Did you research it on NPC station?

No, you didn't.

Not anymore since now everyone knows...

i think t2 bpc should be nerfed, they are destroying the t2bpo's. invention needs to be nerfed and made much harder so my t2bpo's becomes more valueble.

HULK, not HML, you spaz. As in, the damn friggin' exhumer. The ship. The one you fly in. To mine ore.

46 pages later, and you guys are STILL feeding the trolls. Amazing.

Still waiting for CCP to destroy the T3 manufacture by seeding T3BPO's. After all ''BPO's have no market effect'' said by a douche at ccp, so why should they not seed more BPO's both t2 and t3?

CCP grow some balls and fix your mistakes other wise follow through with them. Don't just stop at being half a tard either go full on tard by seeding more BPO's for t2 and t3 or actually gain some intelligence and remove T2BPO's.

After all ''BPO's have no market effect'' said by a douche at ccp

It's pretty clear to me that both Jorma and Brewlar honestly believe what they're saying even after every point they've tried to make has been discredited. Which makes them fanatics, not trolls.

In March 2012, the percentage of ships produce from invention:

90.23% of Hulks,
67.85% of Sabres
65.01% of Wolves
22.16% of Pilgrims
6.00% of Eagles

Now, THAT is actually an interesting bit of data... and a strong argument for killing T2 BPOs, the first one I've seen.

I've been building T2 hulls for a couple of years now. In particular, Hulks and Mackinaws. Why only barges? Because combat T2 hulls aren't profitable. Never have been. (1) We're talking maybe five percent margins most of the time, at which point there's no reason to go into the market. And I've always wondered who these idiots are, who keep the prices on T2 hulls below cost so much of the time. Now I know.

T2 ammo, drone, and module BPOs aren't a significant barrier to entry for new players looking to go industrialist. I know that, I've competed successfully against BPO holders in those markets, and I've talked about it on this forum. However, it is apparent that T2 hull BPOs are such a barrier.


-t is data-driven

1) There's actually a weird price spike going on with a particular subset of combat hulls in a particular place during the past couple of months... I won't say which ones or where, because I'm exploiting it as fast as I can invent. If anybody wants to ask me, the trend on prices on that set of hulls shows them being back down to 0% margin in about a month and I'll talk about it then :)

Now, THAT is actually an interesting bit of data... and a strong argument for killing T2 BPOs, the first one I've seen.

I've been building T2 hulls for a couple of years now. In particular, Hulks and Mackinaws. Why only barges? Because combat T2 hulls aren't profitable. Never have been. (1) We're talking maybe five percent margins most of the time, at which point there's no reason to go into the market. And I've always wondered who these idiots are, who keep the prices on T2 hulls below cost so much of the time. Now I know.

I don't understand what the Double Face Palm is for..... what did I do????

You bumped this thread...which was dead for over a month

It's the same back and forth, no one adds anything different and no one is convinced of anything one way or the other. It needs to die and get locked indefinitely.

You want a no risk, little effort, ISK-printing Mackinaw BPO? No.

That goes against everything Eve Online is about. In this way T2 BPOs are probably the worst feature in the game. Sorry, T2 BPO owners. With no other meaningful asset can you say "sorry this is mine and you can't have one like it, ever".

Hi. I wasn't going to comment in this thread but I see it's still going. I'm speaking as someone who "won" a T2 BPO years ago and made a nice profit on it.

There are no BPOs for Tech2 BS or Tech3 and the markets for them are fine.

You want to shoot players? Go for it.
You want a BPO for a Tech 1 ship? Buy it.
You want to make special Tech 2 items? Invention.
You want to produce Technetium? Alchemy or claim a Tech moon.

That goes against everything Eve Online is about. In this way T2 BPOs are probably the worst feature in the game. Sorry, T2 BPO owners. With no other meaningful asset can you say "sorry this is mine and you can't have one like it, ever".

funny you mentioned the T2 BS....There is prolly no market beeing more unstable than these. Before you say anything smart again, try to make a golem and sell it in jita without making a loss.... so bad.

You want a no risk, little effort, ISK-printing Mackinaw BPO? buy one on forums and do so <---- whats wrong with that?

Oh unique Items are bad and stand (apparently) against anything eve stands for, you say? why is CCP giving new, absolute unique items out every year at the tournies, then?

If the Golem is not profitable then invent something else. If enough people do this then it will become profitable. Just like all other industry in the game. BTW you might want to move out of Jita. I would suggest Lonetrek or maybe the Rens area.

There's nothing wrong with buying or selling stuff on forums. What I'm saying is, getting something on the forum should be an option, not a necessity. With anything else in the game, I can get it in-game if I work enough towards it.

They give out unique ships, right (Freki, Mimir, Adrestia, Utu, etc)? I'm not sure how much practical value they have other than bragging rights and being collectors' items.

With no other meaningful asset can you say "sorry this is mine and you can't have one like it, ever".

lol, so your saying that Marauders market is just fine, but recommend to invent something else because its not profitable?

BTW other T2 Ships (Hulk, Huginn, Scimitar etc.) with BPO`s are still profitable even when selling in Jita...im not making anything of these things anyway, but thanks for the advice

1. wrong again...T2 BPO`s can and are getting purchased via public contracts.
2. titans and supers cant be purchased via market/contracts either...so?

what now, the asset has to be profitable to apply to this?

Yeah that's why I would love to be able to produce one of these from BPO. No risk, little effort income.

I think you're completely missing my point. I have no problem with trading stuff on market, forum, contracts, Chribba, etc.

My point is that with any item in the game I can work towards building or otherwise obtaining it without relying on getting it from someone who already has it (by hunting for the right officer spawn, by buying a BPO, by starting a factory job or putting up a POS, etc). For instance I can mine or make an alt and train him to help me mine. But I can never create a T2 BPO or create an alt to train him to make one.