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Yelan Zhou
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.01 08:04:00 -
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Whats a Caldari ? Are Caldari those ugly guys who shoot always with firecrackers?
War. War never changes.
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Necrosmith
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.12.01 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: KingDiomedes we have been nerfed into submission, the only decent ship we have is falcon other than that we suck at pvp have no dps cant fit point or web without losing our tank so seriously whast the point in caldari, when chosing a race caldari should come with a warning - sucks at everything apart from mission running so chose another race... discuss :)
Let's hear it for run-on sentences! ---- For those of you who claim to support the troops and oppose national health care, I have a question. Why do you insist on punishing our veterans with free health care? |
Ikonia
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Posted - 2008.12.01 08:44:00 -
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Edited by: Ikonia on 01/12/2008 08:44:23 Players always hate it, when methodes, techniques or processes in which they trust and are common to use suddenly change. This was in all other games i have been playing like that, and it won't be different here in Eve. It is obvious that most players here which are laughing about Caldaris and their complains are not aware that there might be consequences that hit us all. This shall not be a warning or something, but i remember back this years release of Age of Conan, in which the changes to the game and its balance in fact stopped the success of a game which was really great at its release.
I am no Caldari. My best RL friend is Caldari and we play together. Before i start - this is not a missile-nerf-complain-posting. When QR was released i was really curious about it. I just love weapon grouping. Patch was good. What i dindt like were this "undocumented" changes, the changes posted that never came or arent working and the lot of bugs that came along with it.
Scenario? Before QR: Me as Tank in an Abaddon, friend in Rattlesnake with CMs as DPS. It worked great. After QR: Caldaris are far better tanks now, but the DPS of them is really bad. On the other side i changed from a tank to a super DPS. Not that i know all and i want to convince anyone that my view is the only right or so - it is nothing more or less what i experienced and my point of view. While before the patch Frigates sometimes were annoying, after QR they are far better. Ok, i can live with it :) I really like when games become harder so it is a new challenge and thats better than doing the same all day long for years in a game. That i couldnt tank that good anymore with my BS was new for me, yes and i lost it. Np. me and my friend were a bit angry and just slipped into our new roles and changed completely the sides, now he tanks and i am the shooter.
In the night from saturday to sunday a new change must have been implemented or some settings must have been changed. I do still the same dmg, but i tank as good as before. The dmg from my friend raised and he tanks better than before. We made like 8 missions and tbh, now it is more easy than before QR. Is this only my impression or did you also notice some changes. We dont PVP, we are just mission runners and we fly L4s in Amarr Empire. Not that i dislike the change but i want to find out, if this is just a random experience and nothing changed, or CCP changed the settings without telling, because of the lots of complains about the missile nerf - for my opinion the complains were absolutely right.
The range and dmg change on missiles only changed vs smaller NPC vessels? How comes that Player BS are slowed down by speednerf but NPC BS are faster than before? We found Apocs of BRs flying with 180 m/s.
I prefer that changes - no matter if popular or not - shall be announced. What i hate is being treated as a fool, though i am a paying customer.
And sorry for my bad english, it is not my native tongue.
Greets Iko -- Honker:"Damn! Ok, I'll go and loot my wife now..." -- Bearhug:"Hey all. Whatcha doin?" Steve:"licking ass in a geddon in AE4... Bearhug:"Nice typo, Steve!" |
Geronimo Zorn
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Posted - 2008.12.01 09:16:00 -
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Well, Caldari may not be happy with the patch. But look at the big picture. The Metagame shifts more and more to groups. And for groups, Caldari are still ok. Get some Minmatar tackler for your Caldari gang and things are fine
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Hyveres
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.01 09:22:00 -
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Only thing they should do is make the caldari capitals railbased instead of missilebased though :)
Since that is apparently our primary weapon system
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Karille
Gallente Cold Templars Templar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.12.01 09:39:00 -
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Or split weapon like the Nag.
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Le Cardinal
Black Plague.
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Posted - 2008.12.01 09:45:00 -
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I was a bit negative when the patch came, but after a battle yesterday i can now confirm that caldari still rock :d
We had a heavy bs gang consisting mainly of cruisemissile ravens vs a mixed bs snipergang. After some warping back and fort we managed to lure them into a dictorbubble and warped in at closerange. The fight was fought from 10km up to 80-90km. We ripped them apart.
Caldari is still equalled to other races. Adapt and learn how to fly the ships. This is coming from a caldari that pretty much always fly caldari ships these days.
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.12.01 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn You're ugly too.
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Stitcher
Caldari Duty.
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Posted - 2008.12.01 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Dasalt Istgut You're a lyer. Only gunboat you've flown is the rokh and with it, you're dead bottom or almost bottom on every killmail with it.
For my time with Duty, that's probably true. It's an unfortunate consequence of only being able to use tech 1 guns.
I'm kind of super-specialized in tanking right now - never put a lot of SP into weapons until recently. Fortunately for me, that'll be changing in about 48 hours. |
Icutty Lotz
elite spacer Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.01 12:12:00 -
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so i take it you never trained support skills for missiles? i took both a torp raven(with 5 tp drones) and cruse raven into missions and noticed nothing from pre QR. So basically all the pach has done is make the support skills needed like they are for guns
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.12.01 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Dasalt Istgut You're a lyer. Only gunboat you've flown is the rokh and with it, you're dead bottom or almost bottom on every killmail with it.
Because a man's competence with a ship - and the quality of the ship he flies - is measured solely by how many killmails he appears on. -----
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Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.01 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Icutty Lotz so i take it you never trained support skills for missiles? i took both a torp raven(with 5 tp drones) and cruse raven into missions and noticed nothing from pre QR. So basically all the pach has done is make the support skills needed like they are for guns
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RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.12.01 16:49:00 -
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Is OP a troll
There was even talk of French toast
But there was none to be had |
Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.12.01 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: KingDiomedes we have been nerfed into submission, the only decent ship we have is falcon other than that we suck at pvp have no dps cant fit point or web without losing our tank so seriously whast the point in caldari, when chosing a race caldari should come with a warning - sucks at everything apart from mission running so chose another race... discuss :)
I am still awesome. That might just be me though.
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Euriti
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.12.01 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Euriti on 01/12/2008 17:27:25
Originally by: KingDiomedes Karille i take it you have never flown in a fleet in 0.0 or probably have never been as your too busy running missions and keeping your fluffy coat clean and looking nice for the male bears, if you have ever seen a fleet fit raven in a battle. Basically because the target is normally dead before your missiles hit it you have to go for the tertiary target first so you can actually hit something. now those that say blah blah the raven is for alpha dmg?? our alpha dmg now sucks and every other bs in the game hits faster and harder than the missile bs's. so what i am saying is that MISSILES suck for everything other than pve and as caldari is a missile biased race we suck !!
It's called a Rokh
Just sayin'
Also in before "BUT I WANT TO USE MY MISSILE SP". Tried using a Dominix in a fleet battle? Even worse. BUT I WANT TO USE MY DRONE SP.
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Northern Fall
Minmatar Guild Navy
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Posted - 2008.12.01 18:23:00 -
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Take the nerfbat like a man!
Someone has sawn all my guns in half since the new update but have you noticed the amount of minmatar related whines in the forums?
next to nothing!
Either get a corpy with some painters or just buy some different guns
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Dasalt Istgut
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Posted - 2008.12.01 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Dasalt Istgut You're a lyer. Only gunboat you've flown is the rokh and with it, you're dead bottom or almost bottom on every killmail with it.
Because a man's competence with a ship - and the quality of the ship he flies - is measured solely by how many killmails he appears on.
It is if you're going to tell me the crappy caldari failboat snipers are good. They're not. They smell of failure. Dismal, dismal failure.
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.12.01 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Northern Fall but have you noticed the amount of minmatar related whines in the forums? next to nothing!
Because Minmatar still kick ass. It's just that so few people actually play it that everyone just thinks they still suck and are getting nerfed. Hell I still love my minny alt that roams lowsec missioning and PVPing making me isk and killing any amarr ship that they come across.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.12.01 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dasalt Istgut It is if you're going to tell me the crappy caldari failboat snipers are good. They're not. They smell of failure. Dismal, dismal failure.
I think it was at this point that we worked out that Dasalt Istgut hasn't seen a genuine PvP op in his life. -----
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BhallSpawn
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Posted - 2008.12.01 23:36:00 -
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I hardly call 7 volleys of cruise coming from a CNR to kill a 30k target in a mission balanced.
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Isebella Ahih
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Posted - 2008.12.02 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: BhallSpawn I hardly call 7 volleys of cruise coming from a CNR to kill a 30k target in a mission balanced.
You're right, That's WAY OP.
A turret ship wouldn't even HIT that frigate, Guess missiles need further nerfing, Thanks for pointing that out. |
BhallSpawn
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Posted - 2008.12.02 00:41:00 -
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That's funny large turrets seem to hit small targets just fine at range.
or did you forget transversal?
meanwhile my cruise missle hits a frigate and does almost no dmg.
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Haakelen
Gallente Fire Mandrill
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Posted - 2008.12.02 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: BhallSpawn That's funny large turrets seem to hit small targets just fine at range.
or did you forget transversal?
meanwhile my cruise missle hits a frigate and does almost no dmg.
And close up, missiles will always hit, whereas turrets never will. Turrets and missiles are not the same thing. They are different. Eve is not a homogeneous blob of identical things with different names.
When I made my Achura alt, I don't remember having to fail an intelligence test to roll a Caldari character.
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2008.12.02 00:51:00 -
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"Whats the point of caldari??"
They create lots of threads whining about everything, which entertains the rest of us.
Keep it up caldari <3
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Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta
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Posted - 2008.12.02 00:53:00 -
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I fly a drake and i love it. I already have plans for cerberus and nighthawk!
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SirMoric
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.02 04:41:00 -
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"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didnĘt speak up because I wasnĘt a Communist; And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didnĘt speak up because I wasnĘt a trade unionist; And then they came for the Jews, And I didnĘt speak up because I wasnĘt a Jew; And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."
rgds
PS: I like being Caldari.
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Lurana Lay
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.02 05:41:00 -
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The point in Caldari is flying a ship in Fleet that: no one has reps for, can't tackle and tank, or ECM and tank, or anything else and tank, is slower than everyone else, has delayed damage, gigantic sig radius, miniscule grid, microscopic drone bay, and anemic DPS on anything not tripple painted and webbed. Enjoy.
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Borg Fusion
SwishFusion Advanced Powered Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.02 07:12:00 -
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The point of Caldari?
EW Missiles Shields + effective ranks up = effective overall performance
***ew had to go over a complete overhaul due to some people having the ability to shut people down at any give time. Still today EW is considered a op tool.
If you think caldari is nerfed, then you are either training the wrong skills or the ships are not fit for your playstyle.
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Subfusca
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Posted - 2008.12.02 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Hyveres Only thing they should do is make the caldari capitals railbased instead of missilebased though :)
Since that is apparently our primary weapon system
Wrong. Our primary weapon systems are based around missiles, rails being a secondary for smaller ships missiles can't catch up.
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