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Doctor Penguin
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.21 09:54:00 -
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Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 21/11/2008 09:55:37 Dear CSM,
I feel that the current situation of character-based posting on these forums is not a good thing. If you have a look at General Discussion, for example, you see a vast amount of trolling, swearing, and general effing and blinging. This is frequently down to people realising the following:
1) They don't lose anything by trolling, as they can alt. 2) Trolling can be very hard to detect, as alts can switch between trolling so as not to be rumbled. 3) You can say pretty much anything on the forums with an alt.
As such, I propose the following system for the forums.
1) The current system of Alt-posting is suspended. 2) Your game account is linked to the forums directly, not via your characters. 3) Instead of one of your characters, you instead get a "Display Name". Your avatar remains the same as today - you can chose between the faces of all three of your characters.
This would counter several problems:
1)See that chap with the stupidly long name? Imagine if CCP could just shorten his forum name without affecting his characters. 2)It would promote the community, as people are less able to troll-alt. 3)An effective moderation system can be implemented on the forums.
Of course, this would not stop all alt-posting. If somebody has more than one game account, he'll have 2 forum names.
As a moderator of other forums, I feel that this system - which would be similar to most other forums - would help improve the forums.
Yours,
Doctor Penguin (And this is my main, FYI) |
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Posted - 2008.11.21 10:03:00 -
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If my account name is same as my name now, how will this help?
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.11.21 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: WMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWM If my account name is same as my name now, how will this help?
Because obvious alt is obvious. |
Doctor Penguin
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.21 10:41:00 -
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Because you'd set a permanent display name. You'd have your username, yes. That would not be displayed on the forums. For example...
Bob's username is Bob. He logs in on his account.
Bob currently has three characters - Bill, Jack and Irene. He can post as all three of them. He could be the essence of a great forumgoer on Bill, but he could troll all he likes as Jack and Irene.
With is proposal, Bob logs in. A page comes up telling him about the changes and prompting him to give his Bob usernamed account a Display Name. Because he's well loved as Bill, he chooses Bill. He may only post as "Bill" but he could use any of Bob, Jack and Irene's character portraits. |
Simokon
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Posted - 2008.11.21 12:15:00 -
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Edited by: Simokon on 21/11/2008 12:14:49 I support this 100% transparency is a great thing. |
InfamousOne
Chaos Coalition Chaotic Evolution
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Posted - 2008.11.21 16:42:00 -
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DEATH TO THE TROLLS!!!! Or at least better accountability for forum users Fully Supported.
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Drake Draconis
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.11.21 19:00:00 -
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This wouldn't stop people from making new accounts then shutting them off... but if anything it would make it "Harder"
So yeah... I'm all for this... makes it a bit more challenging to sneak around... but hey... would make these boards a bit more readable.
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Gone'Postal
Rage of Inferno
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Posted - 2008.11.21 19:02:00 -
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Bring it on baby |
Smacktalking Alt
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Posted - 2008.11.21 19:31:00 -
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Enough with the trolling alts. ------------------------------------------------- The world is a dangerous place for stupid people; their one advantage is strength in numbers. |
Jupix
Pari Nallea
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Posted - 2008.11.22 09:03:00 -
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.22 15:16:00 -
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I'm quite pleased people like this proposal.
Thing is, I'm not sure about the exact scale of this. It would be a good time to update the whole of the EVE site too, but I'm not a web designer. ________________________________________________
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Bunyip
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Posted - 2008.11.28 05:51:00 -
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This is a good option, but what about those of us who are CSM delegates and have alts (such as myself)? If we would be set to our CSM delegate name, or have the account name with the small CSM Delegate logo, I'd be all for this.
-Bunyip
"May all your hits be crits." - Knights of the Dinner Table. |
FunzzeR
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.11.28 06:13:00 -
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How about setting the forum system to only allow the highest sp character in the account to post (usually the main). Granted the loophole is that someone can setup a forum alt account, but on the flip side they will have to pay for that privilege.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.11.28 06:45:00 -
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Well, I like this idea. It's not a new idea, but it's an important idea.
The problem really comes down how CCP wrote the forum. CCP now refuses to make major changes to the forum until they get around to doing a new one.
But I think it's important to push for a new forum and for this kind of functionality. The first CSM was asked at our last meeting with CCP, what we thought were THE single most important issue. I think it's he forum. I'm sorry to say, the current one stinks.
We need a new forum and we need to get rid of alt posting. It's long due.
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Jah'Ret Khan
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.11.28 10:06:00 -
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Terrible idea.
Stealth nerf versus alt scams, alt spies and alt activities in general.
Implementing an IGNORE BUTTON is a better idea to let each user filter out the non-contributors and blatant alts they don't want to read. ************************** We go ZOOM-ZOOM! You go BOOM-BOOM!
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.11.28 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jah'Ret Khan Terrible idea.
Stealth nerf versus alt scams, alt spies and alt activities in general.
Implementing an IGNORE BUTTON is a better idea to let each user filter out the non-contributors and blatant alts they don't want to read.
This either implies your guilty of said actions... or your paranoid.
: O )
Have something to hide?
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Jah'Ret Khan
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.11.28 11:01:00 -
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OH NOEZ! OUTED AS BoBALTSPY!
That's why this idea sucks :( ************************** We go ZOOM-ZOOM! You go BOOM-BOOM!
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr Shadow Command Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.11.28 11:10:00 -
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It would not affect EVE at all, just the forums. Your evil alting ways would be perfectly safe. ________________________________________________
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Jared D'Uroth
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Posted - 2008.11.29 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Penguin It would not affect EVE at all, just the forums. Your evil alting ways would be perfectly safe.
No, it would apply to the game as well. Thieving and stealing are part of EVE. Implementing this idea would make it harder to do.
/unsupport
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2008.11.29 20:48:00 -
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Edited by: Serenity Steele on 29/11/2008 20:49:53 Another approach would be to only enable posting to the forum from the character with the most skill points on any account. That would force players to use the voice of their most important character (by skill investment.)
Ironically, that would mean I can't post with this character, but at the same time, I could shuffle my other characters off the account if it's really so important to me to post with this character. I could live with that for better quality forums and less trolls and *****s.
Has anyone noticed an improvement in CAOD posting since the requirement to have "at least 10 people in your corporation" was introduced?
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Rafael Cane
House of Stark FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.11.29 21:14:00 -
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let¦s try.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.11.29 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jared D'Uroth
Originally by: Doctor Penguin It would not affect EVE at all, just the forums. Your evil alting ways would be perfectly safe.
No, it would apply to the game as well. Thieving and stealing are part of EVE. Implementing this idea would make it harder to do.
/unsupport
Uh.. where do you get that idea from?
The boards and the game are completely independent of each other.... they just happen to share the same account system.
You could just as easily severe the 2 of them and have them tied to the primary account like your username or whatever name you wish to don for that main.
The problem is this "post with your main" crap that goes on with all the alt's upon alt's upon alt's.
Paranoid much people?
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.11.30 07:55:00 -
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And what happens if you have two characters on the same account and they did different things? I have to give up my high sec research business that I get via the forums because I want to post with my 0.0 character? What if I have two RP characters? I can sell stuff ingame on an alt but I can't on the forums? That is not balanced.
Also, if I can make an alt to spy, scout, steal, scam and am allowed to do anything in EVE that other people can, then I sure as hell should be allowed to post in the forums like everyone else. I can play each character as a separate entity if I wanted to and I don't see why that should be destroyed because an alt owned you verbally in a thread. What you are suggesting is Alt-oppression and we will not stand for it.
If you feel a post is trolling THEN REPORT IT. I've reported rant threads and they have gotten locked. If you are tired of seeing one-liners and stuff, well then just don't read the forums because guess what, every forum in the universe is like this. --
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Jeirth
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.11.30 15:51:00 -
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Don't even need character portraits, as has been pointed out, forums are mostly seperate from the game, so maybe people could use whatever avatar they liked, even, , upload one?
People using forums for ingame services can always direct ingame mail/contact to the correct character via their post.
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Pax Ratlin
Woodland Larch
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Posted - 2008.11.30 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit And what happens if you have two characters on the same account and they did different things? I have to give up my high sec research business that I get via the forums because I want to post with my 0.0 character? What if I have two RP characters? I can sell stuff ingame on an alt but I can't on the forums? That is not balanced.
Also, if I can make an alt to spy, scout, steal, scam and am allowed to do anything in EVE that other people can, then I sure as hell should be allowed to post in the forums like everyone else. I can play each character as a separate entity if I wanted to and I don't see why that should be destroyed because an alt owned you verbally in a thread. What you are suggesting is Alt-oppression and we will not stand for it.
If you feel a post is trolling THEN REPORT IT. I've reported rant threads and they have gotten locked. If you are tired of seeing one-liners and stuff, well then just don't read the forums because guess what, every forum in the universe is like this.
The sooner the forums are brought under 'any' sort of control the better.
I dare say that the forums put off an many new players, if not more, than the 'steep learning curve' CCP keep going on about. Which wouldn't be bad if they were putting off the 12 yr immature 'oh arn't i cool i can swear in public' gamers but sadly it's forum trolls and bashers that show these players they have a home where they can feel loved and encouraged.
(although lets be honest how many of us have though about reply to this thread with an alt stating something like people should be forced to troll on the forums because it will improve the population of the forums and bring the forums into line with the original ethos behind the forums, and if the sensible, polite and considerate forum posters leave because of it all the better )
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Dariah Stardweller
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Posted - 2008.12.02 22:01:00 -
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Not supported, freedom of speech is not served by removing the option to remain anonymous on the forums.
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Cyprus Black
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.12.03 03:36:00 -
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Edited by: Cyprus Black on 03/12/2008 03:37:10
I wonder how many alts are supporting this thread?
I do not support this thread. If someone is going to troll then they're going to troll, alt or not. Alts are used to cover the shame of otherwise posting on their main.
If anything, the forum moderators need to swing the bann hammer more often and with ingame consequences. ___________________________________________________ The Escapist: EvE Online video review. |
Akiba Penrose
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Posted - 2008.12.23 19:37:00 -
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Jack Caelum
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Posted - 2008.12.23 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
The first CSM was asked at our last meeting with CCP, what we thought were THE single most important issue. I think it's he forum.
And people actually voted for you?
/endtroll
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.
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Posted - 2008.12.24 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista Well, I like this idea. It's not a new idea, but it's an important idea.
The problem really comes down how CCP wrote the forum. CCP now refuses to make major changes to the forum until they get around to doing a new one.
But I think it's important to push for a new forum and for this kind of functionality. The first CSM was asked at our last meeting with CCP, what we thought were THE single most important issue. I think it's he forum. I'm sorry to say, the current one stinks.
We need a new forum and we need to get rid of alt posting. It's long due.
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