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Boomershoot Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.11.17 18:43:00 - [31] since LP are losing their base value, when will i be able to purchase a nightmare for less than 500m?
Blondieonsum Endless Opportunities	Posted - 2008.11.17 19:44:00 - [32] Also OP mentions not the god damn tags we have to collect ! LP's are balanced stfu
iudex Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.11.17 21:35:00 - [33] Originally by: Dantes Revenge Originally by: Blondieonsum OP is full of i can do it everyone else fails :P And also a bit full of I can bait suckers into lowsec for my ganking pleasure too. Common saying around these parts - Proof or it didn't happen. Since you asked for proof, i just had this mission again and made a screenshot at the beginning and at the end of the mission. Add to that 2-3 minutes till the rats started to spawn and you have a completion time of ~35 minutes (used ballistic controls this time compared to last time). Screenshots: Beginnin of mission + reward check the time in the lower left corner and compare to End of mission + wrecks 68806 lp + 7 mil isk in ~40 minutes and if you spend another 10-15 minutes for looting the battleship wrecks you get minerals worth close to 30mil (lol @ miners), i think thats more reason than enough for people to do this en mass and crash the lp market. I see the locals in that area already filling, people are moving there for the new gold rush. If someone didn't find out what the buff was: it's the new t2 fury heavy missile with their new range and 28% extra dps compared to t1, which result in a nice completion time boost.
Lady Aja Caldari Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.11.17 22:43:00 - [34] lp crash is bull**... only you and those of the gaction you *** for will suffer... I do gurista missions so wont effect me in the slightest. rattlesnakes and crystal implants ftw!!
Jurgen Cartis Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2008.11.17 23:08:00 - [35] Fury missiles eh. . . I figured it was something more esoteric than that when you said 'almost unnoticed'. Most of us watching noticed that, indeed there was speculation about Fury Cruise Golems being the new FoTM, but it was drowned in the whines from 2m SP Ravens who can't run L4s without drone skills anymore. -------------------- Originally by: Crumplecorn I prefer launching bathtubs of antimatter at my opponents over pointing an open DVD player at them, even if the bathtubs do miss a lot. So no.
Carniflex Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.11.18 12:34:00 - [36] Originally by: Jurgen Cartis Fury missiles eh. . . I figured it was something more esoteric than that when you said 'almost unnoticed'. Most of us watching noticed that, indeed there was speculation about Fury Cruise Golems being the new FoTM, but it was drowned in the whines from 2m SP Ravens who can't run L4s without drone skills anymore. I ran some numbers - fury is nice but in majority of situations will still lose out to CN ammo. Well in case of cruise missiles I mean. Dunno about smaller missiles have not looked at there in serious enough manner. For missionrunning Fury cruise missiles will be reasonable in CNR with painter and 3x rigor rigs and max support skills - even then they are better only against BS/BC and one would be better off switching to CN ammo against cruisers. As far as LP crashing with new fury missiles on nighthawk go - I would say it's unlikley, as any additional flux coming in from those lev 5 missions would be minor correction to general situation where avreage missionrunner with mediocre skills and equipment lost considerably in missionrunning speed with new missile changes.
Thudin	Posted - 2008.11.18 12:39:00 - [37] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 17/11/2008 06:59:51 It takes you an hour? Oh and my LPs go to MY stuff. I don't sell MY loyalty points. Get your own. Which give me a nasty idea... How about all items bought from LP stores can't be traded, sold or contracted This! fo sho
Cautet Celestial Apocalypse Resurgency	Posted - 2008.11.18 12:53:00 - [38] Glad OP is running level 5's quicker, but can't see how OP will lose out, execpt perhaps from gloating. Three possible results: 1. Everyone rushes to lowsec and LP prices drop to level where level 5's are same profitability as before changes. OP doesn't lose out but still wishes he hadn't told everyone. 2. Some rush to lowsec and LP prices drop slightly but level 5's still make more LP/hour than before changes. OP gains but wishes he hadn't told anyone. 3. LP prices don't change. OP gains and gloats that no-one took advantage despite him telling them level 5's are now easier. Unless the purpose of the OP is either to drive down LP prices or getting more targets in lowsec.
Rexthor Hammerfists Rage of Inferno	Posted - 2008.11.18 15:48:00 - [39] Originally by: Carniflex Originally by: Jurgen Cartis Fury missiles eh. . . I figured it was something more esoteric than that when you said 'almost unnoticed'. Most of us watching noticed that, indeed there was speculation about Fury Cruise Golems being the new FoTM, but it was drowned in the whines from 2m SP Ravens who can't run L4s without drone skills anymore. I ran some numbers - fury is nice but in majority of situations will still lose out to CN ammo. Well in case of cruise missiles I mean. Dunno about smaller missiles have not looked at there in serious enough manner. For missionrunning Fury cruise missiles will be reasonable in CNR with painter and 3x rigor rigs and max support skills - even then they are better only against BS/BC and one would be better off switching to CN ammo against cruisers. As far as LP crashing with new fury missiles on nighthawk go - I would say it's unlikley, as any additional flux coming in from those lev 5 missions would be minor correction to general situation where avreage missionrunner with mediocre skills and equipment lost considerably in missionrunning speed with new missile changes. I know next to nothing about missions, but id guess since he needs an active tank hes using a drake or nighthawk with t2 heavies. - Boosters and PirateProfessions
Thuranni B and D	Posted - 2008.11.18 15:54:00 - [40] A passive tanked nighthawk? that is your "secret"?
Scagga Laebetrovo Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2008.11.18 15:58:00 - [41] Level 5 missions are only accessible in low sec space. I thought people thought it was a good idea to make low sec to become more lucrative, right? Now we have the OP suggesting that it is quite lucrative, perhaps lucrative enough to risk going there and he's suggesting this is a bad thing? shakes his head Scagga is running for the CSM, see his campaign thread to know of his standpoints!
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.11.18 16:22:00 - [42] Suitable Caldari Agents: 5 Suitable Gallente Agents: 0 Suitable Amarr/Amma Agents: 0 I really...really don't get what the devs were thinking. (Didn't check Minnie)
iudex Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.11.18 16:49:00 - [43] Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Level 5 missions are only accessible in low sec space. I thought people thought it was a good idea to make low sec to become more lucrative, right? Now we have the OP suggesting that it is quite lucrative, perhaps lucrative enough to risk going there and he's suggesting this is a bad thing? shakes his head I don't say it's bad in general, the problem i see is that the lp stores don't offer anything that can balance the new lp income. If you look at the lp value, it was constantly devaluating before even level 5 were boosted. As people can do them solo now quite effectively this will add alot to the already unbalanced market and might crash it even faster. I hope ccp will act and stop the devaluation by adding new items to the lp store, that require lots of lps, to keep many players happy. Just because i see a problem with the lp rewards doesn't mean i say level 5s are bad in general. @ Thuranni: i didn't say that's a big secret, it's just a way to do the missions all alone. You don't have to wait till your teammates are online in order to do that missions. Or maybe they don't have time or you have to wait for them for long etc. When you can do them allone, you can do them whenever you like and how often you like, you therefore will do it much more often and keep the reward all for yourself. @ Cautet: i won't lose out at all, if they become less profitable than 50mil/h i'll go back to pirate missionrunning anyways, also i'm now taking a several week break from eve because of the MoM update for Lotro, and in the March expansion everything is going to be diffrent anyways with mission. But i can't deny that it's amusing to see all that highsec level 4 grinders, who undercut me all the time with faction ammo and who created lag in my mission hub, now suffer from lower profits (i know that's selfish). @ Carniflex & Jurgen Cartis: You are right about fury cruise missiles, their explo radius is way to big compared with t1/CN, i'd not take them for level 4s aswell. But heavy furys are precise enough to kill even the elite frig tacklers quite fast, and when doing level 5 missions in over 90% of time you'll be shooting at battelships, that are always hit for full damage (minus resistances) anyways. And 28% is a huge boost, that's extra dps where you already breaking the tank, the rat dies much faster than 28% of time, it's a huge time boost and dosn't cost nearly as much as navy ammo. With em fury missiles i get 404dps from missiles (2 bcs) + 5 light drones (heavy spec 4, can be improved by a 2% better rof), and even more with scourge furys because of the commandship bonus. This makes the nighthawk the perfect ship against anything shooting therm/kin or even mixed damagetypes - and it doesn't require any cap (which you don't have in level 5s because of the neut towers) to shoot or tank. Only a shield-tanked Minmatar BC could do something similar.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.11.18 17:05:00 - [44] Don't worry, fury missiles should go up in price to compensate, while LP rewards will be coming down as average mission-copletion times go down too - and the areas around L5 agents will start filling with mission-scanning pirates. Not that the rewards are too high for killing a passive NH (quite small, actually), but you CAN scan a passive NH relatively easy, especially if you use fury ammo (and, well, you probably use 5 light drones too). But yeah, you can cherry-pick only "highsec" L5s, especially with several alts... but not all L5 missions are that easily doable solo.
iudex Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.11.18 17:50:00 - [45] Originally by: Akita T Don't worry, fury missiles should go up in price to compensate, while LP rewards will be coming down as average mission-copletion times go down too - and the areas around L5 agents will start filling with mission-scanning pirates. Not that the rewards are too high for killing a passive NH (quite small, actually), but you CAN scan a passive NH relatively easy, especially if you use fury ammo (and, well, you probably use 5 light drones too). But yeah, you can cherry-pick only "highsec" L5s, especially with several alts... but not all L5 missions are that easily doable solo. Hehe you mean hisec suiciders ? Sure they can do, but actually there is nothing valuable on a NH, CN bcs are enough, t2 launchers, spr, extenders .. and the resistance amplifiers are currently falling in prices aswell, nothing really worth to suicide gank, there are much better cnr/golems targets in highsec with their multiple billion gist shieldtanks :D Ofc. i didn't do all level 5s yet, i refuse Angel and Serpentis missions (which seem to be the best paid ones, up to 74k lp offers...) because of standing, but as Caldari you mostly get anti Gallente missions, and with 3 amplifiers and the resistance skills at 4 its 93.17% on kinetik and 89.68% thermal. You also try to gain distance or if everything fails warp out and warp back in (killing tacklers first always). In difficult missions you can go with 5 spr and hardly anything will break the tank if you keep moving, here an example of 23 Gallente BS shooting on a 5 spr setup and the tank holding fine: (Location, Location 1 of 5)
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:16:00 - [46] Also, there seems to be some bugs with missile grouping... like, for instance, the "spawn chance" of a defender seems to be still based on number of shots fired, and a 6-shot group only counts as a single shot... so you get 1/launchers NPC defender effectiveness right now, if I'm not completely mistaken... which should be fixed Soon™, I presume. _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
FarosWarrior Amarr Sonnema	Posted - 2008.11.18 20:01:00 - [47] only read OP! but the LP devaluation came with the LP store
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.11.18 20:11:00 - [48] I am posting in mission thread which I care-a-lot.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.11.18 20:15:00 - [49] Originally by: Akita T Also, there seems to be some bugs with missile grouping... like, for instance, the "spawn chance" of a defender seems to be still based on number of shots fired, and a 6-shot group only counts as a single shot... so you get 1/launchers NPC defender effectiveness right now, if I'm not completely mistaken... which should be fixed Soon™, I presume. Sigh. Tsk tsk, you know better. That's a feature, not a bug. For real.
Shinzann Sten Industries	Posted - 2008.11.18 21:06:00 - [50] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 17/11/2008 06:59:51 It takes you an hour? Oh and my LPs go to MY stuff. I don't sell MY loyalty points. Get your own. Which give me a nasty idea... How about all items bought from LP stores can't be traded, sold or contracted I left all my soulbound crap when I quit WoW, thanks. === Q u o t e: If the servers aren't up, its not a hotfix.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.11.18 21:46:00 - [51] Originally by: Qui Shon Sigh. Tsk tsk, you know better. That's a feature, not a bug. For real. Notify : status changed from "bug" to "feature". _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
wassssabi	Posted - 2008.11.18 21:47:00 - [52] as a lvl5 mission-*****, i know what you talking about. i miss nexus chips. faction cap ships would be awesome
Lady Aja Caldari Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.11.18 22:25:00 - [53] why the hell would you care about lp value when youre earning some 50+m an hour via dog tags?
Jason Edwards	Posted - 2008.11.18 23:17:00 - [54] Op is a moron. All these changes happened so long ago. There's no incoming crash. 1st thing he doesnt think of is people simply not using lp at all. Let it just collect. I have 1mil lp in one corp alone. I know other people with 10mil lp.
Jason Edwards	Posted - 2008.11.18 23:18:00 - [55] Originally by: Boomershoot since LP are losing their base value, when will i be able to purchase a nightmare for less than 500m? No because those come from pirate lp. Aka stain. Which is very fought over. Thusly the high value of nightmare will always be constant.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.11.19 00:16:00 - [56] And there's no L5s for pirate factions YET. _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Lady Aja Caldari Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.11.19 00:47:00 - [57] Originally by: Akita T And there's no L5s for pirate factions YET. OH OH OH OH!!! when i used to play wicker man.. and he had a 10.0 with guardian angels and lvl 5 agents were on sisi... I I I I I I tried a mission on my own in my absol and and and and i got near insta popped after being neuted. lol.. but seriously i hope they do introduce them and dont make em in 0.0agent hubs that would suck.
Jason Edwards	Posted - 2008.11.19 01:02:00 - [58] Originally by: Lady Aja Originally by: Akita T And there's no L5s for pirate factions YET. OH OH OH OH!!! when i used to play wicker man.. and he had a 10.0 with guardian angels and lvl 5 agents were on sisi... I I I I I I tried a mission on my own in my absol and and and and i got near insta popped after being neuted. lol.. but seriously i hope they do introduce them and dont make em in 0.0agent hubs that would suck. Seems to be only 3 ways to do lvl 5s. Ishtar + support dps. Nighthawk + support dps. Carrier + cap support. Carrier option often harder.
Doctor Mahbuse	Posted - 2008.11.19 01:06:00 - [59] Originally by: Jason Edwards Op is a moron. All these changes happened so long ago. There's no incoming crash. 1st thing he doesnt think of is people simply not using lp at all. Let it just collect. I have 1mil lp in one corp alone. I know other people with 10mil lp. Ye, let it just collect, a very wise decision in times of constant price sink. We need more gimps like you, then prices will hold steady
Feng Schui Minmatar Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.11.19 01:39:00 - [60] 700 isk per LP.. owch. I won't go for anything less than 2500 isk per LP, + 25% markup. Just gotta know what to sell and where to sell it I guess.

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