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Lerixon	Posted - 2008.11.24 15:02:00 - [1] Edited by: Lerixon on 24/11/2008 15:02:47 I am currently trying to decide which is the best HAC to use for Solo PVP. My skills are more based around caldari but what ever HAC i decide to go with i am going to get my skills high up so i can use it well. So i figured i would out it up on the forums to see what people think.
royal killer Amarr Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2008.11.24 15:03:00 - [2] There is no "best" in "solo". -------------------- ding ding! Wrangler: Hello and w ding ding! Wrangler: ...damn nanowhiners.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.24 15:03:00 - [3] sac/vaga Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2008.11.24 15:15:00 - [4] Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 24/11/2008 15:15:15 Originally by: Sokratesz sac/vaga yeah sac is potent, flying it myself. you can fit all mandatory pvp stuff on it and it can tank very well.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.11.24 15:39:00 - [5] It varies by target selection and how high a priority the ability to disengage is when friends inevitably show up. From a pure combat and target selection potential, the Ishtar is the most viable thanks to it's large and flexible drone bay. An ishtar can deliver effective damage to virtually any target, and carry enough types of drones to ensure effectiveness against a huge variety of targets. The Sacriledge comes in at number two in this list for me. It hits hard and has an amazingly sturdy tank while fitting the essential requisites for PVP. The inflexiblity of the the weapon system however relegates the sacriledge to similar sized (and larger depeneding upon the ship in question) targets. The Vagabond is my pick for the best ship for solo in general. While it lacks the tanking ability and firepower of the first two ships, it can generate sufficient quantities of either. The flexability of the autocannon based weapon system gives the Vagabond a fairly wide target selection critera, mostly consisting of equal sized or smaller targets. While it was hard hit by the nano nerf, the vagabond maintains a high enough speed and agility to allow it to disengage from any ship that outguns it.
RedSplat Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.11.24 15:41:00 - [6] No one said it yet, so i will. Munin. I don't want to set the world on fire
Sean Faust Gallente Point of No Return Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.24 15:43:00 - [7] Sacrilege, Vaga, or Ishtar, although with the Vaga you have to be pickier about your targets. The simplest solution is always the best, and when it comes to solo pvp, the best ships are the ones that have the best combination of high DPS, good tank, and mid slots for utility. The Ishtar and Sacrilege, with their strong tanks and abundance of mid slots to devote to tackle, combined with capless, high damage weapons make them arguably the best ones in the game. That's not to say that they can't be beaten or countered, its just that theyre more about all-roundedness than being focused or specialized, and when you're all by your lonesome, all-roundedness > focused/specialized.
Suitonia Gallente interimo	Posted - 2008.11.24 15:57:00 - [8] Ishtar/Sacrilege/Vagabond
Endless Subversion The Accursed	Posted - 2008.11.24 16:44:00 - [9] Don't underestimate the worthlessness of having a destructable weapon system. I'd say vaga, sac, ishtar in that order for solo hacs.
arbiter reformed Minmatar Systematic Chaos.	Posted - 2008.11.24 16:47:00 - [10] destructible wepon system isnt the problem it just suck non nano.... so im gonna say vaga/sac ishtar, deimos?
Mortuus Minmatar Fat J Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.11.24 20:16:00 - [11] Vaga, fit correctly it can still catch and kill any non-frigate (and a good amount of frigates as well) while being able to get in close to a BS and avoid almost ALL gunfire while orbitting at 500m.
Fifi LeFume No Trademark	Posted - 2008.11.24 20:51:00 - [12] Originally by: arbiter reformed destructible wepon system isnt the problem it just suck non nano.... so im gonna say vaga/sac ishtar, deimos? wut?
Cyb3r Thr3at Southern Cross Empire	Posted - 2008.11.24 20:57:00 - [13] Deimos/Ishtar
Sarciss SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.11.24 21:08:00 - [14] Edited by: Sarciss on 24/11/2008 21:10:45 Ishtar/~~Pilgrim~~ You said HAC :(
Thea Arsoniztik Red Tides Viewer Discretion Advised	Posted - 2008.11.24 21:10:00 - [15] Zealot. The damage they put out is staggering.
Talon Calais Gallente Diplomatic Disruption Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.11.24 22:08:00 - [16] Zealots are pretty scary, fly a harb while training for HAC skills and you'll get a good idea of what a Zealot can do.
Tozmeister Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.11.24 22:29:00 - [17] This is one of the up sides of QR. Back in Emperyan (sp?) Age it was a one horse race, the nano vagabond. With everything else a distant second. Now, 6 or so ships up for the top slot with many arguments on all sides. Some of them with more than one cookie cutter set-up as well. +++????+++Out of Cheese Error. Redo From Start+++
Captain Falcord Gallente Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.11.24 22:34:00 - [18] Originally by: Tozmeister This is one of the up sides of QR. Back in Emperyan (sp?) Age it was a one horse race, the nano vagabond. With everything else a distant second. Now, 6 or so ships up for the top slot with many arguments on all sides. Some of them with more than one cookie cutter set-up as well. I also have that warm, fuzzy feeling of all being balanced, leaving some exceptions apart. But people will still cry, there's nothing we can do. ---<---@ JackFalcord
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates	Posted - 2008.11.24 22:37:00 - [19] Originally by: Tozmeister This is one of the up sides of QR. Back in Emperyan (sp?) Age it was a one horse race, the nano vagabond. With everything else a distant second. Now, 6 or so ships up for the top slot with many arguments on all sides. Some of them with more than one cookie cutter set-up as well. which usually means that something is ballanced
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.11.24 22:49:00 - [20] Originally by: Tozmeister This is one of the up sides of QR. Back in Emperyan (sp?) Age it was a one horse race, the nano vagabond. With everything else a distant second. Now, 6 or so ships up for the top slot with many arguments on all sides. Some of them with more than one cookie cutter set-up as well. Uh what? Vagabond was always sub par soloer compared to ishtar/sacri (even in empyrean age). And thx to +1 turret zealot also managed to overpower Vagas. It was just mediciore at best - large ceptor but lacking in many areas. QR didnt change a thing - maybe just hit vaga even worse. Isht/Sac/zealot are still awesome boats. Cerb got hit quite a bit (it really needed that 2-2,5km/s now it slugs at 1,3 which is pathetic).
Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.24 22:50:00 - [21] Originally by: Sokratesz sac/vaga
Tozmeister Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.11.24 23:28:00 - [22] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Uh what? Vagabond was always sub par soloer compared to ishtar/sacri (even in empyrean age). And thx to +1 turret zealot also managed to overpower Vagas. It was just mediciore at best - large ceptor but lacking in many areas. QR didnt change a thing - maybe just hit vaga even worse. Isht/Sac/zealot are still awesome boats. Cerb got hit quite a bit (it really needed that 2-2,5km/s now it slugs at 1,3 which is pathetic). No, Vaga was always up there as number 1 choice for many reasons, 2 off the top of my head were its ability to dictate range and speed allowing it to break contact and flee when things went south, this gave players a lot of confidence in it. The other was it's abbility to close the range on a target that only ceptors could match, allowing it to grab ratters/miners in belts that were distant to the warp in spot. The introduction of rigs and implants increased these abilitys more on the vaga than any other HAC. I should have said from EA and before, the 5 turret zealot and Mk2 Sac are still very recent changes that much of the player base never appreciated. The old 4 turret zealot and Mk1 Sac (lol) were never in the same league as a vagabond. Ishtar was always a good ship but need to close to within medium blaster range to make the most of it was a bit off-putting for some people as it was always do-or-die by that point, and you couldn't armour-buffer it without killing its speed unlike the shield-buffer vagabond. Short of collating all the solo kills from all the killboards of every single corp over the last 3 years I stand by my generalisation that the Vagabond was the best solo HAC. +++????+++Out of Cheese Error. Redo From Start+++
ViperVenom Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.24 23:53:00 - [23] If u have Hac 5/And Above Ave skill set Then the Sac with a TD and good TD skills will Pwn most every thing(Turret Based)....The bottom line is Skills and Pilot.. The Sac is my choice it can pick dmg/Tank/and dayum it sexxy... PLus 3 Light ECM drones to save your arse! Also a Muninn.. Set it up like a 1600 Rupture... With more pwnage --Yarring in a system near you--
Cyb3r Thr3at Southern Cross Empire	Posted - 2008.11.25 00:09:00 - [24] Originally by: Thea Arsoniztik Zealot. The damage they put out is staggering. Both the Deimos & Ishtar will out DPS the Zealot easily.
Hardtail Ever Flow Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.11.25 00:23:00 - [25] Originally by: Cyb3r Thr3at Originally by: Thea Arsoniztik Zealot. The damage they put out is staggering. Both the Deimos & Ishtar will out DPS the Zealot easily. in paper maybe. when you realize that the zealot will start putting out 400 dps at anything thats 35km and below instantly, as opposed to flying up to a target, or waiting for ogre II's to get there, you'll notice that the zealot actually puts out a lot more actual-situation dmg than EFT claims.
Hardtail Ever Flow Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.11.25 00:24:00 - [26] Edited by: Hardtail on 25/11/2008 00:23:48 double
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.11.25 00:26:00 - [27] Originally by: Cyb3r Thr3at Originally by: Thea Arsoniztik Zealot. The damage they put out is staggering. Both the Deimos & Ishtar will out DPS the Zealot easily. Deimos sure, but the Ishtar? Only if you're fitting guns to it and that's with Ogre IIs, which are sloooow. The zealot OTOH deals 475 dps with Scorch to anything within 35km and close to 600 with navy multifrequency from 10km. __________________________________ Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
Alt altski	Posted - 2008.11.25 00:30:00 - [28] Originally by: Hardtail Originally by: Cyb3r Thr3at Originally by: Thea Arsoniztik Zealot. The damage they put out is staggering. Both the Deimos & Ishtar will out DPS the Zealot easily. in paper maybe. when you realize that the zealot will start putting out 400 dps at anything thats 35km and below instantly, as opposed to flying up to a target, or waiting for ogre II's to get there, you'll notice that the zealot actually puts out a lot more actual-situation dmg than EFT claims. Too true. Imo though sac is the best solo hac, as its good vrs other hacs and other targets.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.11.25 05:07:00 - [29] Originally by: Thea Arsoniztik Zealot. The damage they put out is staggering. The damage yes, but things get dicy for the Zealot the minute they're expect to tackle for themselves. Yes, with MF and pulses they can dish out a tremendous amount of pain in web range, the problem is, simply put cap. Once you have the MWD, point and web and your low slots dedicated to damage and tank there isn't much room for cap mods. This leaves the cap hungry zealot at a severe disadvantage should it face anything sporting cap warfare. Of course, it can't be overstated that at close range even the fairly fast tracking pulses will have trouble tracking a cruiser sized target when hit with an (even unbonused) tracking disruptor. Finally, the Zealot has an incredibly weak sensor strength, leaving it in a precarious spot when facing anything carrying ECM drones (or, god forbid, anyone with a falcon alt considering a single amarr spec jammer on a well skilled falcon pilot will actually literally permajam you). While not damning by any means these generalized weaknesses substantially limit the target set the zealot can safely engage.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.25 06:07:00 - [30] Originally by: Thea Arsoniztik Zealot. The damage they put out is staggering. EVE history Missiles post-nerf

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