When I looked yesterday, Maelstroms were selling below mineral cost at under 205m.

I have two Maelstrom BPOs which are completely useless at such low prices.

Have i missed something here ???

personally I would like to see BS and larger ships get ridiculous so that smaller ship battles would take place instead of seeing 50+ supers and 200+ BS fighting it out. Lets see 400+ frigates and cruisers going at it!

After the Hubris of Incursions and boundless isk farming...

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I appreciate the fact that some people will actually learn for the first time that even T1 BS are not some throwaway junk you replace with half an hour of incursion running.

It's simple:

People gank our freighters. We use our isk to jack up mineral prices through rumours, speculative reasoning and just plain manipulation. Your ships now become twice as expensive.

Don't come crying you lost at pvp.

This happens more times than you would think, in a volatile market people place their sell order and go about their business. Then over the course of last weekend nocx's artificial cap was lifted and mineral prices rose. Now instead of checking their sell prices at the start of the week they just look at who they need to undercut.

I noticed passing through essence that thorax's were selling at about 8.2 mill production cost at the time was 8.4 so I bought them all :) at one point I had 300 of them, I moved them to other regions where they flew out at prices between 9.5 and even some at 11 mill.

For the sellers they may well have recovered their costs having paid for minerals at an earlier rate but technically they boo boo'd

I cant remember the last time my freighter all was this busy. Let the good times roll.

V.

Don't be a troll and think you or any traders have caused this. The prices have increased due to CCP's action and they have failed to place any sort of artificial safety net after their mass banning of bots, announcement of nefing drone minerals as well as the pax thing.

CCP is screwing with too many things at once, with the mineral markets and that has caused the speculation and rising prices. Market guys didn't cause this they just reacted to it.

I do know that BC at 50 mil ISK is bad for PVP and makes it tough for newer corps such as my own that recruit a lot of new players. I can afford to lose a 50 or 100 million ISK hull but it's much harder for our new players. This is a problem and CCP needs to address it as raising the bar on noobs will only harm the game.

Flying smaller is really not a option in most cases.

Ah yes, the "artificial cap" of being able to play the game the way you want, that is killing drones for minerals. People should be FORCED to boringly mine. FORCED TO.

You are not forced to mine, or go to null sec. Many are making a lot of ISK on these changes and hardly ever undock. By brining mining and industry to parity with shooting rats, players are being given more options, not less.

[quote=Riley Moore]It's simple:

The prices have increased due to CCP's action and they have failed to place any sort of artificial safety net after their mass banning of bots, announcement of nefing drone minerals as well as the pax thing.

CCP is screwing with too many things at once, with the mineral markets and that has caused the speculation and rising prices. Market guys didn't cause this they just reacted to it.
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I find it ironic that the general consensus has always been that CCP should never interfere with the markets, but now they FINALLY are effective against bots they should've thought of a safety net??

And anyway, flying a BS was never intended for people who just trained BS1 . I think it adds something to game experience to make flying a first BS for a new player a more rewarding experience.

As the market is universal the consequences are for everybody. So smallish gangs all have to downgrade, or spend more time mining / whatever if they don't want to do that.

In the end CCP WILL evaluate the situation though. If they come to the conclusion that (making this up) 90% of mins were botted, then there is something wrong with game mechanics and they will have to adjust to make more (real players) mine.

considering that CCP hasnt CHANGED ANYTHING about mineral resources just yet (except pax amarrian book) it's all about stockpilling and market manipulation atm.

Actually, the minerals might have been aquired by bots. Looking at plush/trit and zyd traded in jita you can assume that currently a large part of trit is probably from droneregions. However its hard to tell without knowing how large quantities that are used by the alliances that are holding drone regions as self supply.
Either way, I think trit will spike but is this really a bad thing? It will encourage players to start mining trit again. Theres tonns of systems in highsec that isnt beeing mined properly. This will likely drive the price down to some new equalibrium, but for mining to happend it has to be compedetive with other sources of low risk incomes in highsec.

Sorry for bad english

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Ive long hoped for a change that could make tech 1 ships viable and commonplace again. Id say ask some of the older pvp players from the RMR era how cool pvp was back then when t1 cruiser combat was the norm, and battleship fleet engagements of 100 or so chars was an amazing occurrence, but quite frankly i doubt you would listen and secondly, most of the older players left when the game got boring and non-consequential.

personally I would like to see BS and larger ships get ridiculous so that smaller ship battles would take place instead of seeing 50+ supers and 200+ BS fighting it out. Lets see 400+ frigates and cruisers going at it!

TEST fields battleships?

I thought tier 3 BC were pretty much all the rage these days.

They all are growing in the same similar way,.

Not immediately relevant, but circa 2005 mineral prices from memory were about this
Tritanium 1.2 (consequent years of hisec ore botting made this less available, increasing demand which to this day has continued... I mean seriously, you used to scan good roids and stop your laser a cycle before they would pop so that others can mine .6 omber and stuff as well, as the belts regenerated during downtime but if you pop a roid it will randomly respawn and have a higher % chance of becoming a new veld rock as opposed to a 'better' one)
Pyerite 2.4
Mex 32
Iso 60 ( made my first few mil in an iteron 5 hauling isogen around filling npc buy orders for 5k @ 72 or whatever)
Nocx 550 (amazing that this 'artificial high' has not changed since then... with the last month's panic excluded)
zydrine 6500
Mega 9000

The money has always been there to manipulate the market like this, but getting all those involved sailing in the right direction has always been the tricky part.

The changes made and still to come by CCP just made it easier for the marketeers to pull in the same direction instead of against each other.

Shuttles capped tritanium at 2.4 until 2008. When I started, veld roids in highsec were not mined at all - and with the old roid art, they were so huge they visually merged together in giant veldblobs.

Yep, and the NPC-sold PA books capped Nocxium right around 535 ISK, which is why Nocxium could never go above that point.

(Not sure whether there are still any NPC-sold items which reprocess at competitive prices.)

Ah yes, the "artificial cap" of being able to play the game the way you want, that is killing drones for minerals. People should be FORCED to boringly mine. FORCED TO.

Have i missed something here ???

About 3 or 4 weeks ago i was perhaps interested in buying another Battleship. I look today & whatthe hell .. over 200 mil for a Maelstrom, & even the others are rapidly rising in price.

What the hell is going on, i know there as to be some edit / (Nerf even) / on ore drops in the drone regions but to affect ships prices like this.

Who or what is playing with the prices, i know people like to have their laughs in this game but really extortionism.

What the hell happened People


Sorry bout that .. meant to say nerf not buff

You do know that ships are built from minerals right?

Minerals have doubled in price so ships will follow suit.

If you think it is bad now wait until HULKAGEDDON is in full swing as that traditionally causes a 40-60% temporary inflation.

Spend the 200 mil as in another month it will probably be over 300 mil.

There are several things driving mineral prices up right now. The drone POO nerf is a big one, combined with the massive BOT bannings,(many of the high sec minerals were supplied by bots, this supply has now dropped), And finally the coming of hulkageddon, it always drives prices up every year.

I expect it will take at least 6 months for prices to drop to a stable level. No idea what that level will be compared to what it was but I expect the average BS price to be 30-40% higher than it was a few months ago. It will most likely take another 6 months to get that low though.

They prob. wont drop back to what they were, unless CCP does something about, I can tell you right now whats going to happen. New players are going to quit before they get started, Old players are going to quit from being tired, and pvper's will stop losing/buying Mods/Ships, then indy guys will have no sells to go on. its not really that hard to predic't...like i said, unless CCP steps in....i head GW2 is supposed to be good :/

The analysis about the reason of the spike in prices are mainly wrong. The main reason is Incursions Farming.
The ISKs from Incursions drip in the general EVE economy and force all prices up.
There is no real reduction of mineral production (just look at the chart of Jita).
If the reason would be less minerals, the prices of minerals would spike but the prices of other stuff, like pos modules, fuel, T2 and T3 ships, would stay still or fall. More ISK would go to buy minerals and less would go in buying moon materials, Sleeper stuff, fuel for POS, Planetari Industrial products.

They all are growing in the same similar way, so the reason could only be ingection of liquidity in the market.

Ben Bernanke is now controlling the EVE ISK faucets and is printing, printing.

They prob. wont drop back to what they were, unless CCP does something about, I can tell you right now whats going to happen. New players are going to quit before they get started, Old players are going to quit from being tired, and pvper's will stop losing/buying Mods/Ships, then indy guys will have no sells to go on. its not really that hard to predic't...like i said, unless CCP steps in....i head GW2 is supposed to be good :/

You can start enjoying your 400 million isk abaddons pretty soon.

You are not forced to mine, or go to null sec. Many are making a lot of ISK on these changes and hardly ever undock. By brining mining and industry to parity with shooting rats, players are being given more options, not less.

Have i missed something here ???

About 3 or 4 weeks ago i was perhaps interested in buying another Battleship. I look today & whatthe hell .. over 200 mil for a Maelstrom, & even the others are rapidly rising in price.

What the hell is going on, i knwo there as to be some edit / (Nerf even) / on ore drops in the drone regions but to affect ships prices like this.

Who or what is playing with the prices, i know people like to have their laughs in this game but really extortionism.

What the hell happend People


Sorry bout that .. meant to say nerf not buff