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Quix
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Posted - 2004.07.09 10:39:00 -
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There should be more action, exciting meetings between players in 0.1 to 0.4 systems.
IMHO there is an easy way to get more action. More reward AND more risk, I will try to explain...
The only place pirates can operate nowadays are in the belts and at spawnplaces. BUT the difference in reward between mining in secure and unsecure space is not enough for the miniers to take the risk. The spawnplaces are not giving enough rewarding either for the NPC hunters, so they are also mostly empty nowadays.
I would say that the belts and spawnplaces would work fine for both sides with a higher reward for the miners and NPC hunters.
Nowadays there are a lot of agentrunners, labslot-occupants and their like in unsecure space. They are almost totally safe, wich lead to no excitement. So therefore there should be more risky to do things in UNSECURE empire space. I also suggest that there should be more addition in rewards in this also to get more people ther to run missions etc with bigger risks at hand.
First level up the rewards to get more people there.
To get more people taking higher risks, make it more lucrative in low sec space. I have a couple of possible solutions to do that:
1. Release lvl 4 and lvl 5 agents ONLY in space between 0.0 and 0.4. That will force agentrunners that want big rewards to operate there.
2. Base the reward for agentmissions on security level, less secure = more reward. More agentrunners.
3. Lower the number of labs in secure space, gets the lab rats out into unsecure. And also get a more spread market for BPC's.
4. Lower the number of factories in secure space, wold force the producers out to low sec space. The risk in transporting the goods from there would be an incentive to sell the things there and then we maybe could get the market to spread somewhere outside Yulai and the other big market systems. And we would get bigger differences in the different regions markets, and then maybe it would be profitable to be a trader again. Would possible also make more corp mining there because of the boring transporting of minerals.
5. Put better Ore there. Good enough to attract the mining corporations. Not as good as in 0.0 but something better than today.
6. Make a difference in refining. Make it rewarding to refine in unsecure compared to do that in secure space. Only keep low-yeield refinerys in secure space. Should force mining corps that want to earn big isk to leave secure space. Maybe we could see less strip mining then also... Maybe it will make them transporting the ore there to refine, but that will include some risk to loose the ore.
BUT! All that is useless if not the risk are not higher than today. It have to be less safe to get the better earnings in low security space (than secure space). Otherwise the excitement dissapear from this game (as it gradually has done outside 0.0 space)
1. Make it easier to camp gates and stations both make the sentry guns possible to dampen and lower the range of the sentrys. There is enough of ways out to low sec empire that those who are awake easy can avoid to go into a camped gate.
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Quix
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Posted - 2004.07.09 10:39:00 -
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There should be more action, exciting meetings between players in 0.1 to 0.4 systems.
IMHO there is an easy way to get more action. More reward AND more risk, I will try to explain...
The only place pirates can operate nowadays are in the belts and at spawnplaces. BUT the difference in reward between mining in secure and unsecure space is not enough for the miniers to take the risk. The spawnplaces are not giving enough rewarding either for the NPC hunters, so they are also mostly empty nowadays.
I would say that the belts and spawnplaces would work fine for both sides with a higher reward for the miners and NPC hunters.
Nowadays there are a lot of agentrunners, labslot-occupants and their like in unsecure space. They are almost totally safe, wich lead to no excitement. So therefore there should be more risky to do things in UNSECURE empire space. I also suggest that there should be more addition in rewards in this also to get more people ther to run missions etc with bigger risks at hand.
First level up the rewards to get more people there.
To get more people taking higher risks, make it more lucrative in low sec space. I have a couple of possible solutions to do that:
1. Release lvl 4 and lvl 5 agents ONLY in space between 0.0 and 0.4. That will force agentrunners that want big rewards to operate there.
2. Base the reward for agentmissions on security level, less secure = more reward. More agentrunners.
3. Lower the number of labs in secure space, gets the lab rats out into unsecure. And also get a more spread market for BPC's.
4. Lower the number of factories in secure space, wold force the producers out to low sec space. The risk in transporting the goods from there would be an incentive to sell the things there and then we maybe could get the market to spread somewhere outside Yulai and the other big market systems. And we would get bigger differences in the different regions markets, and then maybe it would be profitable to be a trader again. Would possible also make more corp mining there because of the boring transporting of minerals.
5. Put better Ore there. Good enough to attract the mining corporations. Not as good as in 0.0 but something better than today.
6. Make a difference in refining. Make it rewarding to refine in unsecure compared to do that in secure space. Only keep low-yeield refinerys in secure space. Should force mining corps that want to earn big isk to leave secure space. Maybe we could see less strip mining then also... Maybe it will make them transporting the ore there to refine, but that will include some risk to loose the ore.
BUT! All that is useless if not the risk are not higher than today. It have to be less safe to get the better earnings in low security space (than secure space). Otherwise the excitement dissapear from this game (as it gradually has done outside 0.0 space)
1. Make it easier to camp gates and stations both make the sentry guns possible to dampen and lower the range of the sentrys. There is enough of ways out to low sec empire that those who are awake easy can avoid to go into a camped gate.
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Gaijin Lanis
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Posted - 2004.07.09 10:50:00 -
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1.0 thourgh 0.1 is secure space. 0.0 is the only unsecure space. If you want more action, go there.
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Gaijin Lanis
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Posted - 2004.07.09 10:50:00 -
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1.0 thourgh 0.1 is secure space. 0.0 is the only unsecure space. If you want more action, go there.
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FoRGyL
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Posted - 2004.07.09 11:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Gaijin Lanis
1.0 thourgh 0.1 is secure space. 0.0 is the only unsecure space. If you want more action, go there.
Get a grip!
-out-
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Ohhhh iyayaayaya puff ohh iyaayaya puff puff
PVR =Player vs Roid! Burr, scary peps!!! |
FoRGyL
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Posted - 2004.07.09 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Gaijin Lanis
1.0 thourgh 0.1 is secure space. 0.0 is the only unsecure space. If you want more action, go there.
Get a grip!
-out-
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Ohhhh iyayaayaya puff ohh iyaayaya puff puff
PVR =Player vs Roid! Burr, scary peps!!! |
Speknek
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Posted - 2004.07.09 11:09:00 -
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you want more action? go look for the pirates or leave empire, theres really enough action to find 
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Speknek
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Posted - 2004.07.09 11:09:00 -
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you want more action? go look for the pirates or leave empire, theres really enough action to find
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Smeppelio
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Posted - 2004.07.09 11:10:00 -
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Something tells me you're a pirate...
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-sland! Bezt Ý heimi! ...og smirnoff
"Inside tank of fuel is not fuel, but love, above us, there is nothing above us, but the stars, above. 5, 4, 3, 1, OFFBLAST!"
Elektronik - Supersonik by Zlad! |
Smeppelio
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Posted - 2004.07.09 11:10:00 -
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Something tells me you're a pirate...
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-sland! Bezt Ý heimi! ...og smirnoff
"Inside tank of fuel is not fuel, but love, above us, there is nothing above us, but the stars, above. 5, 4, 3, 1, OFFBLAST!"
Elektronik - Supersonik by Zlad! |
Thrak
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Posted - 2004.07.09 11:10:00 -
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Edited by: Thrak on 09/07/2004 11:11:58
Yeah exactly.
Quote:
Systems that are rated 0.5 secure are viewed as the the borders between imperial space and lawless space.
The sentry guns in 0.4 and below are designed to enforce minimum security. Or at least they were originally. Now you have to invest half a billion worth in hardware to circumvent them.
All players who want to see some sort of balance of gameplay in EVE are resigned to sitting on the sidelines as those players who want to play a solo game online petition and whine all the way to a nice safe boring game.
Lower the saf_e_guards in <0.5. Let the carebears burn. More agent missions in low sec, worse minerals in high sec, weaker sentry guns in low sec. I want to see it all. |
Thrak
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Posted - 2004.07.09 11:10:00 -
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Edited by: Thrak on 09/07/2004 11:11:58
Yeah exactly.
Quote:
Systems that are rated 0.5 secure are viewed as the the borders between imperial space and lawless space.
The sentry guns in 0.4 and below are designed to enforce minimum security. Or at least they were originally. Now you have to invest half a billion worth in hardware to circumvent them.
All players who want to see some sort of balance of gameplay in EVE are resigned to sitting on the sidelines as those players who want to play a solo game online petition and whine all the way to a nice safe boring game.
Lower the saf_e_guards in <0.5. Let the carebears burn. More agent missions in low sec, worse minerals in high sec, weaker sentry guns in low sec. I want to see it all. |
Asmodia
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Posted - 2004.07.09 11:13:00 -
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I can agree with the topic and you can verify it. there are not much ppl in 0.4-0.1. I started solo mining jaspet there to get noxium. the lack of noxium is based on this carebaerism :( if this go on , the price of noxium will hit 400 ....
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Asmodia
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Posted - 2004.07.09 11:13:00 -
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I can agree with the topic and you can verify it. there are not much ppl in 0.4-0.1. I started solo mining jaspet there to get noxium. the lack of noxium is based on this carebaerism :( if this go on , the price of noxium will hit 400 ....
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hatchette
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Posted - 2004.07.09 11:14:00 -
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I think what he's trying to say is.. that the rewards for going into 0.1-0.4 space are not worth the risk. And there is ussually no reason for people to go to 0.4 space.
Mining is prime example.. Jaspet (which is only availbile in 0.4 and under) is only 10% more valuable than kernite and omber, which are availbile in 0.6 and down. Hedbergite and hemorphite aren't much better either.
And then there is a big gap with gneiss and dark ochre (only availbile in 0.0).. which are 200% more valuable then hedbergite.
So why would people go into 0.4 with their apocs or thoraxes to mine Jaspet.. and risk losing ship for those 10% more.
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hatchette
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Posted - 2004.07.09 11:14:00 -
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I think what he's trying to say is.. that the rewards for going into 0.1-0.4 space are not worth the risk. And there is ussually no reason for people to go to 0.4 space.
Mining is prime example.. Jaspet (which is only availbile in 0.4 and under) is only 10% more valuable than kernite and omber, which are availbile in 0.6 and down. Hedbergite and hemorphite aren't much better either.
And then there is a big gap with gneiss and dark ochre (only availbile in 0.0).. which are 200% more valuable then hedbergite.
So why would people go into 0.4 with their apocs or thoraxes to mine Jaspet.. and risk losing ship for those 10% more.
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Gaijin Lanis
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Posted - 2004.07.09 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: hatchette
So why would people go into 0.4 with their apocs or thoraxes to mine Jaspet.. and risk losing ship for those 10% more.
... WHAT?!?!
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Gaijin Lanis
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Posted - 2004.07.09 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: hatchette
So why would people go into 0.4 with their apocs or thoraxes to mine Jaspet.. and risk losing ship for those 10% more.
... WHAT?!?!
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Quix
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Posted - 2004.07.09 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Gaijin Lanis
1.0 thourgh 0.1 is secure space. 0.0 is the only unsecure space. If you want more action, go there.
I would suggest you to read "10 Safety tips for new EVE players" Tip #2. When you some time in the future are going to enter your first system below 0.5 you get a warning that tells you that you are entering Unsecure Space and Concord can not take any response for your safety...
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Quix
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Posted - 2004.07.09 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Gaijin Lanis
1.0 thourgh 0.1 is secure space. 0.0 is the only unsecure space. If you want more action, go there.
I would suggest you to read "10 Safety tips for new EVE players" Tip #2. When you some time in the future are going to enter your first system below 0.5 you get a warning that tells you that you are entering Unsecure Space and Concord can not take any response for your safety...
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hatchette
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Posted - 2004.07.09 11:48:00 -
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Edited by: hatchette on 09/07/2004 11:53:00
Originally by: Gaijin Lanis
Originally by: hatchette
So why would people go into 0.4 with their apocs or thoraxes to mine Jaspet.. and risk losing ship for those 10% more.
... WHAT?!?!
jaspet 151774isk / 2m3 = 75887isk/m3
kernite 74916isk / 1.2m3 = 62430isk/m3
Ok.. 20% more valuable (by npc prices). But my point stands.
EDIT:
Those values are by insane "base" prices that eve-i posts:
trit 2, pyer 8, mex 32, iso 128, nocx 512
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hatchette
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Posted - 2004.07.09 11:48:00 -
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Edited by: hatchette on 09/07/2004 11:53:00
Originally by: Gaijin Lanis
Originally by: hatchette
So why would people go into 0.4 with their apocs or thoraxes to mine Jaspet.. and risk losing ship for those 10% more.
... WHAT?!?!
jaspet 151774isk / 2m3 = 75887isk/m3
kernite 74916isk / 1.2m3 = 62430isk/m3
Ok.. 20% more valuable (by npc prices). But my point stands.
EDIT:
Those values are by insane "base" prices that eve-i posts:
trit 2, pyer 8, mex 32, iso 128, nocx 512
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Quix
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Posted - 2004.07.09 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: hatchette
I think what he's trying to say is.. that the rewards for going into 0.1-0.4 space are not worth the risk. And there is ussually no reason for people to go to 0.4 space.
Mining is prime example.. Jaspet (which is only availbile in 0.4 and under) is only 10% more valuable than kernite and omber, which are availbile in 0.6 and down. Hedbergite and hemorphite aren't much better either.
And then there is a big gap with gneiss and dark ochre (only availbile in 0.0).. which are 200% more valuable then hedbergite.
So why would people go into 0.4 with their apocs or thoraxes to mine Jaspet.. and risk losing ship for those 10% more.
Yes, I think that is the point of what I wrote about.
I want a sligthly change in the security/reward system. In reality there is only two levels now, I want to have one between. A better progress system. Today a totally n00b easy can operate and live in Unsecure space, and you have to have a lot of experience and/or friends to survive in 0.0. Nothing in between that is thrilling.
LAWLESS, that is 0.0. Totally Lawless but extremely High rewards.
SECURE SPACE, 0.5 - 1.0. Almost totally safe, should have low rewards.
UNSECURE EMPIRE SPACE 0.4 - 0.1 ( I belive there still are some 0.0 left too). Less safe than Secure space but safer than Lawless, lower rewards than Lawless, but higher than Safe.
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Quix
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Posted - 2004.07.09 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: hatchette
I think what he's trying to say is.. that the rewards for going into 0.1-0.4 space are not worth the risk. And there is ussually no reason for people to go to 0.4 space.
Mining is prime example.. Jaspet (which is only availbile in 0.4 and under) is only 10% more valuable than kernite and omber, which are availbile in 0.6 and down. Hedbergite and hemorphite aren't much better either.
And then there is a big gap with gneiss and dark ochre (only availbile in 0.0).. which are 200% more valuable then hedbergite.
So why would people go into 0.4 with their apocs or thoraxes to mine Jaspet.. and risk losing ship for those 10% more.
Yes, I think that is the point of what I wrote about.
I want a sligthly change in the security/reward system. In reality there is only two levels now, I want to have one between. A better progress system. Today a totally n00b easy can operate and live in Unsecure space, and you have to have a lot of experience and/or friends to survive in 0.0. Nothing in between that is thrilling.
LAWLESS, that is 0.0. Totally Lawless but extremely High rewards.
SECURE SPACE, 0.5 - 1.0. Almost totally safe, should have low rewards.
UNSECURE EMPIRE SPACE 0.4 - 0.1 ( I belive there still are some 0.0 left too). Less safe than Secure space but safer than Lawless, lower rewards than Lawless, but higher than Safe.
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FuPhal
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Posted - 2004.07.09 12:04:00 -
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*****Galor.... been ganked by pirates recently? :P lol
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FuPhal
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Posted - 2004.07.09 12:04:00 -
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*****Galor.... been ganked by pirates recently? :P lol
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hatchette
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Posted - 2004.07.09 12:04:00 -
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Ok i now calculated with real prices of minerals. It's based on prices on which we were buying low-end minerals.
tritanium 2isk, pyerite 6isk, mexallon 12isk, isogen 70isk, nocxicum 280isk
Value of kernite per 1m3 of cargo: 77.2isk
Value of jaspet per 1m3 of cargo: 80.8isk
Is that worth the risk? No, it isn't!
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hatchette
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Posted - 2004.07.09 12:04:00 -
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Ok i now calculated with real prices of minerals. It's based on prices on which we were buying low-end minerals.
tritanium 2isk, pyerite 6isk, mexallon 12isk, isogen 70isk, nocxicum 280isk
Value of kernite per 1m3 of cargo: 77.2isk
Value of jaspet per 1m3 of cargo: 80.8isk
Is that worth the risk? No, it isn't!
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Quix
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Posted - 2004.07.09 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: *****Galor
Are you French cause all i see is WHINE!!! not enough action so plz make the agent players and miners come to me....please..get off your duff and go find or make some action..or how about this...go fight some real pvp ppl and stop attacking miners and agent runners...which i think is totally lame and shows a total lack of skillz...pirates r the biggest cry babies on the fourms..get over it..next they will be asking for warp core stablizers to be nerfed...ROFL
I am The Founder and the CEO of a Corporation with about 50 members. We produce everything that we need, we have production for sale, we are buing and selling BPOs, we operate laboratorys and trade BPC's, we refine everything ourselves, we mine all minerals beside Mega and Zyd, wich are almost the only thing besides the BPC/BPO's that we are buying. Between the miningoperations all of us are Agentrunners to get hold on the Tech II stuff and Implants that we also sell. So i wolud like you and others to stop the Whining about "Pirate-Whining". I am only trying to make some suggestions to get a better working progress in the game, as it was intended to be.
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Quix
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Posted - 2004.07.09 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: *****Galor
Are you French cause all i see is WHINE!!! not enough action so plz make the agent players and miners come to me....please..get off your duff and go find or make some action..or how about this...go fight some real pvp ppl and stop attacking miners and agent runners...which i think is totally lame and shows a total lack of skillz...pirates r the biggest cry babies on the fourms..get over it..next they will be asking for warp core stablizers to be nerfed...ROFL
I am The Founder and the CEO of a Corporation with about 50 members. We produce everything that we need, we have production for sale, we are buing and selling BPOs, we operate laboratorys and trade BPC's, we refine everything ourselves, we mine all minerals beside Mega and Zyd, wich are almost the only thing besides the BPC/BPO's that we are buying. Between the miningoperations all of us are Agentrunners to get hold on the Tech II stuff and Implants that we also sell. So i wolud like you and others to stop the Whining about "Pirate-Whining". I am only trying to make some suggestions to get a better working progress in the game, as it was intended to be.
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