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Pax Ratlin Gallente Woodland Larch	Posted - 2008.11.24 15:08:00 - [31] Originally by: Berious I imagine they'll steal a bunch of subs. "Twitch combat" is a feature that outweighs a lot of other considerations for many people. I'll probably try it, but doubt I'll stay for years as in Eve. If that were so they'd all be playing Vendetta Online, but they ain't.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.11.24 15:11:00 - [32] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Seth Ruin Ugh, the first Jumpgate was a complete failure... I suspect JGE will be too. You simply can't do twitch-based gaming on such a massive scale reliably yet. How massive a scale are we talking about here? Planetside did twitch/FPS gaming reasonably well on a 500-players-per map scale. We need to pour out a 40oz for Planetside. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Plim Gallente Oursulaert Technology Institute	Posted - 2008.11.24 15:23:00 - [33] I saw an interview about JGE, I thought it looked pretty crap. Your ship has 'lives' ---- Failing to understand your crazy epicycles since 2003.
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.11.24 15:26:00 - [34] Meh, I did the twitch space combat routine in Star Wars Galaxies. To me, the controls don't make the game, its how those controls are used. For all the hideous flaws in SWG, their gunboat crew set up was an absolutely brilliant sparkling gem. A separate pilot, gunners, player repair crew and co-pilot/operations officer. You ain't played a kick arse space sim until you've literally flown in combat as part of an actual ship's crew. All I had to do was announce in guildchat that I was taking the Nova Courier up and I'd have two gunners and a guy with a repair kit jumping out of their seat ready to fly. Give me something original or unique about the system to sell me on it. SWG had the player crewed gunboats. EVE gives me epic scale combat and the ability to fly the REAL heavy ships I always wanted in SWG. Thus far, no matter how pretty the skins and backgrounds are painted, JGE looks like the same kind of space shooter we've had available since X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter with network support. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
Alty MacAlterson Alt Corporation	Posted - 2008.11.24 15:29:00 - [35] WoW has more people than both therefore it is better
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.11.24 15:30:00 - [36] Originally by: Janu Hull Meh, I did the twitch space combat routine in Star Wars Galaxies. To me, the controls don't make the game, its how those controls are used. For all the hideous flaws in SWG, their gunboat crew set up was an absolutely brilliant sparkling gem. A separate pilot, gunners, player repair crew and co-pilot/operations officer. You ain't played a kick arse space sim until you've literally flown in combat as part of an actual ship's crew. All I had to do was announce in guildchat that I was taking the Nova Courier up and I'd have two gunners and a guy with a repair kit jumping out of their seat ready to fly. Give me something original or unique about the system to sell me on it. SWG had the player crewed gunboats. EVE gives me epic scale combat and the ability to fly the REAL heavy ships I always wanted in SWG. Thus far, no matter how pretty the skins and backgrounds are painted, JGE looks like the same kind of space shooter we've had available since X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter with network support. The problem was you had to do all the horrible (especially considering how good X-wing, TIE Fighter, and XvT were), PvE crap to get to the PvP area. I really doubt jumpgate is gonna capture XvT, SWG certainly didn't. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.11.24 15:46:00 - [37] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Seth Ruin Ugh, the first Jumpgate was a complete failure... I suspect JGE will be too. You simply can't do twitch-based gaming on such a massive scale reliably yet. How massive a scale are we talking about here? Planetside did twitch/FPS gaming reasonably well on a 500-players-per map scale. 500 people in the same world sure, but when I played planetside I was never on the same battlefield with more than 16 or 32. I'm pretty sure that if a hundred tried to cram themselves into the same base things would become extremely unplayable (except maybe for a bomber high above said base ). ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
Pesky LaRue Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.24 15:46:00 - [38] Originally by: OrDeR Originally by: Karille JGE saw his big brother EVE making a lot of money in his full time job so he decided to set up a lemonade stand. Eve does not turn over that much money comparing to other MMO's out there, probably one of the lowest profitable MMo's. seriously, are you high? EVE is consistently the #2 MMOG in the western world. other games may peak around launch and temporarily beat EVE (AoC, Warhammer online, you name it) but over a five-year timespan, EVE is arguably the second most success MMOG to date. where did you get your reasoning from? ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++
Rellik B00n Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.11.24 15:47:00 - [39] Originally by: Mankirks Wife And for the record, I still think they'll have lag issues - FPS-style twitch games are very, very, very intolerant of even the slightest bit of lag. wow. someone else that knows. srsly, throw one person with a ping over 100 in a nice little server and its quickly a lag hell, and if your ever daft enough to mention it the high pinger is like "My ping is only 125, its fine." shoot them all.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.11.24 15:48:00 - [40] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Seth Ruin Ugh, the first Jumpgate was a complete failure... I suspect JGE will be too. You simply can't do twitch-based gaming on such a massive scale reliably yet. How massive a scale are we talking about here? Planetside did twitch/FPS gaming reasonably well on a 500-players-per map scale. 500 people in the same world sure, but when I played planetside I was never on the same battlefield with more than 16 or 32. I'm pretty sure that if a hundred tried to cram themselves into the same base things would become extremely unplayable (except maybe for a bomber high above said base ). Oh man, you really missed out. Back in the early days there were some great over 100 fights. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Pesky LaRue Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.24 15:49:00 - [41] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Maria Kalista How can one compare a 5+ year old MMORP with something that has yet to be released? Answer: you cannot. wow, ok one last time, for the internets. the game IS released. this is nothing more an expansion on the orginal game which is also a mmorpg. ...that's not true at all, any more than EQ2 was an expansion to EQ1 - a sequel, yes, but an expansion? no ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.11.24 15:52:00 - [42] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Oh man, you really missed out. Back in the early days there were some great over 100 fights. Too bad. I played in the beta and I think I had some free play time after it launched, but I didn't care enough to pay for it. I think I was into Shattered Galaxy at that point. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
Berious Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.24 15:56:00 - [43] Originally by: Pax Ratlin Originally by: Berious I imagine they'll steal a bunch of subs. "Twitch combat" is a feature that outweighs a lot of other considerations for many people. I'll probably try it, but doubt I'll stay for years as in Eve. If that were so they'd all be playing Vendetta Online, but they ain't. Never even heard of it. Let's only consider games with a measurable amount of hype.
Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.11.24 15:56:00 - [44] i'll check it out cause i like sci fi, but instances are a major turn off for me. -- i am a humble and inefficient ammo to dps converter
Ess Erbe Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.11.24 15:57:00 - [45] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: An Anarchyyt Oh man, you really missed out. Back in the early days there were some great over 100 fights. Too bad. I played in the beta and I think I had some free play time after it launched, but I didn't care enough to pay for it. I think I was into Shattered Galaxy at that point. I was in the beta and we enjoyed both small skirmishes for towers and massive 200+ people at a single base battle. Afterburning a Galaxy into Reavers camping a tower with your squad mates in it and pushing them into a tree so they explode never got old . Pours a 40 for PlanetSide
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.11.24 15:59:00 - [46] Originally by: Berious Originally by: Pax Ratlin Originally by: Berious I imagine they'll steal a bunch of subs. "Twitch combat" is a feature that outweighs a lot of other considerations for many people. I'll probably try it, but doubt I'll stay for years as in Eve. If that were so they'd all be playing Vendetta Online, but they ain't. Never even heard of it. Let's only consider games with a measurable amount of hype. DAIKATANA WHOOOOO Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Marchocias Silent Ninja's Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.24 16:00:00 - [47] Originally by: Alty MacAlterson WoW has more people than both therefore it is better this ---- Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacoughcoughaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrr!!
Master Han The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.24 16:13:00 - [48] Originally by: Ess Erbe I was in the beta and we enjoyed both small skirmishes for towers and massive 200+ people at a single base battle. Afterburning a Galaxy into Reavers camping a tower with your squad mates in it and pushing them into a tree so they explode never got old . I remember I had a tool that would log players deaths during each base capture, routinely saw 1000+ unique names. Loved that game. First time I played in Beta, got a Galaxy and tried to fly it. Hit the ground, trees, buildings, gate pylons, and everything else on the screen. After a few days I could circle my Galaxy inside the base wall and NAP the earth with ease. But I enjoyed Planetside, esp when i got command 5 and orbital strikes. But like most games they made a fundamental game play change and lost alot of players (giant mech things). I usually play FPS games for my twitch itch, and will probably check out JGE, when it comes out. Thanks to the OP and this thread for pointing out another game to waste some money on. I will still keep my Eve account due to the challenge, depth, and fun I have here. I good game like Eve fills my (minor) obsessive compulsive gaming urge. And I have many good friends here. I would shill out some moolah if Eve created a twitch shooter flight sim, but not a FPS... Hmm could be based on the Jove/Sisters/pirate factions...
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.11.24 16:38:00 - [49] at 250,000 subscribers at 14.95 per account eve is making taking in 2.94 million pounds or just over 6 million dollars The EvE LifeÖ Blog bringing you the blogs that really matter working in conjunction with EVE Network NewsÖ
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.11.24 16:43:00 - [50] Originally by: Master Han But like most games they made a fundamental game play change and lost alot of players (giant mech things). Too be fair, since it was SOE we all knew it was doomed from the start. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Ess Erbe Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.11.24 16:47:00 - [51] Yeah, BFRs didn't really kill PS, it was more the lacklustre support from SOE for both the dev team and the game itself.
Karille Gallente Lordless	Posted - 2008.11.24 16:52:00 - [52] Pirates of the Burning Sea (lol)
Krystal Demishy	Posted - 2008.11.24 17:06:00 - [53] The screenshots looks awsome to be honest. Why can't we have a cool graphic too?
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.11.24 17:31:00 - [54] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Janu Hull Meh, I did the twitch space combat routine in Star Wars Galaxies. To me, the controls don't make the game, its how those controls are used. For all the hideous flaws in SWG, their gunboat crew set up was an absolutely brilliant sparkling gem. A separate pilot, gunners, player repair crew and co-pilot/operations officer. You ain't played a kick arse space sim until you've literally flown in combat as part of an actual ship's crew. All I had to do was announce in guildchat that I was taking the Nova Courier up and I'd have two gunners and a guy with a repair kit jumping out of their seat ready to fly. Give me something original or unique about the system to sell me on it. SWG had the player crewed gunboats. EVE gives me epic scale combat and the ability to fly the REAL heavy ships I always wanted in SWG. Thus far, no matter how pretty the skins and backgrounds are painted, JGE looks like the same kind of space shooter we've had available since X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter with network support. The problem was you had to do all the horrible (especially considering how good X-wing, TIE Fighter, and XvT were), PvE crap to get to the PvP area. I really doubt jumpgate is gonna capture XvT, SWG certainly didn't. 37 hours. The amount of time required to go from Novice Pilot to Master Pilot. Not that bad, especially if you were halfway decent at twitchfighting. That time is based on my guild leader actually starting his toon and running on caffeine and adrenaline to the Corvette run in a single setting. I will give you this, it was pretty horrible, except for passing time taking down the ISD Lagstar until someone popped into the system. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
Verx Interis Amarr Modicus Dementis	Posted - 2008.11.24 17:32:00 - [55] Originally by: Mankirks Wife And for the record, I still think they'll have lag issues - FPS-style twitch games are very, very, very intolerant of even the slightest bit of lag. This. -- Your bad loan management perfectly strikes the stock market, wrecking for -777.68 points.
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.11.24 17:42:00 - [56] I would love to be able to manually fly a rifter using the mouse, but I understand the server-load would be unacceptable. Even just an optional first-person-perspective would be great. Having said all that, what I love about EVE is the single server which makes alliance wars possible, so I'm not sure jump-gate would be for me. *Let My People Go*
Karille Gallente Lordless	Posted - 2008.11.24 18:03:00 - [57] Originally by: Poreuomai I would love to be able to manually fly a rifter using the mouse, but I understand the server-load would be unacceptable. You can at least double click fly. It's saved me on numerous occasions.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.11.24 18:16:00 - [58] I wont join that game no matter how good it might turn out. Simply because I hate anything that can be associated with FPS, twitch and WASD. Besides EVE Online have caught my interest for 3 years! I see no reason to swap out a game I am still happy with after all this time! Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Tippia Caldari Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2008.11.24 18:28:00 - [59] Originally by: An Anarchyyt We need to pour out a 40oz for Planetside. Oh yes… The sheer awsomeness of a full flight of Lodestars carrying fully-crewed Prowlers, Galaxies loaded with entire drop squads; escorted by wings upon wings of Reavers and Mossies and with Libs clearing the way before the drops. Rather lousy tactic, but hellalot of fun… No sig for me, thankyouverymuch.
Jart	Posted - 2008.11.24 21:27:00 - [60] I think the most off-putting aspect of JGE is the fact that it is a sequel. With Eve you get a game for life (hopefully), they will not drop it and develop a sequel. Imagine if you really like JGE, but it is not massively popular/profitable. Instead of developing it and making it better, they will just move onto another version.

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