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Coltach SlingDraw Corp	Posted - 2008.11.22 23:24:00 - [1] With ambulation coming, this has been up once or twice, I've seen EVE described as teen rated, but the overall sense of EVE is anything but. Cold, hard and adversarial. Kill or be killed. Adapt or die and all the others of the kind. To me 'Teen Rated' smacks of nannying, something reviled by these fora, and by extension, the general EVE populace. One has only to look at the near constant grumbling about the language filter and its... eccentricities to get an idea of how players view CCP's adherence to a model of desirable linguistic behavior. So why is EVE a Teen Rated game?
Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.22 23:25:00 - [2] $
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.11.22 23:25:00 - [3] It's just a semi-arbitrary American rating. No legal meaning AFAIK in the States, and certainly not in any other country.
Gnomes Rock	Posted - 2008.11.22 23:30:00 - [4] Because there needs to be boobs ingame to make it an adult game. No boobs = teen.
Plim Gallente Oursulaert Technology Institute	Posted - 2008.11.22 23:30:00 - [5] Because most players act like angry 15 year olds in a high school clique? ---- Failing to understand your crazy epicycles since 2003.
Ticondrius Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.22 23:31:00 - [6] Teen rating = more USD for CCP. For the rest of the world, they could rate it XXXxXXX and the 10 year-olds would still play. So, Americans, enjoying your Net Nanny government? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- PROPOSAL: Good Bug Reporting Incentives MMORPG: Many Men Online Role Playing Girls
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.11.22 23:32:00 - [7] Originally by: Coltach So why is EVE a Teen Rated game? To get the broadest possible audience. I am afraid it is as easy as that. More players = more income. Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
d1v1n1ty	Posted - 2008.11.22 23:33:00 - [8] Not a lot of blood in the game either. We all played with spaceships when we were little, no? Hmmm...I remember my Lego ones...awesome.
Silver Night Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2008.11.22 23:38:00 - [9] Sit down kids, and let Uncle Silver tell you 'bout the good ole days. Ya see, now this was back in '03 it was, Eve came in a box. In these United States, we have a store known as Walmart, and she's a biggun' fer yer software sales. If'un you want to do well at retail with yer boxed game, you gotta have it at Walmart, an' heres the key - Walmart don't carry no M (Mature) rated games. So CCP, bein' the smart fellers they are, made sure and got them that T rating. S' why the Agents don't cuss and the drugs are called boosters. Still, should come in handy fer this new fangled distribution deal we been hearin' bout. -------------- The Clown Man. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.11.22 23:43:00 - [10] Originally by: Ticondrius Teen rating = more USD for CCP. For the rest of the world, they could rate it XXXxXXX and the 10 year-olds would still play. So, Americans, enjoying your Net Nanny government? The phenomenon in question is a result of the country being founded by puritans, not of some sort of "net nanny" thing. At least we don't have security cameras posted everywhere like they do in the UK __________________________________ Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?

Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.22 23:46:00 - [11] Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: Ticondrius Teen rating = more USD for CCP. For the rest of the world, they could rate it XXXxXXX and the 10 year-olds would still play. So, Americans, enjoying your Net Nanny government? The phenomenon in question is a result of the country being founded by puritans, not of some sort of "net nanny" thing. At least we don't have security cameras posted everywhere like they do in the UK Yet.
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2008.11.22 23:50:00 - [12] Originally by: Terianna Eri At least we don't have security cameras posted everywhere like they do in the UK Several US cities are catching up rapidly. And given some of the post 9/11 legislation, any footage that is taken can be used for a lot more than footage taken in most european countries. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates	Posted - 2008.11.22 23:50:00 - [13] Originally by: Terianna Eri At least we don't have security cameras posted everywhere like they do in the UK as far as we know
Plim Gallente Oursulaert Technology Institute	Posted - 2008.11.22 23:52:00 - [14] Originally by: Arvald Originally by: Terianna Eri At least we don't have security cameras posted everywhere like they do in the UK as far as we know The NSA carries out the role in various other ways. ---- Failing to understand your crazy epicycles since 2003.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.11.22 23:58:00 - [15] posting in a thread where i get quoted 4 times __________________________________ Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
Plim Gallente Oursulaert Technology Institute	Posted - 2008.11.22 23:59:00 - [16] Originally by: Terianna Eri posting in a thread where i get quoted 4 times 5 ---- Failing to understand your crazy epicycles since 2003.
Jana Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.11.23 00:01:00 - [17] Originally by: Terianna Eri posting in a thread where i get quoted 4 times 6 New Eden Research, where your research gets done!
Verx Interis Amarr Modicus Dementis	Posted - 2008.11.23 00:11:00 - [18] Because the ESRB probably doesn't give a crap what they rate MMO's, since they have to say "Game experience may change during online play" and the game is entirley online. As for how they decide the rating, to put it simply, there's no sex and no graphic violence. That's what **es parents in the States off. They couldn't give a rat's ass about the "attitude" of the game. The attention around shootings and violence in this country makes parents overly concerned about any game with blood and guns, and ignores any larger "theme" of a game. This is exemplified in the reviews of many games that don't have a harmful overall theme, but have blood or guns and as such, get rated M. To put it simply, when a game is rated here in the States, it's not rated on what the game is ACTUALLY about, it's just how much blood and sex is in it.** All the ignorant parents out here seem to think that if a 15 year old sees some girls boob or sees someone bleed in a game, it's going to corrupt their mind and blah blah. It stems off this idea here that children are unable to do wrong. I could rant all day but I'd digress pretty far so I'll leave it at that -- Your bad loan management perfectly strikes the stock market, wrecking for -777.68 points.
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.23 00:27:00 - [19] Originally by: Terianna Eri posting in a thread where i get quoted 4 times 7 --------------------- It's me! Your lovable forum warrior!!!
Nikita Alterana Gallente The Antikythera Mechanism	Posted - 2008.11.23 00:30:00 - [20] Originally by: Terianna Eri posting in a thread where i get quoted 4 times 8 __________________________________________________ I was Amarr before they were the FOTM and I'll be Amarr after it! I'm also training Minmatar Capitals! And I eat Lions!

Berious Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.23 00:33:00 - [21] Edited by: Berious on 23/11/2008 00:33:54 Probably any reference to drugs/alcohol gets you an automatic teen or above rating. That'd be my guess anyway. Mature/AO is just code for "**** or swearing". No one cares if your feelings get hurt or millions of virtual people die.
NightF0x Gallente Chicken Coup Raiders	Posted - 2008.11.23 00:40:00 - [22] Originally by: Verx Interis ...It stems off this idea here that children are unable to do wrong. That statement comes from the ideals that came from the Great Depression, the idea that your children should have a better life than you had. This has been expanded so far that discipline has been pushed aside and children believe that they rule the world (or household). ------------------------------------
Verx Interis Amarr Modicus Dementis	Posted - 2008.11.23 00:41:00 - [23] Edited by: Verx Interis on 23/11/2008 00:41:56 Originally by: Berious Edited by: Berious on 23/11/2008 00:37:15 Probably any reference to drugs/alcohol gets you an automatic teen or above rating. That'd be my guess anyway. Mature/AO is just code for "boobies or blood and guns". No one cares if your feelings get hurt or millions of virtual people die. Fixed. Searing usually gets you a Teen rating. AO is code for "lack of sales" Originally by: NightF0x Originally by: Verx Interis ...It stems off this idea here that children are unable to do wrong. That statement comes from the ideals that came from the Great Depression, the idea that your children should have a better life than you had. This has been expanded so far that discipline has been pushed aside and children believe that they rule the world (or household). Pretty much. But the end result is that children get away with tons of things and rarely get punished for it. That's why there's bullying in schools, drinking, drug use, etc etc. Not because of GTA IV. -- Your bad loan management perfectly strikes the stock market, wrecking for -777.68 points.
Khemul Zula Amarr Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.11.23 00:47:00 - [24] Edited by: Khemul Zula on 23/11/2008 00:50:21 Hell I think it could be argued this game should be rated 'E10+'. E10+ "Titles in this category may contain more cartoon, fantasy or mild violence, mild language, and/or minimal suggestive themes." Teen "Titles in this category may contain violent content, mild or strong language, and/or suggestive themes." Space ships arn't people so they should probably go under cartoon violence. And the only suggestive themes are the drugs and references to slavery and prostitution.
Stunna Shade	Posted - 2008.11.23 00:49:00 - [25] because of the female corpse being naked.
F90OEX F9X	Posted - 2008.11.23 00:54:00 - [26] CCP Employees who are parents should ask themselves would they want there younger teens playing eve .. In a game that promotes scamming, back stabbing spying etc, me thinks not ...
Kavin Alavandar Extropy Dianoetics	Posted - 2008.11.23 01:02:00 - [27] I am acquainted with a man who refuses to play EVE, and refuses to allow his son to play EVE, because it is Satanic. True story. People have the craziest ideas of what is/isn't appropriate for any given age, or appropriate for humans at all. _______________________________________________ 'The illiterate of this century are not those who cannot read and write; but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn.'
Verx Interis Amarr Modicus Dementis	Posted - 2008.11.23 01:04:00 - [28] Originally by: Kavin Alavandar I am acquainted with a man who refuses to play EVE, and refuses to allow his son to play EVE, because it is Satanic. True story. People have the craziest ideas of what is/isn't appropriate for any given age, or appropriate for humans at all. There's an argument for pretty much EVERY game to be satanic... -- Your bad loan management perfectly strikes the stock market, wrecking for -777.68 points.
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.11.23 01:07:00 - [29] Originally by: Verx Interis Originally by: Kavin Alavandar I am acquainted with a man who refuses to play EVE, and refuses to allow his son to play EVE, because it is Satanic. True story. People have the craziest ideas of what is/isn't appropriate for any given age, or appropriate for humans at all. There's an argument for pretty much EVERY game to be satanic... dizzy for the comadore wasnt satanic it was demonic :P The EvE LifeÖ Blog bringing you the blogs that really matter working in conjunction with EVE Network NewsÖ
Khemul Zula Amarr Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.11.23 01:25:00 - [30] Just because I sacrifice an infant child to Satan in the hopes he'll help me survive the gate camp whenever I jump into 0.0 doesn't make this game satanic.

Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.11.23 01:26:00 - [31] Originally by: Khemul Zula Just because I sacrifice an infant child to Satan in the hopes he'll help me survive the gate camp whenever I jump into 0.0 doesn't make this game satanic. of course not just in RL The EvE LifeÖ Blog bringing you the blogs that really matter working in conjunction with EVE Network NewsÖ
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.23 02:08:00 - [32] Originally by: Dirk Magnum It's just a semi-arbitrary American rating. No legal meaning AFAIK in the States, and certainly not in any other country. Signed. Besides you can sell frozen corpses and smugle exotic dancers and such. I guess thats kinda teen related :P
E Vile	Posted - 2008.11.23 02:59:00 - [33] Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: Ticondrius Teen rating = more USD for CCP. For the rest of the world, they could rate it XXXxXXX and the 10 year-olds would still play. So, Americans, enjoying your Net Nanny government? The phenomenon in question is a result of the country being founded by puritans, not of some sort of "net nanny" thing. At least we don't have security cameras posted everywhere like they do in the UK America has a screwed up Government, but I can still own my Assault Rifle legally.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.11.23 03:11:00 - [34] Originally by: Kavin Alavandar I am acquainted with a man who refuses to play EVE, and refuses to allow his son to play EVE, because it is Satanic. True story. People have the craziest ideas of what is/isn't appropriate for any given age, or appropriate for humans at all. EVE mentions religion, and refers to holy works other than the Bible, so of course it's satanic __________________________________ Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
Apoctasy Fluffy Muffins	Posted - 2008.11.23 04:50:00 - [35] Originally by: Malcanis $ this tbh
Cyriel Longinus XERCORE	Posted - 2008.11.23 05:05:00 - [36] Originally by: Khemul Zula Just because I sacrifice an infant child to Satan in the hopes he'll help me survive the gate camp whenever I jump into 0.0 doesn't make this game satanic. LoLs Another observation: We do have phallic ships ingame. Has anyone looked underneath the Megathron and not question why a ship would need a set of ballz?
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.11.23 05:15:00 - [37] First, let me point out that it is a misconception that buying an M-rated game (or any game at all) in any place in America is illegal if you are "under age". The ESRB system is ENTIRELY VOLUNTARY. If a store won't sell you an M-rated game and you are under age, it is purely their company policy (to appease parents and various groups) and has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LAW. Further, the few such laws that ave been attempted or established (such as the law in California which Shchwarzenegger signed) have been overturned by state supreme courts. That said, I doubt many players are young teens who could not otherwise buy the game. Especially since they can buy it online without any problem whatsoever. I don't see why it isn't at least rated M. Or even better - NO RATING. Make it a brutal game with completely open options. I don't want to play a fisher priced game that is appropriate for a ten year old or a fourteen year old. I want sex, drugs, brutality, deception. Everything.
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.11.23 05:31:00 - [38] Originally by: Coltach With ambulation coming, this has been up once or twice, I've seen EVE described as teen rated, but the overall sense of EVE is anything but. Cold, hard and adversarial. Kill or be killed. Adapt or die and all the others of the kind. To me 'Teen Rated' smacks of nannying, something reviled by these fora, and by extension, the general EVE populace. One has only to look at the near constant grumbling about the language filter and its... eccentricities to get an idea of how players view CCP's adherence to a model of desirable linguistic behavior. So why is EVE a Teen Rated game? Well, this is really two questions: 1. What does EVE benefit by being rated Teen instead of Mature? 2. What does EVE lose by being rated Teen instead of Mature? 1. A wider audience, obviously. But that's about it. 2. Well the rating, as far as I know, only covers content in the actual game - it doesn't cover fiction on the eve website. So the game content (as in what actually appears in the client) could not have: a) blood b) sexual references c) nudity d) f-bombs What in EVE would significantly benefit from these things? Sure, our agents dropping f-bombs would be pretty entertaining, and our corpses could have actual balls, but not much else really. Topless dancers in ambulation would be entertaining, but then I'm fairly certain no one would ever undock again. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
Hellinthose	Posted - 2008.11.23 06:01:00 - [39] Originally by: Gnomes Rock Because there needs to be boobs ingame to make it an adult game. No boobs = teen. I want boobs in game !!!
Minny Sky	Posted - 2008.11.23 06:36:00 - [40] because of all the sex oh yeah, cant wait for my female avatar when ambulatinn comes out

Pr1ncess Alia Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.11.23 07:45:00 - [41] Originally by: Plim Originally by: Arvald Originally by: Terianna Eri At least we don't have security cameras posted everywhere like they do in the UK as far as we know The NSA carries out the role in various other ways. i'm the nsa agent itt Originally by: F90OEX CCP Employees who are parents should ask themselves would they want there younger teens playing eve .. In a game that promotes scamming, back stabbing spying etc, me thinks not ... they gotta learn some time. if some kids didn't learn about scamming, back stabbing and spying at a young age we wouldn't have any good NSA agents
Furb Killer Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.23 09:05:00 - [42] Why wouldnt it be teen rated? Arent enough shooters also teen rated? RTS games where thousands are killed in each game. --------------------------------------------- Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
Troezar Fatality.	Posted - 2008.11.23 09:09:00 - [43] Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: Ticondrius Teen rating = more USD for CCP. For the rest of the world, they could rate it XXXxXXX and the 10 year-olds would still play. So, Americans, enjoying your Net Nanny government? The phenomenon in question is a result of the country being founded by puritans, not of some sort of "net nanny" thing. At least we don't have security cameras posted everywhere like they do in the UK True your teens shoot each other, come to think about it so do ours. Maybe we have more in common than you realised
Mankirks Wife Caldari Space Furry Association	Posted - 2008.11.23 11:35:00 - [44] Originally by: Cyriel Longinus Another observation: We do have phallic ships ingame. Has anyone looked underneath the Megathron and not question why a ship would need a set of ballz? It's the Eve version of truck balls. --- Originally by: tarin adur Also, cuz Sporks are like minmatar,do lots of things ok...but nothing spectacularly.


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