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Kravick Drasari	Posted - 2008.11.18 04:27:00 - [1] Edited by: Kravick Drasari on 18/11/2008 04:28:29 Edited by: Kravick Drasari on 18/11/2008 04:27:21 http://www.spirituallysmart.com/mark.html For those of you who don't want to click the link its basically a possible conclusion the recent international economic talks of going into a cashless economy like EVE where your currency is linked to an account. There is no actual coin or paper money. In order to access this money you will need to pass your Verichip implant over a scanner and you are then debited or charged the amount of money similar to how credit cards work now. However, they go a step further and that all of your personal and medical information is encoded in this chip. Don't have a chip or want to get implanted? Sorry, you can't buy food, gas, water, get any social benefits, credit, or even get a job. At least, thats the conspiracy. I'm not to fond of my psychological profile, behavioral assessment, family socio-economic, employer reviews (cause some of those guys are real ****s), and spending habits being on these chips ether. There is already some truth to this. For one these things have been linked to cancer: http://www.antichips.com/press-releases/microchip-imlants-tumors.html http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-09-08-rfidchips_N.htm http://www.rense.com/general78/cancer.htm and countless other links if you do a Google search. One thing that crosses my mind about these chips is just like everything else that has come before them someone will eventually hack the things and be able to decode the information thats on them. What they will do with that information obviously won't be for your benefit . So, conspiracy nut job or possible truth? If this does come to pass, I can see it being abused by both corporations and the unlawful, but I don't believe it will become as bad as its being made out to be. At least not right away. --- My cat Putter approves of this post.
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.18 04:28:00 - [2] That's awesome --------------------- It's me! Your lovable forum warrior!!!
Khemul Zula Amarr Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.11.18 04:54:00 - [3] Edited by: Khemul Zula on 18/11/2008 04:55:00 This is a completely new idea. People have not been talking about doing this for 20 years. Christians have not been complaining that any implanted chip is the mark of the beast. I actually hope they'll do this soon just so they'll stop talking about doing it. Also why are 'conspiracy nut job' and 'possible truth' mutually exclusive?
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2008.11.18 05:13:00 - [4] If we as a planet are to be a TRULY civilized, united world...This would probably be needed...pretty helpful too. I say throw GPS on there...that way if someone gets murdered, they'll know exactly who was in that area the body was found, and from there the roots will spread and they will find out every person involved. To protect so called "freedom", the government wont have rights to randomly search your info unless they have you as a suspect for something illegal. You know...like Search Warrants and such. Voluntold, Webcomic Podlings, EVE based Webcomic
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.18 05:44:00 - [5] Plus a kid's version that lets the parents give the little **** a shock every time it's insubordinate
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2008.11.18 06:32:00 - [6] Edited by: Xen Gin on 18/11/2008 06:31:52 The system would be way to0 insecure, especially as it uses wireless contact chips. It might just as well use RFID tags or something.
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises	Posted - 2008.11.18 06:40:00 - [7] Edited by: HankMurphy on 18/11/2008 06:40:50 screw that. i'll just throw some random reasons why... -we aren't cattle, we shouldn't be tagged -physical currency provides an ability to trade between individuals without involving banking centers / tracking (some consider this bad, they are crazy) -physical currency cannot disappear in a moment of electronic confusion. physical currency can also not be haxzored - a system such as this provides an unwarranted and unneeded system of control over the populace. you dont need to be a conspiracy nut to have a healthy fear of how easily a system like this could be abused by corrupt individuals -in our technological new age, we think our technology to be much more reliable than it is. technology is not at the point yet where we can construct a system such as this and ensure a reasonable level of reliability and security. Well, let me clarify, it may be reasonable to those that will own and run the system, but certainly not in my opinion. (bugs and problems are vastly abundant with the way we do things now, a new system would inherently introduce more even with the prospect of having less in the long run). It would be a level of instability that wouldn't effect a large business per say, but could cause havoc to the unfortunate individual. -the proponents and eventual caretakers of a system such as this have proven the exact opposite of being capable and trustworthy. so we should get rid of physical currency (cash) and give them complete control of all/the only form of currency available why...? conspiracy nut job or possible truth? Why can't it be both? ------------------------------ everybody be cool this is a threadjack! just lay face down on the ground and no one will get hurt!
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.18 06:45:00 - [8] Originally by: HankMurphy Edited by: HankMurphy on 18/11/2008 06:40:50 screw that. i'll just throw some random reasons why... -we aren't cattle, we shouldn't be tagged -physical currency provides an ability to trade between individuals without involving banking centers / tracking (some consider this bad, they are crazy) -physical currency cannot disappear in a moment of electronic confusion. physical currency can also not be haxzored - a system such as this provides an unwarranted and unneeded system of control over the populace. you dont need to be a conspiracy nut to have a healthy fear of how easily a system like this could be abused by corrupt individuals -in our technological new age, we think our technology to be much more reliable than it is. technology is not at the point yet where we can construct a system such as this and ensure a reasonable level of reliability and security. Well, let me clarify, it may be reasonable to those that will own and run the system, but certainly not in my opinion. (bugs and problems are vastly abundant with the way we do things now, a new system would inherently introduce more even with the prospect of having less in the long run). It would be a level of instability that wouldn't effect a large business per say, but could cause havoc to the unfortunate individual. -the proponents and eventual caretakers of a system such as this have proven the exact opposite of being capable and trustworthy. so we should get rid of physical currency (cash) and give them complete control of all/the only form of currency available why...? conspiracy nut job or possible truth? Why can't it be both? I hear Somalia needs more pirates... maybe you could fill out an app there --------------------- It's me! Your lovable forum warrior!!!
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.11.18 06:59:00 - [9] Originally by: Khemul Zula Edited by: Khemul Zula on 18/11/2008 04:55:00 This is a completely new idea. People have not been talking about doing this for 20 years. Christians have not been complaining that any implanted chip is the mark of the beast. I actually hope they'll do this soon just so they'll stop talking about doing it. Also why are 'conspiracy nut job' and 'possible truth' mutually exclusive? Most Christans unfortunitely dont make the connection that for something to be the mark of the beast requires that the individual understand that said mark is a swearing of alligance. Yes the chip has a lot of things that would make such a mark viable (particularly in the area of trade) however until someone comes along saying to show my alliance to them I need to have a mark or chip or whatever on my person any chip is just that, a chip. Of course it could really just be the devil in a suit in virtual reality marking everyone with 666 in a sudo matrix loading area setting (5 million isk to the individual who names the refrence, seriously, ill send it.)
Irish Whiskey Caldari Warped Mining	Posted - 2008.11.18 08:40:00 - [10] Edited by: Irish Whiskey on 18/11/2008 08:40:26 Originally by: Intense Thinker Plus a kid's version that lets the parents give the little **** a shock every time it's insubordinate +1 rep for referring to the little one as an "it" Oh and Jacob: STFU!!!! Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. edit: sounds like Virtuosity
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.11.18 15:04:00 - [11] Originally by: Irish Whiskey Edited by: Irish Whiskey on 18/11/2008 08:40:26 Originally by: Intense Thinker Plus a kid's version that lets the parents give the little **** a shock every time it's insubordinate +1 rep for referring to the little one as an "it" Oh and Jacob: STFU!!!! edit: sounds like Virtuosity Nope, its at a later date then that. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
B0rn2KiLL Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.18 17:24:00 - [12] welp, i can see it implemented, ill be one of them ones who won't have one inside of me. --- Originally by: Oveur It's important to understand that EVE is a "PvP" focused game
ouroboros trading Gallente Medics On Fire	Posted - 2008.11.18 17:30:00 - [13] x'ing up for the HUMAN RESISTANCE
Gabrialle Amarr Sunspot Requisitions Worlds End Consortium	Posted - 2008.11.18 17:40:00 - [14] Edited by: Gabrialle on 18/11/2008 17:42:05 Originally by: Khemul Zula Edited by: Khemul Zula on 18/11/2008 04:55:00 Of course it could really just be the devil in a suit in virtual reality marking everyone with 666 in a sudo matrix loading area setting (5 million isk to the individual who names the refrence, seriously, ill send it.) One Nation Earth (O.N.E.)? Also it wouldnt surprise me if this is accurate regarding the accepting of allegiance - its called small print. Also the uk government tried to slip ID cards in with an immigration law recently Edit - fail at quoting
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council	Posted - 2008.11.18 22:45:00 - [15] Originally by: ouroboros trading x'ing up for the HUMAN RESISTANCE X but in all seriousness, i will NEVER be tagged like some kind of livestock, NOR my children Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
Kravick Drasari	Posted - 2008.11.18 23:18:00 - [16] I was thinking more about this at work. How will drug dealers, weapon dealers, and all around black market activities deal with a cashless monetary system? These kinds of things work because they are not tracked via bank accounts and with a cashless system you'd have no choice but to leave a paper trail for police to follow. Not only that but any money that shows up in these accounts can be taxed as it would be considered income. Would they then come up with their own form of currency? --- My cat Putter approves of this post.
ouroboros trading Gallente Medics On Fire	Posted - 2008.11.18 23:27:00 - [17] Originally by: Gabrialle Edited by: Gabrialle on 18/11/2008 17:42:05 Originally by: Khemul Zula Edited by: Khemul Zula on 18/11/2008 04:55:00 Of course it could really just be the devil in a suit in virtual reality marking everyone with 666 in a sudo matrix loading area setting (5 million isk to the individual who names the refrence, seriously, ill send it.) One Nation Earth (O.N.E.)? Also it wouldnt surprise me if this is accurate regarding the accepting of allegiance - its called small print. Also the uk government tried to slip ID cards in with an immigration law recently Edit - fail at quoting aye gotta love how they create a problem then try to impose the solution on everyone. can see the **** coming from miles, i used to respect politicians as a kid but the more you learn about how they think...and what they think...scarey tbh. they see people as things to be twisted and manipulated, perhaps because people willing allow them to do this under the guise of being in their own race, culture, group. Then you realise there is no nation.
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2008.11.18 23:31:00 - [18] Obviously, if all this stuff is on the internet, it must be true. No one would lie or not support their arguments here Also, 1010011010. _____________________ My opinions plus a tablespoon of water may be substituted for your own.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.11.19 00:46:00 - [19] Originally by: Gabrialle Edited by: Gabrialle on 18/11/2008 17:42:05 Originally by: Khemul Zula Edited by: Khemul Zula on 18/11/2008 04:55:00 Of course it could really just be the devil in a suit in virtual reality marking everyone with 666 in a sudo matrix loading area setting (5 million isk to the individual who names the refrence, seriously, ill send it.) One Nation Earth (O.N.E.)? Also it wouldnt surprise me if this is accurate regarding the accepting of allegiance - its called small print. Also the uk government tried to slip ID cards in with an immigration law recently Edit - fail at quoting Holy crap someone actually got the refrence somewhat. Name the movie and i'll send the isk. Has to be the movie that that idea first appeared in though. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Irish Whiskey Caldari Warped Mining	Posted - 2008.11.19 11:04:00 - [20]
ouroboros trading Gallente Medics On Fire	Posted - 2008.11.19 11:22:00 - [21] Edited by: ouroboros trading on 19/11/2008 11:24:23 that looks like a really good film O_O
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.11.19 12:38:00 - [22] I am not so blind that I can not see some benefits to this, but HM worded out the primary issues with the concept perfectly. Also that dude in the first video saying "I am doing it because it is easier" blows my mind. Originally by: B0rn2KiLL welp, i can see it implemented, ill be one of them ones who won't have one inside of me. I will be with you So in finalization. X Let me know what you don't have and I will bring it Slade Originally by: Crumplecorn NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine. ≡v≡
Gojyu Ever Flow Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.11.19 12:46:00 - [23] The government and companies who require it can already access your medical records, credit history, personal information, spending habits and order a psychological profile whenever they see fit in order for you to do business with them. I don't really see why this is all that different, assuming that companies can not access said information without consent
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.11.19 12:49:00 - [24] Originally by: Gojyu The government and companies who require it can already access your medical records, credit history, personal information, spending habits and order a psychological profile whenever they see fit in order for you to do business with them. I don't really see why this is all that different, assuming that companies can not access said information without consent I highlighted the part that I have a major problem with. Why make it easier? Slade Originally by: Crumplecorn NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine. ≡v≡
Gojyu Ever Flow Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.11.19 12:51:00 - [25] Originally by: Slade Trillgon Originally by: Gojyu The government and companies who require it can already access your medical records, credit history, personal information, spending habits and order a psychological profile whenever they see fit in order for you to do business with them. I don't really see why this is all that different, assuming that companies can not access said information without consent I highlighted the part that I have a major problem with. Why make it easier? Slade To be frank, it's merely an assumption that they can't do it already. At least now they'd have to physically read your chip, as opposed to getting a court order without your knowledge.
Faekurias Black Legion Command Black Legion.	Posted - 2008.11.19 14:52:00 - [26] MOAR POWER TO THE BANKS! THEY R NEW WORLD ORDER GOGOGO ! GO BANKS YAY! ------------------ Recruiting..
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.11.19 15:38:00 - [27] Originally by: Irish Whiskey Image Right movie serise wrong movie. I pitty Mr. T for having a crappy agent that could only get him that sort of work. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.11.19 15:43:00 - [28] Originally by: Gojyu Originally by: Slade Trillgon Originally by: Gojyu The government and companies who require it can already access your medical records, credit history, personal information, spending habits and order a psychological profile whenever they see fit in order for you to do business with them. I don't really see why this is all that different, assuming that companies can not access said information without consent I highlighted the part that I have a major problem with. Why make it easier? Slade To be frank, it's merely an assumption that they can't do it already. At least now they'd have to physically read your chip, as opposed to getting a court order without your knowledge. With a chip you would have to be there in person for them to read the information, they could still get a court order. What I would like to know is what would stop someone from eventually devising a way to read the chip in such a way as to grab all the information. IE some con comes up to you, "accidently" bumps you, scans your chip and before you know it they have all your information. To me this seems like the wet dream for those who commit identity theft. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Kravick Drasari	Posted - 2008.11.19 22:25:00 - [29] Edited by: Kravick Drasari on 19/11/2008 22:25:53 Originally by: Gojyu To be frank, it's merely an assumption that they can't do it already. At least now they'd have to physically read your chip, as opposed to getting a court order without your knowledge. Thats not how it works exactly. Its more of a digital bar code that of the 128 encoded numbers only 32 of them would be unique to you. When you scan the chip it only reads that 32 number ID code. That information is then sent over the internet to a data center where all that info is stored. A request is made based on that 32 number code. The info is then sent back to a terminal where it is viewed by the person requesting the information. Who owns and operates the data centers? Yep, the government. So basically, they already HAVE your information and don't really need you physically there anyway.
Glarion Garnier Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.11.23 02:18:00 - [30] Originally by: Gojyu The government and companies who require it can already access your medical records, credit history, personal information, spending habits and order a psychological profile whenever they see fit in order for you to do business with them. I don't really see why this is all that different, assuming that companies can not access said information without consent You would prolly go to the line at the trainstation when masked guards with assault rifles are seeing to it that the crowd behaves at the trainstation. now Imagine a scene from the movie Pianist with modern swat uniforms and blackwater mercs seeing that ppl go peacfully to the train. _________________________________ -be vary of the men behind the curtain-

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