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Fleet Warpsujarento
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:26:00 -
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Dear CCP,
I am writing in regard to the recent announcement in this thread that we will receive racial skills equivalent to our current level of the Battlecruisers skill. As someone with BC 5 already I am deeply worried that I will recieve all racial BCs at lvl 5. I therefore like to request the option not to receive the Caldari BC 5 skill.
My concern is that after getting the new skills it might appear to anyone browsing my skillsheet that at some time I have flown, expressed an interest in flying, transported, or bought a Drake. Any suggestion of an association with said battlecruiser would, I feel, be an eternal stain on my character.
Sincerely, A true citizen of New Eden |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3279
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:27:00 -
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Drakes are fine ships. Ship snobbery is hilariously stupid. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
740
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:28:00 -
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1/10
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong White-Lotus
515
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:28:00 -
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I would be nice to have the extra sp to put where we want instead of HAVING to put it into BCs, seems fair. |

Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:28:00 -
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It's like you were trying...trying so hard... but you just couldn't make it to the finish line. |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1472
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:29:00 -
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Really? They are giving you SP to cover...
You know what? **** it. There is no pleasing some people. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
459
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:30:00 -
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Fleet Warpsujarento wrote:Dear CCP, I am writing in regard to the recent announcement in this thread that we will receive racial skills equivalent to our current level of the Battlecruisers skill. As someone with BC 5 already I am deeply worried that I will recieve all racial BCs at lvl 5. I therefore like to request the option not to receive the Caldari BC 5 skill. My concern is that after getting the new skills it might appear to anyone browsing my skillsheet that at some time I have flown, expressed an interest in flying, transported, or bought a Drake. Any suggestion of an association with said battlecruiser would, I feel, be an eternal stain on my character. Sincerely, A true citizen of New Eden It depends if you have Caldari Cruiser 3 trained or not. Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |

Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Dark Matter Coalition
999
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:30:00 -
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I almost would say the same as the OP (see my sig lol) but I'm not THAT silly, besides, I still trained Caldari cruiser to fly a gas miner ferox xD
And I might fly a nightmare, or a scorp, or a rokh or something one day The Drake is a Lie |

Jandice Ymladris
Perkone Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:30:00 -
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How would that change perception? Besides the Caldari command ships (wich also need BC5) are nifty. By getting that skill, you're ready to fly it, and don't need a 20+ day training to get it.
I fail to see how it would negativly affect you, unless you care so much about the opninion of others that yo'ure willing to nerf yourself over it. Yes, by refusing Caldari BC5 you would effectivly nerf yourself as you will exclude a part of the ships you can fly now. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3279
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:33:00 -
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I mean seriously, it's been like 3 years since anyone with 2 neurons to rub together thought of the Drake as a "carebear" ship. And when/if CCP "nerf" it, it's going to be even better. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
413
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:35:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: You know what? **** it. There is no pleasing some people.
QFT |

masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
103
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:50:00 -
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Just pod yourself until Caldari BC is completely gone. Problem solved. Things are only impossible until they are not. |

InstinctE17
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:50:00 -
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what an idiot |

Zyress
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:51:00 -
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I support their right to refuse those SP's and will suffer them to be given to me to distribute safely away from their character sheet |

Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:51:00 -
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Seriously.. get over it.
The only sane thing from CCP to do is give everyone all 4 skills to the same level.. Otherwise they will need to ask each and every person who has BC trained what they want..
And it can't be tied to what Racial cruiser skills you have, because as it stands no, they aren't needed to TRAIN the BC skill. If someone trains BCV but has no cruiser skill, what do you do, give them nothing ? No..
Everyone gets all 4, if you don't like it, then cover your eyes when you look at your skillsheet.
Better to have a skill and never need/want it, than not have a skill you wanted because of some arbitrary decision by a dev or GM.. |

Kasha Belle
On your Left you will See Mars
24
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:06:00 -
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I think the OP was using humour and irony. I laughed!!! Thank you Op |

J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
301
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:08:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:I would be nice to have the extra sp to put where we want instead of HAVING to put it into BCs, seems fair.
This would be just wrong. To the whiners :-áCCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" CCP Recurve "However, Incursions are not the biggest ISK faucet, bounties are"
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Potamus Jenkins
The Lucky Bible Company
68
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:25:00 -
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so many people really attempted to give valuable insight in this poast.
theres hope for humanity yet |

Vangelios
Hedion University Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:32:00 -
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Sentinel Smith wrote:Seriously.. get over it.
And it can't be tied to what Racial cruiser skills you have, because as it stands no, they aren't needed to TRAIN the BC skill. If someone trains BCV but has no cruiser skill, what do you do, give them nothing ? No..
Everyone gets all 4, if you don't like it, then cover your eyes when you look at your skillsheet.
Better to have a skill and never need/want it, than not have a skill you wanted because of some arbitrary decision by a dev or GM..
Well you are wrong. Statement from CCP was something of "if you can fly it..." , so how smart is that? If you don't have racial cruiser on at least lvl3, you can't fly it. In other words, you won't gate racial BC for race you don't fly.
...-áEach small candle Lights a corner of the dark... |

Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
203
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:34:00 -
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Pointed out in the last thread of this nature. I have BC 5. I got it when they gave me back all my learning skills.
If they want to reimburse them again? Dunno, day trading seems to be a popular PvP in EVE. |

Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:46:00 -
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Vangelios wrote:Well you are wrong. Statement from CCP was something of "if you can fly it..." , so how smart is that? If you don't have racial cruiser on at least lvl3, you can't fly it. In other words, you won't get racial BC for race you don't fly. Statement also says " Thus, having BC skill at 5 would mean you get all four variations at 5."
CCP Ytterbium wrote:Destroyer and Battlecruiser reimbursement: it has been said before, but allow us to repeat again, that we do not want to cut ships you can already fly. Thus, having BC skill at 5 would mean you get all four variations at 5.
It does not say 'Thus having BC Skill at 5, and all 4 Racial Cruiser skills at 4 would mean you get all four variations at 5.'
That and I also asked a Dev, cause I have an alt with BCV and DestroyersV, but apart from the the original Racial Frig II, no other Frig/Cruiser skills. I was told not to worry, that I would get all 4 of both. |

Garibaldi Sinatra
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:51:00 -
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FOR F$$%$!! Sake IF ITS NOT BROKE DONT FIX IT !!!
When are we gonna see some actual content rather than skills rehashes model retextures and new login screens ? !
Stop meddling with how i fly ships i already own and make some new ships / space / missons or something new and original !
CCP have had upwards of 2K Euros out of me and i think i deserve a say in how the game moves forwards ...... |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1468
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Posted - 2012.04.06 21:29:00 -
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Garibaldi Sinatra wrote:FOR F$$%$!! Sake IF ITS NOT BROKE DONT FIX IT !!!
When are we gonna see some actual content rather than skills rehashes model retextures and new login screens ? !
Stop meddling with how i fly ships i already own and make some new ships / space / missons or something new and original !
CCP have had upwards of 2K Euros out of me and i think i deserve a say in how the game moves forwards ......
True, and the game should (and is) moving forward into new area's.
However that doesn't change the fact there has been a HUGE amount of pressure generated by the EVE player base to spend significant resources towards fixing and updating existing features.
Also remember, this change does NOT meddle with ships you already own (presumably you mean "can already fly".) When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.04.06 21:45:00 -
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I have two combat dedicated toons. I don't want any Industrial skills, yet they still start with Mining as a skill. They don't let you remove that, and people aren't going postal cause it messes up their sheet.. so find a way to cope with it :p |

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong White-Lotus
518
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Posted - 2012.04.06 23:18:00 -
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Garibaldi Sinatra wrote:FOR F$$%$!! Sake IF ITS NOT BROKE DONT FIX IT !!!
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it IS broken |

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1458
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Posted - 2012.04.06 23:18:00 -
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Fleet Warpsujarento wrote:Dear CCP, I am writing in regard to the recent announcement in this thread that we will receive racial skills equivalent to our current level of the Battlecruisers skill. As someone with BC 5 already I am deeply worried that I will recieve all racial BCs at lvl 5. I therefore like to request the option not to receive the Caldari BC 5 skill. My concern is that after getting the new skills it might appear to anyone browsing my skillsheet that at some time I have flown, expressed an interest in flying, transported, or bought a Drake. Any suggestion of an association with said battlecruiser would, I feel, be an eternal stain on my character. Sincerely, A true citizen of New Eden
Now let me get this straight:
You're Caldari and you have Battlecruiser lv 5 trained. When the skill change get's implemented, you'll have all 4 racial Battlecruiser skills given to you at lv 5 and you're requesting not to recieve the Caldari Battlecruiser skill because it may imply a relationship with the Drake ship, which is also Caldari.
And somehow that's going to blemish your character.
I'm confused.
If this was pertaining to role-playing, I could understand not wanting Gallente, Minmatar and or Amarr being added to your skill set and requesting that those skill points be placed elsewhere. But not wanting your own racial skill is really confusing.
Hmmm, is this a troll thread? |

MinefieldS
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.07.05 03:49:00 -
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Fleet Warpsujarento wrote:Dear CCP, I am writing in regard to the recent announcement in this thread that we will receive racial skills equivalent to our current level of the Battlecruisers skill. As someone with BC 5 already I am deeply worried that I will recieve all racial BCs at lvl 5. I therefore like to request the option not to receive the Caldari BC 5 skill. My concern is that after getting the new skills it might appear to anyone browsing my skillsheet that at some time I have flown, expressed an interest in flying, transported, or bought a Drake. Any suggestion of an association with said battlecruiser would, I feel, be an eternal stain on my character. Sincerely, A true citizen of New Eden
The only ship worse than a drake is a raven. |

Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
22
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Posted - 2012.07.05 04:40:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Just pod yourself until Caldari BC is completely gone. Problem solved.
Nearly spilled my morning coffee!  |

Infernal Travesty
Magnum Research Tus Network
7
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Posted - 2012.07.05 05:57:00 -
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Came expecting a rehash of old threads asking the same old questions.
Left with a smile :) |

No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
784
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Posted - 2012.07.05 06:03:00 -
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At this moment, the noble Drake has been responsible for 81,018 kills this month (5 days lol).
Now compare that to the next best killer: the Tengu with 27,916
And then ask yourself why you are disparaging such a fine internet spaceship. Source: http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20 . |

Aeryn Banks
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.07.05 07:10:00 -
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Dear CCP,
In reference to OP's post.
I regretfully wish to inform you that the OP's stand in this particular matter is absolute, and no amount of reasoning shall move OP's mind in regards to this matter.
Therefore it is with a heavy heart that I request that the SP from OP's excess skillpoints in Caldari Battlecruiser V be transferred over to me for immediate re-allocation of my choosing.
Thank you. |

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
4429
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Posted - 2012.07.05 07:44:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Now let me get this straight:
You're Caldari and you have Battlecruiser lv 5 trained. When the skill change get's implemented, you'll have all 4 racial Battlecruiser skills given to you at lv 5 and you're requesting not to recieve the Caldari Battlecruiser skill because it may imply a relationship with the Drake ship, which is also Caldari.
And somehow that's going to blemish your character.
I'm confused.
If this was pertaining to role-playing, I could understand not wanting Gallente, Minmatar and or Amarr being added to your skill set and requesting that those skill points be placed elsewhere. But not wanting your own racial skill is really confusing.
Hmmm, is this a troll thread?
Confusing for you, perhaps.
The Drake is the ship of choice for retards; OP doesn't want people to think that (s)he is capable of flying the Drake when people look at his/her skillsheet; it follows, therefore, that the OP doesn't want to be thought of as a ******. It's not that hard, is it?
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |

Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1440
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Posted - 2012.07.05 07:56:00 -
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MinefieldS wrote:Fleet Warpsujarento wrote:Dear CCP, I am writing in regard to the recent announcement in this thread that we will receive racial skills equivalent to our current level of the Battlecruisers skill. As someone with BC 5 already I am deeply worried that I will recieve all racial BCs at lvl 5. I therefore like to request the option not to receive the Caldari BC 5 skill. My concern is that after getting the new skills it might appear to anyone browsing my skillsheet that at some time I have flown, expressed an interest in flying, transported, or bought a Drake. Any suggestion of an association with said battlecruiser would, I feel, be an eternal stain on my character. Sincerely, A true citizen of New Eden The only ship worse than a drake is a raven.
Pretty decent necro, only limited by terrible OP.
7/10 You don't know.|||You REALLY don't know.|||See you drivin round town |

Mark Androcius
95
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Posted - 2012.07.05 09:25:00 -
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Sure, why not just whip out the old "i should be able to respec" argument.
Which in this case, could actually be a valid option, but implementing it is NEVER going to happen..... i think, but one can only hope.
Basically it means you can take skill levels off of something and then add the SP you got from that, to another skill ( something like twice per year or something ).
Reason this will never be implemented: It will probably kill the purpose of having more then 1 alt. It will make training for higher level skills pointless, cause people will just train a lot of low level ones, that they will later convert to SP for the hgiher level ones. If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong? |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8379
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Posted - 2012.07.05 09:27:00 -
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Mark Androcius wrote:Reason this will never be implemented: It will probably kill the purpose of having more then 1 alt. It will make training for higher level skills pointless, cause people will just train a lot of low level ones, that they will later convert to SP for the hgiher level ones. The second reason makes no sense GÇö you don't gain SP faster by training lower levels.
No, the reason it will (thankfully) never be implemented is that it will completely break a large number of game mechanics and core design philosophies. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Mark Androcius
95
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Posted - 2012.07.05 09:30:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Mark Androcius wrote:Reason this will never be implemented: It will probably kill the purpose of having more then 1 alt. It will make training for higher level skills pointless, cause people will just train a lot of low level ones, that they will later convert to SP for the hgiher level ones. The second reason makes no sense GÇö you don't gain SP faster by training lower levels. No, the reason it will (thankfully) never be implemented is that it will completely break a large number of game mechanics and core design philosophies.
Aight, you're right, my bad. If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong? |

Lexmana
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
594
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Posted - 2012.07.05 09:37:00 -
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Fleet Warpsujarento wrote:My concern is that after getting the new skills it might appear to anyone browsing my skillsheet that at some time I have flown, expressed an interest in flying, transported, or bought a Drake. You worry to much. If you couldn't fly it before the change you can't fly it after.
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Janet Patton
Brony Express
20
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Posted - 2012.07.05 10:23:00 -
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There is no need for concern, the drake is a battleship. Why do I have this sig? I don't smoke. |

Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
613
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Posted - 2012.07.05 10:28:00 -
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Fleet Warpsujarento wrote:Dear CCP, I am writing in regard to the recent announcement in this thread that we will receive racial skills equivalent to our current level of the Battlecruisers skill. As someone with BC 5 already I am deeply worried that I will recieve all racial BCs at lvl 5. I therefore like to request the option not to receive the Caldari BC 5 skill. My concern is that after getting the new skills it might appear to anyone browsing my skillsheet that at some time I have flown, expressed an interest in flying, transported, or bought a Drake. Any suggestion of an association with said battlecruiser would, I feel, be an eternal stain on my character. Sincerely, A true citizen of New Eden
Braaaaaaiiiiiinnnnsssss! Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm... |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
428
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Posted - 2012.07.05 10:32:00 -
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Train all frigs to 5, all cruisers to 5, destroyers/battlecruisers (non racial) to 5. train all T2 cruiser skills (non racial today) at least 1lvl, also destroyers at least 1 lvl(non racial), train Command ships (non racial).
Stop complaining today because you're in bad mood, in a few months you're going to post about friends of yours who did it and can still fly all the ships they used to but now you'll need at least 4x times to get the same skills blahblahblah.
Horrible stuff around here, seriously. brb |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4243
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Posted - 2012.07.05 10:32:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Mark Androcius wrote:Reason this will never be implemented: It will probably kill the purpose of having more then 1 alt. It will make training for higher level skills pointless, cause people will just train a lot of low level ones, that they will later convert to SP for the hgiher level ones. The second reason makes no sense GÇö you don't gain SP faster by training lower levels. No, the reason it will (thankfully) never be implemented is that it will completely break a large number of game mechanics and core design philosophies.
However, CCP did successfully troll tens of thousands of players into skilling for Battlecruisers, making the new tier 3 BCs an even bigger hit.
Op success! Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
428
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Posted - 2012.07.05 10:40:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Tippia wrote:Mark Androcius wrote:Reason this will never be implemented: It will probably kill the purpose of having more then 1 alt. It will make training for higher level skills pointless, cause people will just train a lot of low level ones, that they will later convert to SP for the hgiher level ones. The second reason makes no sense GÇö you don't gain SP faster by training lower levels. No, the reason it will (thankfully) never be implemented is that it will completely break a large number of game mechanics and core design philosophies. However, CCP did successfully troll tens of thousands of players into skilling for Battlecruisers, making the new tier 3 BCs an even bigger hit. Op success!
You'll do it anyway at some point so there's not much of a problem if they make Destroyers/Battlecruisers/Reccons etc skills racial ones, if they don't there no problem neither when you can always choose the best tool for whatever task and join whatever group with no shield/armor weapon systems requirements.
brb |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1017
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Posted - 2012.07.05 10:54:00 -
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As someone who only ever flies Amarrian ships I too would prefer to receive SPs rather than skills.
But it's not a big issue for me. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
428
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Posted - 2012.07.05 10:59:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:As someone who only ever flies Amarrian ships I too would prefer to receive SPs rather than skills.
But it's not a big issue for me.
As someone who only flies Amarrian and eventually doesn't have any other race trained for the prerequisites (if CCP ever does that stuff) you don't get any SP or skills.
brb |

Alice Saki
Analog Folk SRS.
133
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Posted - 2012.07.05 11:12:00 -
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Best Drake. Nano, Duel Web Drake. Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person, GINGER PRIDE xD |

Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
215
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Posted - 2012.07.05 11:13:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:As someone who only ever flies Amarrian ships I too would prefer to receive SPs rather than skills.
But it's not a big issue for me.
I'm amazed you have anything left to train relating to Amarrian ships  |
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