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Kurt Ambrose
Caldari Digital assassins G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.11.24 08:38:00 -
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Before Patch: "cry cry my missiles wont hit nano ships!"
After Patch: "Haha! adapt or die nano***s.... wait WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO MY MISSILES?"
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Hyveres
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.24 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kurt Ambrose Before Patch: "cry cry my missiles wont hit nano ships!"
After Patch: "Haha! adapt or die nano***s.... wait WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO MY MISSILES?"
Nah its more like , why did I waste 3-4 months on missiles instead of training a functioning weaponsystem :)
Ah well missiles will be repowered in a year or 3 :P
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Karille
Gallente Lordless
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Posted - 2008.11.24 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Hyveres
Originally by: Kurt Ambrose Before Patch: "cry cry my missiles wont hit nano ships!"
After Patch: "Haha! adapt or die nano***s.... wait WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO MY MISSILES?"
Nah its more like , why did I waste 3-4 months on missiles instead of training a functioning weaponsystem :)
Ah well missiles will be repowered in a year or 3 :P
As soon as you figure out how to use them.
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Hyveres
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.24 11:16:00 -
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Edited by: Hyveres on 24/11/2008 11:17:25
Originally by: Karille As soon as you figure out how to use them.
As long as my nightmare outperforms my CNR against everything except angels there are no reason to use the CNR(except vs angels).
Tbh I regret spending the time upping missile skills when T2 tachs are so much better. For close range frigates you use drones anyway , all other circumstances turrets > missiles.
You do ofcourse the fact that missileships in general have inferior tank to their turretbased counterparts. Which for raven hulls become even more critical in fleets where armourtanking and RR is a lot more common than shield transfers.
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iloni atoriandra
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.11.24 12:02:00 -
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My Raven alt still does L4s piece of cake wthout any problems. Use drones for frigs/cruisers just like every other race has to do.
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Ian Luxor
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.24 12:20:00 -
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My List:
Key Solution... Drones engaging small Targets
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Essack Leadae
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.24 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: iloni atoriandra My Raven alt still does L4s piece of cake wthout any problems. Use drones for frigs/cruisers just like every other race has to do.
Yeah, like every other race.
It is funny to read some players say that variety exists in EvE, but in fact it isn't.
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iloni atoriandra
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.11.24 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Essack Leadae
Originally by: iloni atoriandra My Raven alt still does L4s piece of cake wthout any problems. Use drones for frigs/cruisers just like every other race has to do.
Yeah, like every other race.
It is funny to read some players say that variety exists in EvE, but in fact it isn't.
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Kelshron
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Posted - 2008.11.24 12:52:00 -
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In the weeks leading up to the patch notes for QR being released, I had been heavily training missile & shield skills specifically for running Level 4 missions in my Navy Raven. Having read the patch notes, I wasn't too happy about the way things were looking.
After the patch there was a definite downturn in the effect of the missiles, but after replacing 1 booster amp with a painter and fitting a second BCU, its not that bad. It doesn't take any longer than it used to, I'm still popping frigs & destroyers in 1 or 2 volleys with Tech I cruise missiles. If they get closer, Tech II light drones kill them.
It does affect the tank, I can't perma rep anymore, but it's no big deal, just turn on and off when needed.
Against Battleships, I'm getting the same damage now as I was before QR, popped in 5-6 volleys. I also carry 5 medium tech II drones to help with the BS's.
It's more important now to use the correct damage types on drones and missile, it didn't matter that much before. A painter definitely helps especially with all the support skills for it.
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Ethidium Bromide
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.24 13:10:00 -
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Edited by: Ethidium Bromide on 24/11/2008 13:12:11
Originally by: Kelshron In the weeks leading up to the patch notes for QR being released, I had been heavily training missile & shield skills specifically for running Level 4 missions in my Navy Raven. Having read the patch notes, I wasn't too happy about the way things were looking.
After the patch there was a definite downturn in the effect of the missiles, but after replacing 1 booster amp with a painter and fitting a second BCU, its not that bad. It doesn't take any longer than it used to, I'm still popping frigs & destroyers in 1 or 2 volleys with Tech I cruise missiles. If they get closer, Tech II light drones kill them.
It does affect the tank, I can't perma rep anymore, but it's no big deal, just turn on and off when needed.
Against Battleships, I'm getting the same damage now as I was before QR, popped in 5-6 volleys. I also carry 5 medium tech II drones to help with the BS's.
It's more important now to use the correct damage types on drones and missile, it didn't matter that much before. A painter definitely helps especially with all the support skills for it.
it is really good to see someone who gives detailed information on how the patch affected the CNR / cruise missiles for missions and that you can adapt if you want to. gives back some of the faith i lost in people out there having brains after all and not everyone was born with a 'whine-gland' on perma-discharge.
Originally by: George Petsch Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
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Another Forum'Alt
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Posted - 2008.11.24 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Karille PVE is fine, i have crap skills and can complete every level 4 missions i have attempted since the patch.
/thread
How many times longer does it take than pre nerf?
Vote with your wallet, see if CCP can survive without 70% of players.
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Karille
Gallente Lordless
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Posted - 2008.11.24 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Another Forum'Alt
Originally by: Karille PVE is fine, i have crap skills and can complete every level 4 missions i have attempted since the patch.
/thread
How many times longer does it take than pre nerf?
Vote with your wallet, see if CCP can survive without 70% of players.
None times longer.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2008.11.24 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Another Forum'Alt
Originally by: Karille PVE is fine, i have crap skills and can complete every level 4 missions i have attempted since the patch.
/thread
How many times longer does it take than pre nerf?
Vote with your wallet, see if CCP can survive without 70% of players.
While my skills aren't exactly crap for L4 (still working on T2 large guns though) I'd agree with Karille, L4 PvE is just fine, missions take a tiny bit longer as my BS is now a bit slower but that's about it.
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Rachel Voegel
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Posted - 2008.11.24 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tiirae Here: Missile Guide ... it hasn't been updated with the same stats as the new code but the principles are the same.
I thought they had changed the missile damage formula, making that whole guide misleading.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.24 15:48:00 -
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I started my first mission after the QR yesterday and it feels like it even became a bit easier for me. I use a fast Battleship with AB and 800mm AC and aside from Frigs there were really no problems, it feels even a bit easier to tank incoming damage with moving fast between a group of NPC BS.
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.24 16:03:00 -
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Everyone talks about drones to kill the inties and small ships in missions but it's not as easy as it seems. You aggro one group and get a coule of small ships on you, that's fine. You take out the big stuff and leave the small fry till last. The problem is that the small fry are webbing and scrambling you so you need to get rid of them before taking on the main group.
Launch drones and get them.. Oh, the ships that were passive are now shooting at my drones. Now my drones have gone, I have nothing to hit the small stuff with adn my guns/missiles do nothing to them. Since they are scrambling me, all I can do is keep on flying forward and hope they give up.
2 hours later...
Missiles and guns pre-nerf had little enough chance to kill the frigates etc before they reached you, now you can't even kill them at all without drones. Once you launch the drones, they suddenly draw aggro from everything. Absolutely amazing since your ship that is considerably larger has not attracted their attention. So they seem to be oblivious to the rhino but can easily see the flies around it's butt hole.
-- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again |
Karille
Gallente Lordless
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Posted - 2008.11.24 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Dantes Revenge Everyone talks about drones to kill the inties and small ships in missions but it's not as easy as it seems. You aggro one group and get a coule of small ships on you, that's fine. You take out the big stuff and leave the small fry till last. The problem is that the small fry are webbing and scrambling you so you need to get rid of them before taking on the main group.
Launch drones and get them.. Oh, the ships that were passive are now shooting at my drones. Now my drones have gone, I have nothing to hit the small stuff with adn my guns/missiles do nothing to them. Since they are scrambling me, all I can do is keep on flying forward and hope they give up.
2 hours later...
Missiles and guns pre-nerf had little enough chance to kill the frigates etc before they reached you, now you can't even kill them at all without drones. Once you launch the drones, they suddenly draw aggro from everything. Absolutely amazing since your ship that is considerably larger has not attracted their attention. So they seem to be oblivious to the rhino but can easily see the flies around it's butt hole.
Lies, i run missions in an ishtar. They fixed most drone aggro issues a while ago.
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iloni atoriandra
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.11.24 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kurt Ambrose Before Patch: "cry cry my missiles wont hit nano ships!"
After Patch: "Haha! adapt or die nano***s.... wait WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO MY MISSILES?"
Quoting this for awesome ironic truth :D
If you cant use your drones to kill the small ships without them getting full aggro and dying your doing something wrong.
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.11.24 18:24:00 -
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Linkage to mah article you clearly missed.
You gotta remember that the devs themselves say that EVE is pvp based. That means PVE is never going to get priority over PVP. The only way that would be possible is if CCP were to make some sort of PVE only gear. Read my article though. id go on but im just to damn tired right now
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Mistress Evita
Caldari Booze and Hookers
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Posted - 2008.11.24 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Zerode * Even heavys have a hard time hitting NPC interceptors making a Nighthawk harder to fly. It's still good at pve.
Now those light drones have a reason for being in the drone bay. And, in PvE, a Nighthawk is still very easy to fly in a mission.
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ViperVenom
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.24 18:47:00 -
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Sorry to tell you but for me.. nothing changed.. Amazing i had good skills and now they show. -QR- got rid of noobs in Ravens smashing lv'4 Now that playing field is even..
--Yarring in a system near you--
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Damace
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Posted - 2008.11.24 18:50:00 -
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I concur with the OP. My Raven is usless against drones after patch. Now I am open to trying to figure out what I need to load to handle lvl 4 missions again, especialy with webbing drones I can not hit for over 30dmg. I have seen some ideas in this thread and I am game to give them a go. I hope to get it figured out with gear and training. I trust it is possible, but again, my previous setup pre-patch no longer works on lvl 4 missions.
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Karille
Gallente Lordless
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Posted - 2008.11.24 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Damace I concur with the OP. My Raven is usless against drones after patch. Now I am open to trying to figure out what I need to load to handle lvl 4 missions again, especialy with webbing drones I can not hit for over 30dmg. I have seen some ideas in this thread and I am game to give them a go. I hope to get it figured out with gear and training. I trust it is possible, but again, my previous setup pre-patch no longer works on lvl 4 missions.
You have my thanks for trying and not whining.
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Tippia
Caldari Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2008.11.24 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Another Forum'Alt
Originally by: Karille PVE is fine, i have crap skills and can complete every level 4 missions i have attempted since the patch.
/thread
How many times longer does it take than pre nerf?
Roughly 0.8 times longer for me since it's much more viable (and more fun) to use speed to reduce damage now, rather than relying on old boring turtle-tanking…
More speed = quicker on target; faster to the next gate; quicker overall.
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Tippia
Caldari Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2008.11.24 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Dantes Revenge Everyone talks about drones to kill the inties and small ships in missions but it's not as easy as it seems.
Yes it is. You're just doing it wrong.
Quote: You aggro one group and get a coule of small ships on you, that's fine. You take out the big stuff and leave the small fry till last. The problem is that the small fry are webbing and scrambling you so you need to get rid of them before taking on the main group.
Scrambling frigs are irrelevant; webbers die if you sneeze at them; moving isn't all that required if you have long-range weapons (or at all if you make your targets come to you instead).
Quote: Launch drones and get them.. Oh, the ships that were passive are now shooting at my drones. Now my drones have gone, I have nothing to hit the small stuff with adn my guns/missiles do nothing to them.
See? I told you you were doing things wrong. You keep an eye on the non-aggroed ships (or just check eve-survival if drone aggro is a problem), and as soon as they fire, you pull your drones in. Either they return to their positions, or switch you… if #1, great; if #2, meh — fit a proper tank. And, again, webbing ships die if you accidentally use harsh language, so you can kill them in droves before the first shot has even landed on your drones.
Quote: Once you launch the drones, they suddenly draw aggro from everything.
You say this as if it was a universal truth, which it is not.
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McFly
C0LDFIRE RUDE Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.24 19:18:00 -
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I have a nighthawk for running level 4's and with 6 cal navy heavy launchers and 2 CN BCU/2 BCU II (I know 4 BCUs is too many...) But anyway, I have 3's and 4's in missile support skills, and I can still get through most lvl 4's at about the same speed. I usually kill everything off, then when there's nothing but frigates left I launch my drones let them have at it, go make a cup of coffee and bring in the salvager alt while my main's drones are working over the frigs.
I could waste ammo on them but I dont see the point. Other than that, I dont drop my drones during missions. If there is a mystery tackler, or etc I keep my drones in their bay until needed. Light T2 Flavor Specific drones still eat up mission frigs. And if you've not trained your drone skills, than do it.
In PVP Drones augment your DPS or provide EW when u can't carry it yourself. In PvE they are the only thing that will save you if your tank is failing and that griffen mission frig has you tackled. Keep them in the drone bay until needed.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.11.24 19:24:00 -
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I dunno what everyone is complaining about with drones, I hardly ever get any drone aggro on missions and I don't aggro the entire stage. __________________________________
Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
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J'Mkarr Soban
Amarr Proxenetae Invicti
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Posted - 2008.11.24 19:27:00 -
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Try a different ship? I do epic damage in my Nightmare.
-- These are my personal views and in no way represent the views of Proxenetae Invicti, which maintains a neutral stance stemming from the strong ethics demanded of its work. |
Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.24 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri I dunno what everyone is complaining about with drones, I hardly ever get any drone aggro on missions and I don't aggro the entire stage.
They don't aggro to you, the passive ones will shoot only at your drones but then ignore you if you pull your drones back in. Only when you aggro the passive ones by shooting at them that they will attack you.
Considering the fact that it takes upwards of 20 seconds with reasonable skills to lock a drone with a BS, it seems very surprising how fast the NPC's can lock them, I counted 4 to 5 seconds before one Domi started taking shots at my drones.
-- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again |
Karille
Gallente Lordless
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Posted - 2008.11.24 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Dantes Revenge
Originally by: Terianna Eri I dunno what everyone is complaining about with drones, I hardly ever get any drone aggro on missions and I don't aggro the entire stage.
They don't aggro to you, the passive ones will shoot only at your drones but then ignore you if you pull your drones back in. Only when you aggro the passive ones by shooting at them that they will attack you.
Considering the fact that it takes upwards of 20 seconds with reasonable skills to lock a drone with a BS, it seems very surprising how fast the NPC's can lock them, I counted 4 to 5 seconds before one Domi started taking shots at my drones.
NPCS have epic targeting range and speed.
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