When I looked yesterday, Maelstroms were selling below mineral cost at under 205m.

I have two Maelstrom BPOs which are completely useless at such low prices.

Have i missed something here ???

personally I would like to see BS and larger ships get ridiculous so that smaller ship battles would take place instead of seeing 50+ supers and 200+ BS fighting it out. Lets see 400+ frigates and cruisers going at it!

After the Hubris of Incursions and boundless isk farming...

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I appreciate the fact that some people will actually learn for the first time that even T1 BS are not some throwaway junk you replace with half an hour of incursion running.

It's simple:

People gank our freighters. We use our isk to jack up mineral prices through rumours, speculative reasoning and just plain manipulation. Your ships now become twice as expensive.

Don't come crying you lost at pvp.

This happens more times than you would think, in a volatile market people place their sell order and go about their business. Then over the course of last weekend nocx's artificial cap was lifted and mineral prices rose. Now instead of checking their sell prices at the start of the week they just look at who they need to undercut.

I noticed passing through essence that thorax's were selling at about 8.2 mill production cost at the time was 8.4 so I bought them all :) at one point I had 300 of them, I moved them to other regions where they flew out at prices between 9.5 and even some at 11 mill.

For the sellers they may well have recovered their costs having paid for minerals at an earlier rate but technically they boo boo'd

I cant remember the last time my freighter all was this busy. Let the good times roll.

V.

Don't be a troll and think you or any traders have caused this. The prices have increased due to CCP's action and they have failed to place any sort of artificial safety net after their mass banning of bots, announcement of nefing drone minerals as well as the pax thing.

CCP is screwing with too many things at once, with the mineral markets and that has caused the speculation and rising prices. Market guys didn't cause this they just reacted to it.

I do know that BC at 50 mil ISK is bad for PVP and makes it tough for newer corps such as my own that recruit a lot of new players. I can afford to lose a 50 or 100 million ISK hull but it's much harder for our new players. This is a problem and CCP needs to address it as raising the bar on noobs will only harm the game.

Flying smaller is really not a option in most cases.

Ah yes, the "artificial cap" of being able to play the game the way you want, that is killing drones for minerals. People should be FORCED to boringly mine. FORCED TO.

You are not forced to mine, or go to null sec. Many are making a lot of ISK on these changes and hardly ever undock. By brining mining and industry to parity with shooting rats, players are being given more options, not less.

[quote=Riley Moore]It's simple:

The prices have increased due to CCP's action and they have failed to place any sort of artificial safety net after their mass banning of bots, announcement of nefing drone minerals as well as the pax thing.

CCP is screwing with too many things at once, with the mineral markets and that has caused the speculation and rising prices. Market guys didn't cause this they just reacted to it.
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I find it ironic that the general consensus has always been that CCP should never interfere with the markets, but now they FINALLY are effective against bots they should've thought of a safety net??

And anyway, flying a BS was never intended for people who just trained BS1 . I think it adds something to game experience to make flying a first BS for a new player a more rewarding experience.

As the market is universal the consequences are for everybody. So smallish gangs all have to downgrade, or spend more time mining / whatever if they don't want to do that.

In the end CCP WILL evaluate the situation though. If they come to the conclusion that (making this up) 90% of mins were botted, then there is something wrong with game mechanics and they will have to adjust to make more (real players) mine.

considering that CCP hasnt CHANGED ANYTHING about mineral resources just yet (except pax amarrian book) it's all about stockpilling and market manipulation atm.

Actually, the minerals might have been aquired by bots. Looking at plush/trit and zyd traded in jita you can assume that currently a large part of trit is probably from droneregions. However its hard to tell without knowing how large quantities that are used by the alliances that are holding drone regions as self supply.
Either way, I think trit will spike but is this really a bad thing? It will encourage players to start mining trit again. Theres tonns of systems in highsec that isnt beeing mined properly. This will likely drive the price down to some new equalibrium, but for mining to happend it has to be compedetive with other sources of low risk incomes in highsec.

Sorry for bad english

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Ive long hoped for a change that could make tech 1 ships viable and commonplace again. Id say ask some of the older pvp players from the RMR era how cool pvp was back then when t1 cruiser combat was the norm, and battleship fleet engagements of 100 or so chars was an amazing occurrence, but quite frankly i doubt you would listen and secondly, most of the older players left when the game got boring and non-consequential.