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Alt MKII Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.29 21:37:00 - [1] I was recently looking at my fav frigate, my trusty old Kestrel, and I was marveling that this ship is still alive. I have scored 53 kills with it which is nothing special by itself but then it struck me: This SPECIFIC ship has downed 53 ships and it is still flying. I have not killed 53 ships in various kessies, but with this specific one. Hmm... I can see my kill mails, but this information needs a lot of filtering and work to break it downto ship by ship. Now WHAT IF we had a separate tab next to the ship's attributes, insurance, etc, named history? This could track kills and other stuff we can come up.(You repackage it though and it is gone as is insurance. Lets think of it as refurbishing/reconstruction.) So imagine that the history tab could look something simple like: Day of creation: Manufacturer: Kills Titans:0 Capitals:0 BSs:1 BCS:2 .... SHUTLES:1235 PODS:12 Ore mined (for.. you know, miners) Veld: 876264 Scordite: 3453 ..... Salvaged(maybe): ..... Cargo hauled(for haulers): ....... Star systems visited (unique ones): X etc Suddenly a ship becomes more than a tool but something unique and makes more reason to name it now, instead of just being X's ship on the way to the slaughterhouse. Now if this history could als o be public, the name and history of ship suddenly ties to something tangible to others as well as to its owner. Few ships have managed to acquire fame by name and personally I can only come up with the Veldnaught. Imagine now selling (via contract) a frigate with a titan kill? Or a Battleship which has survived for years and has killed hundreds? Or a ship that has visited 5000 star systems? Such ships suddenly become unique and their history adds considerable value to their price. Collectible? Why not. New market? Very possible. Imagine now if the Veldnaught was up for sale (like if). How much of the price would be due to its name and fame? Of course the skill of the owner is what made the ship famous, but its fame will sort of rub off to the new owner. People would say "Look its the Veldnaught! Is that the guy who bought it?" Or "Look its the Veldnaught! Run!!!"(like if) All these would just be counters so no lag. At least no more lag than whatever your combat log generates by just being there. At least I think no lag. In fact if there will be lag involved, can it. So lets assume no lag. I do not know, may be it is the alcohol that has reactivated a dormant part of my brain and I am being creative, or I am just that ****ed and I am simply brain farting here. What daya think?
Alt MKII Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.29 21:41:00 - [2] Lol! Is pi$$ed censored or am I seeing stars?
xXxSatsujinxXx Ascent of Ages Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2008.11.29 21:43:00 - [3] i like it :)
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.11.29 21:59:00 - [4] I would imagine that it would require a lot of network resources, but other than that its a very cool idea -- Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donæt forget the reach-around.
StraightEdge Phoenix Gallente Flight of One	Posted - 2008.11.29 22:01:00 - [5] /Signed
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.11.29 22:04:00 - [6] What if my ePeen suddenly grew 5ft? Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Diatonic	Posted - 2008.11.29 22:09:00 - [7] That is a fantastic idea :) /signed
Alt MKII Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.29 22:09:00 - [8] Originally by: An Anarchyyt What if my ePeen suddenly grew 5ft? That's the spirit! And that's because a new market would be created for such epic epeens.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.11.29 22:11:00 - [9] Originally by: Alt MKII Originally by: An Anarchyyt What if my ePeen suddenly grew 5ft? That's the spirit! And that's because a new market would be created for such epic epeens. "Buy this ship, it's exactly like every other ship except it was in the 46DP battle where Shrike was first killed." I think what's sad is that I can actually see people doing that. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Astro Glyde	Posted - 2008.11.29 22:14:00 - [10] Funny, this same idea occurred to me the other day. I found an old Cynabal I hadn't used in years, tucked away in Syndicate that I used to wreak havoc in, made me wonder if there was a list somehow. A series of 'notches' like the old pilots used to use would be really cool. :)

Sniper Wolf18 Gallente Apocalypse Ponies H E L I C O N	Posted - 2008.11.29 22:16:00 - [11] I want! And above all, read my sig!
Alt MKII Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.29 22:19:00 - [12] Originally by: An Anarchyyt "Buy this ship, it's exactly like every other ship except it was in the 46DP battle where Shrike was first killed." I think what's sad is that I can actually see people doing that. Well, if there is proof(titan kill), I can assure you that several people would pay a premium to buy such a ship. And where there is a demand, there is a market. Nothing wrong or right with it. Just business.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.11.29 22:20:00 - [13] Originally by: Alt MKII Originally by: An Anarchyyt "Buy this ship, it's exactly like every other ship except it was in the 46DP battle where Shrike was first killed." I think what's sad is that I can actually see people doing that. Well, if there is proof(titan kill), I can assure you that several people would pay a premium to buy such a ship. And where there is a demand, there is a market. Nothing wrong or right with it. Just business. "Wrong" wouldn't be the right word. Stupid is more the right word. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.11.29 22:21:00 - [14] As great as this idea may be, I fear PrismX will go on a murderous rampage if this is ever implemented. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Alt MKII Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.29 22:21:00 - [15] Originally by: Astro Glyde Funny, this same idea occurred to me the other day. I found an old Cynabal I hadn't used in years, tucked away in Syndicate that I used to wreak havoc in, made me wonder if there was a list somehow. A series of 'notches' like the old pilots used to use would be really cool. :) Funny that, I was actually thinking of the notches myself while writing this. :)
Alt MKII Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.29 22:27:00 - [16] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Alt MKII Originally by: An Anarchyyt "Buy this ship, it's exactly like every other ship except it was in the 46DP battle where Shrike was first killed." I think what's sad is that I can actually see people doing that. Well, if there is proof(titan kill), I can assure you that several people would pay a premium to buy such a ship. And where there is a demand, there is a market. Nothing wrong or right with it. Just business. "Wrong" wouldn't be the right word. Stupid is more the right word. Ok, stupid or clever works as well. All is business. In any case, I am mostly interested in making ships more personal to the pilot. If people decide to make money out of it, good for them.
Pesky LaRue Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.29 22:29:00 - [17] haven't liked all your other ideas, this is truly a great idea, IMO \|+ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ +\|
Alt MKII Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.29 22:32:00 - [18] Originally by: Pesky LaRue haven't liked all your other ideas, this is truly a great idea, IMO Hm, maybe I should keep my self perpetually intoxicated....
Captain Falcord Gallente Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.11.29 22:35:00 - [19] Edited by: Captain Falcord on 29/11/2008 22:35:18 This is SO much better than the certificates thing. /signed. ---<---@ JackFalcord
NightF0x Gallente Chicken Coup Raiders	Posted - 2008.11.29 22:36:00 - [20] You do realize that the ship isn't special just because it was involved in a Titan kill, right? It's not the ship, it's the pilot that had the skills to keep it from being destroyed. /not signed due to waste of network and database resources ------------------------------------

Alt MKII Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.29 22:48:00 - [21] Originally by: NightF0x You do realize that the ship isn't special just because it was involved in a Titan kill, right? It's not the ship, it's the pilot that had the skills to keep it from being destroyed. /not signed due to waste of network and database resources Are you telling me my kessie is not magick?
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2008.11.29 23:09:00 - [22] Hey, that guy is up to 53. Let's gank him! I'll leave if that's a pro or a con up to others to decide. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Rook Highwind	Posted - 2008.11.29 23:34:00 - [23] Worth it for added "Oh shi-" moments when people see a specific ship warp in. True, a ship will only ever be as scary as the skills of the pilot warrant, but cool nevertheless. Although I imagine it would annoy and/or enrage the guy that's collecting one of everything in EVE if ships became that unique /signed, for history's sake, and because there is no worthier cause than epeen extension. I wish I could remember where I left that battleship...
Rhaegor Stormborn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.11.30 00:12:00 - [24] I'd like this feature.
Milo Caman Gallente Asteri Rising	Posted - 2008.11.30 00:41:00 - [25] /signed. ----- Transcend EVE
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.11.30 00:47:00 - [26] I'd love this. The history is a big part of EVE. Would like to see it applied to ships too. OTOH, the part of me that understands databases wants to hurt you. - DesuSigs
James Malice Gallente concord capsuleer command and control	Posted - 2008.11.30 01:06:00 - [27] i vote si Originally by: MooKids I like them, I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
AkRoYeR Amarr	Posted - 2008.11.30 01:08:00 - [28] Mahvelous idear! /signed
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2008.11.30 01:13:00 - [29] No. Killboards are bad enough. The only thing like it that would be acceptable would be: "Creation Date: " "Killing Blows: " And on wrecks maybe a "Date Destroyed: " "Last Known Name:" "Previous Owner:" Nothing specific, we dont need to know how often you kill battleships using templars assigned to shuttles which have tanked doomsdays... That would not only cause alot of Epeen ammo, but alot of server stress...
Neth'Rae Gallente Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.30 02:14:00 - [30] lol, Imagine seeing 'Previous Owners:' WTS Chribbas Ibis - 100mil! I do Sigs, Banners and other Graphics for ISK. Click Here!

Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.11.30 03:00:00 - [31] I brought this up last year and was flamed to hell and back for it. I simply suggested that once a ship is assembled, you can name it once. Once it's named differently from it's default name ("Bellum Eternus' Megathron" for instance) then it can't be renamed again unless it's repackaged. The ship history would have all kills attached to it, as well as damage dealt and received. I agree that it would be neat to attach some history to a particular ship. Make you want to keep it alive a little longer in some cases, and make people hunt you down just to destroy it. You could even attach a bounty to a particular ship. But again, everyone yelled at me for it. Meh. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Death of Virtue is Recruiting
Larg Kellein Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.11.30 03:14:00 - [32] Fun idea, though not fun enough to cripple the database over... Also, it brought this to mind, which is always a good thing: This is my Rifter. There are many like it but this one is mine. My Rifter is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my Rifter is useless. Without my Rifter I am useless.
Cors It's A Trap White Core	Posted - 2008.11.30 03:59:00 - [33] Edited by: Cors on 30/11/2008 03:59:39 on my broadsword one of my char's used while pirateing in lowsec this fall, I would collect the corpse of every ships I killed, and put it in the cargo hold. Not a new idea. I didn't think much of it. Till my corp moved, and one of my dir's moved that HIC to another system. Problem was, he had to take the corpse's out of the hold to put it on the carrier. Vent went something like this. "DUDE. WTF!!" -"Huh? What?" "What's with all the corpses in the hold. Wife not giveing you any at home? need play toys?" -"Haha(Sarcastically). No. When we were pirateing, I snagged each corpse from each pod kill. Why?" "Dude, theres like a hundred of them in here!" -"I know. Why? What's wrong?" "But.. Didn't you loose these when you were blown up?" -"Haven't lost a ship in a few months. So no.." "But dude.. seriously.. that many?" -"What can I say. When the targets had the choice of attack the HIC, or the BS's, then always attacked you guys in the BS's. Not my fault." "Damn... Do you really want me to move all these?" -"Please. I want the person who kills me to understand what that ship's been through." so I'm all for the ship history thing. Maybe make a toggle so it can be private only. Corp only. Alliance only. Open to all to view.
Alt MKII Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.30 07:54:00 - [34] Hmm, reading this sober, doens't sound like a bad idea at all. Now, what was the name of that drink....
SharpMango 14th Legion	Posted - 2008.11.30 08:36:00 - [35] /signed CCP make it so!
Icarus Flame Amarr Van Ness Pet Hospital	Posted - 2008.11.30 08:46:00 - [36] This is a fantastic idea. Possibly the best idea that has ever surfaced from these forums. Absolutely 100% signed. And all those who say no to this are fun-hating EVE ****s.
Mika Meroko Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc	Posted - 2008.11.30 09:16:00 - [37] sounds nice and all... but I can imagine the havoc it will wreck on the database if it keeps track of all those things.... I mean yeah.. if you think the lag's bad now XD.. imagine the database keeping track and recalling those information everytime is loaded.... ... Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
chaotic manipulative	Posted - 2008.11.30 09:20:00 - [38] I really like your idea. But to simplify the impact it has on the database I would prefer a Bio for your ship. So you could keep a track of your kills yourself if you want to.
Alt MKII Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.30 09:41:00 - [39] As I said if this could have the slightest impact on lag, can it. File it and reconsider it when Eve 128 comes along.....
Cryten Jones Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.11.30 10:18:00 - [40] When I first started playing I can remember thinking it would be cool to have the ship names show in space not the characters, this was the ships would become notorius and have the "Holy poo it's the flaming stocking, run for you life!!!!" effect. Maybe this is something that the T3 ships should have as each ship will be a law to it's self so notoriaty and history would be more useful in working out what the helll you are facing.. -CJ Originally by: Nogap toosmall and your understanding of probability is on par with a radish.

Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.	Posted - 2008.11.30 10:22:00 - [41] That'd be pretty damn cool.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.30 11:24:00 - [42] Originally by: Bellum Eternus I brought this up last year and was flamed to hell and back for it. I simply suggested that once a ship is assembled, you can name it once. Once it's named differently from it's default name ("Bellum Eternus' Megathron" for instance) then it can't be renamed again unless it's repackaged. The ship history would have all kills attached to it, as well as damage dealt and received. I agree that it would be neat to attach some history to a particular ship. Make you want to keep it alive a little longer in some cases, and make people hunt you down just to destroy it. You could even attach a bounty to a particular ship. But again, everyone yelled at me for it. Meh. Sounds like a lagtastic idea tbh, and this is nothing compared to the OP's suggestion, that would be lagnificent. -----
Kioko Dal	Posted - 2008.11.30 11:35:00 - [43] I really like the idea, and to be honest, this isn't going to hit the DB all that much. The reads and writes will be pretty rare. I say go for it. CCP is obviously pretty good at optimizing their DB (side note: I wonder what they use for a DB), I have faith that they would be able to add this in pretty easily, and with minimal (read:no) impact on performance.
Terraform Gallente Recreation Of The World	Posted - 2008.11.30 11:57:00 - [44] wow, you actually came upwith a good idea. /signed
Alt MKII Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.30 12:12:00 - [45] Originally by: Terraform wow, you actually came upwith a good idea. /signed Don't blame me, blame the grog. I try to troll as much as the next guy.
Ombey Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.11.30 12:43:00 - [46] I like it- can't see it happening due to massive DB resource hogging, but maybe just "creation date" and "created by". -- 2d EveMaps\|My blog
Arrs Grazznic Poena Executive Solutions	Posted - 2008.11.30 13:01:00 - [47] Nice, simple idea. As others have said I can't really see it happening due to potential DB / lag issues, but it is one of those things that could add depth to the game. Cheers, Arrs
Tonkin D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.30 13:21:00 - [48] /signed would love to know how far my carrer has travled, its 18 months old and do at least 20 jumps a day inside of it, be pretty cool lol trying to sell it might be a problem. buyer "its got 65,000 light years on the clock!!"
Another Forum'Alt	Posted - 2008.11.30 13:26:00 - [49] yay, more pointless database load!
Alt MKII Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.30 13:57:00 - [50] Oh here is the next guy I was reffering to....

Sebea Bottomfeeders Science and Research	Posted - 2008.11.30 16:51:00 - [51] Originally by: Another Forum'Alt yay, more pointless database load! not to be confused with all the "show info" on pilots that are pulled up 10 million times a day seriously, its a good idea, though asshats like this guy are so bitter they can't spit that sentence out in reference to another person. If ccp wanted to, they could likely do this with as much of a db hit as all the show info's on the ships and pilots in space, i.e. minimal
Alt MKII Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.30 19:38:00 - [52] I also honestly believe lag would be virtually non existent but really only CCP can comment on the db load generated by something like this. As many have said and I totally agree, nice to have, would add lots of depth but not in exchange of extra lag.

CCP Applebabe	Posted - 2008.12.01 09:50:00 - [53] Moved to " Features & Ideas Discussion " Channel. Applebabe Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang

Alt MKII Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.01 14:53:00 - [54] Just a bump to see if we can get more opinions on this.


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