posted - 2004.07.07 22:00:00 -
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As an Amarr pilot (yes, yes, I know - I'm Minmatar) I can safely say that the Maller simply cannot compare to the Thorax. A well equipped Maller can use four heavy beams quite effectively, while tanking reasonably proficiently, but it still can't compete. Neither can any of the other races I believe.
It's not so much that most of the cruiser are poor - it's more a case of the Thorax simply being too good, and too adaptable. I fly a Thorax myself when and if the need for a cruiser arises. It just has too much going for it...
Centauri,
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2004.07.07 22:03:00 -
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ok, i'm gonna fly thorax then. thanks ppl
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2004.07.07 22:03:00 -
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ok, i'm gonna fly thorax then. thanks ppl
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Hardin
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Posted - 2004.07.07 22:16:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 07/07/2004 22:17:14
One of our pilots Jim Hawkins flying a Maller recently defeated a terrorist Minmatar in a Thorax.
Have toa dmit though that the Minmatar made a tactical mistake and warped in at long range - allowing Jim to serverly cripple the Thorax before its drones could be effective.
So it can be done - but only if luck is on your side...
Ar armour tanked Arbitrator however with some 1600 plate and a full bay of drones however could be an interesting battle
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Hardin
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Posted - 2004.07.07 22:16:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 07/07/2004 22:17:14
One of our pilots Jim Hawkins flying a Maller recently defeated a terrorist Minmatar in a Thorax.
Have toa dmit though that the Minmatar made a tactical mistake and warped in at long range - allowing Jim to serverly cripple the Thorax before its drones could be effective.
So it can be done - but only if luck is on your side...
Ar armour tanked Arbitrator however with some 1600 plate and a full bay of drones however could be an interesting battle
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2004.07.07 23:08:00 -
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thorax = cruiser pwnage machine in the right hands
it's currently the best cruiser ingame, hands down
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2004.07.07 23:08:00 -
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thorax = cruiser pwnage machine in the right hands
it's currently the best cruiser ingame, hands down
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.07.08 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
thorax = cruiser pwnage machine in the right hands
it's currently the best cruiser ingame, hands down
I think the caracal is better.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.07.08 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
thorax = cruiser pwnage machine in the right hands
it's currently the best cruiser ingame, hands down
I think the caracal is better.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2004.07.08 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Cruz
Originally by: Grimpak
thorax = cruiser pwnage machine in the right hands
it's currently the best cruiser ingame, hands down
I think the caracal is better.
...for specific jobs yes.. but the rax is an all-round cruiser wich lacks only missile slots, on the rest I belive that the thorax as a good performance.
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Posted - 2004.07.08 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Cruz
Originally by: Grimpak
thorax = cruiser pwnage machine in the right hands
it's currently the best cruiser ingame, hands down
I think the caracal is better.
...for specific jobs yes.. but the rax is an all-round cruiser wich lacks only missile slots, on the rest I belive that the thorax as a good performance.
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Shakul
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Posted - 2004.07.08 00:35:00 -
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i used to use a thorax for agent missions, but i found with 5x 250mm with iridium, shooting from 30k, i had a lot of difficult taking out the 90-110k rats, so i switched to a caracal. Was i using a bad setup? i thought short range thorax setups were only good for pvp.
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Shakul
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Posted - 2004.07.08 00:35:00 -
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i used to use a thorax for agent missions, but i found with 5x 250mm with iridium, shooting from 30k, i had a lot of difficult taking out the 90-110k rats, so i switched to a caracal. Was i using a bad setup? i thought short range thorax setups were only good for pvp.
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Svodairs
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Posted - 2004.07.08 00:49:00 -
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I use the thorax effectively at short range fighting npc's.
You other people who are whining, and want the thorax nerfed are pathetic, learn how to equip your ship yeesh.
You can beat a thorax easily if you actually study how the ship operates, and compensate for it. Screwing up the game is not an option.
Do your homework, and you'll find out that there are other cruisers that have more potential.
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Svodairs
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Posted - 2004.07.08 00:49:00 -
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I use the thorax effectively at short range fighting npc's.
You other people who are whining, and want the thorax nerfed are pathetic, learn how to equip your ship yeesh.
You can beat a thorax easily if you actually study how the ship operates, and compensate for it. Screwing up the game is not an option.
Do your homework, and you'll find out that there are other cruisers that have more potential.
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Idara
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Posted - 2004.07.08 00:51:00 -
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I use a Thorax pretty well. 5x 250mm's, 1 Med shield booster, 2x Cap Recharges, 4x RCU's, and a Mag field stab.
Does around 60-80 damage at 30km with Thorium ammo.
Idara
Section Leader - Security & Warfare
Member of Metatron Incorporated |
Idara
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Posted - 2004.07.08 00:51:00 -
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I use a Thorax pretty well. 5x 250mm's, 1 Med shield booster, 2x Cap Recharges, 4x RCU's, and a Mag field stab.
Does around 60-80 damage at 30km with Thorium ammo.
Idara
Section Leader - Security & Warfare
Member of Metatron Incorporated |
Cruz
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Posted - 2004.07.08 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Svodairs
I use the thorax effectively at short range fighting npc's.
You other people who are whining, and want the thorax nerfed are pathetic, learn how to equip your ship yeesh.
You can beat a thorax easily if you actually study how the ship operates, and compensate for it. Screwing up the game is not an option.
Do your homework, and you'll find out that there are other cruisers that have more potential.
Who says we want a thorax nerfed, actually what I want is a larger PG for Amarr ships.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.07.08 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Svodairs
I use the thorax effectively at short range fighting npc's.
You other people who are whining, and want the thorax nerfed are pathetic, learn how to equip your ship yeesh.
You can beat a thorax easily if you actually study how the ship operates, and compensate for it. Screwing up the game is not an option.
Do your homework, and you'll find out that there are other cruisers that have more potential.
Who says we want a thorax nerfed, actually what I want is a larger PG for Amarr ships.
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Idara
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Posted - 2004.07.08 00:54:00 -
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A PG boost is needed for all turret bound cruisers. Just as it happened with the Turret bound Battleships.
Idara
Section Leader - Security & Warfare
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Idara
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Posted - 2004.07.08 00:54:00 -
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A PG boost is needed for all turret bound cruisers. Just as it happened with the Turret bound Battleships.
Idara
Section Leader - Security & Warfare
Member of Metatron Incorporated |
jamesw
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:24:00 -
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Are you saing the Thorax needs a grid boost????
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Rubra Libertas Militia
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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jamesw
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:24:00 -
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Are you saing the Thorax needs a grid boost????
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jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: jamesw
Are you saing the Thorax needs a grid boost????
Maller and omen do though, I have no clue about thorax since I dont use one.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: jamesw
Are you saing the Thorax needs a grid boost????
Maller and omen do though, I have no clue about thorax since I dont use one.
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Idara
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:34:00 -
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It'd make sense...they boosted the PG on the Megathron...
Idara
Section Leader - Security & Warfare
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Idara
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:34:00 -
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It'd make sense...they boosted the PG on the Megathron...
Idara
Section Leader - Security & Warfare
Member of Metatron Incorporated |
Galen Brustar
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:45:00 -
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As a dedicated thorax pilot, I would say the setups which go all out on 250mm rails and use all their lows on RCUs won't do to well in PVP as the rax'es cap won't hold out during any sustained engagement. I usually do 3 250s and 2 150s so I can hit a mix of targets at long and short range. This also leaves me with a lot of PG left over for shield hardeners, afterburners, or whatever and I usually stuff my low slots full of PDUs and tracking and/or damage mods to help my cap charge and damage output out. Alternately, try 4 250 rails and a smaller gun and you can fit PDUs instead of RCUs mainly and get the cap charge bonus as well as a small amount of extra shield and capacitor.
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Galen Brustar
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:45:00 -
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As a dedicated thorax pilot, I would say the setups which go all out on 250mm rails and use all their lows on RCUs won't do to well in PVP as the rax'es cap won't hold out during any sustained engagement. I usually do 3 250s and 2 150s so I can hit a mix of targets at long and short range. This also leaves me with a lot of PG left over for shield hardeners, afterburners, or whatever and I usually stuff my low slots full of PDUs and tracking and/or damage mods to help my cap charge and damage output out. Alternately, try 4 250 rails and a smaller gun and you can fit PDUs instead of RCUs mainly and get the cap charge bonus as well as a small amount of extra shield and capacitor.
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Cartiff
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:47:00 -
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Blaster raxx with heavy drones will own any other cruiser in the game, and yes, i include caracels in that (before and after the missile changes)
Its a proven fact.
Cartiff, CEO
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Cartiff
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:47:00 -
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Blaster raxx with heavy drones will own any other cruiser in the game, and yes, i include caracels in that (before and after the missile changes)
Its a proven fact.
Cartiff, CEO
Euphoria Released
NBSI 4TW
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Svodairs
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:58:00 -
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Edited by: Svodairs on 08/07/2004 02:00:18
It's not a proven fact.
Now, i'm taking my toys and going home !
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Svodairs
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Posted - 2004.07.08 01:58:00 -
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Edited by: Svodairs on 08/07/2004 02:00:18
It's not a proven fact.
Now, i'm taking my toys and going home !
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jamesw
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Posted - 2004.07.08 03:50:00 -
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Originally by: Idara
It'd make sense...they boosted the PG on the Megathron...
Mega PG got boosted in line with large armour repairers higher requirement.
afaik medium repairers did not get changed, and so medium armour tanks need not have a grid boost.
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jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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jamesw
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Posted - 2004.07.08 03:50:00 -
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Originally by: Idara
It'd make sense...they boosted the PG on the Megathron...
Mega PG got boosted in line with large armour repairers higher requirement.
afaik medium repairers did not get changed, and so medium armour tanks need not have a grid boost.
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jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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Zylatis
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Posted - 2004.07.08 12:17:00 -
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the thorax is by far the best multipurpose cruiser in terms of mining and fighting (which is pretty much everything) but the caracal (which someone metioned before) is the best for missile deployment and personally i think the moa isnt far behind the thorax, as its shield tanking capabilities are pretty good, not to mention its sturdy PG/CPU and slot loadout
you can tell i fly a moa :P
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Zylatis
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Posted - 2004.07.08 12:17:00 -
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the thorax is by far the best multipurpose cruiser in terms of mining and fighting (which is pretty much everything) but the caracal (which someone metioned before) is the best for missile deployment and personally i think the moa isnt far behind the thorax, as its shield tanking capabilities are pretty good, not to mention its sturdy PG/CPU and slot loadout
you can tell i fly a moa :P
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Stella Centauri
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Posted - 2004.07.08 12:36:00 -
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I havent flewn it for a while, but I know that I used to go better with a rupture than the thorax. Had a couple of friendly fights thorax vs rupture with almost the same skills, and rupture wins (used to at least) most times.
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Posted - 2004.07.08 12:36:00 -
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I havent flewn it for a while, but I know that I used to go better with a rupture than the thorax. Had a couple of friendly fights thorax vs rupture with almost the same skills, and rupture wins (used to at least) most times.
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Arud
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Posted - 2004.07.08 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Stella Centauri
I havent flewn it for a while, but I know that I used to go better with a rupture than the thorax. Had a couple of friendly fights thorax vs rupture with almost the same skills, and rupture wins (used to at least) most times.
I saw a rupture vs a thorax battle in amarr once
the thorax warped in, mwded to the rupture, rupture got webbed, rupture got screwed
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Arud
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Posted - 2004.07.08 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Stella Centauri
I havent flewn it for a while, but I know that I used to go better with a rupture than the thorax. Had a couple of friendly fights thorax vs rupture with almost the same skills, and rupture wins (used to at least) most times.
I saw a rupture vs a thorax battle in amarr once
the thorax warped in, mwded to the rupture, rupture got webbed, rupture got screwed
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Mimo
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Posted - 2004.07.08 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Arud
Originally by: Stella Centauri
I saw a rupture vs a thorax battle in amarr once
the thorax warped in, mwded to the rupture, rupture got webbed, rupture got screwed
Yeah i can say too, i warped to a Thorax mining in a belt, webbed him and wtfpwned him in my Reaper 
I say it's not balanced, when a Reaper can own a Thorax anytime!
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Mimo
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Posted - 2004.07.08 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Arud
Originally by: Stella Centauri
I saw a rupture vs a thorax battle in amarr once
the thorax warped in, mwded to the rupture, rupture got webbed, rupture got screwed
Yeah i can say too, i warped to a Thorax mining in a belt, webbed him and wtfpwned him in my Reaper
I say it's not balanced, when a Reaper can own a Thorax anytime!
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2004.07.08 14:19:00 -
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I use my Thorax for everything in .5 and up....if/when I goto .4 (pirate hunting) I use my BlackBird... 3 Heavy Missile Launchers tend to smash up Pirates faster...might cost a little more in missiles...but, the BlackBird seems to give you the option of taking out Rats at a distance...
Thorax is the most versatile Cruiser...I agree with eveyone else...The 2000M3 in Drone Space is its killing point...especialy if you have a high drone skill set...Currently I run 7 HammerHeads (since they are free) and they tend to mop every thing for me from .5 and greater.... in .4 I tend to loose a few to Cruiser Rats..
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2004.07.08 14:19:00 -
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I use my Thorax for everything in .5 and up....if/when I goto .4 (pirate hunting) I use my BlackBird... 3 Heavy Missile Launchers tend to smash up Pirates faster...might cost a little more in missiles...but, the BlackBird seems to give you the option of taking out Rats at a distance...
Thorax is the most versatile Cruiser...I agree with eveyone else...The 2000M3 in Drone Space is its killing point...especialy if you have a high drone skill set...Currently I run 7 HammerHeads (since they are free) and they tend to mop every thing for me from .5 and greater.... in .4 I tend to loose a few to Cruiser Rats..
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Mimo
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Posted - 2004.07.08 14:20:00 -
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Edited by: Mimo on 08/07/2004 14:28:48
So it's all coming down to the skills of the pilot and the fitting of the 2 ships.
What if the Rupture had a MWD too? He's faster to my knowledge...
Easy for him to keep distance and feed the Rax with missiles from distance.
Rupture might not win, but if the pilot is capable, the Thorax will have to give up.
If the chase has taken long enough, and both are theoretically out of cap, the rupture can still do damage from 30km without using energy (projectile guns and missile launchers), while rax is in need to get within drone command range first and has to use enrgy for his turrets.
And with both ships MMD'ing, the only ship that is able to hit is the Rupture with it's missiles. If the Rupture pilot is knowing what he's doing, i am honestly thinking, he can avoid that the Thorax can use Drones on him 
Which reminds me of an old question i have...Do dampers actually reduce only turret targeting range, or is drone-command range effected aswell? Anyone knows?
I also pawned a Rifter in my Griffin, simply due to the fact he never was able to get within his targeting range (10km :D) 
But tell me which frigate is seen as better? No one can answer. Again. First it's the ships' setup, 2nd is pilot and skills, and then as last factor the ship in my oppinion.
So get your skills up, go hunting some nice loot to kit your ship and have fun
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Mimo
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Posted - 2004.07.08 14:20:00 -
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Edited by: Mimo on 08/07/2004 14:28:48
So it's all coming down to the skills of the pilot and the fitting of the 2 ships.
What if the Rupture had a MWD too? He's faster to my knowledge...
Easy for him to keep distance and feed the Rax with missiles from distance.
Rupture might not win, but if the pilot is capable, the Thorax will have to give up.
If the chase has taken long enough, and both are theoretically out of cap, the rupture can still do damage from 30km without using energy (projectile guns and missile launchers), while rax is in need to get within drone command range first and has to use enrgy for his turrets.
And with both ships MMD'ing, the only ship that is able to hit is the Rupture with it's missiles. If the Rupture pilot is knowing what he's doing, i am honestly thinking, he can avoid that the Thorax can use Drones on him
Which reminds me of an old question i have...Do dampers actually reduce only turret targeting range, or is drone-command range effected aswell? Anyone knows?
I also pawned a Rifter in my Griffin, simply due to the fact he never was able to get within his targeting range (10km :D)
But tell me which frigate is seen as better? No one can answer. Again. First it's the ships' setup, 2nd is pilot and skills, and then as last factor the ship in my oppinion.
So get your skills up, go hunting some nice loot to kit your ship and have fun
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Arud
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Posted - 2004.07.09 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mimo
Originally by: Arud
Originally by: Stella Centauri
I saw a rupture vs a thorax battle in amarr once
the thorax warped in, mwded to the rupture, rupture got webbed, rupture got screwed
Yeah i can say too, i warped to a Thorax mining in a belt, webbed him and wtfpwned him in my Reaper
I say it's not balanced, when a Reaper can own a Thorax anytime!
for the record, the two corps were at war and just 5 minutes before the rupture had taken out a BB
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Arud
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Posted - 2004.07.09 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mimo
Originally by: Arud
Originally by: Stella Centauri
I saw a rupture vs a thorax battle in amarr once
the thorax warped in, mwded to the rupture, rupture got webbed, rupture got screwed
Yeah i can say too, i warped to a Thorax mining in a belt, webbed him and wtfpwned him in my Reaper
I say it's not balanced, when a Reaper can own a Thorax anytime!
for the record, the two corps were at war and just 5 minutes before the rupture had taken out a BB
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Fighterpilotjp
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Posted - 2004.07.09 15:35:00 -
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I've recently been flying the Arbitrator Amarr Cruiser, and I have to say it has been surprising. It's weaker compared to the Thorax, and though it has a fairly large drone bay that doesn't match the T-Rax's, it has a missile slot that can turn the tables ever-so-slightly. A properly fitted Arbitrator, while not able to outpower it, can definitely defend itself from a Thorax attack. If you manage to jam the guns or lower their tracking while using a smartbomb on the drones, and launching your own out of your smartbomb's range, you might just be able to survive the attack. Add a heavy missile launcher on top of it all, and perhaps some armor tanking, fending it off is possible.
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Fighterpilotjp
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Posted - 2004.07.09 15:35:00 -
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I've recently been flying the Arbitrator Amarr Cruiser, and I have to say it has been surprising. It's weaker compared to the Thorax, and though it has a fairly large drone bay that doesn't match the T-Rax's, it has a missile slot that can turn the tables ever-so-slightly. A properly fitted Arbitrator, while not able to outpower it, can definitely defend itself from a Thorax attack. If you manage to jam the guns or lower their tracking while using a smartbomb on the drones, and launching your own out of your smartbomb's range, you might just be able to survive the attack. Add a heavy missile launcher on top of it all, and perhaps some armor tanking, fending it off is possible.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.07.09 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Cartiff
Blaster raxx with heavy drones will own any other cruiser in the game, and yes, i include caracels in that (before and after the missile changes)
Its a proven fact.
Pre-patch? Not a chance unless the fight started at 10-15km.
5 cruise can deliver 1800 dmg in one volley.Torps would do 2250. Enough to wtfpwn any thorax in 2 volleys, 3 at the most.
Oh and its caracal not caracel 
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.07.09 15:54:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Cartiff
Blaster raxx with heavy drones will own any other cruiser in the game, and yes, i include caracels in that (before and after the missile changes)
Its a proven fact.
Pre-patch? Not a chance unless the fight started at 10-15km.
5 cruise can deliver 1800 dmg in one volley.Torps would do 2250. Enough to wtfpwn any thorax in 2 volleys, 3 at the most.
Oh and its caracal not caracel
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1FSTCAT
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Posted - 2004.07.09 17:23:00 -
[61]
what about an arbitrator
3x 400 mm plate tech 2 armour repairer
6 heavies of your own
1 heavy missile launcher 1 medium smartbomb and a ecm burst
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1FSTCAT
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Posted - 2004.07.09 17:23:00 -
[62]
what about an arbitrator
3x 400 mm plate tech 2 armour repairer
6 heavies of your own
1 heavy missile launcher 1 medium smartbomb and a ecm burst
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.07.09 17:52:00 -
[63]
Lasers do some nice damage though :-D
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.07.09 17:52:00 -
[64]
Lasers do some nice damage though :-D
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Marskalkur
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Posted - 2004.07.09 18:28:00 -
[65]
my maller owns all cruisers of other races within warp scrambling range as long as it isn't target jammed. it's all about staying power and that's where the maller shines... in the right hands.
Amarr is best and always has been and always should be.
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Marskalkur
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Posted - 2004.07.09 18:28:00 -
[66]
my maller owns all cruisers of other races within warp scrambling range as long as it isn't target jammed. it's all about staying power and that's where the maller shines... in the right hands.
Amarr is best and always has been and always should be.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.07.09 18:34:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Marskalkur
my maller owns all cruisers of other races within warp scrambling range as long as it isn't target jammed. it's all about staying power and that's where the maller shines... in the right hands.
Amarr is best and always has been and always should be.
Maller needs a slight PG boost though.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.07.09 18:34:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Marskalkur
my maller owns all cruisers of other races within warp scrambling range as long as it isn't target jammed. it's all about staying power and that's where the maller shines... in the right hands.
Amarr is best and always has been and always should be.
Maller needs a slight PG boost though.
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2004.07.09 20:18:00 -
[69]
Amarr setup:
5x 425 auto cannons (PP)
1x Med smart bomb (drone purposes)
1x MWD
1x web
1x warp scram
think you need 3 PD's and or RCU 1's but you can also fit 2x med armor reps
Its pretty good against anything except groups of 110k 's :)
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2004.07.09 20:18:00 -
[70]
Amarr setup:
5x 425 auto cannons (PP)
1x Med smart bomb (drone purposes)
1x MWD
1x web
1x warp scram
think you need 3 PD's and or RCU 1's but you can also fit 2x med armor reps
Its pretty good against anything except groups of 110k 's :)
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.09 20:22:00 -
[71]
A thorax can dish out enough pain to make a tanked up battleship go WTF is going on here, sploit sploit, cheating haxxor. It's a very nice ship.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.09 20:22:00 -
[72]
A thorax can dish out enough pain to make a tanked up battleship go WTF is going on here, sploit sploit, cheating haxxor. It's a very nice ship.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Ardra
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Posted - 2004.07.09 21:09:00 -
[73]
ONly thing that could compare to a rax IMHO would be BB (jam the get then its all fun) or a rupture but niether ar amarr lol,
Rupture: 4 720s, 2 heavies, and enuf speed to stay out of 20k, and good nite mr T-Rax
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Ardra
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Posted - 2004.07.09 21:09:00 -
[74]
ONly thing that could compare to a rax IMHO would be BB (jam the get then its all fun) or a rupture but niether ar amarr lol,
Rupture: 4 720s, 2 heavies, and enuf speed to stay out of 20k, and good nite mr T-Rax
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LJSilver
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Posted - 2004.07.10 03:05:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Centauri
As an Amarr pilot (yes, yes, I know - I'm Minmatar) I can safely say that the Maller simply cannot compare to the Thorax. A well equipped Maller can use four heavy beams quite effectively, while tanking reasonably proficiently, but it still can't compete. Neither can any of the other races I believe.
It's not so much that most of the cruiser are poor - it's more a case of the Thorax simply being too good, and too adaptable. I fly a Thorax myself when and if the need for a cruiser arises. It just has too much going for it...
Ooh! That did it!
I here the swoosh of the BAT.
http://www.liketelevision.com/web1/classictv/longjohn/longjohn210.gif |
LJSilver
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Posted - 2004.07.10 03:05:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Centauri
As an Amarr pilot (yes, yes, I know - I'm Minmatar) I can safely say that the Maller simply cannot compare to the Thorax. A well equipped Maller can use four heavy beams quite effectively, while tanking reasonably proficiently, but it still can't compete. Neither can any of the other races I believe.
It's not so much that most of the cruiser are poor - it's more a case of the Thorax simply being too good, and too adaptable. I fly a Thorax myself when and if the need for a cruiser arises. It just has too much going for it...
Ooh! That did it!
I here the swoosh of the BAT.
http://www.liketelevision.com/web1/classictv/longjohn/longjohn210.gif |
Perry
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Posted - 2004.07.10 08:42:00 -
[77]
The B... Bb... BAT??? 
Omg take cover! Well the Thorax will probably get the shaft when it comes to second Bonus for Cruisers, eg:
-Maller +25% damage,
-Thorax +25% faster blink rate of positions-lights 
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Perry
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Posted - 2004.07.10 08:42:00 -
[78]
The B... Bb... BAT???
Omg take cover! Well the Thorax will probably get the shaft when it comes to second Bonus for Cruisers, eg:
-Maller +25% damage,
-Thorax +25% faster blink rate of positions-lights
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Brather
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Posted - 2004.07.10 11:47:00 -
[79]
well so far my thorax has been the best ship i have flown ..
heck nothing can get within 30k of me that dosnt get scrambled and dies to my 8 ogres
and if you decide to be out of the 30k then you have 5 250s to deal with along with 2 tracking cpus and dmg mods
as for rats.. most wont make it to 30k
the ones that do wont get to 20k
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Brather
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Posted - 2004.07.10 11:47:00 -
[80]
well so far my thorax has been the best ship i have flown ..
heck nothing can get within 30k of me that dosnt get scrambled and dies to my 8 ogres
and if you decide to be out of the 30k then you have 5 250s to deal with along with 2 tracking cpus and dmg mods
as for rats.. most wont make it to 30k
the ones that do wont get to 20k
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Eximius
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Posted - 2004.07.10 11:53:00 -
[81]
I think the rax should be dropped to 1500 drone space. Or all the other turretbound cruisers [read: Maller] should get a 2k drone bay too.
~Eximius, Reaver Templar
When a man's soul is forfeited, he is said to die. We did not. We were remade as demons of malice for an unworldy purpose. We are empty. Damned, for one cannot look unto the abyss and remain whole. ~ActiveX, 3 days after the Ascension |
Eximius
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Posted - 2004.07.10 11:53:00 -
[82]
I think the rax should be dropped to 1500 drone space. Or all the other turretbound cruisers [read: Maller] should get a 2k drone bay too.
~Eximius, Reaver Templar
When a man's soul is forfeited, he is said to die. We did not. We were remade as demons of malice for an unworldy purpose. We are empty. Damned, for one cannot look unto the abyss and remain whole. ~ActiveX, 3 days after the Ascension |
Altai Saker
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Posted - 2004.07.10 12:04:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Eximius
I think the rax should be dropped to 1500 drone space. Or all the other turretbound cruisers [read: Maller] should get a 2k drone bay too.
Nice sarcasm.... I hope
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Altai Saker
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Posted - 2004.07.10 12:04:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Eximius
I think the rax should be dropped to 1500 drone space. Or all the other turretbound cruisers [read: Maller] should get a 2k drone bay too.
Nice sarcasm.... I hope
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Eximius
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Posted - 2004.07.10 13:04:00 -
[85]
You are right, it is a little. The Maller only needs maybe 250 m3 drone bay.
~Eximius, Reaver Templar
When a man's soul is forfeited, he is said to die. We did not. We were remade as demons of malice for an unworldy purpose. We are empty. Damned, for one cannot look unto the abyss and remain whole. ~ActiveX, 3 days after the Ascension |
Eximius
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Posted - 2004.07.10 13:04:00 -
[86]
You are right, it is a little. The Maller only needs maybe 250 m3 drone bay.
~Eximius, Reaver Templar
When a man's soul is forfeited, he is said to die. We did not. We were remade as demons of malice for an unworldy purpose. We are empty. Damned, for one cannot look unto the abyss and remain whole. ~ActiveX, 3 days after the Ascension |
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