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Kauschovar Task Force The Servant Brothers of EVE	Posted - 2008.11.19 22:56:00 - [1] I wonder which one is more effective, the AN Omen or the Zealot in solo/small gang PvP(I don't fly Recon ships and Arbitrator is not my thing). Points to consider are that the AN Omen handles quite a bit better and also has better DPS (including drones), whilst the Zealot has way better tank (active but also more EHP if you use a buffer tank), not to mention the range bonus ... In terms of cost ... Zealot is cheaper ... in terms of looks .... hard to beat the AN Omen :) What you think?
Sarciss Black Legion Command	Posted - 2008.11.19 22:57:00 - [2] Zealot, everytime. ------------ A living being seeks above all else to discharge its strength. - "Beyond good and evil"
Moonbat Indabrane Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.19 23:04:00 - [3] Edited by: Moonbat Indabrane on 19/11/2008 23:05:10 OFN twitch!
Kauschovar Task Force The Servant Brothers of EVE	Posted - 2008.11.19 23:07:00 - [4] Originally by: Moonbat Indabrane [url="http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=928661" OFN[/url] Lol ... what are the chances ... thanks for redirecting me!
Yoko Lee Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.19 23:13:00 - [5] Omen navy, for sure : so much AS and fregate now then i prefer to have 5x warrior II. 5x focued med pulse II 1x 10mn mwd II, 1x small cap inj II, 1x disruptor II 1x 1600mm rt, 2x AN eanm, 1x dc II, 1x tracking enhancer II, 2x heat sink II 2x trimark rigs (19k armor with hg slave), 1x pg rigs 5x warrior II
Captain Falcord Gallente Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.11.19 23:13:00 - [6] I'd get this zealot for sniper / gang work, and this NOmen for punching people in the face. This way I'd make a good use of the Zealot's range bonus, and of the NOmen drones for tearing tacklers to pieces.
Graalum Interstellar eXodus Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.20 00:01:00 - [7] Edited by: Graalum on 20/11/2008 00:00:45 wait... omen has a drone bay? OMG i've been doing it all wrong
Yoko Lee Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.20 00:22:00 - [8] Originally by: Graalum Edited by: Graalum on 20/11/2008 00:00:45 wait... omen has a drone bay? OMG i've been doing it all wrong Omen navy yep
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis	Posted - 2008.11.20 00:24:00 - [9] Originally by: Captain Falcord I'd get this zealot for sniper / gang work, and this NOmen for punching people in the face. This way I'd make a good use of the Zealot's range bonus, and of the NOmen drones for tearing tacklers to pieces. Good lord, 5 heat sinks on that sniper Zealot?
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.11.20 02:53:00 - [10] Originally by: Yoko Lee Originally by: Graalum Edited by: Graalum on 20/11/2008 00:00:45 wait... omen has a drone bay? OMG i've been doing it all wrong Omen navy yep So does the regular omen actually, although it's a mere 15m3. Here's my take on it: Gangs: bring a Zealot, it's cheaper and the range bonus helps a LOT, plus not having to worry about drones is a + in my book. Solo: Omen Navy Issue; drone bay lets you choose between 5x light ECM and 5x warrior II, both of which are good, plus you have a utility high for a nos (if you want to run your stuff longer) or a neut (if you want to chase things off of you). also, lol 5 heat sinks and the locus rigs which are stacking nerfed now :P
Darkeen Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.20 02:58:00 - [11] Edited by: Darkeen on 20/11/2008 02:59:42 Edited by: Darkeen on 20/11/2008 02:58:26 Yeah, defintely overkill considering the Optimum range for thurrets is greater than the range the Zealot can reach! Loose a Heat sink or two for a Tracking Enhancer and you'll have a spare low slot and can reach out to 160KM's with the turrets! (140 Optimum + 2xFallout of 10 = 163KM's max range) Personally, I'd loose the Tracking Computer and insert a MWD and get up to 1250m/s and loose the two rigs - the penalty for having them is greater than the benefit....
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.11.20 03:00:00 - [12] Originally by: Darkeen Edited by: Darkeen on 20/11/2008 02:58:26 Yeah, defintely overkill considering the Optimum range for thurrets is greater than the range the Zealot can reach! Loose a Heat sink or two for a Tracking Enhancer and you'll have a spare low slot and can reach out to 160KM's with the turrets! (140 Optimum + 2xFallout of 10 = 163KM's max range) 1: it's falloff 2: You can scratch paint at 160, you can deal less than half damage at 150. 3: You can't reach that much optimal anymore since locus rigs now stack properly with TEs
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.11.20 05:51:00 - [13] Originally by: Sarciss Zealot, everytime. Agreed. The Zealot is superior in every respect when compared to the AN Omen. It shoots further, hits harder and absorbs more damage. All the AN Omen has is that sweet paint scheme. Really, I don't generally see a use for most of the faction ships. Yes the AN Omen is superior to the standard omen and could provide a fierce opponent for most other T1 cruisers it's staggering cost just doesn't justify the marginal improvement in performance. Maybe if some FW activities take place in deadspace areas that allow cruisers but not HAC's, but having avoided that particular activity like the plague I wouldn't know if such a scenario exists.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.11.20 06:07:00 - [14] Navy omen is ALOT better for solo. All it takes is a ceptor to web, scram and kill a solo zealot.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.11.20 06:14:00 - [15] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Navy omen is ALOT better for solo. All it takes is a ceptor to web, scram and kill a solo zealot. Against my better instincts I'll agree. The zealot's lack of a drone bay means you're virtually defensless against interceptors and fast frigates in general. But I've never had a ship that I felt comfortable soloing in anyway (yes, I know the drake can do the job well and all that jazz . . . ) so I generally don't consider the solo PVP viability anyway. Plus, last I heard, FW was pretty blob friendly, meaning flying solo is the same thing as politely asking for your insurance payout.
Terraform Gallente Recreation Of The World	Posted - 2008.11.20 07:21:00 - [16] i'd go for the navy omen as well. Mostly because i can't be arsed to train th HAC skills.
Cpt Constantinus Celestial Janissaries	Posted - 2008.11.20 08:45:00 - [17] For solo work the navy Omen and for everything else the Zealot.
Davina Braben	Posted - 2008.11.20 08:46:00 - [18] The AN Omen also gets into some plexes the Zealot can't.
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance	Posted - 2008.11.20 10:54:00 - [19] Originally by: Terraform i'd go for the navy omen as well. Mostly because i can't be arsed to train th HAC skills. I would go as far to say that you shouldn't be in a navy cruiser without HAC skills.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2008.11.20 11:20:00 - [20] Zealot's oomph factor and range with heavy pulses makes it a given in general PvP. They both suffer at the moment due to the insane amount of ECM on the battlefield .. it is hard to sacrifice a midslot or two without them losing a lot of their appeal. For FW I would go for the NOmen (Pwn'em) .. it can enter medium sites which are a lot more common than the majors a Zealot is restricted to, consider squeezing a small smartbomb in there as the stupidly O.P. Ruptures will throw ecm-drones at you every chance they get (bloddy hate ruppies, way too much grid!)
bldyannoyed Killed In Action Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2008.11.20 12:03:00 - [21] Originally by: Captain Falcord I'd get this zealot for sniper / gang work, and this NOmen for punching people in the face. This way I'd make a good use of the Zealot's range bonus, and of the NOmen drones for tearing tacklers to pieces. Dude, that Nomen setup sucks. It has no range and is virtually immobile. CPU issues have forced you to fit a 20km point which makes the AB fit even more LOL, as the only chance you actually have of being able to do any damage at all is to get inside web range and shut down your targets MWD. Only you cant because a) you're slow as **** and b) you don't have a scrambler fitted. The first MWD fitted BC (which is all of them) that finds you will turn you into a comedy killmail, and the first HAC with an MWD, or in the Vagas case an AB (also quite LOL) will rip to you pieces in short order.
Captain Falcord Gallente Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.11.20 12:33:00 - [22] Originally by: bldyannoyed Originally by: Captain Falcord I'd get this zealot for sniper / gang work, and this NOmen for punching people in the face. This way I'd make a good use of the Zealot's range bonus, and of the NOmen drones for tearing tacklers to pieces. Dude, that Nomen setup sucks. It has no range and is virtually immobile. CPU issues have forced you to fit a 20km point which makes the AB fit even more LOL, as the only chance you actually have of being able to do any damage at all is to get inside web range and shut down your targets MWD. Only you cant because a) you're slow as **** and b) you don't have a scrambler fitted. The first MWD fitted BC (which is all of them) that finds you will turn you into a comedy killmail, and the first HAC with an MWD, or in the Vagas case an AB (also quite LOL) will rip to you pieces in short order. Man, please check your facts, that's not a 20km point. You just made a fool of yourself. And it's not supposed to be a solo ship, with enough tacklers by your side I don't think it would be that much of a comedy ;). ---<---@ JackFalcord
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.11.20 16:50:00 - [23] Originally by: TimMc Originally by: Terraform i'd go for the navy omen as well. Mostly because i can't be arsed to train th HAC skills. I would go as far to say that you shouldn't be in a navy cruiser without HAC skills. I don't know if i agree with this. I'd say you need cruiser V to justify the expense - afterall you're return over the baseline model is fairly slim considering the dramatic price difference. But, by the same token I'd also advocate having high support and weapon skills as well. Really, the only part I disagree with is the simple fact that there is no need for the actualy HAC skill itself given that it doesn't further the capabilities of the ship (obviously).
bldyannoyed Killed In Action Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2008.11.20 22:52:00 - [24] Edited by: bldyannoyed on 20/11/2008 22:55:37 Originally by: Captain Falcord Originally by: bldyannoyed Originally by: Captain Falcord I'd get this zealot for sniper / gang work, and this NOmen for punching people in the face. This way I'd make a good use of the Zealot's range bonus, and of the NOmen drones for tearing tacklers to pieces. Dude, that Nomen setup sucks. It has no range and is virtually immobile. CPU issues have forced you to fit a 20km point which makes the AB fit even more LOL, as the only chance you actually have of being able to do any damage at all is to get inside web range and shut down your targets MWD. Only you cant because a) you're slow as ** and b) you don't have a scrambler fitted. The first MWD fitted BC (which is all of them) that finds you will turn you into a comedy killmail, and the first HAC with an MWD, or in the Vagas case an AB (also quite LOL) will rip to you pieces in short order. Man, please check your facts, that's not a 20km point. You just made a fool of yourself. And it's not supposed to be a solo ship, with enough tacklers by your side I don't think it would be that much of a comedy ;). Way to undermine yourself. So I slipped up on the stupidly named warp scramblers. You on the other hand specifically said "I would get this Zealot for gang work" and then justify the sucky Nomen fit by saying it's supposed to be in a gang with a load of tacklers. So which is the gang ship, the Zealot or the Nomen? Because if we're talking about a gang where I don't have to worry about tacklers/tackling/speed or agility i'll take a Heavy Pulse Zealot (with more ehp and more range) and blow that Nomen to pieces. And if you are intending to use that Nomen solo, refer to my first point, "You're slow as **".
The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2008.11.20 23:00:00 - [25] Edited by: The Djego on 20/11/2008 23:04:25 I own both, personaly I would say AN Omen > Zealot for Solo, Dronebay and extra High Slot(for a Neut ) makes it very flexible and not as helpless as the Zealot in close Range fights(since i pick the Cap Booster over the Web personaly). Besides the Nomen setup sucks, go 800mm + Rep(2 HS Setup) far better if you spend some ISK and got a Cap Booster, you gain duability and better soloabilitys(since solo = Low Sec = 15 Minutes GTC). FMP vs HP + Optimal Bonus make the Zealot better for Gangs, especialy Hac Roaming Gangs or RR since the extra Resistances help you out here. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
Jodie Amille Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2008.11.20 23:11:00 - [26] Zealot for roaming gangs and major plexes. For medium plexes, just buy an arbi if you want to fly a cruiser. Navy Omen just paints a huge target on your back and you'll lose it quick. It's extras over the standard omen do not justify the higher-than-zealot cost at all.

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