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Atomos Darksun Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.29 23:01:00 - [1] Edited by: Atomos Darksun on 29/11/2008 23:07:52 Alright, so avast picked up some rootkits today. Since I've been meaning to get Vista off this machine for a while, this just got my procrastinating ass to do it. 1. Linux. I don't even know where to start with this. How would this impact the use of most of my programs? Will Wine work for most games? (Can I run Premium graphics through this, or games like 2142, Sins, X3, Dawn of War, Hitman, etc?) Which strand of Linux? 2. Server 2008 converted to a workstation. Somebody linked the guide to do this (and the download link) a few months back, and I was stupid and deleted the bookmark. Free, more secure, and allows me to not have to really learn anything new. 3. Go back to 32 bit XP and lose use of 500MB of RAM. (I don't even think this is an option, after the first time I installed it, it has always frozen on setup) 4. Reinstall Vista. (Notice how this is even after the not-possible option?) While using Server 2008 would be easier for me - I'd rather learn something new, and in the end Linux allows for more control over ones own system. I'm sick of "You need administrator access to do this!" I AM A **ING ADMINISTRATOR YOU STUPID *! Originally by:** Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... CONVERT TO LINKIFICATION! http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameb
Darth Skorpius Crystalline INC The Black Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.29 23:10:00 - [2] ive got to admit, i like vista. is there any reason why you removed it? ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________ updating sig, brb
Atomos Darksun Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.29 23:13:00 - [3] Originally by: Darth Skorpius ive got to admit, i like vista. is there any reason why you removed it? Originally by: Atomos Darksun in the end Linux allows for more control over ones own system. I'm sick of "You need administrator access to do this!" I AM A **ING ADMINISTRATOR YOU STUPID *! And the fact that it's a system resource *. And the desktop icons are too big. And it's embarrassing as hell to tell people I have Vista on it. In the end, it's not a bad operating system, it's just not a good one. Originally by:** Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... CONVERT TO LINKIFICATION! http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameb
Benco97 Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.29 23:15:00 - [4] Turn off UAC, Disable Aero, Enjoy. Originally by: P'uck You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
Darth Skorpius Crystalline INC The Black Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.29 23:18:00 - [5] Originally by: Benco97 Turn off UAC, Disable Aero, Enjoy. what he said. also, you can make the icons smaller, i believe that there are 3 different sizes. i only have uac turned on because other people use this pc and it stops them from putting random crap on without my knowledge. other than that, i think it is an awesome os although when you first use it, you dont know hwere anythign is, lol ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________ updating sig, brb
Atomos Darksun Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.29 23:20:00 - [6] Originally by: Benco97 Turn off UAC, Disable Aero, Enjoy. First things I did after I set my res. I need to reformat either way. And I'd rather try something new for a change. Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... CONVERT TO LINKIFICATION! http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameb
Benco97 Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.29 23:23:00 - [7] Originally by: Atomos Darksun Originally by: Benco97 Turn off UAC, Disable Aero, Enjoy. First things I did after I set my res. I need to reformat either way. And I'd rather try something new for a change. Fair enough, fair enough. My vote definitely goes for Server 2008, I use it on my HP Netserver E800 and it is GOOD, 2008 is pretty much Vista without all the faff and in a more respectable package. Originally by: P'uck You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2008.11.29 23:25:00 - [8] Server 2008 is a good choice for gaming. Non of that Vista bloat crap they shove in (well less of it!). Ubuntu or any Linux distro is not for wide-spectrum gamers, simply a lot of games don't have native linux programs to use. And despite what people might say about Wine(X) and Cedega, they are somewhat lacking.
Irulan S'Dijana Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.11.29 23:39:00 - [9] Oooh...how does obtain this Server 2008? And how much does it cost? My experience has been limited to standard PC OS.
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.11.29 23:43:00 - [10] Originally by: Benco97 Turn off UAC, Disable Aero, Enjoy. For reference, just how much does turning off Aero help with Vista's performance? I've never really messed about with it. \o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF THE YEAR! \o/ >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Benco97 Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.29 23:54:00 - [11] Originally by: Irulan S'Dijana Oooh...how does obtain this Server 2008? And how much does it cost? My experience has been limited to standard PC OS. Can be gotten for free if you are a student here Or for free in some illegitimate manner I presume. Also, you can get a pretty long free trial, 170 days or something I think. Originally by: Verone Originally by: Benco97 Turn off UAC, Disable Aero, Enjoy. For reference, just how much does turning off Aero help with Vista's performance? I've never really messed about with it. Totally depends on your system really, for example, on my computer I actually DON'T follow my advice, I keep it turned on, i'm not a huge gamer you see, EVE and Planetside are all I play anymore and as you can imagine, having Aero turned on or off doesn't really matter very much at all to either of those. I have heard of people seeing "Significant" improvements but I have no hard figures, someone around here probably does though. Originally by: P'uck You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.11.30 00:00:00 - [12] Originally by: Benco97 I have heard of people seeing "Significant" improvements but I have no hard figures, someone around here probably does though. Yeah, I've heard the same but never been able to pin down any facts and figures. I tend to run high end games a lot (crysis, eve premium, half-life 2, farcry 2, bioshock to name a few) but the machine i have is a self built overclocked quad core, quad SLI rig with 8GB of overclocked DDR3, so I'm wondering if it's really going to make much of a difference tbh. \o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF THE YEAR! \o/ >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Benco97 Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.30 00:06:00 - [13] Originally by: Verone quad SLI rig with 8GB of overclocked DDR3 Ahh, well with this info I'd say that any performance you see from disabling Aero would have to be some sort of placebo. It's your GPU and RAM that have a bearing on performance gain when disabling Aero and lets be honest, your PC isn't exactly going to have a problem rendering a desktop at the same time as a game now is it? Again, no hard evidence but I would happily wager that you'll gain no noticeable improvement by disabling Aero. Things OTHER than FPS improvements should be taken into account though, some people have reported that Aero can leak memory and cause all sorts of other weird things but as I said, unless you were experiencing issues then I'd just leave it on. Originally by: P'uck You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
Atomos Darksun Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.30 00:50:00 - [14] Originally by: Benco97 Originally by: Irulan S'Dijana Oooh...how does obtain this Server 2008? And how much does it cost? My experience has been limited to standard PC OS. Can be gotten for free if you are a student here Or for free in some illegitimate manner I presume. Any other legal way to get it free? Or any other opinions on Linux? Otherwise I may just have to reformat every 240 days... not too bad. Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... CONVERT TO LINKIFICATION! http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameb
Benco97 Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.30 00:56:00 - [15] Edited by: Benco97 on 30/11/2008 00:57:02 Originally by: Atomos Darksun Any other legal way to get it free? Or any other opinions on Linux? Otherwise I may just have to reformat every 240 days... not too bad. Not that I know of at the moment, I've got it for free because it's an RC copy but it's up to date, not sure what happened there I'm expecting a big message to pop up at some point telling me I'm a total pain in the ass for still using an RC and that it'll stop working in 60 days or something and at that point I'll just do the reformat shuffle. Edit- Broken quote tags, I'm tired Originally by: P'uck You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.30 02:52:00 - [16] Edited by: NightmareX on 30/11/2008 02:54:08 Originally by: Atomos Darksun 2. Server 2008 converted to a workstation. Somebody linked the guide to do this (and the download link) a few months back, and I was stupid and deleted the bookmark. Free, more secure, and allows me to not have to really learn anything new. That's probably me that wrote it. Well now someone in corp made a topic on the D00M forum asking me about Server 2008, so i can just copy and paste what i said there then. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ok, i'm gonna write some good stuffs here about Windows Server 2008. First, you can download Windows Server 2008 for free from this link: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=13C7300E-935C-415A-A79C-538E933D5424&displaylang=en. Yes you can download it right from Microsoft ;) . Then you can use the OS for 240 trial days. But if you follow this link here and do what it's written there, you can get infinite time on your Server 2008: http://www.mcflymethod.com. When you are on the page, then you will see a blue bar on the right top corner where it says 'ByPass'. Press that link and you will get to a page where it says what you have to do to get infinite time on Server 2008. This link might not work in Internet Explorer, so you might have to use Firefox. There is no cracking or anything like that. You only need to disable one service and take ownership of 3 files in System32 folder and then delete the 3 files. After you have done that, it will still say that you have 60 days left before you have to activate your OS, or 0 days left if you took the clock one year forward, but that's not needed. But don't worry because you removed those files that control the whole thing and then when the trial days is out, it wont ask for a serial EVER :lol: . And you can still update your OS via Windows Update after that to. After you have done all of that, then it's the time to configure the OS after how you want it to be. First thing is to read this: http://www.win2008workstation.com/wordpress/. That's a good thing to read if you want to configure Windows Server 2008 to a Workstation. Or you can just download the Windows Server 2008 Workstation Converter that have most of the things you need to get the OS to be a Workstation. Link is here: http://www.win2008workstation.com/wordpress/2008/07/17/windows-server-2008-workstation-converter/. I don't really need to tell how to enable Aero themes and that, because it's all explained on the first link :D . Since Windows Server 2008 is running on the same core and kernel as Windows Vista, it means that all Windows Vista drivers will work with Windows Server 2008. Just remember to download 64-bit drivers if you have the 64-bit version of Server 2008. And it also means you have DirectX 10 in Server 2008. Like me, i'm running the Windows Vista 64-bit version driver of ATI Catalyst Software Suite v8.11. And it's working perfect. But you can run into some few small problems though, but not really a problem for me though. You know, your running a 'Server' OS right. Then some programs will detect that you are running a Server OS, and then the program will not install because the software is not for Server OS'es. So take this for example. I have the program 'O&O Defrag Professional Edition v11. That program wont install on Server 2008, so i have to use O&O Defrag Server Edition v11 instead, so there is no problems there. There is not often you get over programs that detect that you are running a Server OS. So it's nothing to worry about tbh. And the good thing with Server 2008 is that the OS is ****ing stable as hell. I have never seen it crash. I have only seen it crash when i have been using unstable drivers or when i have been overclocking my CPU and that, so i get BSOD sometimes. But without that, it have never crashed. Continues on next reply........... Check out my new flash web page 'Alpha Strike'
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.30 02:53:00 - [17] Edited by: NightmareX on 30/11/2008 02:55:21 But i have actually gone way more far than just configuring my Server 2008 so it runs very good. I have actually made the OS much much smaller by using a program called vLite. You can see more info about it here: http://www.vlite.net/. The program removes all kind of useless things in the OS that you don't need. Like me, i have removed all kind of drivers i don't need. And have also removed all kind of other tools i don't need, like Paint, all of the games that is with Vista and Server 2008. And i have also removed many other things like services that you don't need. But, you need to know what you are removing before you use that program. If you remove to many files, you can make some things to be broken. So only use vLite if you know exactly what your doing. And i know what i'm doing, so before i started to remove things from the OS, the ISO file to Server 2008 took 2.49 GB. After i was done to remove all the stuffs i don't need, the ISO file took 1.17 GB :lol: . And still, everything works like it should in the OS. Yes the performance in Windows Server 2008 is awesome if you have configured the OS right. It's much better than you can get in Windows XP EVER, and it's also better than Windows Vista, whatever you do with Vista. Check out my new flash web page 'Alpha Strike'
Irulan S'Dijana Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.11.30 04:47:00 - [18] Edited by: Irulan S''Dijana on 30/11/2008 04:55:55 sex edit: That mcfly site doesn't seem to work. And it's a rather crucial step...
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2008.11.30 05:57:00 - [19] wait a moment here. Windows server 08 is vista, but more stable? Can i somehow upgrade my vista into server 08? Because im too lazy to reinstall all my games >.< Originally by: Akita T Seriously ? ...wow... I'm such a forum ho' !
Irulan S'Dijana Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.11.30 06:57:00 - [20] Originally by: Lance Fighter wait a moment here. Windows server 08 is vista, but more stable? Can i somehow upgrade my vista into server 08? Because im too lazy to reinstall all my games >.< Dear god the patching. Steam alone is gonna kill my download limit for a month.
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.30 07:16:00 - [21] Steps to using Vista. 1. Disable UAC. 2. Disable Aero. 3. Make you own account an administrator. 4. Go through every directory to allow yourself rights to access it. (My Documents and Program Files especially). 5. Play with it for a while until it completely ****es you off. 6. Wipe the HD and install a real OS like Linux. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.30 07:17:00 - [22] Edited by: NightmareX on 30/11/2008 07:22:18 Originally by: Irulan S'Dijana Originally by: Lance Fighter wait a moment here. Windows server 08 is vista, but more stable? Can i somehow upgrade my vista into server 08? Because im too lazy to reinstall all my games >.< Dear god the patching. Steam alone is gonna kill my download limit for a month. LOLS, you still have this download limits?. Isn't that so 2003?. Originally by: Dantes Revenge Steps to using Vista. 1. Disable UAC. 2. Disable Aero. 3. Make you own account an administrator. 4. Go through every directory to allow yourself rights to access it. (My Documents and Program Files especially). 5. Play with it for a while until it completely **es you off. 6. Wipe the HD and install a real OS like Linux. 7. Play with it for a while until you find out that you can't use premium graphic on EVE Online in Linux, and then **es you off. 8: Wipe the HD and install a real OS like Windows Server 2008. Fix'd. I just had to add the few points you missed. Check out my new flash web page 'Alpha Strike'
Irulan S'Dijana Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.11.30 07:23:00 - [23] Edited by: Irulan S''Dijana on 30/11/2008 07:25:26 Originally by: NightmareX Dear god the patching. Steam alone is gonna kill my download limit for a month. LOLS, you still have this download limits?. Isn't that so 2003?. Worse, I'm in Australia. edit:Also, could you list a few of the bigger things we can safely get rid of using vLite? I personally use my comp for office stuff (open office specifically), surfing (firefox/chrome) and gaming. Don't use photoshop or video editing software, and if I did I'd probably go el cheapo and get the open source versions.
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.30 07:30:00 - [24] Originally by: Irulan S'Dijana Edited by: Irulan S''Dijana on 30/11/2008 07:25:26 Originally by: NightmareX Dear god the patching. Steam alone is gonna kill my download limit for a month. LOLS, you still have this download limits?. Isn't that so 2003?. Worse, I'm in Australia. edit:Also, could you list a few of the bigger things we can safely get rid of using vLite? I personally use my comp for office stuff (open office specifically), surfing (firefox/chrome) and gaming. Don't use photoshop or video editing software, and if I did I'd probably go el cheapo and get the open source versions. I would list the things that you don't need, but atm i'm to tired to do that, because i need to load up the original ISO file of Windows Server 2008 and look at it via vLite and then write down what you don't need. And that can take a little time. So i'll do it later when i wake up. Check out my new flash web page 'Alpha Strike'
Irulan S'Dijana Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.11.30 08:42:00 - [25] wohooo! Thanks. Oh, and just to check, I've got an Intel E6600 and I've got "6001.18000.080118-1840_x86fre_Server_en-us-KRMSFRE_EN_DVD.iso". Pretty sure that's right, but just to check. Actually, I probably should've asked that before I downloaded it.
Dante Cyberon	Posted - 2008.11.30 09:12:00 - [26] Originally by: Irulan S'Dijana Edited by: Irulan S''Dijana on 30/11/2008 08:50:12 wohooo! Thanks. Oh, and just to check, I've got an Intel E6600 and I've got "6001.18000.080118-1840_x86fre_Server_en-us-KRMSFRE_EN_DVD.iso". Pretty sure that's right, but just to check. Actually, I probably should've asked that before I downloaded it. edit: I probably should mention I don't actually know what I'm doing. I have the aforementioned ISO burned to a CD (and it works). At what point do I do the vLite stuff? I believe, the only difference you need to note is whether its x86 (32bit) or x64 (64bit).
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.30 15:31:00 - [27] Edited by: NightmareX on 30/11/2008 15:57:44 Ok, i have now gone through vLite and removed the stuffs that are not needed. But after i was done, it was lots of files that could be removed, that are not needed at all. So instead of writing down all of the files that are not needed, then i will give you the link to the config file i made in vLite. Here is the config file: Windows Server 2008 64-bit Standard vLited by NightmareX. First you have to install vLite ofc. When you have done that, then place the file in the RAR file into the 'presets' folder in the vLite folder where you have installed the program. Then you start vLite and you have to choose the ISO file in Daemon Tools if you have it. If not, install it. And then mount the Server 2008 ISO file. Then you choose the DVD-ROM where the Server 2008 ISO file is mounted in, and then select it in vLite. Now you have to choose the version of Windows Server 2008 you want. Personally i would take the Standard version. Or i think you have to take the Standard version anyways now, because i did choose the Standard version and then checked the files that can be removed. Remember to not choose any of the Core versions, as long you don't want a Command Line version of Windows Server 2008 without a GUI. Now you can go to 'Preset' in vLite and Load the config file you moved to the 'preset' folder. And then press next. Here you are where you can choose to integrate, tweak and remove components stuffs. I would recommend you to read what the different component i have selected to be removed does before you do anything more. Incase i have selected something that you need. Now just continue until you get to the point where you can make a new ISO file. And then make the ISO file. Now it's the time to burn the ISO file to a DVD after that. And the rest i believe you know what to do. Remember, i haven't removed everything i would remove for my self, because i don't really know what you want to keep. So i'll just removed the crap you don't need anyways. So i don't know how much smaller the ISO file would be now though. If you end up by some problems, then let me know, so i can see if i can help you to fix the problem.
Asestorian Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.11.30 16:01:00 - [28] The disabling of Aero in Vista is entirely dependent on your system, as well as what you do on it. Running games in fullscreen should turn off Aero anyway, but running in windowed mode still keeps Aero running, so you may find yourself with very slightly improved performance from turning it off. I can't give much opinion on Server 2008. Linux, I can give a little bit of an opinion on, as I've been forced to used it for a little bit the past week or so. The "Administrator access" thing does exist, in reality. But it's far less infuriating and you don't necessarily have to log into the administrator (root) account to have that level of access. This is quite a lot of the reason that Linux is considered more secure. You are right, of course, that you get a lot more control over the system if you learn how to get that control though. Gaming on Linux is a bit of a hit and miss thing. If you have the wrong hardware even your desktop is going to be sluggish. This is a driver issue, but it isn't something that the open source community can easily solve. It's more about hardware manufacturers not giving enough of a damn about Linux. If you have the right set of hardware you may be good to go, however. But be warned. Gaming isn't anywhere near as good yet on Linux as it is on Windows. Some games, mostly older ones, can work great. Some might work oddly and others won't work at all. Performance is probably going to be a little to severely reduced and the whole thing can end up quite complicated and frustrating. Depending on how much you play games you may want to at least dual boot with Windows for that purpose with Linux used for your more everyday things. If you play games almost all the time this is going to be annoying and you might as well stick with Windows anyway. If you do go with Linux, then most commonly people tend to go for Ubuntu as a start, with another alternative start being Fedora. Then, depending on what you want to do, you might end up looking at something like Arch, which I have been hearing a lot about as a system that those who want to know more about Linux flock to, and those who already know a lot about Linux can become quite fond of as well. Also, it doesn't have a ridiculously stupid name. I expect many proponents of Linux would suggest "distro-hopping" anyway, if you really want to find something that fits. There are hundreds of distributions of Linux for a variety of needs and purposes as well as the ability for you to make your own, even stripping down the Linux kernel and recompiling it for maximum performance. Honestly though, I haven't had any problems with Vista. Vista was running absolutely fine until my motherboard killed itself. --- Originally by: CCP Atropos Destiny Balls
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2008.11.30 16:52:00 - [29] so i guess its a reformat deal to go from vista to server 08? :( that sucks... might install it on my other hd or dual boot or something; how big is it once installed? Originally by: Akita T Seriously ? ...wow... I'm such a forum ho' !
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.30 17:29:00 - [30] Edited by: NightmareX on 30/11/2008 17:38:37 Originally by: Lance Fighter so i guess its a reformat deal to go from vista to server 08? :( that sucks... might install it on my other hd or dual boot or something; how big is it once installed? I'm not 100% sure on how big it is after the install with the original Windows Server 2008 ISO file. But if i'm not wrong, the OS want you to have like 15 GB HDD space free before you can install it. That's also with the Virtual Memory file activated on C: partition in the OS after it's installed. But on my ISO version that takes 1.17 GB, it takes like 6 GB after install, but that's also with the Virtual Memory activated on the C: partition. And the Virtual Memory file takes like 2 GB i think. So the OS it self takes around 4 GB i think. And on my version of Server 2008 the OS want me to have 7-8 GB HDD space free before i can install it. I always move the Virtual Memory file to another HDD than my OS is on. EDIT: Yeah, it's recommended to just format your C: partition before you install Server 2008. I'm not 100% if that's needed, but in my years of experience, i would do it anyways. because you can get into problems and errors because of that. Check out my new flash web page 'Alpha Strike'

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