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edeity
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Posted - 2008.11.26 04:36:00 -
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Hi,
im a management consultant IRL, with experience in structured finance, banking and equities. I put together pitches and proposals for $USD10-100M deals all the time for really intangible things. Exactly what Eve investments would be.
I make things real and by understanding what is needed by your audience to have confidence in your idea and then demonstrating WHY the confidence is warranted. Then I do some pretty diagrams about it all.
Interested to see how these skills can translate into Eve. As per real world structured finance, happy to work for a number of remuneration options:
- retainer of a regular fee (expensive, but if you do a lot of stuff all the time, worth it to you)
- On success (I share in the risk of the initiatives capital raising, this will result in the highest of all possible fees payable to me compared to other options, but you dont need to pay me if it doesnt work out)
- Upfront + On Success (lower share in upside, as some of my time risk is mitigated with an upfront payment)
- Equity position (I will only consider this if I have a substantive, trusted relationship with you)
- Time & Materials - you just pay me an hourly rate. Boring but you can control your spend and cancel if you dont think its going the way you want.
Send me ingame mail and happy to do a voice chat.
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Frenden Dax
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Posted - 2008.11.26 04:56:00 -
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Edited by: Frenden Dax on 26/11/2008 04:57:44
*unleashes grammar Nazi*
When you forget both capitalization and an apostrophe in the second word of your post, it doesn't really inspire confidence. Plus your sentence structure is kind of wierd: for example, "real and by understanding" doesn't make sense.
This is an interesting idea but I'm not sure it'll work; MD investment tends to go on the basis of reputation and audits, not fancily worded proposals. It seems almost as if you're trying to become an auditor, which is a bit different from someone putting a spin on a proposal.
edit: word filter ate some of the post.
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ofstrife
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Posted - 2008.11.26 05:09:00 -
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I'll put this bluntly. You're not going to make a lot of money doing this. Coupled with the sloppy grammar errors and typos above (you of all people should understand how that stuff works), I believe the demand for this is going to be low, sinking your chances of making much money doing this.
If you can't put together a good proposal about your IPO idea, you haven't put enough thought into it. Paying you to make it spiffy looking isn't going to get them any more money than they would have otherwise.
Also, I think that sentence was supposed to have an extra comma in it at the beginning, but the rest of the sentence is garbage too.
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edeity
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Posted - 2008.11.27 03:46:00 -
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Heh, yeah reading it again, the sentence is poor and the grammar could do with some polish. TBH im not really trying hard to pitch here, Im almost certain its a waste of time, but curious to see if there are people looking for advisory skill sets to make things happen. It's a sign of maturity in a market that this is seen as valuable. Primative market just needs primary producers, people who "do" things.
Typically this skill set is not viewed as needed to make proposals happen, because whats seen as important is the idea. If you realise you need these skills, people like me are out here. If your successful doing it yourself, all power to you.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.11.27 04:01:00 -
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 Originally by: edeity
curious to see if there are people looking for advisory skill sets to make things happen. It's a sign of maturity in a market that this is seen as valuable. Primative market just needs primary producers, people who "do" things.
I would say yes. I know for a fact as I myself have helped people in this regard. Hexxx started his reputation in this area. So if you are wondering if Eve's market has matured that much... yes, many years ago. However I would say that you are clearly not mature enough to provide such service(s) even if you are going to school for doing so. Your word choices displays your ignorance and snobbery for those "who do". I'd suggest realizing that Eve is a brutal marketplace that rarely has time for people whose contribution is purely in the realm of "non-productive"/"advisory" capacities. REMF's/ armchair quarterbacks don't survive long here.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
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Zeimanov Kalzumaan
Caldari
Haruspex Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.27 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: edeity
Heh, yeah reading it again, the sentence is poor and the grammar could do with some polish. TBH im not really trying hard to pitch here, Im almost certain its a waste of time, but curious to see if there are people looking for advisory skill sets to make things happen. It's a sign of maturity in a market that this is seen as valuable. Primative market just needs primary producers, people who "do" things.
If the poor spelling and grammer of the original post put a nail in the coffin of this idea, that post just held a mass, buried it and organised the wake.
Suggesting that the market might be too primative for your expert services has in a single stroke announced that: a) there s no value to what you are offering b) you are more of a spin doctor than of any actual use.
Look at the successful IPO's that have been launched. These succeed because the numbers work and appropriate safeguards are in place. Your "pretty diagrams" will not change either of those. You are in fact offering very little of substance - and some of your payment options are ludicrous - who is going to fund a company where part of the equity or finance raised is going into the pocket of a third part that contributes nothing to the management or funding of the company?
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.11.27 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: edeity
Hi,
im a management consultant IRL, with experience in structured finance, banking and equities. I put together pitches and proposals for $USD10-100M deals all the time for really intangible things. Exactly what Eve investments would be.
I make things real and by understanding what is needed by your audience to have confidence in your idea and then demonstrating WHY the confidence is warranted. Then I do some pretty diagrams about it all.
Interested to see how these skills can translate into Eve. As per real world structured finance, happy to work for a number of remuneration options:
- retainer of a regular fee (expensive, but if you do a lot of stuff all the time, worth it to you)
- On success (I share in the risk of the initiatives capital raising, this will result in the highest of all possible fees payable to me compared to other options, but you dont need to pay me if it doesnt work out)
- Upfront + On Success (lower share in upside, as some of my time risk is mitigated with an upfront payment)
- Equity position (I will only consider this if I have a substantive, trusted relationship with you)
- Time & Materials - you just pay me an hourly rate. Boring but you can control your spend and cancel if you dont think its going the way you want.
Send me ingame mail and happy to do a voice chat.
Heh.
I've already been involved with this for some time. You can read up on my template, my writings on defining differing financial instruments in EVE, my work in shaping Banks in EVE (directly in EBANK as Chairman of the Board, indirectly in DBANK as an advisor), my consulting work on some of the most recognized IPO's in EVE, and my trading/business workshops (google HEXXX.RAR).
Also, I work for the largest of the Big 4 accounting firms in the US (and the largest in the world). Deloitte recently lost 100 million in audit contracts due to independence violations as a byproduct of consolidations and acquisitions in the financial sector. My firm picked them up, place them quite comfortably at #1.
I do work in the advisory arm of my Firm, and while I may not work for Baine or some of the other "pure" advisory Firms, I was the youngest faculty member of the Business School at my University (ranked in the top 20 public business schools in the US). I began giving guest lectures on business and technology at the business school when I was still in my undergraduate program. I've also served as an associate instructor in organizational informatics and spoken on intellectual property law.
I am your competition. Good luck.
EBANK Staff | www.eve-bank.net
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Mei Shin
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.27 17:38:00 -
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I reserve the rights to sell popcorn and other snack for this thread. I sense there will be a high entertainment value of this thread before it ends in a cry of drama.
To the OP. I see what you are trying to do. It's a sneaky way of trying to sell solar powered tanning beds to people in sahara.
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Redbad
Minmatar
Mean Corp
Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2008.11.28 12:45:00 -
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Hi,
I'm the one that hires guys like you and Hexxx in RL to sort out the mess I make. 
/me orders popcorn.
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Adrian Proteus
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.28 13:51:00 -
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While you may have a place in RL, I think your service isn't that needed in Eve. Let's face it, in the end (and I mean this as respectfully as one can) what you are proposing is the occupation of Professional Bull**** Salesman.
/also buys popcorn
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Emywn Vanya
Caldari
Redemption or Retribution
Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.28 18:56:00 -
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I think the show's over... Hexxx won.
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Damien Jax
Chaos Faction
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Posted - 2008.11.28 20:18:00 -
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Hexx, do you have any job openings? :D
I'm looking to get into some kind of advisory or running an EVE business as well soon. In real life, I have a degree in personal financial planning as well as corporate finance. I currently work in accounting for a transportation company. I'm still young, so I've got time to be as awesome as Hexx! lol
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Dennmoth Ferdier
Scoopex
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Posted - 2008.11.29 00:00:00 -
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Ferdier smells a well camo'd sniff of a scam and some bold ego-stroking in this thread. He is amused.
Put me up for some of that popcorn.
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Psychotic Penguin
Gallente
The Professional's Club
The Second Genesis
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Posted - 2008.11.29 03:20:00 -
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Hexxx you shot him down too early, the fun didn't even get properly started.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.11.29 03:27:00 -
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Originally by: Emywn Vanya
I think the show's over... Hexxx won.
Yup, Hexxx won the toy.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.11.29 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: edeity
Heh, yeah reading it again, the sentence is poor and the grammar could do with some polish. TBH im not really trying hard to pitch here, Im almost certain its a waste of time, but curious to see if there are people looking for advisory skill sets to make things happen. It's a sign of maturity in a market that this is seen as valuable. Primative market just needs primary producers, people who "do" things.
Typically this skill set is not viewed as needed to make proposals happen, because whats seen as important is the idea. If you realise you need these skills, people like me are out here. If your successful doing it yourself, all power to you.
Your not trying hard to pitch, therefore no one will take you seriously.
In RL if you showed up and presented to a company and didn't put much preparation or effort into it, do you think you would get the business?
Well same rules apply here too. But hey, thx for wasting my reading time though!
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.11.29 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: YouGotRipped
Originally by: Emywn Vanya
I think the show's over... Hexxx won.
Yup, Hexxx won the toy.
Hooray for toys? 
EBANK Staff | www.eve-bank.net
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.11.29 05:15:00 -
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Originally by: Damien Jax
Hexx, do you have any job openings? :D
I'm looking to get into some kind of advisory or running an EVE business as well soon. In real life, I have a degree in personal financial planning as well as corporate finance. I currently work in accounting for a transportation company. I'm still young, so I've got time to be as awesome as Hexx! lol
I'm happy to talk to people whenever on MSN. =) Free advice just for IMing me!
EBANK Staff | www.eve-bank.net
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edeity
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Posted - 2008.12.09 04:41:00 -
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bad spelling because im at work and not taking time to check it.
not studying, most eve players tend to actually be older than most mmo's i notice.
easy to shoot down someone posting something, a lot of that happens, easiest one is spelling. But in the end, has your position improved?
upside doesn't appear to exist to push through the resistance. my intent will be to watch and learn more about the market at this stage. I'm still reasonably new to the game, and there is depth here.
Thanks for the comment about maturity, my high school age daughter is amused.
the comment about how pitched has some merit, except im offering an approach that is genuine, with genuine potential value. In prisoners dilemna (particularly applicable to 0.0 so therefore ingrained in eve players mind as only way to interact with people i suspect) you are always better off playing mean rather than nice unless you really really trust someone and will have a never ending relationship. Instead, attempt here is to offer an altruistic value offering, so no matter how mean you get, the value on offer is still there.
Your comment about approach i used applies if you dont know or trust me or have a reason to talk to me. Congratulations. Flip side is it's not worth while for me to go to the effort for another approach. So the value is only there if you can see it, which you can't, so it's not.
and im bored. enjoy the popcorn. I'll try post some more rambling when i get motivated later.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Tleilex Developments
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Posted - 2008.12.09 05:26:00 -
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The only issue I have is that this was your first chance to show your intelligence and you didn't. Spelling/grammar are easily set aside if you are someone like me who doesn't claim to be anything special. You sound like a bad car salesman.
I have an undergrad in business and I'm working on my graduate degree in education. I'm a teacher IRL at a vocational school with experience in internet technologies (ISP's) and in technology in banking (information systems). I do consulting work for 3-5 local medical offices when I have spare time.
I've never closed any big deals or sold any bridges to anyone. I'm married and have a 9 month old daughter.
See what I did there? I was honest and I didn't sound like I was full of ****.
Quote:
Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.09 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
The only issue I have is that this was your first chance to show your intelligence and you didn't. Spelling/grammar are easily set aside if you are someone like me who doesn't claim to be anything special. You sound like a bad car salesman.
I have an undergrad in business and I'm working on my graduate degree in education. I'm a teacher IRL at a vocational school with experience in internet technologies (ISP's) and in technology in banking (information systems). I do consulting work for 3-5 local medical offices when I have spare time.
I've never closed any big deals or sold any bridges to anyone. I'm married and have a 9 month old daughter.
See what I did there? I was honest and I didn't sound like I was full of ****.
confirming i am the 9 month old daughter
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Chribba's LoveQuest 17:00hrs Dec. 20th (Prizes!!)
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.09 05:53:00 -
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Edited by: Brock Nelson on 09/12/2008 05:53:13
Your high school age daughter should know how to do better grammar than her own father. I bet that's the part she found amusing eh?
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.12.09 06:48:00 -
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I don't have any real degree's and I am still freakin awesome
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F90OEX
F9X
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Posted - 2008.12.09 07:20:00 -
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What's the average age of the people in this thread 30 ? 
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Ricdics
Tleilex Developments
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Posted - 2008.12.09 07:23:00 -
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I am 26 and I think Hexxx is only 27 |
Kwint Sommer
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.12.09 07:30:00 -
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I'm really dragging the average down at 21.
I'm barely old enough to drink though I've been told my rapidly thinning hair, mid-life-crisis-esque muscle car and predilection towards long technical discussions about nuclear reactors gives me the air of someone no less than 40. 
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CornerStoner
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Posted - 2008.12.09 07:58:00 -
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Hmmm, with my age the average is 28 so far.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.09 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kwint Sommer
I'm really dragging the average down at 21.
dont worry I balance you out at 36
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Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2008.12.09 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
I'm really dragging the average down at 21.
dont worry I balance you out at 36
Only to be dragged down with 21 again.
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CornerStoner
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Posted - 2008.12.09 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Frenden Dax
Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
I'm really dragging the average down at 21.
dont worry I balance you out at 36
Only to be dragged down with 21 again.
I'll see your 21 and raise you 38.
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Andres Talas
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Posted - 2008.12.09 12:31:00 -
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Edited by: Andres Talas on 09/12/2008 12:32:25
Edited by: Andres Talas on 09/12/2008 12:31:39
Edited by: Andres Talas on 09/12/2008 12:31:07
I nearly got killed by The Money in Singapore ... I still cant remember anything of the meetings but flashes of memory.
But it was OK, because their cheque cleared.
Oh, and an ex-business associate's ex-employer is suing the company he used to run, despite the fact he's currently doing five years for fraud. I understand he got off lightly, as I believe there was a meeting between the Italian market gardeners he ripped off and the outlaw bikers he ripped off (the bikers claimed he took them for thirteen, but I think they are exaggerating. It couldnt have been more than three or four).
And people say that EvE is a harsh and cold world. Mu-wa-hah-haaaaaa.
In the real world, Chribba doesnt hold the money.
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.12.09 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Andres Talas
In the real world, Chribba doesnt hold the money.
Nor do I
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TheVad
Amarr
Metalworks
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Posted - 2008.12.09 13:50:00 -
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Edited by: TheVad on 09/12/2008 13:52:15
When first introducing yourself to a community, being boastful is not going to win you many friends. There is a fine balance between communicating what you can bring to the table and how you communicate it. In this community actions speak louder then words and TRUST is the most valued trait one can obtain.
The hardest challenge facing someone with real world skills is actually looking at what you do in real life and determining which of those skills you can actually apply in Eve. What are the skills that market/industrial people currently value? At this point in time execution related skills (eve market knowledge, management, using character trained industry/market skills and basic finance 101) are needed on the industrial and market sides of eve.
You would be better off stating exactly what value you can provide to an individual person or cooperation instead of ôhigh level vagueö consulting services. Perhaps if you put time into a business model/service offering, you might be more successful in people being interested in hiring you for your knowledge and subject matter expertise.
You need to approach this community as you would a real business. If you donÆt want to put in the time because real world cash or your time is more important then thatÆs fine. But donÆt expect people who have put in 100s of hours to want to spend/risk their hard earn isk on someone who is not willing to put in the time. You have to earn your reputation by convincing people you know what you are doing and that you provide some value add service that they are interested in.
I donÆt mean to sound harsh, but the fact is you have to clearly state what value you can bring. I am part of a top 5 business consulting firm and managed a practice myself. I have found in my 12+ years in this industry that many consultant companies and consultants are a waste of the clients money as nothing of real value was achieved at the end of the day.
So you need to clearly explain what real value you bring to the people in this forum with your services and then you will win some business. Perhaps have a payment model where you don't get paid unless they see the value (whether subject of objective).
Bottom line: Tell me exactly why I should hire you and what value can you bring to my company? How will you help me? Structure you fees so that you win only if the client wins. As an known this is the best way to get started. Once you prove yourself then perhaps you can charge a base fee up front.
TheVad
Project Manager & Chief Editor| www.eve-bank.net
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MailDeadDrop
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.09 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
I've never closed any big deals or sold any bridges to anyone. I'm married and have a 9 month old daughter.
WARNING: outright lie spotted...
And I'll raise the age average with my statesmenlike 45. And I have a two-year-old son (which means I'm still gettin' it!  )
MDD
Jump Clones: 8M and NO corp switching |
Amarr Citizen 155
Tleilex Developments
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Posted - 2008.12.10 04:14:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Amarr Citizen 155 on 10/12/2008 04:14:21
Originally by: MailDeadDrop
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
I've never closed any big deals or sold any bridges to anyone. I'm married and have a 9 month old daughter.
WARNING: outright lie spotted...
And I'll raise the age average with my statesmenlike 45. And I have a two-year-old son (which means I'm still gettin' it! )
MDD
LOL, well of course I've closed at least one big deal
Edit: oh and im 25
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Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
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Johnny Rockefeller
Builders League United
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Posted - 2008.12.10 06:31:00 -
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Originally by: MailDeadDrop
And I'll raise the age average with my statesmenlike 45. And I have a two-year-old son (which means I'm still gettin' it! )
MDD
No worries, I'm here to balance you out with my mere 20 years. That brings us to ~29 as the average, not a bad guess F90OEX
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