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Kurenin	Posted - 2004.07.11 16:28:00 - [31] I have been getting litterally 4 - 8 minutes of network lag in combat with 3 or more participants. For example; Fight 1; 20 ships, Malediction ship ------------------------------------------------------------ Gamelog Listener: Kurenin Session started: 2004.07.10 18:33:20 ------------------------------------------------------------ [ 2004.07.10 18:33:23 ] (notify) Autopilot disabled - waypoint reached [ 2004.07.10 18:33:23 ] (notify) Autopilot disabled - Waypoint reached [ 2004.07.10 18:34:05 ] (notify) Something has started trying to warp scramble Something [ 2004.07.10 18:34:07 ] (notify) Something has started trying to warp scramble Something [ 2004.07.10 18:34:13 ] (notify) chim [XAN] has started trying to warp scramble the Battleship, "Energo [RUSH.]" [ 2004.07.10 18:34:26 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable. [ 2004.07.10 18:34:37 ] (notify) Krle [4S] has started trying to warp scramble the Capsule, "Energo [RUSH.]" [ 2004.07.10 18:35:37 ] (notify) Tieger [FINFL] has started trying to target jam the Frigate, "Hollo Caerian [UAI]". [ 2004.07.10 18:35:37 ] (notify) Tieger [FINFL] has started trying to target jam the Frigate, "Hollo Caerian [UAI]". [ 2004.07.10 18:35:37 ] (notify) Tieger [FINFL] has started trying to target jam the Frigate, "Hollo Caerian [UAI]". [ 2004.07.10 18:35:37 ] (notify) Tieger [FINFL] has started trying to target jam the Frigate, "Hollo Caerian [UAI]". [ 2004.07.10 18:35:37 ] (notify) Tieger [FINFL] has started trying to target jam the Frigate, "Hollo Caerian [UAI]". [ 2004.07.10 18:35:41 ] (notify) Kraust [XAN] has started trying to target jam the Frigate, "Hollo Caerian [UAI]". [ 2004.07.10 18:35:41 ] (notify) Kraust [XAN] has started trying to target jam the Frigate, "Hollo Caerian [UAI]". [ 2004.07.10 18:35:42 ] (notify) Kraust [XAN] has started trying to target jam the Frigate, "Hollo Caerian [UAI]". [ 2004.07.10 18:35:42 ] (notify) Kraust [XAN] has started trying to target jam the Frigate, "Hollo Caerian [UAI]". [ 2004.07.10 18:35:42 ] (notify) Kraust [XAN] has started trying to target jam the Frigate, "Hollo Caerian [UAI]". [ 2004.07.10 18:35:44 ] (notify) Krle [4S] has started trying to warp scramble the Frigate, "Hollo Caerian [UAI]" [ 2004.07.10 18:36:20 ] (notify) An attempt is underway to activate the module. Please wait untill that has completed. [ 2004.07.10 18:36:32 ] (notify) An attempt is underway to activate the module. Please wait untill that has completed. [ 2004.07.10 18:36:38 ] (notify) An attempt is underway to activate the module. Please wait untill that has completed. [ 2004.07.10 18:36:46 ] (notify) An attempt is underway to activate the module. Please wait untill that has completed. [ 2004.07.10 18:36:57 ] (notify) Vinke [XAN] has started trying to warp scramble the Capsule, "Hollo Caerian [UAI]" [ 2004.07.10 18:36:57 ] (notify) chim [XAN] has started trying to warp scramble the Capsule, "Hollo Caerian [UAI]" [ 2004.07.10 18:37:02 ] (notify) An attempt is underway to activate the module. Please wait untill that has completed. [ 2004.07.10 18:38:48 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Dual Anode Pulse Particle Stream I hits Chernobyl, doing 30.4 damage. [ 2004.07.10 18:38:49 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Dual Anode Pulse Particle Stream I barely scratches Chernobyl, causing 20.0 damage. [ 2004.07.10 18:38:50 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Medium Anode Pulse Particle Stream I places an excellent hit on Chernobyl, inflicting 74.2 damage. [ 2004.07.10 18:38:51 ] (combat) Your Dual Anode Pulse Particle Stream I glances off Chernobyl, causing no real damage. [ 2004.07.10 18:38:52 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Medium Anode Pulse Particle Stream I lightly hits Chernobyl, doing 36.9 damage. [ 2004.07.10 18:38:54 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Dual Anode Pulse Particle Stream I barely scratches Chernobyl, causing 22.6 damage. 5 minutes lag, was only able to engage 2 modules. There have been more, but the logs are nowhere to be seen. All combat with more than 2 people I have been involved in has seen me in non stop lag for 4-10 minutes. I have a 56k, however this was not an issue before the last patch. It is not graphical lag though. ----- [22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas? [22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming Inactivity wins you.
Kurenin	Posted - 2004.07.11 16:28:00 - [32] I have been getting litterally 4 - 8 minutes of network lag in combat with 3 or more participants. For example; Fight 1; 20 ships, Malediction ship ------------------------------------------------------------ Gamelog Listener: Kurenin Session started: 2004.07.10 18:33:20 ------------------------------------------------------------ [ 2004.07.10 18:33:23 ] (notify) Autopilot disabled - waypoint reached [ 2004.07.10 18:33:23 ] (notify) Autopilot disabled - Waypoint reached [ 2004.07.10 18:34:05 ] (notify) Something has started trying to warp scramble Something [ 2004.07.10 18:34:07 ] (notify) Something has started trying to warp scramble Something [ 2004.07.10 18:34:13 ] (notify) chim [XAN] has started trying to warp scramble the Battleship, "Energo [RUSH.]" [ 2004.07.10 18:34:26 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable. [ 2004.07.10 18:34:37 ] (notify) Krle [4S] has started trying to warp scramble the Capsule, "Energo [RUSH.]" [ 2004.07.10 18:35:37 ] (notify) Tieger [FINFL] has started trying to target jam the Frigate, "Hollo Caerian [UAI]". [ 2004.07.10 18:35:37 ] (notify) Tieger [FINFL] has started trying to target jam the Frigate, "Hollo Caerian [UAI]". [ 2004.07.10 18:35:37 ] (notify) Tieger [FINFL] has started trying to target jam the Frigate, "Hollo Caerian [UAI]". [ 2004.07.10 18:35:37 ] (notify) Tieger [FINFL] has started trying to target jam the Frigate, "Hollo Caerian [UAI]". [ 2004.07.10 18:35:37 ] (notify) Tieger [FINFL] has started trying to target jam the Frigate, "Hollo Caerian [UAI]". [ 2004.07.10 18:35:41 ] (notify) Kraust [XAN] has started trying to target jam the Frigate, "Hollo Caerian [UAI]". [ 2004.07.10 18:35:41 ] (notify) Kraust [XAN] has started trying to target jam the Frigate, "Hollo Caerian [UAI]". [ 2004.07.10 18:35:42 ] (notify) Kraust [XAN] has started trying to target jam the Frigate, "Hollo Caerian [UAI]". [ 2004.07.10 18:35:42 ] (notify) Kraust [XAN] has started trying to target jam the Frigate, "Hollo Caerian [UAI]". [ 2004.07.10 18:35:42 ] (notify) Kraust [XAN] has started trying to target jam the Frigate, "Hollo Caerian [UAI]". [ 2004.07.10 18:35:44 ] (notify) Krle [4S] has started trying to warp scramble the Frigate, "Hollo Caerian [UAI]" [ 2004.07.10 18:36:20 ] (notify) An attempt is underway to activate the module. Please wait untill that has completed. [ 2004.07.10 18:36:32 ] (notify) An attempt is underway to activate the module. Please wait untill that has completed. [ 2004.07.10 18:36:38 ] (notify) An attempt is underway to activate the module. Please wait untill that has completed. [ 2004.07.10 18:36:46 ] (notify) An attempt is underway to activate the module. Please wait untill that has completed. [ 2004.07.10 18:36:57 ] (notify) Vinke [XAN] has started trying to warp scramble the Capsule, "Hollo Caerian [UAI]" [ 2004.07.10 18:36:57 ] (notify) chim [XAN] has started trying to warp scramble the Capsule, "Hollo Caerian [UAI]" [ 2004.07.10 18:37:02 ] (notify) An attempt is underway to activate the module. Please wait untill that has completed. [ 2004.07.10 18:38:48 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Dual Anode Pulse Particle Stream I hits Chernobyl, doing 30.4 damage. [ 2004.07.10 18:38:49 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Dual Anode Pulse Particle Stream I barely scratches Chernobyl, causing 20.0 damage. [ 2004.07.10 18:38:50 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Medium Anode Pulse Particle Stream I places an excellent hit on Chernobyl, inflicting 74.2 damage. [ 2004.07.10 18:38:51 ] (combat) Your Dual Anode Pulse Particle Stream I glances off Chernobyl, causing no real damage. [ 2004.07.10 18:38:52 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Medium Anode Pulse Particle Stream I lightly hits Chernobyl, doing 36.9 damage. [ 2004.07.10 18:38:54 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Dual Anode Pulse Particle Stream I barely scratches Chernobyl, causing 22.6 damage. 5 minutes lag, was only able to engage 2 modules. There have been more, but the logs are nowhere to be seen. All combat with more than 2 people I have been involved in has seen me in non stop lag for 4-10 minutes. I have a 56k, however this was not an issue before the last patch. It is not graphical lag though. ----- [22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas? [22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming Inactivity wins you.
Kurenin	Posted - 2004.07.11 16:31:00 - [33] (note as soon as the invul messages end, I have the person logged, and have tried to engage my modules.) ----- [22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas? [22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming Inactivity wins you.
Kurenin	Posted - 2004.07.11 16:31:00 - [34] (note as soon as the invul messages end, I have the person logged, and have tried to engage my modules.) ----- [22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas? [22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming Inactivity wins you.
Mikelangelo	Posted - 2004.07.11 18:11:00 - [35] Wow ! So basically you're telling me that ANY graphics card is going to completely CHOKE trying to render 100+ models of battleships? And that the game engine tries to render them all regardless of range and the devs DID NOT know about this???
Mikelangelo	Posted - 2004.07.11 18:11:00 - [36] Wow ! So basically you're telling me that ANY graphics card is going to completely CHOKE trying to render 100+ models of battleships? And that the game engine tries to render them all regardless of range and the devs DID NOT know about this???
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2004.07.11 19:51:00 - [37] Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 11/07/2004 20:27:02 We really need an official statement answering if polygons scale down with range, and if not, why your graphical coders aren't fired yet
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2004.07.11 19:51:00 - [38] Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 11/07/2004 20:27:02 We really need an official statement answering if polygons scale down with range, and if not, why your graphical coders aren't fired yet
Jonkai	Posted - 2004.07.11 21:22:00 - [39] Cheers for taking the time out to test this, well done. Like many others I think we need an official response to this.
Jonkai	Posted - 2004.07.11 21:22:00 - [40] Cheers for taking the time out to test this, well done. Like many others I think we need an official response to this.

British Knights	Posted - 2004.07.12 00:27:00 - [41] Unfortunately this isn't a great test to compare since not only are the convoys missing models but they have no AI so your computer doesn't need to get the AI. I have a feeling the problem is an SQL hit that with the 150 real NPCs that it has to send all of their true AI information to you.
British Knights	Posted - 2004.07.12 00:27:00 - [42] Unfortunately this isn't a great test to compare since not only are the convoys missing models but they have no AI so your computer doesn't need to get the AI. I have a feeling the problem is an SQL hit that with the 150 real NPCs that it has to send all of their true AI information to you.
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2004.07.12 00:32:00 - [43] Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 12/07/2004 00:33:52 That's server based. On his end, all that should be coming through is what the NPC are actually doing, not their thought process, which shouldn't make it any different than fighting players Besides, the AI isn't exactly Far Cry quality in Eve. Consists of "orbit enemy, shoot til dead."
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2004.07.12 00:32:00 - [44] Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 12/07/2004 00:33:52 That's server based. On his end, all that should be coming through is what the NPC are actually doing, not their thought process, which shouldn't make it any different than fighting players Besides, the AI isn't exactly Far Cry quality in Eve. Consists of "orbit enemy, shoot til dead."
Sinist	Posted - 2004.07.12 00:55:00 - [45] If Clawhammer can spawn NPC's why cant he spawn Player ships? WHy not organize a non hositle gathering of two fleets so we can guage the effect of lag and under what circumstances. Entropy is a start. TQ is even better. I dont doubt that a GUI option to turn off models and sound would make Eve 100-200% faster?
Sinist	Posted - 2004.07.12 00:55:00 - [46] If Clawhammer can spawn NPC's why cant he spawn Player ships? WHy not organize a non hositle gathering of two fleets so we can guage the effect of lag and under what circumstances. Entropy is a start. TQ is even better. I dont doubt that a GUI option to turn off models and sound would make Eve 100-200% faster?
Christopher Scott	Posted - 2004.07.12 02:06:00 - [47] Originally by: British Knights Unfortunately this isn't a great test to compare since not only are the convoys missing models but they have no AI so your computer doesn't need to get the AI. I have a feeling the problem is an SQL hit that with the 150 real NPCs that it has to send all of their true AI information to you. It has nothing to do with the AI, as the lag is present with any type of model. That includes cargo cans, asteroids, drones(even abandoned), and player-controleld ships. The NPCs actually lag much less than player ships. Having 150 player ships within the same grid (remember the misu banya event?) is pure evil.
Christopher Scott	Posted - 2004.07.12 02:06:00 - [48] Originally by: British Knights Unfortunately this isn't a great test to compare since not only are the convoys missing models but they have no AI so your computer doesn't need to get the AI. I have a feeling the problem is an SQL hit that with the 150 real NPCs that it has to send all of their true AI information to you. It has nothing to do with the AI, as the lag is present with any type of model. That includes cargo cans, asteroids, drones(even abandoned), and player-controleld ships. The NPCs actually lag much less than player ships. Having 150 player ships within the same grid (remember the misu banya event?) is pure evil.
Ris Dnalor	Posted - 2004.07.12 03:00:00 - [49] hermph, no wonder my poor little 750 mghrtz is using 100% resources so often...... -- Jump Drive Operation / Rank 5 / SP: 1280000 of 1280000
Ris Dnalor	Posted - 2004.07.12 03:00:00 - [50] hermph, no wonder my poor little 750 mghrtz is using 100% resources so often...... -- Jump Drive Operation / Rank 5 / SP: 1280000 of 1280000

Judicator	Posted - 2004.07.12 09:29:00 - [51] The devs already stated that they will not do this. THey do not wish for ppl to play their beloved game in wireframe mode. Beyond stupid I say. Why do they care how I play the game? I don't want fancy gfx and laggy laggy. I want it to run smooth even if I have to reduce everything to boxes. It's not like you can see the models when you are zoomed out anyways. I'd like to be abel to turn off missile explosions etc. I have however been todl you can actually just edit the game files to remove the models so just the icon is left. I gotta mess with that myself. Turn off drones etc. Would be sweet. Maybe see if one can replace the models with low polyon models or somesuch. -------------------------
Judicator	Posted - 2004.07.12 09:29:00 - [52] The devs already stated that they will not do this. THey do not wish for ppl to play their beloved game in wireframe mode. Beyond stupid I say. Why do they care how I play the game? I don't want fancy gfx and laggy laggy. I want it to run smooth even if I have to reduce everything to boxes. It's not like you can see the models when you are zoomed out anyways. I'd like to be abel to turn off missile explosions etc. I have however been todl you can actually just edit the game files to remove the models so just the icon is left. I gotta mess with that myself. Turn off drones etc. Would be sweet. Maybe see if one can replace the models with low polyon models or somesuch. -------------------------
The Chef	Posted - 2004.07.12 09:45:00 - [53] Edited by: The Chef on 12/07/2004 09:46:21 Originally by: BobGhengisKhan We really need an official statement answering if polygons scale down with range, and if not, why your graphical coders aren't fired yet I don't think just firing them would be punishment enough. Perhaps some sort of "throw rotten fruit at CCP graphics coders" event would be in order? ==================================== EVEkill Visit our homepage
The Chef	Posted - 2004.07.12 09:45:00 - [54] Edited by: The Chef on 12/07/2004 09:46:21 Originally by: BobGhengisKhan We really need an official statement answering if polygons scale down with range, and if not, why your graphical coders aren't fired yet I don't think just firing them would be punishment enough. Perhaps some sort of "throw rotten fruit at CCP graphics coders" event would be in order? ==================================== EVEkill Visit our homepage
Kerosene	Posted - 2004.07.12 09:49:00 - [55] I will give 10 million isk to the bright spark that manages to replaces all my models on the client with say... 100 pixel cubed boxes of colour depending on class/size/type of entity.
Kerosene	Posted - 2004.07.12 09:49:00 - [56] I will give 10 million isk to the bright spark that manages to replaces all my models on the client with say... 100 pixel cubed boxes of colour depending on class/size/type of entity.
Christopher Scott	Posted - 2004.07.12 12:34:00 - [57] Hmm.. 10mil you say?
Christopher Scott	Posted - 2004.07.12 12:34:00 - [58] Hmm.. 10mil you say?
Hamatitio	Posted - 2004.07.12 17:57:00 - [59] Edited by: Hamatitio on 12/07/2004 17:58:54 Devs dont read the patch review, everyone knows this :) They just pretend too so that you post ideas here and stop petitioning about them! It's a conspiracy i tells ya conspiracy! -- Director of Ganking: Death Row Inc.
Hamatitio	Posted - 2004.07.12 17:57:00 - [60] Edited by: Hamatitio on 12/07/2004 17:58:54 Devs dont read the patch review, everyone knows this :) They just pretend too so that you post ideas here and stop petitioning about them! It's a conspiracy i tells ya conspiracy! -- Director of Ganking: Death Row Inc.



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