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origPumu
D U F F
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:13:00 -
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Please remove the IGB and EVE-mail. I don't need it. It is slow, buggy and (as said) useless. Why to manage a Corp or Alliance by mails. Just use the chatchannels!
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Neth'Rae
Gallente
Decorum Inc
Tygris Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:16:00 -
[92]
Edited by: Neth''Rae on 18/11/2008 23:15:54
I made this thread a while ago, about improving EVE Mail for Corps and Alliance aswell as provide better sorting options.
I guess having an out-box would be a good thing aswell :) |
Atlas Oracle
Minmatar
Colossus Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:17:00 -
[93]
sometimes you guys seem incompetent to me.
/boggle |
Neth'Rae
Gallente
Decorum Inc
Tygris Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:20:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Neth''Rae on 18/11/2008 23:20:22
 Originally by: Atlas Oracle
sometimes you guys seem incompetent to me.
/boggle
I guess it's a performance issue. |
Darkeen
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:23:00 -
[95]
Well, CCP, it DOES seem that you've openned a can of worms by deleteing old emails (killmails being affected).
If your mail systems are taking out huge chunks of server side processor time then you need to rework the mail system.
Whilst I understand that the Evemail system is NOT a POP/IMAP/exchange/etc system and that it is a proprietary system, and that changing to IMAP means that you need to have a domain name for each user, introduces issues with SPAM form outside sources, etc.
In order to resolve the issue, you SHOULD delete all old emails as you are going to... but allow the export of evemails first. a Single Bulk text dump of all evemails to an external email address (that is done during low processor load / downtime, etc when there are few/no users online).
Give users a message warning that they have 3 days, 2 days 1 day, last warning and THEN purge old emails. Give them a chance to remove the emails first.
Keeping the 1000 email header limit is a great idea. If you cant read the first 1000 emails your getting then you dont NEED to see the 1001st email......
Keep up the good work, but a little tweaking would be better...
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ndal
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:24:00 -
[96]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
To address performance issues in EVE we are making some changes to the EVE Mail system in Quantum Rise 1.0.1. You will now be able to fetch up to 1000 undeleted EVE Mails, however, EVE Mail number 1001 and beyond will not be fetched, whether it has been read or not. To gain access to those EVE Mails, you must delete newer EVE mails. In addition to this all EVE Mails sent by NPCs that are older than 3 months will be deleted.
No where in Wrangler's post does he say that mails above 1000 will be deleted only that they wonĘt be loaded into the mail client.
This means that they can implement this change now and then at a later date release a tool which will let you export mail or save it to different folders within the client.
These changes take time to do but I would rather be without my very old messages for a few months or even years if it helps reduce lag on the server now even if only a little bit.
I also canĘt imagine that many players have over 1000 eve mails, which they want to keep. My current mail count is 3 and thatĘs only to allow me to send mails to them with out having to type in there names
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Sahjahn
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:25:00 -
[97]
Besides the mail changes can we get any word from CCP as to whether they are going to fix the problem (excessive lag/performance issues) when running 2 or more clients? Or even an admission that there is even a problem at all? |
Darkeen
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:38:00 -
[98]
Originally by: ndal
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
To address performance issues in EVE we are making some changes to the EVE Mail system in Quantum Rise 1.0.1. You will now be able to fetch up to 1000 undeleted EVE Mails, however, EVE Mail number 1001 and beyond will not be fetched, whether it has been read or not. To gain access to those EVE Mails, you must delete newer EVE mails. In addition to this all EVE Mails sent by NPCs that are older than 3 months will be deleted.
No where in Wrangler's post does he say that mails above 1000 will be deleted only that they wonĘt be loaded into the mail client.
Your missing the point. The issue is highlighted.
People who have been in the game for 3-5 years will loose their Killmails!
Thats what the issue is!
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Joey2cool
A Galatic Exploration
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Posted - 2008.11.19 00:25:00 -
[99]
only in eve can people make a complaint about changing something as simple as the internal mail system... |
Beast Jasper
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Posted - 2008.11.19 00:25:00 -
[100]
This is the least of your problems guys, just go and have a read of the Issues and technical problems forum. You've currently got hundreds and hundreds of players unable to play the game properly, be that getting into the game or horrendous lag that makes it unplayable since QR.
No one from your support team has offered any reassurance to these players that something is being done, and then you announce a patch to fix th MAIL system???
Oh please.... |
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Gilgamoth
Eldritch Storm
The Matari Consortium
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Posted - 2008.11.19 00:34:00 -
[101]
Keep your hands off my Concord Kill-mails.
BAD CCP BAD!
Regards,
Gil |
Jmanis Catharg
Caldari
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2008.11.19 00:40:00 -
[102]
Seriously, people whining about losing killmails, isn't that what you've got killboards for?? |
Cor'len
The Silence of Thunder
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Posted - 2008.11.19 00:43:00 -
[103]
If you don't leave my Concord mails alone or allow us to export them, then I quit*! I really mean it!
-Cor'len
(*: I'm quitting anyway, just milking it for all it's worth) |
Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.11.19 00:45:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Jmanis Catharg
Seriously, people whining about losing killmails, isn't that what you've got killboards for??
Some of us don't like to advertise our preferred ship fits publicly. |
Leroy Meeks
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Posted - 2008.11.19 01:09:00 -
[105]
CCP go work with Mozzila.org and get a real in-game browser and mail client!!! Then put in a detached mail service that can't impact the game.
Please tell me the mail is not stored in the same database as the critical game data. And if it is not, what performance issue are you addressing.
If it is, segregate it to a different server. Statements and actions like this give me pause. If you want people to clean things up. Set quotas. No sending e-mail until your inbox is cleaned up.
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Felix Crusher
Amarr
RennTech
Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.11.19 01:16:00 -
[106]
What I'm worried about is the start of a slippery slope here. Sure 1000 seems like a reasonable number, but what about in the future? Future "unannounced features" will probably cut this back more and more, just like CCP did with our character bios. It may only be a matter of months before we can keep just 100 evemails. 
R.I.P. my old character bio, you were very amusing. 
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Jake Silence
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Posted - 2008.11.19 01:29:00 -
[107]
There goes my first received evemail:
2005.11.22 00:05
Your instructors have been telling me great things about you, Jake Silence.
I've talked it over with my superiors, and we've decided to invite you to participate in the State War Academy's tutorial agent program for further instruction.
I'll be awaiting you at Kisogo VII - State War Academy School. You can find me there in the station's Agent listing in the lower right hand corner of your display.
With regards,
Toiniainen Omu,
State War Academy
My first skill trained:
2005.11.22 01:51
Training of the skill Engineering to level 2 has been completed
And my first loss mail:
2005.12.01 05:20
Victim: Jake Silence
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: State War Academy
Destroyed Type: Kestrel
Solar System: Isikemi
System Security Level: 0.8
Involved parties:
Name: Unknown (laid the final blow)
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neoe77
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Posted - 2008.11.19 01:32:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn
Originally by: Alz Shado
Originally by: Sargeant HAmmer
Originally by: Chribba
EVEMail API before purge pls.
evemail api, may as well ask for an external mail client
Evemail POP3 server, pls.
and this also. just -POP3 +imap.
or automaticlly forward to out-system address.
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check path using eve-path-find |
Zeko Rena
Caldari
Tankt
Spectrum Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.19 01:35:00 -
[109]
Wow so many weird people who have fallen in love with Concord Mail, its an automated mail from a video game lol 
Just copy and paste the text into a word document or a forum if you really want them that much, if its going to improve performance why are you complaining, if people complain about lag and then CCP try to impliment fixes dont get so upset and try to think of ways to avoid the loss 
I have to wonder, does corp mail get 1000 mails, and does alliance mail get 1000 mails limit also, or is it just player EVE mails?
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.11.19 01:48:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Chribba
EVEMail API before purge pls.
This.
Manually getting out all my old ship losses, insurance mails, and skill messages would take forever, and they are how I keep track of the things I have done (I have a crap memory).
In other news, it's inspiring that CCP's first (public) act after the problems caused by QR is to further worsen what is already one of the worst designed parts of the game. |
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Atraxerxes
Caldari
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2008.11.19 02:36:00 -
[111]
How about folders so I can organize emails I don't want to delete and also as a corp CEO it would be great if when revealing my corp's long term goals I can do it in one eve mail instead of 3 or 4 parts.
I basically stopped using eve mail and switch to our corp forum only.
Now that we all know there's a limit I can't wait till my inbox gets war dec'd.
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Garion Avarr
Amarr
Zero Zero Traders
YTMND.
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Posted - 2008.11.19 03:08:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Zeko Rena
I have to wonder, does corp mail get 1000 mails, and does alliance mail get 1000 mails limit also, or is it just player EVE mails?
Seconding that CCP needs to clarify this -- is it 1000 mails in each mailing list, or 1000 mails total? I forsee some grave problems if it is the latter, especially as you cannot unsubscribe from the alliance and corp mailing lists and only a few people can delete the mails there.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.11.19 03:14:00 -
[113]
1 Throw out the old mail code.
2 Introduce a real email server and add a simple IMAP client to EVE.
3 ???
4 Profit
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Scifi
Caldari
REUNI0N
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.11.19 03:24:00 -
[114]
I'm probably weird but 1000 mails seems like quite a few. Though I can see a few people with valid reasons for keeping that many mails...even if the mail system would make it a nightmare to deal with. As everyone has mentioned a method to export those messages would be welcome though. With an upgrade to both the mail system and IGB being damn nice.
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Marlenus
Caldari
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.11.19 03:40:00 -
[115]
Deleting the old NPC mail really isn't kosher -- that's my history in the game, and it's the only place I have some of that data!
Please please reconsider deleting NPC mails, at least until there's a way to export them to an out-of-game file.
Seriously, you're going to **** off a lot of your oldest and best customers this way!
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Ironfleet.com |
Valya Dire
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Posted - 2008.11.19 03:45:00 -
[116]
Just out of interest, is CCP actively trying to destroy their game and alienate huge swathes of their subscriber base?
The performance issues of Quantum Fail are bad enough that I actually for the first time in 4 years considered cancelling my account, and now you're going to annihilate player created history by getting rid of old killmails?!
Seriously, its not April guys and i'm not laughing.
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Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.11.19 04:30:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Valya Dire
Just out of interest, is CCP actively trying to destroy their game and alienate huge swathes of their subscriber base?
The performance issues of Quantum Fail are bad enough that I actually for the first time in 4 years considered cancelling my account, and now you're going to annihilate player created history by getting rid of old killmails?!
Seriously, its not April guys and i'm not laughing.
This.
I've got killmails saved from when I first started playing eve, and I'd really rather not see them disappear  |
nemississ
Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2008.11.19 04:39:00 -
[118]
Edited by: nemississ on 19/11/2008 04:40:56
This.
ARE TEH STOOPID why do they always have to go fix stuffz that aint broken just leave it alone go work on something that will actually improve the game or like you know new content i totally expect to within the next year be able to fly a one half boob half teddy bear shaped ship because some dev thinks it will counterbalance bob's overpoweredness or somthing and that having two diffrent ppl design each half of the ship is funny. |
EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.11.19 05:12:00 -
[119]
Seconded for
- IMAP mail server
- Character limit on evemails increased considerably (from 1000 chars to at least 6000 chars)
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IR Scoutar
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.19 05:12:00 -
[120]
Edited by: IR Scoutar on 19/11/2008 05:12:44
Originally by: Joey2cool
only in eve can people make a complaint about changing something as simple as the internal mail system...
only ccp can screw up something as simple as an internal mail system  |
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