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Just fearless
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Posted - 2008.11.21 04:27:00 -
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so there i was sitting there going man this is takeing a while. i was shooting a moa in my drake and it took 37 X 7 missiles to sink it i was hitting for under 50s in hual! back a few weeks ago i would be hiting 150s+ but now they just kinda ruind the game for ALL caldari cuz thats what 90% of our ships are based around.
so im going to send ccp 1 message aday till they fix it. I mean i love the game but if ur going to ruin the game for alota people just so some people wont complain. if you agree send them 1 message a day till they fix the heavys and lights. cruzes that was needed haveing that kinda range made them such a big thing on the battle feald now there down to size. thank you for reading
fear
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Zeon Mackie
Caldari
Global Dominion Enterprise
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Posted - 2008.11.21 04:40:00 -
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You could always develop your skills and train another weapon system...
Drones/Blasters/ACs/Arty/Lazorz/etc
I see that as part of eve. Adapt or die.
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Just fearless
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Posted - 2008.11.21 04:43:00 -
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but to complitly nerf 1 race so others will stop Bi**hing well the amar blasters are over powerd!! come on ccp dont make the game suck! i ghess i gota start looking for a new online game to play whats the mech worrier online game is comeign soon so.. idk
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Faife
Noctiscion
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Posted - 2008.11.21 05:20:00 -
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lrn2eve noob
target painters, webbers, drones. it's time to actually fit combat gear on that ship of yours.
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Just fearless
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Posted - 2008.11.21 05:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Faife
lrn2eve noob
target painters, webbers, drones. it's time to actually fit combat gear on that ship of yours.
a fing frigit took 259 missiles!? tell me whats wrong with that!
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Faife
Noctiscion
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Posted - 2008.11.21 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: Just fearless
a fing frigit took 259 missiles!? tell me whats wrong with that!
about as long as shooting battleship guns at it would take. |
Lauri Andromedae
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Posted - 2008.11.21 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: Just fearless
so there i was sitting there going man this is takeing a while. i was shooting a moa in my drake and it took 37 X 7 missiles to sink it i was hitting for under 50s in hual! back a few weeks ago i would be hiting 150s+ but now they just kinda ruind the game for ALL caldari cuz thats what 90% of our ships are based around.
so im going to send ccp 1 message aday till they fix it. I mean i love the game but if ur going to ruin the game for alota people just so some people wont complain. if you agree send them 1 message a day till they fix the heavys and lights. cruzes that was needed haveing that kinda range made them such a big thing on the battle feald now there down to size. thank you for reading
fear
It's funny to watch missile pilots whine about missiles. They are after all much more relaxed way of pvp'n than turrets. I suggest OP to try turrets. After hours of trying to get optimal he might have another opinnion. |
John Relander
Caldari
Gariushi Foundation
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Posted - 2008.11.21 08:08:00 -
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On the topic of Caldari being nerfed: I haven't noticed that my railguns would work in a notably different way than before. Or ECM. The minority of missile ships doesn't work, too bad (for example, of the four T1 cruisers, there's a single ship that has missiles as the main system). Also, even the mighty Drake is just an oversized cruiser in the end. As someone noted, there might be the need to swap some tank for target painters (which I have already carried for some time for the purpose hitting smaller targets better when flying a missile ship).
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Nexus Kinnon
Armada.
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Posted - 2008.11.21 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Faife
lrn2eve noob
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2008.11.21 09:51:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 21/11/2008 09:54:50
my missiles work fine =D
hitting drakes with 500 dmg per volley with rage assault missiles on my sacrilege 
btw maybe you should web him and switch your kinetic missiles to em and hit his lowest resistance, just a hint.
dont be lazy and use your brain. |
knobber Jobbler
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Posted - 2008.11.21 11:09:00 -
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Target navigation prediction, Guided missile precision and drones are a Caldari missile *****s best freind.
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KInkamache
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Posted - 2008.11.21 15:45:00 -
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I am too a caldary pilot and depend on missiles like the original post. One thing i have learn is that if one thing dont work the best thing to do is look for solutions and dont whine. I have implement a target painter in my fit on the raven and is working some how but also Drones are doing what i used to do with Missiles only. So yes they did Nerf the missiles a bit, this brought some how balance but must important make us Caldary pilots use our brain.
Other hand there another choice is to train other classes ships.
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Omarvelous
Caldari
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.11.21 15:48:00 -
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OP thanks for maintaining the stereotype that caldari missile users are brain dead.
I count on my opponent's to underestimate me, and a clueless post such as this helps maintain that psychological edge.
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KInkamache
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Posted - 2008.11.21 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous
OP thanks for maintaining the stereotype that caldari missile users are brain dead.
I count on my opponent's to underestimate me, and a clueless post such as this helps maintain that psychological edge.
I have never say that we are brain dead, i am just saying that we have to look for other options. They dont going to change what is done already,Believe shipmate i have played many MMO and when they take step forward they wont rollback.
Now what we need to do is to get better at what we do and surprise our opponent. They might think we are useless now with missiles but when u put a target painter on them and some drones coming doing mad damage they will think twice again before trying to attack us again. Is all about restoring the respect that we lost after this past Upgrade.
Fly safe and Use your Brain.
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Vietone
Gallente
Mercury Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.21 18:31:00 -
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You need to check your skills and improve them.
I have every missile skill at lvl4 and some at lvl5 on my mission running caldari character and I finish missions faster after the QR patch than before.
I can still hit NPC cruisers for over 1000 volley damage with cruise missiles in grouping mode. Sometimes it drops as low as 300 volley damage but thats expected.
Train missile skills. Its even more important now than before. It use to be you could get into a raven, train minimal skills and still be able to PvE better than many other ships out there where people trained through Tech 2 guns.
Now, you have to have good missile skills to be good with missile ships and thats how it should be. |
nether void
Caldari
Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.21 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Faife
Originally by: Just fearless
a fing frigit took 259 missiles!? tell me whats wrong with that!
about as long as shooting battleship guns at it would take.
Not true. I take down cruisers with my Rokh very, very quickly. Much faster than my Drake even pre-nerf.
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Riddick Ulust
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Posted - 2008.11.21 19:22:00 -
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appartently if enough people whine about something to get nerfed, it will be . its rid****ulust that i would need two target painters on a battleship(!) for my torps to do ~100% of the damage. I was hoping that the next update was going to help caldari missile ships with 1v1pvping not nerf it the hell. i guess ill either have to get a ship from a different race or wait til ccp either boosts the missiles or nerfs everyone else's precious guns 
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Jelosavich
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Posted - 2008.11.21 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Just fearless
amar blasters
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2008.11.21 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Rid**** Ulust
appartently if enough people whine about something to get nerfed, it will be. its rid****ulust that i would need two target painters on a battleship(!) for my torps to do ~100% of the damage. I was hoping that the next update was going to help caldari missile ships with 1v1pvping not nerf it the hell. i guess ill either have to get a ship from a different race or wait til ccp either boosts the missiles or nerfs everyone else's precious guns
How many webs does a short range battleship need to hit something upclose, and conversely; How much is a long range BS going to hit for at short range. Exactly.
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Elora Danzik
Ward-Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.21 19:42:00 -
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I have to a agree with vietone.
My missle skills (for the ones I use) are either at 4 or 5, mostly 5. So far against NPC I have not noticed a huge difference.
PVP is not something I do on a regular basis.
However, if it was taking to OP that long to take out a moa, my question is, NPC or Live and if NPC which and were you using the correct missiles to begin with. If live was the target even in range of the missle so that they actually were hitting. What were the fittings on the MOA if you destroyed it and what missiles were you using.?
It really would be nice if all the missle whiners would give a few more details before they say CCP screwed them. |
Mikhale Romanov
Black Hats Delta
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Posted - 2008.11.21 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Zeon Mackie
You could always develop your skills and train another weapon system...
Drones/Blasters/ACs/Arty/Lazorz/etc
I see that as part of eve. Adapt or die.
Very closed minded way to look at things.... Sadly a torpedo being speed tanked by a BS WITHOUT an AB is just a little unbalanced when turrets at that range (25KM with max skills these days) can hit just fine. And yet another nerf to torpedo range.. used to be 36km max skills.. and like 50 with rigs/hardwires. Glad i can use Large NRG turrets.
ZOMG Communism! |
Trellish
Ten Ton Hammer
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2008.11.21 20:45:00 -
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Something tells me you didn't have a target painter on your ship. Try it and you'll be amazed at the difference. It's pretty much a must have module now for a BS....
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.21 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Trellish
Something tells me you didn't have a target painter on your ship. Try it and you'll be amazed at the difference. It's pretty much a must have module now for a BS....
For a MISSILE BS you mean.
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Sadly a torpedo being speed tanked by a BS WITHOUT an AB is just a little unbalanced when turrets at that range (25KM with max skills these days) can hit just fine.
Yeah, and werent you saying in another post that shield tanking didnt get nerfed?
This is what's fubar. |
Hobbes277
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Posted - 2008.11.22 00:28:00 -
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I acutully found my drake to be more viable in L4.
By that I mean completing them faster then pre patch.
I have heavy missle spec 4 and all support skills to 5.
Added 2 BCU II and After burner II.
with this I hit BS harder and BC and crusier about the same and with the ABII I speed tank the BS instead of sitting at warp in. |
Hellinthose
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Posted - 2008.11.22 08:46:00 -
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Edited by: Hellinthose on 22/11/2008 08:47:25
Originally by: Just fearless
so im going to send ccp 1 message aday till they fix it.
Well, if this method worked the governments of the world would have already solved everyones problems. Miltiary commands wouldn't be distorted versions of vietnam conscript methods and buisnesses would only pay their CEO's enough that befits their position in the company.
I'm guessing you haven't had to deal with any of the above. If you have, then you will know the result of your protests alreadyłthey will simply ignore you.
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Drago Wolfson
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Posted - 2008.11.22 11:10:00 -
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I am a Caldari Missile Wh*re and the missile damage nerf was needed but it has been taken a little too far IMO. Even with a painter it takes an inordinate amount of time to kill an elite frigate or cruiser with Cruise missiles. Yeah drones do a job, but when you have 4 or 5 scramming frigs on you in PVE it is waaaaay too close a run thing now. Although a couple of jammers can help.....
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Kate Roger
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Posted - 2008.11.22 11:44:00 -
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I wish they would stop nerfing stuff, Oh i hear you say "it makes the game more rounded and even" sorry i have to reply what a lot of crap that is.
EVERYONE can fly ANY ship and use ANY weapon so what exactly is the problem, but my biggest gripe is i just spent the last 6 months training most if not all my missle skills to lvl 5 thats my time and my money that I spent on game time. if they want the game fair and rounded remove all the slots, fit all the ships the same, and remove the other 3 races. problem solved.
/rant
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NE Weevil
The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency
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Posted - 2008.11.22 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: nether void
Not true. I take down cruisers with my Rokh very, very quickly. Much faster than my Drake even pre-nerf.
Could be because a Rokh is a battleship and a Drake isn't. You >> 
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr
The Cosa Nostra
La Cosa Nostra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.22 13:07:00 -
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Edited by: Grarr Dexx on 22/11/2008 13:09:17
Originally by: KInkamache
Originally by: Omarvelous
OP thanks for maintaining the stereotype that caldari missile users are brain dead.
I count on my opponent's to underestimate me, and a clueless post such as this helps maintain that psychological edge.
I have never say that we are brain dead, i am just saying that we have to look for other options. They dont going to change what is done already,Believe shipmate i have played many MMO and when they take step forward they wont rollback.
Now what we need to do is to get better at what we do and surprise our opponent. They might think we are useless now with missiles but when u put a target painter on them and some drones coming doing mad damage they will think twice again before trying to attack us again. Is all about restoring the respect that we lost after this past Upgrade.
Fly safe and Use your Brain.
By the gods, not having to look for other options! What if you'd have to lower yourself to the status of the three other races???
Originally by: Drago Wolfson
I am a Caldari Missile Wh*re and the missile damage nerf was needed but it has been taken a little too far IMO. Even with a painter it takes an inordinate amount of time to kill an elite frigate or cruiser with Cruise missiles. Yeah drones do a job, but when you have 4 or 5 scramming frigs on you in PVE it is waaaaay too close a run thing now. Although a couple of jammers can help.....
(drones)
None of the other races can kill elite frigates in orbit or close-range cruisers in orbit without the help of other modules. Now you guys have been set on par with us. Get on with it, adapt or die.
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Naomi Wynn
Amarr
Red Dawn Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.22 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: KInkamache
us Caldary pilots use our brain.
Caldari are now Borg.
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