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Hardin
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Posted - 2004.07.09 08:31:00 -
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I was absolutely shocked to see the response that Shar Tegral's posts on the 'Top 10' received.
This is someone who is trying to put together something of interest for the community and all he got was abuse.
The fact is lists of this nature will always be subjective according to individual likes and dislikes... but Shar Tegral had put together an approach which was as 'fair' as it could be.
EVERYONE had the opportunity to nominate their 'favourites' in the categories provided by Shar (and stickied for a long period at the top of this forum) and if they had received enough support they would have made Shar's final ten.
It really saddens me that someone who is putting a little effort in and trying to create some content has to actually ask the moderators to lock his own threads due to flaming!
A real poor show!
The original thread
Most influential players
Alliance of the year
People of the year
Pirate corp of the year
Pirate of the year
Corp of the year
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Hardin
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Posted - 2004.07.09 08:31:00 -
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I was absolutely shocked to see the response that Shar Tegral's posts on the 'Top 10' received.
This is someone who is trying to put together something of interest for the community and all he got was abuse.
The fact is lists of this nature will always be subjective according to individual likes and dislikes... but Shar Tegral had put together an approach which was as 'fair' as it could be.
EVERYONE had the opportunity to nominate their 'favourites' in the categories provided by Shar (and stickied for a long period at the top of this forum) and if they had received enough support they would have made Shar's final ten.
It really saddens me that someone who is putting a little effort in and trying to create some content has to actually ask the moderators to lock his own threads due to flaming!
A real poor show!
The original thread
Most influential players
Alliance of the year
People of the year
Pirate corp of the year
Pirate of the year
Corp of the year
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Zhuge Liang
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Posted - 2004.07.09 08:50:00 -
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In case anyone is wondering what all the fuss is about, what you see down there now are the cleaned up versions that have been locked.
I appreciate contributions to the community and this was a welcome break from all the flames that have come from the regional wars up North.
Personal attacks will not be tolerated. Flamers and trolls will be dealt with.
I have no idea where the hate comes from but you all need to stop it and remember this is a game called EVE.
ZhuuÀ gheyÀleeÀyan (Kongming) |
Zhuge Liang
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Posted - 2004.07.09 08:50:00 -
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In case anyone is wondering what all the fuss is about, what you see down there now are the cleaned up versions that have been locked.
I appreciate contributions to the community and this was a welcome break from all the flames that have come from the regional wars up North.
Personal attacks will not be tolerated. Flamers and trolls will be dealt with.
I have no idea where the hate comes from but you all need to stop it and remember this is a game called EVE.
ZhuuÀ gheyÀleeÀyan (Kongming) |
DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.07.09 08:58:00 -
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I agree completely dammnit.
From my p.o.v. the awards looked to be a bit of fun and were opened up on these boards for everyone to have a vote on.
I don't understand the reason behind flaming them into submission, or is this just the complete return to 3 months ago on these boards where everyone is so ****ed off that they cba to do anything else?
The n00b alt chars have been pretty much negated and I thought that would reduce the amount of flaming on these boards... and for a while it did.
But unfortunately it knows seems that people have simply moved on to using their mains and not giving a **** about how that reflects on their corp, their corp mates and where applicable - their alliances.
About a month ago, I removed eve-o from my favourites and simply stopped coming here apart from a few quick peeks now and again. It was annoying because these boards represent a big part of the game for me and the flaming and hate on them was just not fun.
I came back because things seemed to have calmed down for a bit but I feel that if a simple set of awards set up by a player for all your benefit can't be read in light heartedness, then wtf is the point.
/me > removing eve-o from favourites again
See you in-game for a while.
EDIT: I had started writing this before seeing zhuge's reply. It was a reply direct to hardin.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.07.09 08:58:00 -
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I agree completely dammnit.
From my p.o.v. the awards looked to be a bit of fun and were opened up on these boards for everyone to have a vote on.
I don't understand the reason behind flaming them into submission, or is this just the complete return to 3 months ago on these boards where everyone is so ****ed off that they cba to do anything else?
The n00b alt chars have been pretty much negated and I thought that would reduce the amount of flaming on these boards... and for a while it did.
But unfortunately it knows seems that people have simply moved on to using their mains and not giving a **** about how that reflects on their corp, their corp mates and where applicable - their alliances.
About a month ago, I removed eve-o from my favourites and simply stopped coming here apart from a few quick peeks now and again. It was annoying because these boards represent a big part of the game for me and the flaming and hate on them was just not fun.
I came back because things seemed to have calmed down for a bit but I feel that if a simple set of awards set up by a player for all your benefit can't be read in light heartedness, then wtf is the point.
/me > removing eve-o from favourites again
See you in-game for a while.
EDIT: I had started writing this before seeing zhuge's reply. It was a reply direct to hardin.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Lorna Doone
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Posted - 2004.07.09 08:58:00 -
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Couldn't agree more, Hardin.
I saw the topics last night just before I hit the hay. It was late, so I thought I'd sneak in my two-pence-worth this morning instead.
I should have remembered that asking this community for fair and mature comments is like asking Godzilla for ballroom dancing tips 
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"Meantime, all around me is violence and robbery, coarse delight and savage pain, reckless joke and hopeless death." |
Lorna Doone
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Posted - 2004.07.09 08:58:00 -
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Couldn't agree more, Hardin.
I saw the topics last night just before I hit the hay. It was late, so I thought I'd sneak in my two-pence-worth this morning instead.
I should have remembered that asking this community for fair and mature comments is like asking Godzilla for ballroom dancing tips
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"Meantime, all around me is violence and robbery, coarse delight and savage pain, reckless joke and hopeless death." |
Robeyone
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Posted - 2004.07.09 09:35:00 -
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I'm agree with you Hardin, and with everything you said as well DB. It has become a very rough time for these forums as of late, can't say that I have been perfect either  But I loved the idea of the one year top 10. I thought it was cool, and it had created a great deal of buzz in game, with my corporation excited about being on the list. I think these things are needed, even if RONA isn't on there, it gives coporations and individuals a little something to be proud of, and work towards. This new war, that seems to be sucking the whole universe in, has brought out the ugliness in a lot of people. I apologize Shar for the effect it has had on your threads, and you personally if anything. I have spoken with you before, in RL, and I just want you to know that a lot of people appreciated your work. DB my apologies to you and the NCA for anything that may have offended or bothered you or your alliance, if anything I can see the effect that the negativity can have on some really fantastic ideas trying to grab a foundation here on the forums .
http://www.ronacorp.com |
Robeyone
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Posted - 2004.07.09 09:35:00 -
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I'm agree with you Hardin, and with everything you said as well DB. It has become a very rough time for these forums as of late, can't say that I have been perfect either But I loved the idea of the one year top 10. I thought it was cool, and it had created a great deal of buzz in game, with my corporation excited about being on the list. I think these things are needed, even if RONA isn't on there, it gives coporations and individuals a little something to be proud of, and work towards. This new war, that seems to be sucking the whole universe in, has brought out the ugliness in a lot of people. I apologize Shar for the effect it has had on your threads, and you personally if anything. I have spoken with you before, in RL, and I just want you to know that a lot of people appreciated your work. DB my apologies to you and the NCA for anything that may have offended or bothered you or your alliance, if anything I can see the effect that the negativity can have on some really fantastic ideas trying to grab a foundation here on the forums.
http://www.ronacorp.com |
darth solo
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Posted - 2004.07.09 10:11:00 -
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Its a stupid kiddy community, it wont change... its always been this way and always will... we cant expect anymore or any less.
this game brings out the bad in folks.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.07.09 10:11:00 -
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Its a stupid kiddy community, it wont change... its always been this way and always will... we cant expect anymore or any less.
this game brings out the bad in folks.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.07.09 10:22:00 -
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I felt so bad for the guy that spent all the time putting this together, if i was him, i prob wouldnt even bother in the future. Just let the kiddies have their temper tantrums i say.. and pop their ships in the game..
Edited -Zhuge
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.07.09 10:22:00 -
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I felt so bad for the guy that spent all the time putting this together, if i was him, i prob wouldnt even bother in the future. Just let the kiddies have their temper tantrums i say.. and pop their ships in the game..
Edited -Zhuge
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Kulach
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Posted - 2004.07.09 10:39:00 -
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Well Darth, with above comment you are also making sure the flames will continue.
You must know by now that the only way to avoid flames is to ignore them.
Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
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Kulach
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Posted - 2004.07.09 10:39:00 -
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Well Darth, with above comment you are also making sure the flames will continue.
You must know by now that the only way to avoid flames is to ignore them.
Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
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JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2004.07.09 11:15:00 -
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Edited by: JP Beauregard on 09/07/2004 12:21:46
Perspective, if I may?
It shouldn't surprise anyone that the lists drew all kinds of moronic commentary.
Publishing a Top 10 list has only one justification: stir debate by the very fact that the list involves a ranking (on as opposed to not on) and thereby attract attention not to the people listed but to the publisher.
"EVE Guardian has drawn up..." "PEOPLE magazine has published...", "The Academy has nomiated..."
I'm not about to excuse anyone for spreading the by now all too customary bile that is thrown up in an automated reflex to anything written in these forums. But I would suggest - especially after Shar's peevish response to the predictably immature debate - that the entire project was poorly planned and grossly misunderstood from the beginning.
End result: many in the community don't seem to care. Whose loss is that?
JP Beauregard
=== The Pilkington Guides to EVE === |
JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2004.07.09 11:15:00 -
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Edited by: JP Beauregard on 09/07/2004 12:21:46
Perspective, if I may?
It shouldn't surprise anyone that the lists drew all kinds of moronic commentary.
Publishing a Top 10 list has only one justification: stir debate by the very fact that the list involves a ranking (on as opposed to not on) and thereby attract attention not to the people listed but to the publisher.
"EVE Guardian has drawn up..." "PEOPLE magazine has published...", "The Academy has nomiated..."
I'm not about to excuse anyone for spreading the by now all too customary bile that is thrown up in an automated reflex to anything written in these forums. But I would suggest - especially after Shar's peevish response to the predictably immature debate - that the entire project was poorly planned and grossly misunderstood from the beginning.
End result: many in the community don't seem to care. Whose loss is that?
JP Beauregard
=== The Pilkington Guides to EVE === |
DJTheBaron
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Posted - 2004.07.09 11:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Zhuge Liang
I have no idea where the hate comes from but you all need to stop it and remember this is a game called EVE.
I think it comes from the fact people have to work very hard, boring and repetitive tasks to gain the assets for their expensive ships and modules, then wait months to aquire the skill points for then. Then we kill them ;-)_~
Alliance & corp hatred can be funny at times, some of these people have actually met in bars and started fist fights.
Unfortunatly playing a game called eve on a server called tranquility, isnt actually that harmonic. Its capitalisim after all.
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Scum, your all scum. |
DJTheBaron
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Posted - 2004.07.09 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Zhuge Liang
I have no idea where the hate comes from but you all need to stop it and remember this is a game called EVE.
I think it comes from the fact people have to work very hard, boring and repetitive tasks to gain the assets for their expensive ships and modules, then wait months to aquire the skill points for then. Then we kill them ;-)_~
Alliance & corp hatred can be funny at times, some of these people have actually met in bars and started fist fights.
Unfortunatly playing a game called eve on a server called tranquility, isnt actually that harmonic. Its capitalisim after all.
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Scum, your all scum. |
Walking Contradiction
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Posted - 2004.07.09 11:35:00 -
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In my opinion these awards were completely taken the wrong way. What I saw was a "award of the year", yet I see people mentioning, with all due respect, NORAD, OC and some other alliances/corps which have never played a big role in EvE up until a few months ago.
From the replies I read it was mostly a popularity contest with people naming their own corp and alliance as the nr. 1 and those of their friends at nr. 2 and beyond.
Eve Guardian should've made their own top 5 and then post it here to avoid such utter utter bias.
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Walking Contradiction
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Posted - 2004.07.09 11:35:00 -
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In my opinion these awards were completely taken the wrong way. What I saw was a "award of the year", yet I see people mentioning, with all due respect, NORAD, OC and some other alliances/corps which have never played a big role in EvE up until a few months ago.
From the replies I read it was mostly a popularity contest with people naming their own corp and alliance as the nr. 1 and those of their friends at nr. 2 and beyond.
Eve Guardian should've made their own top 5 and then post it here to avoid such utter utter bias.
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DoctorGonzo
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Posted - 2004.07.09 11:46:00 -
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I can't believe those threads have been flamed into being locked already. I was looking forward to writing testimonials for each of the candidates today, logged on to find them locked and 'un-stickied'.
What is wrong with you people?
Trollers and flamers please please have a reality check and stop spoiling the forums for everyone else. Every thread in this section seems to end up being flamed into submission - ItÆs got to stop.
The Eve - Guardian awards were the 'people' awards, what the people of Eve think. Granted NORAD has been a quiet alliance going about their business and not always being active on the forums, that doesn't mean NORAD members couldn't vote for what has influenced them personally in their first year of Eve. Isn't that what the 'people' awards is about what has influenced them personally?
Anyway, I'm a bit sick of these forums at the moment so I'll take a leaf out of DB Preachers book and remove it from my favourites.
DG out
Black Nova Corporation COO |
DoctorGonzo
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Posted - 2004.07.09 11:46:00 -
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I can't believe those threads have been flamed into being locked already. I was looking forward to writing testimonials for each of the candidates today, logged on to find them locked and 'un-stickied'.
What is wrong with you people?
Trollers and flamers please please have a reality check and stop spoiling the forums for everyone else. Every thread in this section seems to end up being flamed into submission - ItÆs got to stop.
The Eve - Guardian awards were the 'people' awards, what the people of Eve think. Granted NORAD has been a quiet alliance going about their business and not always being active on the forums, that doesn't mean NORAD members couldn't vote for what has influenced them personally in their first year of Eve. Isn't that what the 'people' awards is about what has influenced them personally?
Anyway, I'm a bit sick of these forums at the moment so I'll take a leaf out of DB Preachers book and remove it from my favourites.
DG out
Black Nova Corporation COO |
darth solo
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Posted - 2004.07.09 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kulach
Well Darth, with above comment you are also making sure the flames will continue.
You must know by now that the only way to avoid flames is to ignore them.
u are correct, but i dont like taking crap everyday and not having my say.. if we did, this would turn into a game where the smack talking kiddies get their way.. and the good folks just sit back and take it...
ppl want to turn this game into a cheast beating contest, i say go with the flow, and give as good as u take .
d solo.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.07.09 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kulach
Well Darth, with above comment you are also making sure the flames will continue.
You must know by now that the only way to avoid flames is to ignore them.
u are correct, but i dont like taking crap everyday and not having my say.. if we did, this would turn into a game where the smack talking kiddies get their way.. and the good folks just sit back and take it...
ppl want to turn this game into a cheast beating contest, i say go with the flow, and give as good as u take.
d solo.
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Paul Lebaue
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Posted - 2004.07.09 12:43:00 -
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I fail to see how this could have been planned better. I have seen lists drawn up before in here and elsewere on this boards with less finesse or "plan". Whom successfully made it. Granted I think this was one of the most extensive one I seen. But I expected nothing less considering who was behind it all. Wasted effort? I would say not.. It gave a few of us whom find this type of thing more entertaining something else to read about then the regular, ongoing jabber of a chosen few. I think the only main factor is Shar's belief of hearing everyone and anyone out no matter their opinion. And by the looks of it most of those talkers were mostly the one's whom felt offended by the list one way or another. There is a limit to how much stuff anyone can take before they react out of their normal behaviour. Even for people like Shar.
Allthough it saddens me that Shar had to go trough all of this, it still amusing to see how seriously some take this list in such a way that they take offense not being nominated. I been out of the academy for more then a year now. Can people tell? Only if they look at my info. Does this mean that most pilots out there know me? Hardly considering how many Elite pilots there is out there in Eve. I be suprised if even 0.5% even aknowledge my existance. The only people whom I would seek out recognition from would be the people from my own group "Freelancing Corp" and the close friends we have whom we have a constant contact with and anyone else whom I learned to respect and hold in high regard. Everyone else outside of that can voice their opinions as much as they want. As long as they dont belong to the mentioned few their opinions matters very little if at all....
Shar knows she holds my respect and my friendship and I am sure the others in our own little Freelancer community would say the same.
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Paul Lebaue
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Posted - 2004.07.09 12:43:00 -
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I fail to see how this could have been planned better. I have seen lists drawn up before in here and elsewere on this boards with less finesse or "plan". Whom successfully made it. Granted I think this was one of the most extensive one I seen. But I expected nothing less considering who was behind it all. Wasted effort? I would say not.. It gave a few of us whom find this type of thing more entertaining something else to read about then the regular, ongoing jabber of a chosen few. I think the only main factor is Shar's belief of hearing everyone and anyone out no matter their opinion. And by the looks of it most of those talkers were mostly the one's whom felt offended by the list one way or another. There is a limit to how much stuff anyone can take before they react out of their normal behaviour. Even for people like Shar.
Allthough it saddens me that Shar had to go trough all of this, it still amusing to see how seriously some take this list in such a way that they take offense not being nominated. I been out of the academy for more then a year now. Can people tell? Only if they look at my info. Does this mean that most pilots out there know me? Hardly considering how many Elite pilots there is out there in Eve. I be suprised if even 0.5% even aknowledge my existance. The only people whom I would seek out recognition from would be the people from my own group "Freelancing Corp" and the close friends we have whom we have a constant contact with and anyone else whom I learned to respect and hold in high regard. Everyone else outside of that can voice their opinions as much as they want. As long as they dont belong to the mentioned few their opinions matters very little if at all....
Shar knows she holds my respect and my friendship and I am sure the others in our own little Freelancer community would say the same.
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.07.09 12:46:00 -
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I have no idea what got said as I was asleep and I'm glad I was.
Tbh the only way to stop this stuff is to permaban the worst offenders from the game. Not the forums, the game. Track the alts as well and kick them. Let's see if a few weeks of killing tinkle fairies or whatever in L2 make them a bit more civil.
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.07.09 12:46:00 -
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I have no idea what got said as I was asleep and I'm glad I was.
Tbh the only way to stop this stuff is to permaban the worst offenders from the game. Not the forums, the game. Track the alts as well and kick them. Let's see if a few weeks of killing tinkle fairies or whatever in L2 make them a bit more civil.
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Kelly O'Connor
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Posted - 2004.07.09 13:44:00 -
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I havent seen eye to eye with Shar a lot, but respect for taking the time to even try do this.
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Kelly O'Connor
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Posted - 2004.07.09 13:44:00 -
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I havent seen eye to eye with Shar a lot, but respect for taking the time to even try do this.
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Corin Raven
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Posted - 2004.07.09 14:07:00 -
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Aye, I think this deserves better respect.
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Proud Captain of the CRS Loki-II (Rupture Class) |
Corin Raven
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Posted - 2004.07.09 14:07:00 -
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Aye, I think this deserves better respect.
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Proud Captain of the CRS Loki-II (Rupture Class) |
Jexter
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Posted - 2004.07.09 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Maud Dib
Tbh the only way to stop this stuff is to permaban the worst offenders from the game. Not the forums, the game. Track the alts as well and kick them. Let's see if a few weeks of killing tinkle fairies or whatever in L2 make them a bit more civil.
Hear Hear.
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Jexter
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Posted - 2004.07.09 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Maud Dib
Tbh the only way to stop this stuff is to permaban the worst offenders from the game. Not the forums, the game. Track the alts as well and kick them. Let's see if a few weeks of killing tinkle fairies or whatever in L2 make them a bit more civil.
Hear Hear.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.07.09 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Maud Dib
Tbh the only way to stop this stuff is to permaban the worst offenders from the game. Not the forums, the game. Track the alts as well and kick them. Let's see if a few weeks of killing tinkle fairies or whatever in L2 make them a bit more civil.
I quite agree. Some of these people just do not deserve to be part of this community.
As for people like Shar trying to give something positive and fun to the community like Eve Gaurdian and like these top 10 posts - DON'T LET THE IDIOTS STOP YOU! Keep it up please and let those people with enough sense to appreciate it still enjoy themselves.
Flamers and haters need to go and only CCP can sort that out because we clearly can't trust those individuals to police themselves.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.07.09 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Maud Dib
Tbh the only way to stop this stuff is to permaban the worst offenders from the game. Not the forums, the game. Track the alts as well and kick them. Let's see if a few weeks of killing tinkle fairies or whatever in L2 make them a bit more civil.
I quite agree. Some of these people just do not deserve to be part of this community.
As for people like Shar trying to give something positive and fun to the community like Eve Gaurdian and like these top 10 posts - DON'T LET THE IDIOTS STOP YOU! Keep it up please and let those people with enough sense to appreciate it still enjoy themselves.
Flamers and haters need to go and only CCP can sort that out because we clearly can't trust those individuals to police themselves.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Earthan
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Posted - 2004.07.09 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Zhuge Liang
In case anyone is wondering what all the fuss is about, what you see down there now are the cleaned up versions that have been locked.
I appreciate contributions to the community and this was a welcome break from all the flames that have come from the regional wars up North.
Personal attacks will not be tolerated. Flamers and trolls will be zhugefied on sight.
I have no idea where the hate comes from but you all need to stop it and remember this is a game called EVE.
zhugefied on sight.
lol love it
Stars, stars like dust, all around me.... |
Earthan
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Posted - 2004.07.09 14:54:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Zhuge Liang
In case anyone is wondering what all the fuss is about, what you see down there now are the cleaned up versions that have been locked.
I appreciate contributions to the community and this was a welcome break from all the flames that have come from the regional wars up North.
Personal attacks will not be tolerated. Flamers and trolls will be zhugefied on sight.
I have no idea where the hate comes from but you all need to stop it and remember this is a game called EVE.
zhugefied on sight.
lol love it
Stars, stars like dust, all around me.... |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.07.09 14:55:00 -
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Regarding the behavior in question I have only this to say. Tried to keep the hyperbole to a minimum but hey... it's one of the major tools in a writer's toolkit.
Regarding the lists, popularity, and what not. Eve Guardian does have it's own list. No matter what they publication there will always be "Editor's Pick". Many publications try to be fair by allowing the readers, the people, to also involve themselves in the process as well.
Often enough they do breakdown into popularity contests. But equally it creates the opportunity for some "unsung" heroes to be noted for their acheivements as well.
I am far from all knowing and so is the collective staff of Eve Guardian. And getting information is regularly a chore indeed.
So truly I =now= have a list of people worth looking at. Not just the Top 10, which I had hoped to interveiw each and everyone of them. But a rather lengthy list of 237 different people and groups to seek out and try to interview them. A grand list of the community's "who's-who" that we have never really had.
Futhermore, from the mouths of the veterans, who have been there and done that, we have the displaying of old histories, alleigances, and friends. Many of whom are no longer with us to speak for themselves.
From the mouths of the vibrant upstarts, those who are only just coming into their prime as pilots, sharing with us who rocks their world, inspires them, and is part and parcel of their "pop" culture.
This is a culmination of one of my personal goals when I joined Eve Guardian. To help to shine the light on those who are often not given enough credit. Be it from lack of knowledge by those of us who can do that or by the rampant use of the word "pirate", and other labels.
So truly, when I said that I had gotten what I was after... I meant it.
And a lesson to all that find their threads, their thoughts, being sullied by trolling and what not. It is far better to ask a mod to lock the thread then to watch as others destroy it.
It =is= my ball and if necessary I'll deflate the darned thing myself to keep someone else from twisting it beyond recognition. I will not let my efforts be co-opted for someone else's sick delights. You want to have someplace to air your foul mutterings... go make one becuase you will never have mine. Period.
Scorched earth is a horrible policy indeed. But sometimes it is the only graceful way to win even in the face of defeat.
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.07.09 14:55:00 -
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Regarding the behavior in question I have only this to say. Tried to keep the hyperbole to a minimum but hey... it's one of the major tools in a writer's toolkit.
Regarding the lists, popularity, and what not. Eve Guardian does have it's own list. No matter what they publication there will always be "Editor's Pick". Many publications try to be fair by allowing the readers, the people, to also involve themselves in the process as well.
Often enough they do breakdown into popularity contests. But equally it creates the opportunity for some "unsung" heroes to be noted for their acheivements as well.
I am far from all knowing and so is the collective staff of Eve Guardian. And getting information is regularly a chore indeed.
So truly I =now= have a list of people worth looking at. Not just the Top 10, which I had hoped to interveiw each and everyone of them. But a rather lengthy list of 237 different people and groups to seek out and try to interview them. A grand list of the community's "who's-who" that we have never really had.
Futhermore, from the mouths of the veterans, who have been there and done that, we have the displaying of old histories, alleigances, and friends. Many of whom are no longer with us to speak for themselves.
From the mouths of the vibrant upstarts, those who are only just coming into their prime as pilots, sharing with us who rocks their world, inspires them, and is part and parcel of their "pop" culture.
This is a culmination of one of my personal goals when I joined Eve Guardian. To help to shine the light on those who are often not given enough credit. Be it from lack of knowledge by those of us who can do that or by the rampant use of the word "pirate", and other labels.
So truly, when I said that I had gotten what I was after... I meant it.
And a lesson to all that find their threads, their thoughts, being sullied by trolling and what not. It is far better to ask a mod to lock the thread then to watch as others destroy it.
It =is= my ball and if necessary I'll deflate the darned thing myself to keep someone else from twisting it beyond recognition. I will not let my efforts be co-opted for someone else's sick delights. You want to have someplace to air your foul mutterings... go make one becuase you will never have mine. Period.
Scorched earth is a horrible policy indeed. But sometimes it is the only graceful way to win even in the face of defeat.
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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LLeBRing
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Posted - 2004.07.09 15:39:00 -
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Edited by: LLeBRing on 09/07/2004 18:23:00
First off this idea was great and would be a great testamet to the people and corporation who had worked so hard to fullfill their desired roles in EVE. However a few things did go wrong and its a shame that most of the trolls got in.
There were many other corps however who have influenced EVE in this 1 year then some of those mentioned and i'm sad that they aren't on there.
BIG - Awesome guys and do so much for the EVE community and has had there influenced established since the begining of the game. More notably with their lottery that has even been the subject in the EVE storyline
Sinister - Enough said, these guys should be on it for all the pain and torment they caused the EVE universe
RUS - NUFF SAID!
Biomass Cartel - Come on, they were "disputably" the most feared and powerful single corp in the game during their time. They were M3G4, but newer, better, and with the same people. Every pirate who was a pirate wanted to be in Biomass Cartel. They single handedly, one corp, put such a hurting on the northern regions its ridiculous
There are a few more corps as well. I just feel its a shame that some of the current trolls are newer to the game and as such get a larger say in something like this.
Techell - Love them or hate them, they were the first to corner the market and still disputably are with their unbelievable uncanny ability to succeed in a world where so many exist. They were the first to have all BS original bp's (I believe anyway) and just dominated and influenced the game so much in the begining and still do to this day (although not as much)
No offence to the newer corps on that list, but you really don't belong there.
I'm sorry that the newer members of EVE can't remember what shaped EVE to what it is today.
This is not a rant, but if I were to do the list again I would make the voting process last longer and would hope to see the following corps mentioned
TTI
PIE
Techell
m0o
Biomass Cartel(m3g4)
Jericho Fraction
RONA (Includes KIA, RONA-KIA, RONA Corporation)
Omega Corp
Xanadu
BIG
and then you have corps like MASS, Celes, Reikoku, VOTF, and so many others that also currently shape the EVE Universe
I don't know, I just feel as if those who deserve more were cheated by newbie forum *****s...
The peoples one isn't bad, but peeps like Notferr and blacklight don't even compare to those that actually influence EVE like TankCEO and everyones love pirate, Drunkenmaster.
Gods, just seriously wished those who deserved it got actually had a chance!
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LLeBRing
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Posted - 2004.07.09 15:39:00 -
[44]
Edited by: LLeBRing on 09/07/2004 18:23:00
First off this idea was great and would be a great testamet to the people and corporation who had worked so hard to fullfill their desired roles in EVE. However a few things did go wrong and its a shame that most of the trolls got in.
There were many other corps however who have influenced EVE in this 1 year then some of those mentioned and i'm sad that they aren't on there.
BIG - Awesome guys and do so much for the EVE community and has had there influenced established since the begining of the game. More notably with their lottery that has even been the subject in the EVE storyline
Sinister - Enough said, these guys should be on it for all the pain and torment they caused the EVE universe
RUS - NUFF SAID!
Biomass Cartel - Come on, they were "disputably" the most feared and powerful single corp in the game during their time. They were M3G4, but newer, better, and with the same people. Every pirate who was a pirate wanted to be in Biomass Cartel. They single handedly, one corp, put such a hurting on the northern regions its ridiculous
There are a few more corps as well. I just feel its a shame that some of the current trolls are newer to the game and as such get a larger say in something like this.
Techell - Love them or hate them, they were the first to corner the market and still disputably are with their unbelievable uncanny ability to succeed in a world where so many exist. They were the first to have all BS original bp's (I believe anyway) and just dominated and influenced the game so much in the begining and still do to this day (although not as much)
No offence to the newer corps on that list, but you really don't belong there.
I'm sorry that the newer members of EVE can't remember what shaped EVE to what it is today.
This is not a rant, but if I were to do the list again I would make the voting process last longer and would hope to see the following corps mentioned
TTI
PIE
Techell
m0o
Biomass Cartel(m3g4)
Jericho Fraction
RONA (Includes KIA, RONA-KIA, RONA Corporation)
Omega Corp
Xanadu
BIG
and then you have corps like MASS, Celes, Reikoku, VOTF, and so many others that also currently shape the EVE Universe
I don't know, I just feel as if those who deserve more were cheated by newbie forum *****s...
The peoples one isn't bad, but peeps like Notferr and blacklight don't even compare to those that actually influence EVE like TankCEO and everyones love pirate, Drunkenmaster.
Gods, just seriously wished those who deserved it got actually had a chance!
Nuttin but corn bread en chicken for this fella |
Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.07.09 15:51:00 -
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If people think they could have done a better job, feel free to start your own election. I remember a while back ago someone would start a Corporation Recognition Test thread. It also attracked alot of flames at first but no one seemed to do a better job and later on the community left the threads along except for constructive comments.
Hopefully we can have that same mentality when it comes to EG elections. Or it can be posted in the Intergalactic Summit
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.07.09 15:51:00 -
[46]
If people think they could have done a better job, feel free to start your own election. I remember a while back ago someone would start a Corporation Recognition Test thread. It also attracked alot of flames at first but no one seemed to do a better job and later on the community left the threads along except for constructive comments.
Hopefully we can have that same mentality when it comes to EG elections. Or it can be posted in the Intergalactic Summit
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Stavros
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Posted - 2004.07.09 15:56:00 -
[47]
TBH this is a stupid idea and involves something of double standards. There have been many attempts to publish threads about whose corp is best, vote for favourite person, best pvp corp etc and what do they all have in common, oh thats right they all end in flame fest rubbish.
Yet yesterday the mods deamed it ok to allow like 10 of these threads to not only EXIST on the forums but to be stickied which I suppose is their perogative. HOWEVER to see people moan and winge with surprise when these threads degenerate into flame filled genital length wars is just AMAZING, I mean REALLY what did you expect? Haven't you ever SEEN one of these posts before?
Only way to solve it is either to completely stop free discussion and expression on the corp board or maybe to move it to the ig board but even then its a rather pointless excercise imho.
I think the mods should do the same thing they do with every other post of this ilk and just lock it and stop it running, they are a bad bad bad idea.
I am right.
Stavros
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"Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You" |
Stavros
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Posted - 2004.07.09 15:56:00 -
[48]
TBH this is a stupid idea and involves something of double standards. There have been many attempts to publish threads about whose corp is best, vote for favourite person, best pvp corp etc and what do they all have in common, oh thats right they all end in flame fest rubbish.
Yet yesterday the mods deamed it ok to allow like 10 of these threads to not only EXIST on the forums but to be stickied which I suppose is their perogative. HOWEVER to see people moan and winge with surprise when these threads degenerate into flame filled genital length wars is just AMAZING, I mean REALLY what did you expect? Haven't you ever SEEN one of these posts before?
Only way to solve it is either to completely stop free discussion and expression on the corp board or maybe to move it to the ig board but even then its a rather pointless excercise imho.
I think the mods should do the same thing they do with every other post of this ilk and just lock it and stop it running, they are a bad bad bad idea.
I am right.
Stavros
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"Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You" |
Hardin
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Posted - 2004.07.09 16:32:00 -
[49]
Stavros
I know you are just stirring once again which seems to be your speciality these days so I will keep this short.
Not all of these threads degenerate into flame filled rubbish - all you need to do is look back at some of Wren's Corporation Recognition test posts to see that.
If people make an effort then these thing CAN work. It was just sad that no one did in this case!
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Hardin
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Posted - 2004.07.09 16:32:00 -
[50]
Stavros
I know you are just stirring once again which seems to be your speciality these days so I will keep this short.
Not all of these threads degenerate into flame filled rubbish - all you need to do is look back at some of Wren's Corporation Recognition test posts to see that.
If people make an effort then these thing CAN work. It was just sad that no one did in this case!
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.07.09 17:14:00 -
[51]
The stickies were temporary stickies, and would have been unstuck the following day. They were stuck to keep it all in one place and not spread across 2 pages.
It is sad to see what happend and hopefully it won't happen again because people are free to have polls when it is within the forum rules.
I'm sure all parties learned a lesson or two and perhaps next time things will be different.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.07.09 17:14:00 -
[52]
The stickies were temporary stickies, and would have been unstuck the following day. They were stuck to keep it all in one place and not spread across 2 pages.
It is sad to see what happend and hopefully it won't happen again because people are free to have polls when it is within the forum rules.
I'm sure all parties learned a lesson or two and perhaps next time things will be different.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.07.09 17:22:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Eris Discordia
I'm sure all parties learned a lesson or two and perhaps next time things will be different.
Sorry but the only relevant lessons learned are:
"It is easier to complain about someone else's work then to do any of your own."
"Anyone in a position that can be attacked, be it with force or insinuation and trolling, will be. That is the nature of Eve."
Not to say that I disagree, nor agree, with either solution. However I have the resources to not be phased by the difficulties. The same resources that many other have access to, and use.
Eve Guardian.
PS: The raw data is up on EG. Look it over if you like. The list shows all the so-called "forgotten" people. This list is also going to be a master plan for interview requests over the following months. Of course it can only be according to availability as well, in recognition of pilots that no longer grace us with their presence.
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.07.09 17:22:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Eris Discordia
I'm sure all parties learned a lesson or two and perhaps next time things will be different.
Sorry but the only relevant lessons learned are:
"It is easier to complain about someone else's work then to do any of your own."
"Anyone in a position that can be attacked, be it with force or insinuation and trolling, will be. That is the nature of Eve."
Not to say that I disagree, nor agree, with either solution. However I have the resources to not be phased by the difficulties. The same resources that many other have access to, and use.
Eve Guardian.
PS: The raw data is up on EG. Look it over if you like. The list shows all the so-called "forgotten" people. This list is also going to be a master plan for interview requests over the following months. Of course it can only be according to availability as well, in recognition of pilots that no longer grace us with their presence.
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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KIAPieman
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Posted - 2004.07.09 18:17:00 -
[55]
Edited by: KIAPieman on 09/07/2004 18:19:24
Edited by: KIAPieman on 09/07/2004 18:18:35
Well has anyone thought of writing a timeline history for the player stories of eve. it would be a hard task but imagine how much more enthralling it wold make it for the new players in the next year, to see the legends of all these events and think "wow i wish i was about when xyz happened" we have such a rich tapestry of history for this gameand we should celebrate it much much more. a lont time ago i wrote the history of venal. and a few others will have internal forums with news and posts about what has happened. come on guys and gals, lets get together and remenice of times past and friends lost
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KIAPieman
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Posted - 2004.07.09 18:17:00 -
[56]
Edited by: KIAPieman on 09/07/2004 18:19:24
Edited by: KIAPieman on 09/07/2004 18:18:35
Well has anyone thought of writing a timeline history for the player stories of eve. it would be a hard task but imagine how much more enthralling it wold make it for the new players in the next year, to see the legends of all these events and think "wow i wish i was about when xyz happened" we have such a rich tapestry of history for this gameand we should celebrate it much much more. a lont time ago i wrote the history of venal. and a few others will have internal forums with news and posts about what has happened. come on guys and gals, lets get together and remenice of times past and friends lost
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.07.09 18:48:00 -
[57]
Any list that had me in it wasn't worth posting anyway............
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.07.09 18:48:00 -
[58]
Any list that had me in it wasn't worth posting anyway............
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Rizmordan Hillgotlieb
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Posted - 2004.07.09 18:52:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Maud Dib
I have no idea what got said as I was asleep and I'm glad I was.
Tbh the only way to stop this stuff is to permaban the worst offenders from the game. Not the forums, the game. Track the alts as well and kick them. Let's see if a few weeks of killing tinkle fairies or whatever in L2 make them a bit more civil.
Bloody Fairies? 
Posting for Numbnutz |
Rizmordan Hillgotlieb
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Posted - 2004.07.09 18:52:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Maud Dib
I have no idea what got said as I was asleep and I'm glad I was.
Tbh the only way to stop this stuff is to permaban the worst offenders from the game. Not the forums, the game. Track the alts as well and kick them. Let's see if a few weeks of killing tinkle fairies or whatever in L2 make them a bit more civil.
Bloody Fairies?
Posting for Numbnutz |
Powder
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Posted - 2004.07.09 19:12:00 -
[61]
Originally by: LLeBRing
Edited by: LLeBRing on 09/07/2004 18:23:00
I'm sorry that the newer members of EVE can't remember what shaped EVE to what it is today.
Not trying to flame, but what your saying sort of is that new people shouldnt be allowed to vote because they havnt been around for the whole year? im not gonna dispute the fact that there are more important corps out there then some of the ones listed, but at what point do you let some of the older corps taht maybe are not as active anymore float off into history and let new ones come up?
it just seems that only older players are allowed to make the call and new players arent allowed to voice what they think.
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Powder
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Posted - 2004.07.09 19:12:00 -
[62]
Originally by: LLeBRing
Edited by: LLeBRing on 09/07/2004 18:23:00
I'm sorry that the newer members of EVE can't remember what shaped EVE to what it is today.
Not trying to flame, but what your saying sort of is that new people shouldnt be allowed to vote because they havnt been around for the whole year? im not gonna dispute the fact that there are more important corps out there then some of the ones listed, but at what point do you let some of the older corps taht maybe are not as active anymore float off into history and let new ones come up?
it just seems that only older players are allowed to make the call and new players arent allowed to voice what they think.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.07.09 19:17:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Powder
it just seems that only older players are allowed to make the call and new players arent allowed to voice what they think.
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Futhermore, from the mouths of the veterans, who have been there and done that, we have the displaying of old histories, alleigances, and friends. Many of whom are no longer with us to speak for themselves.
From the mouths of the vibrant upstarts, those who are only just coming into their prime as pilots, sharing with us who rocks their world, inspires them, and is part and parcel of their "pop" culture.
I wouldn't necessarily say that.
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.07.09 19:17:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Powder
it just seems that only older players are allowed to make the call and new players arent allowed to voice what they think.
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Futhermore, from the mouths of the veterans, who have been there and done that, we have the displaying of old histories, alleigances, and friends. Many of whom are no longer with us to speak for themselves.
From the mouths of the vibrant upstarts, those who are only just coming into their prime as pilots, sharing with us who rocks their world, inspires them, and is part and parcel of their "pop" culture.
I wouldn't necessarily say that.
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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Powder
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Posted - 2004.07.09 19:22:00 -
[65]
i think ill shutup now, sorry
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Powder
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Posted - 2004.07.09 19:22:00 -
[66]
i think ill shutup now, sorry
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.07.09 20:03:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Powder
i think ill shutup now, sorry
Well if you'd like my suggestion... don't shut up.
Yell a bit louder. Howl at the frickin moon if you really want to do so.
I'll sit back and smile at someone doing that. Express your thoughts, fight for those things you think right. And just becuase you found that someone agrees with you... don't stop fighting for those things.
The point you brought up is very pertinent becuase the "new" people are only "us", the veterans, that existed a year ago or less. Just becuase we've been here longer doesn't mean that we are any more right then someone just coming in.
So....
Howl at the moon!!!!
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.07.09 20:03:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Powder
i think ill shutup now, sorry
Well if you'd like my suggestion... don't shut up.
Yell a bit louder. Howl at the frickin moon if you really want to do so.
I'll sit back and smile at someone doing that. Express your thoughts, fight for those things you think right. And just becuase you found that someone agrees with you... don't stop fighting for those things.
The point you brought up is very pertinent becuase the "new" people are only "us", the veterans, that existed a year ago or less. Just becuase we've been here longer doesn't mean that we are any more right then someone just coming in.
So....
Howl at the moon!!!!
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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