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Furion Collect	Posted - 2008.11.26 11:14:00 - [1] Anybody more numerate than me work out what the likely outcome would be an a theoretical basis? Like should the faction frigate have the upper hand? Before I spend my millions... on a DED plex runner, wind-up merchant
Mikael Mechka	Posted - 2008.11.26 11:35:00 - [2] Faction frigates are more like trophies than real ships. They are outclassed in pretty much every way by T2 frigates. Get an assault frigate if you want more tank/firepower is my opinion. Probably cheaper to do so too.
Gronnik	Posted - 2008.11.26 11:38:00 - [3] Theyre absolutely underpowered even against many t1 frigates, a shame really as some of the faction frigs have beautiful models. But if you wonna try em, id say fly em like longrange ceptors, as theyre paperthin, youre best off always being able to get the F out
Mikael Mechka	Posted - 2008.11.26 11:46:00 - [4] Should also point out that some people like to kill rare ships (which is a shame cause few of these grace the spacelanes as it is) simply because they want to look good on a killboard. Or because they know destroying the ship will hurt your wallet a lot, and do it out of spite. So you may find yourself targeted before assault frigates or interceptors. Just a word of warning.
Mankirks Wife Caldari Space Furry Association	Posted - 2008.11.26 11:57:00 - [5] Edited by: Mankirks Wife on 26/11/2008 12:05:02 --- Originally by: tarin adur Also, cuz Sporks are like minmatar,do lots of things ok...but nothing spectacularly.
waruiushiro	Posted - 2008.11.26 13:42:00 - [6] Edited by: waruiushiro on 26/11/2008 13:44:07 The Firetail can at least keep any AF at range. Doing enough damage to kill it before it de-agresses and jumps or something is another matter. Edit: Faction frigs are actually useful in Faction Warfare because of the minor plexes that AFs can't get into due to size reqs on the accel gate. Against frigs/dessies, the faction frigs are teh pwnage.
Nexus Kinnon Genos Occidere Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.11.26 14:58:00 - [7] Originally by: waruiushiro Edited by: waruiushiro on 26/11/2008 13:44:07 The Firetail can at least keep any AF at range. Doing enough damage to kill it before it de-agresses and jumps or something is another matter. Edit: Faction frigs are actually useful in Faction Warfare because of the minor plexes that AFs can't get into due to size reqs on the accel gate. Against frigs/dessies, the faction frigs are teh pwnage. A thrasher will **** any faction frigate.
Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.11.26 16:41:00 - [8] faction frigs and cruisers are "ooo shiny" purposes only. -- i am a humble and inefficient ammo to dps converter
Mithfindel Gallente Gariushi Foundation	Posted - 2008.11.26 17:27:00 - [9] The Navy Omen is pretty nice, though. It does however share the glass cannon properties with the regular Omen, and unlike Omen's "lol, Omen, not primary" effect the reactions to one would quite likely be more like "faction ship, kill it!" so unless in favourable situations or quite small gangs, flying one could be quite an expensive habit. Faction frigates lack damage and tank compared to assault frigates, though if we compare for example the Slicer and the Retribution, the Slicer has the very useful second mid slot.
Letrange Minmatar Valklear Guard	Posted - 2008.11.26 21:53:00 - [10] I've flown my Firetail in plexes - it's interceptor like speed in plexes where interceptors can't get in is very very nice. Great for keeping agro while your buddies run the timer down.
Adaera	Posted - 2008.11.26 22:05:00 - [11] My friend has a Firetail he fits and flies like an interceptor... but it's still basically a trophy and he rarely brings it out for much besides showing it off.
Blastil	Posted - 2008.11.26 23:13:00 - [12] an EFT wizard much more powerful than I might be able to make a fit that preforms on par with say an interceptor, but since a faction frig costs more, They exist strictly for the trolphy status. Their PG/cpu and lack of bonuses causes issues with fitting them with anything but faction gear to conserve. With T2 stuff, I managed to get a t2 fit Navy Comet to fly on par with an Ishkur, but does half the DPS. End opinion: Not Isk efficent. Fly only for E-peen value. Now excuse me while i go and buy one.
Little Fistter	Posted - 2008.11.26 23:27:00 - [13] Originally by: Gronnik Theyre absolutely underpowered even against many t1 frigates, a shame really as some of the faction frigs have beautiful models. But if you wonna try em, id say fly em like longrange ceptors, as theyre paperthin, youre best off always being able to get the F out Its worse than that... Faction frigates are expensive deadweight. In any fleet battle you will be primaried, in small gangs you will be the target everyone wants last hit on. They are barely five percent better than the standard version of the ship they represent (for Empire factions anyway, the rat faction ships are more like ten percent better than their standard T1 counterpart). Most gankers go out of their way to pop rat faction ships, I have seen fleets go ten jumps out of their way to try to pop a faction ship. In all, its an expensive target on your back and not that much better than the base ship. Other than the single advantage that a firetail has in 1/10 (beginner) plexes, I can think of no situation where a faction is less risk than the T1 base frigate with good skills and mods. They are a "Sucker Deal"... Suggestion: Please color jump gates the same color as the system security rating of the destination system in the overview. *LITTLE FISTTER* Broken Sigs?
Hurtado Soneka Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.11.26 23:35:00 - [14] Like somebody mentioned above, a faction frigate is good if your running plexes in FW, outside that....
lollerwaffle Sileo In Pacis	Posted - 2008.11.27 00:40:00 - [15] PrePatch Daredevils were pretty nice to fly. Fit and fly like a ceptor with ewar. Got a few kills in mine (solo and tackler) before a nanoscimitar popped it bought a dramiel to test it out, good dmg output so far.. anyone know a good fit for pvp?
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2008.11.27 11:32:00 - [16] Faction frigates are expensive toys but immensely overpowered in FW thanks to the size restricted plexes. Then again, a regular T1 frigate can and will kill a faction frigate if its flown/fitted poorly. 50% extra base hitpoints over their T1 counterparts, generally more useful bonuses and more slots for fitting makes them well worth it if you ask me. For everything else, where size does not matter, an AF will kick the crap out of a T1 frigate regardless. If you get addicted to the faction frigates it is beneficial to take a month off to mission for the corp that has the BPCs in LP store, that way you are "only" paying 10-15m for the hull
Dihania Gallente SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.11.27 12:07:00 - [17] Originally by: Faife faction frigs and cruisers are "ooo shiny" purposes only. .this [hrhr] Sniggwaffe is recruiting. Visit channel "join sniggwaffe" in game.
King Rothgar	Posted - 2008.11.27 12:28:00 - [18] Faction frigates are best described as tech 1.5. They have double the hitpoints as said, do more damage and typically have atleast 1 extra slot over the base t1 ship. Whether or not that is worth 30M isk is a matter of opinion. I'm pretty fond of the Firetail as it performs on the par with just about any interceptor, it's actually superior in many ways thanks to a much larger capacitor and superior tank. Faction cruisers are much the same, they offer a sizable performance increase (typically in the form of double hitpoints and an extra slot or two) but are horribly expensive. Faction BS's are no different.
waruiushiro	Posted - 2008.11.27 13:14:00 - [19] Yeah its just a nice way to spend your LP's. I got the deal where I pay 10mil plus like 30k LPs for the Firetail, a great way to get rid of LPs for an NPC corp I don't run missions for anymore. Only took it out once so far, but managed to have the best frigate fight I've had yet and got several kills... in a minor plex, of course.

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