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Moonrunner	Posted - 2004.07.11 23:53:00 - [1] Just curious as to whether the difference of performance in EVE on a dial-up connection and a broadband connection are very different or almost the same. Can someone who has played EVE on both types of connections please answer?
Moonrunner	Posted - 2004.07.11 23:53:00 - [2] Just curious as to whether the difference of performance in EVE on a dial-up connection and a broadband connection are very different or almost the same. Can someone who has played EVE on both types of connections please answer?
Sinist	Posted - 2004.07.12 00:05:00 - [3] Oh god. I know Eve uses alot more then 5.6kbps on my client. So im sure I get alot more performance out of my broadband then I would from a 56k. I havent used them in years though and I dont think I will ever again, even for test purposes. Too many bad memories.
Sinist	Posted - 2004.07.12 00:05:00 - [4] Oh god. I know Eve uses alot more then 5.6kbps on my client. So im sure I get alot more performance out of my broadband then I would from a 56k. I havent used them in years though and I dont think I will ever again, even for test purposes. Too many bad memories.
Hakera	Posted - 2004.07.12 00:17:00 - [5] im not totally up on the whole technical side, but I wonder what % of players are on 56k still, a lot of future mmogs are broadband or better only so bw is less of a limiting factor. Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Hakera	Posted - 2004.07.12 00:17:00 - [6] im not totally up on the whole technical side, but I wonder what % of players are on 56k still, a lot of future mmogs are broadband or better only so bw is less of a limiting factor. Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Exarch	Posted - 2004.07.12 00:19:00 - [7] I've played from a 56k when my cable was down for a while, you notice a little slower loading when nobodies around. But warping to an area with alot of rats gave me a good bit of lag, i wouldnt venture anywhere dangerous on dialup.
Exarch	Posted - 2004.07.12 00:19:00 - [8] I've played from a 56k when my cable was down for a while, you notice a little slower loading when nobodies around. But warping to an area with alot of rats gave me a good bit of lag, i wouldnt venture anywhere dangerous on dialup.
Haratu	Posted - 2004.07.12 04:20:00 - [9] As I am in australia my connection to Europe on the otherside of the world is already relatively slow to most other players... Using dial up here can make a big difference here so I avoid it like the plague. I roleplay... there is this computer game called "Earth - The First Genesis" where i play a character in the early 21st century.
Haratu	Posted - 2004.07.12 04:20:00 - [10] As I am in australia my connection to Europe on the otherside of the world is already relatively slow to most other players... Using dial up here can make a big difference here so I avoid it like the plague. I roleplay... there is this computer game called "Earth - The First Genesis" where i play a character in the early 21st century.
Del Narveux	Posted - 2004.07.12 04:24:00 - [11] Comparing performance on 56k to broadband is like comparing a drunk seagull to an F-15. _________________ [SAK] And Proud Of It! aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Del Narveux	Posted - 2004.07.12 04:24:00 - [12] Comparing performance on 56k to broadband is like comparing a drunk seagull to an F-15. _________________ [SAK] And Proud Of It! aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Necrologic	Posted - 2004.07.12 04:27:00 - [13] when you are on 56k, you arn't only slow yourself, but you contribute to slow everyone else down abit... _______________________________________________________ Et nunc, reges, intelligite, erudimini, qui judicati terram.
Necrologic	Posted - 2004.07.12 04:27:00 - [14] when you are on 56k, you arn't only slow yourself, but you contribute to slow everyone else down abit... _______________________________________________________ Et nunc, reges, intelligite, erudimini, qui judicati terram.
Moonrunner	Posted - 2004.07.12 04:59:00 - [15] Originally by: Del Narveux Comparing performance on 56k to broadband is like comparing a drunk seagull to an F-15. Damn I hate being a drunk seagull...
Moonrunner	Posted - 2004.07.12 04:59:00 - [16] Originally by: Del Narveux Comparing performance on 56k to broadband is like comparing a drunk seagull to an F-15. Damn I hate being a drunk seagull...
The Sloth	Posted - 2004.07.12 05:06:00 - [17] When I have exceeded my cable download limit (12GB) I am 'speed limited' by my ISP to 28.8kbs/second. When this occurs and I play EVE there is very little noticible differance. The only differance is logging in, looking at transactions, using the in game browser and jumping between systems - these all only take a few seconds longer. The real differance is when you try to look at the forums. These pages take ages to download (must be all those darn signatures). I believe the EVE client uses TCP/IP Packets to communicate with the server - sending and recieving on a few packets of data when it is required, rather than having a constant data stream. These packets are only a few KB's each and whilst ingame if you hold CRTL + ALT + SHIFT + M you can actually monitor the amount of packets recieved, sent and lost. If you do this you will see how very little bandwith EVE actually requires. This method is unlike most other online multiplayer games and is the reason that the one server can handle so many players. The Sloth.
The Sloth	Posted - 2004.07.12 05:06:00 - [18] When I have exceeded my cable download limit (12GB) I am 'speed limited' by my ISP to 28.8kbs/second. When this occurs and I play EVE there is very little noticible differance. The only differance is logging in, looking at transactions, using the in game browser and jumping between systems - these all only take a few seconds longer. The real differance is when you try to look at the forums. These pages take ages to download (must be all those darn signatures). I believe the EVE client uses TCP/IP Packets to communicate with the server - sending and recieving on a few packets of data when it is required, rather than having a constant data stream. These packets are only a few KB's each and whilst ingame if you hold CRTL + ALT + SHIFT + M you can actually monitor the amount of packets recieved, sent and lost. If you do this you will see how very little bandwith EVE actually requires. This method is unlike most other online multiplayer games and is the reason that the one server can handle so many players. The Sloth.
Tristan	Posted - 2004.07.12 08:12:00 - [19] Edited by: Tristan on 12/07/2004 08:17:33 Sloth, id say your ISP sucks real bad, and its time to change. 1gb limit?? thats a joke, i can download that in no time. Its two Debian CD's for example. im on a 1.5mb line, with no silly download limit. ISPs that do download limits like that do it for reasons such as:: They are over-subscribed They are broke They cant afford modern equipment They suck
Tristan	Posted - 2004.07.12 08:12:00 - [20] Edited by: Tristan on 12/07/2004 08:17:33 Sloth, id say your ISP sucks real bad, and its time to change. 1gb limit?? thats a joke, i can download that in no time. Its two Debian CD's for example. im on a 1.5mb line, with no silly download limit. ISPs that do download limits like that do it for reasons such as:: They are over-subscribed They are broke They cant afford modern equipment They suck
Fuse	Posted - 2004.07.12 09:23:00 - [21] Originally by: Del Narveux Comparing performance on 56k to broadband is like comparing a drunk seagull to an F-15. How do you get a seagull drunk? Do you take it to the local pub and buy it FREE BEER!???
Fuse	Posted - 2004.07.12 09:23:00 - [22] Originally by: Del Narveux Comparing performance on 56k to broadband is like comparing a drunk seagull to an F-15. How do you get a seagull drunk? Do you take it to the local pub and buy it FREE BEER!???
hatchette	Posted - 2004.07.12 09:27:00 - [23] I'm on business trip in germany at the moment so i only have 56k availbile to play... and it pretty much sucks compared to my home ADSL. I can do most of the usual stuff.. but i have to avoid fleet combats like a plague. I tried fleet fight once (there was about 50 ships involved) and each action i did (activate module or warp) took about 30 seconds. Firing lag was even worse. Also.. teamspeak takes fair chunk of bandwidth on 56k. (about 30-40%)
hatchette	Posted - 2004.07.12 09:27:00 - [24] I'm on business trip in germany at the moment so i only have 56k availbile to play... and it pretty much sucks compared to my home ADSL. I can do most of the usual stuff.. but i have to avoid fleet combats like a plague. I tried fleet fight once (there was about 50 ships involved) and each action i did (activate module or warp) took about 30 seconds. Firing lag was even worse. Also.. teamspeak takes fair chunk of bandwidth on 56k. (about 30-40%)
illuminati	Posted - 2004.07.12 09:51:00 - [25] I've played this game on 56kbit dialup, 2.5Mbit adsl and now recently on my current 12Mbit VDSL. The difference is marginal and the upload to you from CCP is capped anyway. I noticed a difference mainly while logging in and getting marketquotes. This game plays fine on modem, which is a good job by CCP. Lagging during big battle or such is mainly due to the UI and strange optimisation for clusters or something and doesn't differ much at all on any bandwidth above minimum. There is a thing called "placebo".
illuminati	Posted - 2004.07.12 09:51:00 - [26] I've played this game on 56kbit dialup, 2.5Mbit adsl and now recently on my current 12Mbit VDSL. The difference is marginal and the upload to you from CCP is capped anyway. I noticed a difference mainly while logging in and getting marketquotes. This game plays fine on modem, which is a good job by CCP. Lagging during big battle or such is mainly due to the UI and strange optimisation for clusters or something and doesn't differ much at all on any bandwidth above minimum. There is a thing called "placebo".
hatchette	Posted - 2004.07.12 10:02:00 - [27] Originally by: illuminati I've played this game on 56kbit dialup, 2.5Mbit adsl and now recently on my current 12Mbit VDSL. The difference is marginal and the upload to you from CCP is capped anyway. I noticed a difference mainly while logging in and getting marketquotes. This game plays fine on modem, which is a good job by CCP. Lagging during big battle or such is mainly due to the UI and strange optimisation for clusters or something and doesn't differ much at all on any bandwidth above minimum. There is a thing called "placebo". I monitored eve traffic on my home connection. And peak bandwidth i got in fleet battle was no less than 20KB/s downstream... upstream was still low.. which is substantially more than 56k modem can handle (~6KB/s)
hatchette	Posted - 2004.07.12 10:02:00 - [28] Originally by: illuminati I've played this game on 56kbit dialup, 2.5Mbit adsl and now recently on my current 12Mbit VDSL. The difference is marginal and the upload to you from CCP is capped anyway. I noticed a difference mainly while logging in and getting marketquotes. This game plays fine on modem, which is a good job by CCP. Lagging during big battle or such is mainly due to the UI and strange optimisation for clusters or something and doesn't differ much at all on any bandwidth above minimum. There is a thing called "placebo". I monitored eve traffic on my home connection. And peak bandwidth i got in fleet battle was no less than 20KB/s downstream... upstream was still low.. which is substantially more than 56k modem can handle (~6KB/s)
Viceroy	Posted - 2004.07.12 10:07:00 - [29] Very little difference. I played EVE for like 10 months with dial-up, and beta before that, hardly "horrible". Takes a little more time to generate character pics and show info's but combat isnt really that different. -
Viceroy	Posted - 2004.07.12 10:07:00 - [30] Very little difference. I played EVE for like 10 months with dial-up, and beta before that, hardly "horrible". Takes a little more time to generate character pics and show info's but combat isnt really that different. -
Earthan	Posted - 2004.07.12 10:11:00 - [31] Imho the amount of data exchanged isnt big in Eve, what really is important is ping, the time of travel to CCP server. And in this dial up is still usually much worse , as its analog technology, compared to ADSL. SO imho dial up usually is a problem for bigger battles, but from 128 kbit ADSL to 10 MB ADSL you wont see much difference. Stars, stars like dust, all around me....
Earthan	Posted - 2004.07.12 10:11:00 - [32] Imho the amount of data exchanged isnt big in Eve, what really is important is ping, the time of travel to CCP server. And in this dial up is still usually much worse , as its analog technology, compared to ADSL. SO imho dial up usually is a problem for bigger battles, but from 128 kbit ADSL to 10 MB ADSL you wont see much difference. Stars, stars like dust, all around me....
Zaldiri	Posted - 2004.07.12 10:21:00 - [33] Well considering the the Victorian history mueseum has but in a bid for the EVE servers as a meuseum piece I dont hold much hope Rise of Valhalla is now recruiting. We are looking for players of any level of experience. Please contact me or SSJ2VEGETA
Zaldiri	Posted - 2004.07.12 10:21:00 - [34] Well considering the the Victorian history mueseum has but in a bid for the EVE servers as a meuseum piece I dont hold much hope Rise of Valhalla is now recruiting. We are looking for players of any level of experience. Please contact me or SSJ2VEGETA
The Sloth	Posted - 2004.07.12 14:04:00 - [35] Originally by: Tristan Edited by: Tristan on 12/07/2004 08:17:33 Sloth, id say your ISP sucks real bad, and its time to change. 1gb limit?? thats a joke, i can download that in no time. Its two Debian CD's for example. im on a 1.5mb line, with no silly download limit. ISPs that do download limits like that do it for reasons such as:: They are over-subscribed They are broke They cant afford modern equipment They suck It is actually a 12 Gig D/L per Month - and believe it or not this is the most reasable plan (with regards to both d/l limit and price per month). The reason for this is because I live in Australia and there are only two major telecommunication companies - Telstra and Optus (Cable and Wireless). It has only been in the last few years that the telecommincation sector has been 'de-regulated'. Prior to this there was only one company and that or Telstra (Telecom) and that was publically owned. The Government privatised 49.9% of Telstra and de-regulated the Sector allowing encouraging more competition and allowing companies like Optus (the one I am with) to enter the market. Many smaller companies have also recently entered the market however Telstra and Optus are the only ones that have networks of thier own - all of the smaller companies have to rent the use of lines and cable from one of these two companies thus inflating the price of thier services. The past few years have in fact seen major decreases in prices - only 6 or so months ago it was $119.00 (AUD) for a 6 GB d/l per month (with Optus - the Telstra limit was 300mb for around $70.00 (AUD) ) - now it is $65.00 (AUD) for 12 GB per month. BTW, all these prices are for a 1MB optical fibre cable connection. So we are getting there, but boy how I envy those of you in the U.S. or Europe. The Sloth.
The Sloth	Posted - 2004.07.12 14:04:00 - [36] Originally by: Tristan Edited by: Tristan on 12/07/2004 08:17:33 Sloth, id say your ISP sucks real bad, and its time to change. 1gb limit?? thats a joke, i can download that in no time. Its two Debian CD's for example. im on a 1.5mb line, with no silly download limit. ISPs that do download limits like that do it for reasons such as:: They are over-subscribed They are broke They cant afford modern equipment They suck It is actually a 12 Gig D/L per Month - and believe it or not this is the most reasable plan (with regards to both d/l limit and price per month). The reason for this is because I live in Australia and there are only two major telecommunication companies - Telstra and Optus (Cable and Wireless). It has only been in the last few years that the telecommincation sector has been 'de-regulated'. Prior to this there was only one company and that or Telstra (Telecom) and that was publically owned. The Government privatised 49.9% of Telstra and de-regulated the Sector allowing encouraging more competition and allowing companies like Optus (the one I am with) to enter the market. Many smaller companies have also recently entered the market however Telstra and Optus are the only ones that have networks of thier own - all of the smaller companies have to rent the use of lines and cable from one of these two companies thus inflating the price of thier services. The past few years have in fact seen major decreases in prices - only 6 or so months ago it was $119.00 (AUD) for a 6 GB d/l per month (with Optus - the Telstra limit was 300mb for around $70.00 (AUD) ) - now it is $65.00 (AUD) for 12 GB per month. BTW, all these prices are for a 1MB optical fibre cable connection. So we are getting there, but boy how I envy those of you in the U.S. or Europe. The Sloth.
Cabadrin	Posted - 2004.07.12 15:17:00 - [37] Yeah, my euro corpmates are always complaining about download limits. Then I stare at my uni connection and laugh, realizing I've downloading over 5 gigs today alone :) ----------------------------------------------- Coalition Kill Board
Cabadrin	Posted - 2004.07.12 15:17:00 - [38] Yeah, my euro corpmates are always complaining about download limits. Then I stare at my uni connection and laugh, realizing I've downloading over 5 gigs today alone :) ----------------------------------------------- Coalition Kill Board
Earthan	Posted - 2004.07.12 15:54:00 - [39] Edited by: Earthan on 12/07/2004 15:56:40 Originally by: The Sloth Originally by: Tristan Edited by: Tristan on 12/07/2004 08:17:33 Sloth, id say your ISP sucks real bad, and its time to change. 1gb limit?? thats a joke, i can download that in no time. Its two Debian CD's for example. im on a 1.5mb line, with no silly download limit. ISPs that do download limits like that do it for reasons such as:: They are over-subscribed They are broke They cant afford modern equipment They suck It is actually a 12 Gig D/L per Month - and believe it or not this is the most reasable plan (with regards to both d/l limit and price per month). The reason for this is because I live in Australia and there are only two major telecommunication companies - Telstra and Optus (Cable and Wireless). It has only been in the last few years that the telecommincation sector has been 'de-regulated'. Prior to this there was only one company and that or Telstra (Telecom) and that was publically owned. The Government privatised 49.9% of Telstra and de-regulated the Sector allowing encouraging more competition and allowing companies like Optus (the one I am with) to enter the market. Many smaller companies have also recently entered the market however Telstra and Optus are the only ones that have networks of thier own - all of the smaller companies have to rent the use of lines and cable from one of these two companies thus inflating the price of thier services. The past few years have in fact seen major decreases in prices - only 6 or so months ago it was $119.00 (AUD) for a 6 GB d/l per month (with Optus - the Telstra limit was 300mb for around $70.00 (AUD) ) - now it is $65.00 (AUD) for 12 GB per month. BTW, all these prices are for a 1MB optical fibre cable connection. So we are getting there, but boy how I envy those of you in the U.S. or Europe. The Sloth. Wow and i was pretty sure nobody gets it harder then we in Poland. Thats bad man , we also had monopoly 3-4 years ago, but it ahs fast changed.Atm i have 512/128 kb adsl with no limit for around 45 us dollars, but you can get with 128/64 kb with 15 gig limit for around 15 us dollars.And its still damn expensive compared to Germany. Seriously 12 gig or 15 gig per month is quite big unless you download movies. Stars, stars like dust, all around me....
Earthan	Posted - 2004.07.12 15:54:00 - [40] Edited by: Earthan on 12/07/2004 15:56:40 Originally by: The Sloth Originally by: Tristan Edited by: Tristan on 12/07/2004 08:17:33 Sloth, id say your ISP sucks real bad, and its time to change. 1gb limit?? thats a joke, i can download that in no time. Its two Debian CD's for example. im on a 1.5mb line, with no silly download limit. ISPs that do download limits like that do it for reasons such as:: They are over-subscribed They are broke They cant afford modern equipment They suck It is actually a 12 Gig D/L per Month - and believe it or not this is the most reasable plan (with regards to both d/l limit and price per month). The reason for this is because I live in Australia and there are only two major telecommunication companies - Telstra and Optus (Cable and Wireless). It has only been in the last few years that the telecommincation sector has been 'de-regulated'. Prior to this there was only one company and that or Telstra (Telecom) and that was publically owned. The Government privatised 49.9% of Telstra and de-regulated the Sector allowing encouraging more competition and allowing companies like Optus (the one I am with) to enter the market. Many smaller companies have also recently entered the market however Telstra and Optus are the only ones that have networks of thier own - all of the smaller companies have to rent the use of lines and cable from one of these two companies thus inflating the price of thier services. The past few years have in fact seen major decreases in prices - only 6 or so months ago it was $119.00 (AUD) for a 6 GB d/l per month (with Optus - the Telstra limit was 300mb for around $70.00 (AUD) ) - now it is $65.00 (AUD) for 12 GB per month. BTW, all these prices are for a 1MB optical fibre cable connection. So we are getting there, but boy how I envy those of you in the U.S. or Europe. The Sloth. Wow and i was pretty sure nobody gets it harder then we in Poland. Thats bad man , we also had monopoly 3-4 years ago, but it ahs fast changed.Atm i have 512/128 kb adsl with no limit for around 45 us dollars, but you can get with 128/64 kb with 15 gig limit for around 15 us dollars.And its still damn expensive compared to Germany. Seriously 12 gig or 15 gig per month is quite big unless you download movies. Stars, stars like dust, all around me....
Monty Burns	Posted - 2004.07.12 16:11:00 - [41] Originally by: hatchette ..... which is substantially more than 56k modem can handle (~6KB/s) Never see network usage on Eve go above 6k's (btw: a modem can handle 7k's (56/8) ) but then I also live in London so my ping times are gona be nice n quick as some of the servers are down the road. I'm also on a big fat sexy 3meg line (for England thats good!). I also participate in very large fleet battles - almost 200 ships the last time - and never really get any comms lag, its mainly video proccessing delays. Answer: Check your ping times, if they are good then don't worry about upgrading. The actual volume is very small. Although, I bet your just gagging for an excuse aren't you ... go on sir, admit it <grin> Be happy all! Darwin 4tw
Monty Burns	Posted - 2004.07.12 16:11:00 - [42] Originally by: hatchette ..... which is substantially more than 56k modem can handle (~6KB/s) Never see network usage on Eve go above 6k's (btw: a modem can handle 7k's (56/8) ) but then I also live in London so my ping times are gona be nice n quick as some of the servers are down the road. I'm also on a big fat sexy 3meg line (for England thats good!). I also participate in very large fleet battles - almost 200 ships the last time - and never really get any comms lag, its mainly video proccessing delays. Answer: Check your ping times, if they are good then don't worry about upgrading. The actual volume is very small. Although, I bet your just gagging for an excuse aren't you ... go on sir, admit it <grin> Be happy all! Darwin 4tw
Bele gorri	Posted - 2004.07.12 16:46:00 - [43] Originally by: Monty Burns Answer: Check your ping times, if they are good then don't worry about upgrading. The actual volume is very small. Although, I bet your just gagging for an excuse aren't you ... go on sir, admit it <grin> Be happy all! ... And what would be good ping times? i've a 56K dial-up and it's terrible.
Bele gorri	Posted - 2004.07.12 16:46:00 - [44] Originally by: Monty Burns Answer: Check your ping times, if they are good then don't worry about upgrading. The actual volume is very small. Although, I bet your just gagging for an excuse aren't you ... go on sir, admit it <grin> Be happy all! ... And what would be good ping times? i've a 56K dial-up and it's terrible.
Monty Burns	Posted - 2004.07.12 16:59:00 - [45] Originally by: Bele gorri Originally by: Monty Burns Answer: Check your ping times, if they are good then don't worry about upgrading. The actual volume is very small. Although, I bet your just gagging for an excuse aren't you ... go on sir, admit it <grin> Be happy all! ... And what would be good ping times? i've a 56K dial-up and it's terrible. Anything under 300ms would be good at a guess. If your 1000+ then you have problems! Darwin 4tw
Monty Burns	Posted - 2004.07.12 16:59:00 - [46] Originally by: Bele gorri Originally by: Monty Burns Answer: Check your ping times, if they are good then don't worry about upgrading. The actual volume is very small. Although, I bet your just gagging for an excuse aren't you ... go on sir, admit it <grin> Be happy all! ... And what would be good ping times? i've a 56K dial-up and it's terrible. Anything under 300ms would be good at a guess. If your 1000+ then you have problems! Darwin 4tw
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.12 17:11:00 - [47] I was under the impression Eve was optimized for 56k. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.12 17:11:00 - [48] I was under the impression Eve was optimized for 56k. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Kular	Posted - 2004.07.12 17:21:00 - [49] I started Eve on a DSL connection at the University I attend, but after last semester I moved and now play from a 56k :< Honestly theres not much difference from what I've seen. Yes fights are a bit more difficult and it has teken me awhile to relaize I don't have the amazing load/reaction times I did on DSL, but I still can handle fleet and solo battles Along with NPC hunting soloing groups of 3 BS most the time. The real difference is in the load time for everything, once you get use to it, its not that bad. Just realize this your screen may not be moving, but the module you click 30 secs ago is actually working I find it kinda fun to jump in lock target set my orbit hit all my mods then wait a min to see how the fights going Home of Ubiqua Seraph Eve's only all Sarum loyal corporation.
Kular	Posted - 2004.07.12 17:21:00 - [50] I started Eve on a DSL connection at the University I attend, but after last semester I moved and now play from a 56k :< Honestly theres not much difference from what I've seen. Yes fights are a bit more difficult and it has teken me awhile to relaize I don't have the amazing load/reaction times I did on DSL, but I still can handle fleet and solo battles Along with NPC hunting soloing groups of 3 BS most the time. The real difference is in the load time for everything, once you get use to it, its not that bad. Just realize this your screen may not be moving, but the module you click 30 secs ago is actually working I find it kinda fun to jump in lock target set my orbit hit all my mods then wait a min to see how the fights going Home of Ubiqua Seraph Eve's only all Sarum loyal corporation.

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