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KingDiomedes Caldari Shadow Company Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.11.30 03:11:00 - [1] we have been nerfed into submission, the only decent ship we have is falcon other than that we suck at pvp have no dps cant fit point or web without losing our tank so seriously whast the point in caldari, when chosing a race caldari should come with a warning - sucks at everything apart from mission running so chose another race... discuss :)
Lord Zap Caldari Retrofitted Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.11.30 03:16:00 - [2] Train Amarr
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.11.30 03:18:00 - [3] You're ugly too. - DesuSigs
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.11.30 03:22:00 - [4] The point of Caldari is to make you cry, which obviously works perfectly fine. I call this superior game design. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Jhagiti Tyran Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.11.30 03:23:00 - [5] Originally by: Lord Zap Train Amarr Thing is if loads of players do this if there is ever a nerf the wailing and gnashing of teeth could well eclipse the whines after QR.
MooKids Caldari Dark Echo Engineering	Posted - 2008.11.30 03:24:00 - [6] Adapt and overcome. The only true purpose of your race is starting skills and attributes. After that, you can become anything and do anything just as well as anyone else. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity.
KingDiomedes Caldari Shadow Company Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.11.30 03:26:00 - [7] nah its not the same lol caldari suck so im asking other than ewar whats the point in caldari? in rl missiles carry nukes so give us nukes or make hams do 70km as its been said so many times b4 missiles really do suck now its beyond a joke !! and yes my char is ugly lol looks like a pedo should have put more effort in my char pic as well as my race selection RIP Caldari
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.11.30 03:26:00 - [8] Range. You shoot at range far out of reach of all other weapon systems. Instead of putting on useless tank, you throw on ewar to further enhance your invulnerability. Get a tackler, shoot from far away and constantly align out. If you are in a long range Caldari ship and you get within 30km of the enemy, you are doing it wrong. Try doing it right. -- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.11.30 03:27:00 - [9] Originally by: KingDiomedes in rl....... Yeah, all the popular video games are based on real life. ****ing idiot. -- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
KingDiomedes Caldari Shadow Company Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.11.30 03:29:00 - [10] shoot at range?? it takes half an hour for a cruise missile to hit summat most bs can hit further than ravens now and do a hell of a lot more damge ie apoc and mega so again whats the point in caldari?
KingDiomedes Caldari Shadow Company Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.11.30 03:30:00 - [11] no doubt ur a carebear and do missions but im talking about pvp
Khemul Zula Amarr Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.11.30 03:33:00 - [12] Yes yes. The sky is falling. EVE is dying. The devs hate <insert race here>. etc. etc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Did I really need certificates to tell me I lack Basic Core Competency?
KingDiomedes Caldari Shadow Company Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.11.30 03:36:00 - [13] ok put it this way name a ship and its counterpart from the other races apart from the falcon id say 9/10 the caldari ship is at the bottom of the pile, i cant think of a caldari ship that is the best out of the other race variants?
Nick Curso Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.30 03:45:00 - [14] Originally by: KingDiomedes no doubt ur a carebear and do missions but im talking about pvp ffs, are ppl really this dumb? I guess u have never heard of a Rokh and rails.
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2008.11.30 03:47:00 - [15] Edited by: Lindsay Logan on 30/11/2008 03:48:59 Edited by: Lindsay Logan on 30/11/2008 03:48:37 But it remians a fact the missiles are not that much used in PvP. I see a few cerberuses and Drakes here and there, but mostly, I see ewar ship form caldari (that not really a bad thing, caldari have good ewar). My HAM Drake do a good job of killing stuff usually, but I am easily out damage by say a Brutix, and probartly a Harb. The Cane I am not sure about, don't fly minmatar. Myrm is a bit different and cant directly compare. I still low my Drake, its a good ship when one do not insist on lol tanking it. Sure caldari have a few range ships, and some good rail platforms. The rokh gotta be the best sniper in game, and can use neutron blasters well in addition. What would help the caldari missile boats now is actually replacing the 5% kinetic bonus with a more general 5% ROF bonus on their missile ships. That way they become much more versatile, ang get a bit more dps without ruining the curretn balance. That way I think they would become much more used. But caldari is far from a bad race. I love caldri, and I like shiled tanking. But yeh, they look horrible (the achuras)
Dyaven The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.11.30 03:59:00 - [16] Edited by: Dyaven on 30/11/2008 04:03:17 Originally by: KingDiomedes ok put it this way name a ship and its counterpart from the other races apart from the falcon id say 9/10 the caldari ship is at the bottom of the pile, i cant think of a caldari ship that is the best out of the other race variants? Maybe not at the very top of the pile, but... HIC - Onyx Sniping BS - Rokh Ganking BS - Raven (Megathron damage at 5x the range? Please, that's so not overpowered. ) Interceptor - Crow AF - Hawk (Tank) Battlecruiser - Drake Command Ship - Nighthawk I'm sure I'm forgetting some. ===== * Your signature file is broken. Please use an image that will display - Fallout
Montross 0	Posted - 2008.11.30 04:01:00 - [17] As the heavy would say, CRY SOME MORE
Bloody Rabbit Jita Miners	Posted - 2008.11.30 04:10:00 - [18] Originally by: Dyaven Maybe not at the very top of the pile, but... HIC - Onyx Sniping BS - Rokh Interceptor - Crow Battlecruiser - Drake Command Ship - Nighthawk These are why I fly Caldari, And Falcon and its cheap knock off the Blackbird. Caldari doesn't need to be the solo king of Pvp, being I roam low sec and scout 0.0 and I don't find too many "Solo pirates". Just suck it up and run with a gang, and no gang is going to tell you that you can't bring your Falcon or Onxy. I might not get mass damage shots with my missiles but I can sit there and passive tank or jam you till you cry.
Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.11.30 04:23:00 - [19] i cross trained caldari cause how broken ravens were. i stayed for the drake, rokh, and falcon. cerberus is on my "to buy next time in empire" list -- i am a humble and inefficient ammo to dps converter
OffBeaT	Posted - 2008.11.30 04:28:00 - [20] yea, we need high slot target painters and ballistics to save these ship with these nerfs..
Nexus Kinnon Genos Occidere Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.11.30 04:47:00 - [21] Cross trained for the falcon, didn't bother with anything else. Hope this helps.
Nitakko Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2008.11.30 05:12:00 - [22] The point of Caldari is the Achura alt with its base 3 charisma. ------------------------- Originally by: CCP Mitnal So we can 1 v 1 with Garmon. We are not on holiday, we never sleep. Originally by: CCP Mindstar Hamsters applied. Run, my pretties!
Nikita Alterana Gallente The Antikythera Mechanism	Posted - 2008.11.30 05:19:00 - [23] Caldari: lets stick them in there for the lulz seriously though, you still have no reason to complain. So your missiles are slightly weaker. have you seen the minmatar recently? Try flying minmatar then complain about the caldari. __________________________________________________ I was Amarr before they were the FOTM and I'll be Amarr after it! I'm also training Minmatar Capitals! And I eat Lions!
Yerotun	Posted - 2008.11.30 05:39:00 - [24] YouDoor
Mr M Legion of Illuminated Social Rejects	Posted - 2008.11.30 06:12:00 - [25] Gives OP a couple of points and commas ..... ,,,,,, EVEgeek\|Eden Underground Radio
Karanth Gallente Independent Fleet Space Exploration and Logistic Services	Posted - 2008.11.30 06:13:00 - [26] Amarr overcame. Caldari whine and cry like children. --- Wheel of Whineage
masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.11.30 06:14:00 - [27] the caldari are simply better... we invented the cloak we pioneered ewar in new eden we didnt make sentient drones that spread like rabies (gallente :P ) we didnt enslave billions we pioneered warp drive we were the first to have pod technology o the list goes on
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.30 06:14:00 - [28] Atm the point of caldari is to provide easy targets for other races. Too bad they don't tell this in race description, so new people contine to chose that "mighty capitalistic warrior race" and end up as cannon fodder, while providing others arguements like "caldari can't be that bad cause theres so many of them and so many can't be wrong".
Khemul Zula Amarr Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.11.30 06:28:00 - [29] Originally by: masternerdguy the caldari are simply better... we invented the cloak we pioneered ewar in new eden we didnt make sentient drones that spread like rabies (gallente :P ) we didnt enslave billions we pioneered warp drive we were the first to have pod technology o the list goes on How's that all going for you? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Did I really need certificates to tell me I lack Basic Core Competency?
Mad Martyr Caldari Kiith Paktu	Posted - 2008.11.30 06:30:00 - [30] Originally by: Karanth Amarr overcame. Caldari whine and cry like children. I'm caldari and the only thing im cying about is trolls like this guy! How long since the patch came out and everyone still hasn't got to grips with it yet, jeeze how long does it take babies to teeth? Note: Caldari are stuck the way we are for now, the ability to train same skills as everyone else is there for a reason... Note 2: This was a cry/trolling thread poorly disguised as a question before you said "Im not crying about missiles wah, wah, wah. Etc...
DJ Obsidian New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2008.11.30 06:31:00 - [31] Whine whine whine whine, seriously i feel like im in a grape field with all this whine around. Fit a target painter, buy hard wire implants, and train other skills, target painter drones anyone. I dont see what everyone is complaining about I can still go afk in a mission with my drake with FOF's and still win, same with the raven. Finally, Caldari is best suited for ewar, unless you are in an appropriate sniper vessal like a rokh.
Mickey Simon Noir.	Posted - 2008.11.30 06:42:00 - [32] I fly Caldari and haven't been having any problems =\ Maybe you're just not flying/fitting properly? Meanwhile, on the other side of town . . .
SheriffFruitfly Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.30 06:55:00 - [33] For people to whine about the Falcon, which while completely counterable, is the only remaining good Caldari ship. Duh. Why, what did YOU think they were for? __________________________________________________________
Smelts	Posted - 2008.11.30 07:29:00 - [34] also, do remember that missiles are the only in-game weapon that all ships can equip a perfect defense against. Load a medium or large smartbomb on your ship. With it, you can destroy ANY incoming missile salvo. We had 3 ravens, 5 kestrels, 2 stealth bombers, 2 typhoons and a caracal firing cruises,heavies, light missiles and torpedoes at ONE battlecruiser. ONE battlecruiser, a prophecy, that was fitted only with T1 resist modules, a medium armor repper, 1 medium smartbomb and a large smartbomb and 3 cap rechargers. And 1 missile launcher with defender missiles. The missiles could not get through. The pilot manually detonated the large smartbomb when the volleys got near and the medium smartbomb would catch most that the manually activated large smartbomb would miss (medium was set on auto refire). These missile boats had to break up their weapon groups so that the missiles would not fly in all in a bunch and have the ships fire at different times so that SOME missiles could get through. Firing from 30km out minimum (avg missile range engagement) with the torpedo ships a bit closer in, the large smartbomb kept stopping the majority of the missile spreads (its refire rate is better than the cruises and matches heavy missiles..plus missiles take time to fly to the target). While yes, this prophecy was just set up for this experiment, I just want to bring to your attention that ANY race battleship can easily.. EASILY, spare 1 highslot for a large smartbomb. With it, it can kill enemy drones. With it, it can stop any and all incoming missiles at him. Just.. one.. module... neutralizing all of another character's multi-million SP in missiles... that character's missile ship bonuses ... and the ships themselves for in most cases, just 1 highslot module turned their switch off.
Modahn Etch Gallente Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport	Posted - 2008.11.30 07:34:00 - [35] I just started training into Caldari and I find the Ferox, Rokh and Eagle to be immensely entertaining. I have 500SP in Missles
Aurora Nyx Caldari Semper Mortuus	Posted - 2008.11.30 07:58:00 - [36] Originally by: KingDiomedes we have been nerfed into submission, the only decent ship we have is falcon other than that we suck at pvp have no dps cant fit point or web without losing our tank so seriously whast the point in caldari, when chosing a race caldari should come with a warning - sucks at everything apart from mission running so chose another race... discuss :) I know he only said "....discuss", but still i can't believe noone has said "can i haz ur stuff".
Karille Gallente Lordless	Posted - 2008.11.30 09:35:00 - [37] Originally by: Smelts also, do remember that missiles are the only in-game weapon that all ships can equip a perfect defense against. Load a medium or large smartbomb on your ship. With it, you can destroy ANY incoming missile salvo. We had 3 ravens, 5 kestrels, 2 stealth bombers, 2 typhoons and a caracal firing cruises,heavies, light missiles and torpedoes at ONE battlecruiser. ONE battlecruiser, a prophecy, that was fitted only with T1 resist modules, a medium armor repper, 1 medium smartbomb and a large smartbomb and 3 cap rechargers. And 1 missile launcher with defender missiles. The missiles could not get through. The pilot manually detonated the large smartbomb when the volleys got near and the medium smartbomb would catch most that the manually activated large smartbomb would miss (medium was set on auto refire). These missile boats had to break up their weapon groups so that the missiles would not fly in all in a bunch and have the ships fire at different times so that SOME missiles could get through. Firing from 30km out minimum (avg missile range engagement) with the torpedo ships a bit closer in, the large smartbomb kept stopping the majority of the missile spreads (its refire rate is better than the cruises and matches heavy missiles..plus missiles take time to fly to the target). While yes, this prophecy was just set up for this experiment, I just want to bring to your attention that ANY race battleship can easily.. EASILY, spare 1 highslot for a large smartbomb. With it, it can kill enemy drones. With it, it can stop any and all incoming missiles at him. Just.. one.. module... neutralizing all of another character's multi-million SP in missiles... that character's missile ship bonuses ... and the ships themselves for in most cases, just 1 highslot module turned their switch off. I'm not sure you've ever heard of drones.
Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.30 09:39:00 - [38] Originally by: KingDiomedes we have been nerfed into submission, the only decent ship we have is falcon other than that we suck at pvp have no dps cant fit point or web without losing our tank so seriously whast the point in caldari, when chosing a race caldari should come with a warning - sucks at everything apart from mission running so chose another race... discuss :) ITT: disappointed Achura minimaxer.
Masjheira Minmatar Shadow Company Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.11.30 09:44:00 - [39] Originally by: Vaal Erit Range. You shoot at range far out of reach of all other weapon systems. Instead of putting on useless tank, you throw on ewar to further enhance your invulnerability. Get a tackler, shoot from far away and constantly align out. If you are in a long range Caldari ship and you get within 30km of the enemy, you are doing it wrong. Try doing it right. You must be doing a lot of roaming. When I fly Caldari , just as you, I ALWAYS jump throu the gate at 100K so I can align back to the gate. After that I press my pause button, dont wont those silly ceptors at the gate burn to me, so I press pause so my missles can can reach them while they stand still. Just like you... I am doing it right now , sure , am I ? ? ? On a serius note when people are so happy smacking down and call whine all the time, guess some of you in this tread that I know actually do PvP should smack less, and be constructive. As a pure matar style player I KNOW some ** is buffed and some ** is nerfed beyond. The problem is more in the fact when you choose to specialize in a field/race the nerfbat takes a ebil swing on those that put a lot of time and effort to train. It is just normal. If the nerfbat would come in a similar way to Ishtars, with a stupid thing like, can only hold 125m2 drones, there would be a lot of whine, same for Amarr if they would kill Amarr lazors even more with only adding therm OR em as only vialble dmg, not combined. Ofc there would be whine. The frase and memes as adapt and evolve are all true, but ti sure dont make stuff like this more fun anyway. I think there has been a litle to much overcompanesation in some races and to litte nerf on others, but thats the way the game rolls. But it is geting kinda boring seing the same BS¦s in a fleet, the same kind of hac¦s, and the same kind of Intys on top of ALL the different KB¦s. It is when you stop speculating, and starts looking at KB¦s the truth will set you free :) And for reference, Caldari is the most common race in eve, iirc over 50% of the player base is Caldari. /M
Sovox Amarr Smoke n Burn deadspace society	Posted - 2008.11.30 09:45:00 - [40] ive had 4 accounts active at one time cause really i couldnt make up my mind on wich race i liked best. :) Turned out i liked Amarr and Gallente the Best for me not cause of QR or anything like that, it was more along the lines of having more long term goals with those races then i did with Caldari and Minmatar. So ive tried all different types of tanking and weapons and mabey cause ive played them all till about 22 million SP's that i kinda tend to do some odd things from time to time. first of all i love alot of Caldari ships and am cross training my Amarr guy to fly them as well. Ships that come to mind are the Onyx,Cerberus,A passive Drake and the Rokh (best sniper in game IMO) As for giving up your Raven Tank with the use of your mids is complete BS first of all the Raven is an Ala-crap ship :) not a good passive tanker and not that great as active either imo.. In fact ive actually been Armor tanking with my Raven for a while now. Sure its not a armor god like a Thron or Don but it works fine for PVE and PVP, between the 5 lows and 6 meds with the 3 rig slots theres alot of combos for a good armor tanker set up (cap recharger's, multiple Reppers, Plates, DC, Armor rigs either trimarks or resist, whatever you have alot of choices.. Sure i miss stacking BCU's and still managed to get one on here and there but a torp load out is still brutal at close range even without a BCU its still pretty amazing DPS as for a cruise raven you never had any business fighting a thron up close anyway and if you use mix of light armor tank mix in with EW i dont see a problem with the Raven..
KingDiomedes Caldari Shadow Company Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.11.30 11:02:00 - [41] Ok firstly most of you guys criticising my post are probably carebear mission runners and yes i know caldari are the best at pvw blah blah but as i pvp only i am saying that caldari are the worst race possible for pvp. Yes i know ravens have a huge range and you shouldnt get in close, this makes caldari even worse. At range the raven fires a volley, it takes forever to hit the target and now when it does the damage sucks and by the time ur next volley hits the target has already repped the dmg u did in 1st volley, other race battleships can hit just as far, do more damage and still tank their in coming fire. Ok so you say that ravens are good at long range? Then whats the point in having torps? caldari ships are way to slow to keep in range of ships. Armour tanking a raven, yes u can but why should we have to? shield tanking is caldari if an armour tanked raven comes up against any of the other races who are aremour tankers its going to loose big time. All im saying is CCP should make caldari better at pvp i dont care that caldari is the best at pve so fkin what. Yes i know u can use rails on a rokh and eagle, what my gripe is that we should be told at the beginning that caldari missiles suck big time dont bother training them. The guy who said missiles should have a rof bonus rather than kinetic damage, i agree totally and thank you for your constructive comment.
Speculative Sally	Posted - 2008.11.30 11:13:00 - [42] Originally by: Montross 0 As the heavy would say, CRY SOME MORE RUN COWARDS HA HA HA HA HA
Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.30 11:14:00 - [43] Originally by: KingDiomedes Ok firstly most of you guys criticising my post are probably carebear mission runners and yes i know caldari are the best at pvw blah blah but as i pvp only i am saying that caldari are the worst race possible for pvp. Yes i know ravens have a huge range and you shouldnt get in close, this makes caldari even worse. At range the raven fires a volley, it takes forever to hit the target and now when it does the damage sucks and by the time ur next volley hits the target has already repped the dmg u did in 1st volley, other race battleships can hit just as far, do more damage and still tank their in coming fire. Ok so you say that ravens are good at long range? Then whats the point in having torps? caldari ships are way to slow to keep in range of ships. Armour tanking a raven, yes u can but why should we have to? shield tanking is caldari if an armour tanked raven comes up against any of the other races who are aremour tankers its going to loose big time. All im saying is CCP should make caldari better at pvp i dont care that caldari is the best at pve so fkin what. Yes i know u can use rails on a rokh and eagle, what my gripe is that we should be told at the beginning that caldari missiles suck big time dont bother training them. The guy who said missiles should have a rof bonus rather than kinetic damage, i agree totally and thank you for your constructive comment. Wall of whinetext strikes my ability to care for wrecking damage.
GeneralPanic Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.11.30 11:18:00 - [44] Is it bad to have the best of the recon ships? Is it bad to have the best passive tanked BC? Is it bad to have had for a very, very long time the by far superior income ship based on the Ravens? Btw, if you wanna cry, shed a tear for vagas being almost as slow as a t2 frig with an afterburner. That's kind of sad, if you are Minmatar. Still, I think most vaga pilots are adapting, despite our recon not being totally superior... Covert Ops with Signal Acq. 5 & all probes - Expl. - Elect. Warfare Frigs - Stealth Bomber - ending @20 Eve
Karille Gallente Lordless	Posted - 2008.11.30 11:23:00 - [45] Please give me an example fitting for your raven so i can better understand why you think it's so bad.
KingDiomedes Caldari Shadow Company Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.11.30 11:24:00 - [46] why would i care about the best passive tanked bc?? it has the worst dps so whats the point of sitting there taking a beating oh unless im a big fluffy carebear, did you not read my last post I pvp therfore i am so i dont care about doing missions i was talking about how bad caldari is at everything else (APART FROM EWAR)
KingDiomedes Caldari Shadow Company Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.11.30 11:28:00 - [47] Karille i take it you have never flown in a fleet in 0.0 or probably have never been as your too busy running missions and keeping your fluffy coat clean and looking nice for the male bears, if you have ever seen a fleet fit raven in a battle. Basically because the target is normally dead before your missiles hit it you have to go for the tertiary target first so you can actually hit something. now those that say blah blah the raven is for alpha dmg?? our alpha dmg now sucks and every other bs in the game hits faster and harder than the missile bs's. so what i am saying is that MISSILES suck for everything other than pve and as caldari is a missile biased race we suck !!
Adaera	Posted - 2008.11.30 11:31:00 - [48] Originally by: Vaal Erit Originally by: KingDiomedes in rl....... Yeah, all the popular video games are based on real life. ****ing idiot. This. Pretty much said it all about the OP.
Karille Gallente Lordless	Posted - 2008.11.30 11:36:00 - [49] Originally by: KingDiomedes Karille i take it you have never flown in a fleet in 0.0 or probably have never been as your too busy running missions and keeping your fluffy coat clean and looking nice for the male bears, if you have ever seen a fleet fit raven in a battle. Basically because the target is normally dead before your missiles hit it you have to go for the tertiary target first so you can actually hit something. now those that say blah blah the raven is for alpha dmg?? our alpha dmg now sucks and every other bs in the game hits faster and harder than the missile bs's. so what i am saying is that MISSILES suck for everything other than pve and as caldari is a missile biased race we suck !! Sweetheart if you want killboard stats i can point you at some. Missiles suck for fleet battles, it also happens that i hate fleet battles. Missiles are great for small gangs, i like small gangs. I'd have no problem if CCP were to double the missile speed and half the flight time so you could keep up, but missile damage is fine.
Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.30 11:41:00 - [50] Originally by: KingDiomedes Karille i take it you have never flown in a fleet in 0.0 or probably have never been as your too busy running missions and keeping your fluffy coat clean and looking nice for the male bears, if you have ever seen a fleet fit raven in a battle. Basically because the target is normally dead before your missiles hit it you have to go for the tertiary target first so you can actually hit something. now those that say blah blah the raven is for alpha dmg?? our alpha dmg now sucks and every other bs in the game hits faster and harder than the missile bs's. so what i am saying is that MISSILES suck for everything other than pve and as caldari is a missile biased race we suck !! Yeah Caldari really need a fleet-spec turret BS. What would be awesome would be if it had a huge base shield and then resist bonuses as well, so it can easily tank any flavour of doomsday, and also a range bonus good enough so that it can hit out to 180Km without a single range mod fitted. As long as I'm wishing, it should have a drone bay big enough to fit a rack of ECM drones so it can laugh off any pesky tackler that gets close.
Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.30 11:45:00 - [51] Edited by: Malcanis on 30/11/2008 11:45:20 Originally by: Karille Originally by: KingDiomedes Karille i take it you have never flown in a fleet in 0.0 or probably have never been as your too busy running missions and keeping your fluffy coat clean and looking nice for the male bears, if you have ever seen a fleet fit raven in a battle. Basically because the target is normally dead before your missiles hit it you have to go for the tertiary target first so you can actually hit something. now those that say blah blah the raven is for alpha dmg?? our alpha dmg now sucks and every other bs in the game hits faster and harder than the missile bs's. so what i am saying is that MISSILES suck for everything other than pve and as caldari is a missile biased race we suck !! Sweetheart if you want killboard stats i can point you at some. Missiles suck for fleet battles, it also happens that i hate fleet battles. Missiles are great for small gangs, i like small gangs. I'd have no problem if CCP were to double the missile speed and half the flight time so you could keep up, but missile damage is fine. Ravens in fleet battles don't shoot the primary unless it's a capital ship or unless the primary is within 50Km or so. What Ravens in fleet battles do is load up CN Paradise and make ECM ships go away.
Kioko Dal	Posted - 2008.11.30 11:47:00 - [52] Edited by: Kioko Dal on 30/11/2008 11:47:10 Originally by: Nikita Alterana Caldari: lets stick them in there for the lulz seriously though, you still have no reason to complain. So your missiles are slightly weaker. have you seen the minmatar recently? Try flying minmatar then complain about the caldari. I always wondered why I almost never see any Minmatars complaining. Then I realized that although we are rarely get the best of anything, we are very rarely get the worst of anything.
Karille Gallente Lordless	Posted - 2008.11.30 11:48:00 - [53] Originally by: Kioko Dal Edited by: Kioko Dal on 30/11/2008 11:47:10 Originally by: Nikita Alterana Caldari: lets stick them in there for the lulz seriously though, you still have no reason to complain. So your missiles are slightly weaker. have you seen the minmatar recently? Try flying minmatar then complain about the caldari. I always wondered why I almost never see any Minmatars complaining. Then I realized that although we are rarely get the best of anything, we are very rarely get the worst of anything. If you never play on easy mode you never get spoiled.
Terraform Gallente Recreation Of The World	Posted - 2008.11.30 12:05:00 - [54] Originally by: Smelts WAAAHHAAAAA WHY DONT I HAVE ANY FRIENDS???!!SOB! not going to say it...
Cairn Metalhand Swedish Aerospace Inc G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.11.30 12:12:00 - [55] Originally by: KingDiomedes we have been nerfed into submission, the only decent ship we have is falcon other than that we suck at pvp have no dps cant fit point or web without losing our tank so seriously whast the point in caldari, when chosing a race caldari should come with a warning - sucks at everything apart from mission running so chose another race... discuss :) You should have thought of that earlier.
Hyveres Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.30 13:31:00 - [56] 3 base charisma = from 0 SP in gunnery to T2 large spec in 2 months. That is the point of achura. We train faster , get +5 implants and have your learnings set properly. 3 months or so to have semieffective gunnery from 0 sp in it is better than any other race can do.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.30 13:33:00 - [57] Originally by: Khemul Zula Originally by: masternerdguy the caldari are simply better... we invented the cloak we pioneered ewar in new eden we didnt make sentient drones that spread like rabies (gallente :P ) we didnt enslave billions we pioneered warp drive we were the first to have pod technology o the list goes on How's that all going for you? Pretty well. Falcon is a prime result :). And storyline wise caldari has teh most awsome navy. Recent missile fluff ruined caldar reputation even more tho :P
Tozmeister Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.11.30 13:35:00 - [58] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: KingDiomedes Karille i take it you have never flown in a fleet in 0.0 or probably have never been as your too busy running missions and keeping your fluffy coat clean and looking nice for the male bears, if you have ever seen a fleet fit raven in a battle. Basically because the target is normally dead before your missiles hit it you have to go for the tertiary target first so you can actually hit something. now those that say blah blah the raven is for alpha dmg?? our alpha dmg now sucks and every other bs in the game hits faster and harder than the missile bs's. so what i am saying is that MISSILES suck for everything other than pve and as caldari is a missile biased race we suck !! Yeah Caldari really need a fleet-spec turret BS. What would be awesome would be if it had a huge base shield and then resist bonuses as well, so it can easily tank any flavour of doomsday, and also a range bonus good enough so that it can hit out to 180Km without a single range mod fitted. As long as I'm wishing, it should have a drone bay big enough to fit a rack of ECM drones so it can laugh off any pesky tackler that gets close. This. Especially if they could name it after.....oh, I don't know.....lets say some great bird of mythology? That would just be the icing on the cake. Maybe if we screw our eyes up and wish really, really hard we could have a cruiser sized version with those same resist and range bonuses (note the 'es' there). That would just be super. Perhaps name it after another bird of prey, just smaller and maybe real?
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.11.30 13:36:00 - [59] All this is why we train amarr and have matar alts.
Jurgen Cartis Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2008.11.30 13:41:00 - [60] Originally by: Nitakko The point of Caldari is the Achura alt with its base 3 charisma. Want. . . Achura. . . Base Stats. . . Originally by: KingDiomedes Karille i take it you have never flown in a fleet in 0.0 or probably have never been as your too busy running missions and keeping your fluffy coat clean and looking nice for the male bears, if you have ever seen a fleet fit raven in a battle. Basically because the target is normally dead before your missiles hit it you have to go for the tertiary target first so you can actually hit something. now those that say blah blah the raven is for alpha dmg?? our alpha dmg now sucks and every other bs in the game hits faster and harder than the missile bs's. so what i am saying is that MISSILES suck for everything other than pve and as caldari is a missile biased race we suck !! You're trying to use a Cruise Raven like it's a Sniper Rokh? That explains so much. . . Caldari != Missiles Only! Harpy, Eagle and Rokh are some of the finest ships in their classes, bar none. Try them!
Sicariidae Caldari Prophets Of a Damned Universe Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2008.11.30 16:02:00 - [61] Ravens in fleet battles don't shoot the primary unless it's a capital ship or unless the primary is within 50Km or so. What Ravens in fleet battles do is load up CN Paradise and make ECM ships go away. True Dat!!
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.11.30 16:15:00 - [62] You know what I do? I fly Caldari gunboats. Turns out, they're better than people think. - Captain Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Marius Nervosu Caldari Black Straw	Posted - 2008.11.30 17:00:00 - [63] The point ? Best ships for....a...it was something before the nerf. Yes....mission's/rats. No point now. Missiles are best now when you are in a ceptor...but wait...no damage ?
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.11.30 17:17:00 - [64] Caldari are fine. Been flying Caldari for nearing 4 years now, and they're pretty near the best they've ever been. Yes, that is in PvP. (PVE they're still top of the tree too). They just require a different approach to other races - treat them like the specialised fleet elements that they are, and they are particularly awesome. Get a Caldari ship to do a single job, and you've probably got the best ship at it. Try and generalise them, and shoehorn them into the 'MWD, web, point, some damage and a bit of tank' generi****that you get from other races, and they're not very good. TL;DR: Caldari do not suck at PVP, in fact I'd go as far as saying they are some of the best ships available. -- 249km locking?
NeoTheo Dark Materials	Posted - 2008.11.30 17:39:00 - [65] Originally by: KingDiomedes shoot at range?? it takes half an hour for a cruise missile to hit summat most bs can hit further than ravens now and do a hell of a lot more damge ie apoc and mega so again whats the point in caldari? i am doing fine, having said that i trained all the right skills. - DAMT - If you dont know, well, you dont know!
baltec1 R.U.S.T. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.30 17:45:00 - [66] I like caldari battleship. It lets me fly the nightmare
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council.	Posted - 2008.11.30 17:48:00 - [67] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Atm the point of caldari is to provide easy targets for other races. Too bad they don't tell this in race description, so new people contine to chose that "mighty capitalistic warrior race" and end up as cannon fodder, while providing others arguements like "caldari can't be that bad cause theres so many of them and so many can't be wrong". LOL good, they are created as fast as rabbits breed it seems could cut back on the population Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
starshipcommander Caldari Rhienland's Royal Guard and Industrial Center	Posted - 2008.11.30 20:10:00 - [68] Originally by: Abrazzar The point of Caldari is to make you cry, which obviously works perfectly fine. I call this superior game design. Caldari is basicly a race that u need to learn to use i mean others think thier races suck but to mean caldari is my favorite race. but hey this is kinda opinoins being said awesome pic
Captain Pompous	Posted - 2008.11.30 20:24:00 - [69] Originally by: KingDiomedes we have been nerfed into submission, the only decent ship we have is falcon other than that we suck at pvp have no dps cant fit point or web without losing our tank so seriously whast the point in caldari, when chosing a race caldari should come with a warning - sucks at everything apart from mission running so chose another race... discuss :) cry me a river you caldari joke
Mikhale Romanov Black Hats Delta	Posted - 2008.11.30 20:37:00 - [70] Originally by: KingDiomedes we have been nerfed into submission, the only decent ship we have is falcon other than that we suck at pvp have no dps cant fit point or web without losing our tank so seriously whast the point in caldari, when chosing a race caldari should come with a warning - sucks at everything apart from mission running so chose another race... discuss :) You are fail at caldari.. My blarpy still records kills. So does my torp Raven. ZOMG Communism!
Bartholomeus Crane Gallente The Crane Family	Posted - 2008.11.30 22:32:00 - [71] Originally by: Kioko Dal Edited by: Kioko Dal on 30/11/2008 11:47:10 Originally by: Nikita Alterana Caldari: lets stick them in there for the lulz seriously though, you still have no reason to complain. So your missiles are slightly weaker. have you seen the minmatar recently? Try flying minmatar then complain about the caldari. I always wondered why I almost never see any Minmatars complaining. Then I realized that although we are rarely get the best of anything, we are very rarely get the worst of anything. You've apparently never read SHC :) -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Bartholomeus Crane Gallente The Crane Family	Posted - 2008.11.30 22:34:00 - [72] Originally by: James Lyrus Caldari are fine. Been flying Caldari for nearing 4 years now, and they're pretty near the best they've ever been. Yes, that is in PvP. (PVE they're still top of the tree too). They just require a different approach to other races - treat them like the specialised fleet elements that they are, and they are particularly awesome. Get a Caldari ship to do a single job, and you've probably got the best ship at it. Try and generalise them, and shoehorn them into the 'MWD, web, point, some damage and a bit of tank' generi****that you get from other races, and they're not very good. TL;DR: Caldari do not suck at PVP, in fact I'd go as far as saying they are some of the best ships available. Read this poast, this man knows what he's talking about. -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.11.30 22:39:00 - [73] You people clearly just don't understand the incredibly PvP powerhouse that is Axiom Empire. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Baron Agamemnon Caldari Holy Grail Constructiion	Posted - 2008.11.30 22:44:00 - [74] Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane Originally by: James Lyrus Caldari are fine. Been flying Caldari for nearing 4 years now, and they're pretty near the best they've ever been. Yes, that is in PvP. (PVE they're still top of the tree too). They just require a different approach to other races - treat them like the specialised fleet elements that they are, and they are particularly awesome. Get a Caldari ship to do a single job, and you've probably got the best ship at it. Try and generalise them, and shoehorn them into the 'MWD, web, point, some damage and a bit of tank' generi****that you get from other races, and they're not very good. TL;DR: Caldari do not suck at PVP, in fact I'd go as far as saying they are some of the best ships available. Read this poast, this man knows what he's talking about. I agree. Caldari is very specialized, and do well at the things they do. The cruisers could need a bit of love tho, they are not that great imo.
Bartholomeus Crane Gallente The Crane Family	Posted - 2008.11.30 22:46:00 - [75] Originally by: An Anarchyyt You people clearly just don't understand the incredibly PvP powerhouse that is Axiom Empire. If this guy is any indication, I might consider moving again. What I'm wondering is how long he will actually have that alliance tag. Talk about PR trainwreck. -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
OffBeaT	Posted - 2008.12.01 02:01:00 - [76] i remember a time i was so confident in my raven i would take on 2 or more battleships + there frigs and this wasn't because i thought the raven was a better ship then others it was because i lived in my ship and i truly did. i only fly my race ships and none other so me and my raven got to know each other well.. i have been away for a bit so i gotta get back into things but i believe its not the ship but how well you know its setups and style of combat solo or fleet. the raven dose not run well so its a fighter but can be a very cunning ship as well. a lot of eve gamers are finicky about there Kilroy ships of the day then bail when times get tough in them but if you use the test server and train in your ship proper you will master it no matter what Nerf drops on your lap.. i learn too stand alone in a ship first then i try to learn how to use it with others.. i don't relay on other peoples options of setups because i learn my ship buy trial and fail.. i learn my own setups on the test servers or in the real eve doge and evade of life in eve.. its all in how you think of your ship! IMO..
BhallSpawn	Posted - 2008.12.01 02:22:00 - [77] Point of caldari? Cannon Fodder. Most popular race in the game and the weakest one in pvp by FAR.
Astro Glyde	Posted - 2008.12.01 02:32:00 - [78] What's the point of Caldari? To give the Minmatar something they can actually hit.
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.12.01 02:49:00 - [79] Edited by: Stitcher on 01/12/2008 02:56:09 23:28:46 Combat * * [*]'thunderhead'(Megathron) strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 296.1 damage. 23:28:42 Combat * *** [**]'thunderhead'(Megathron) hits you, doing 50.4 damage. Those are, respectively, his best hit and an average* hit. Name and corp ticker have been edited out to preserve what few shreds of decency the pilot in question has left. I should point out, however, that he was genuinely trying to kill me. I was flying one of these, btw. It took that mega five minutes to drop me to 33% shields, at which point I casually docked up, despite the best efforts of his neutral friends to bump me off the station. If it hadn't been for the fact that I was well aware of his small army of corpmates waiting in the next system to pounce on me the moment I aggressed, I'd have happily melted him. I'm just using this to illustrate the point that there are some things that Caldari ships do very, very well indeed. Insane tanks and ECM are two of these things. Of course, we don't care about those things do we? noo, of course, Caldari ships are nothing but missiles. - Captain Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.12.01 02:54:00 - [80] Originally by: Stitcher Of course, we don't care about those things do we? noo, of course, Caldari ships are nothing but missiles. IF YOUR FITTING WINDOW DOESN'T DISPLAY "LAUNCHER HARDPOINTS: 0" YOU'RE NOT A REAL CALDARI ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
Agro Vader	Posted - 2008.12.01 03:10:00 - [81] The impression given at character creation is that Caldari are the "military" race, which is why the majority of noobs choose them. Then they train, run missions, finally join a corp and are told their BS sucks and is not welcome in corp pvp ops. Then they quit. Who wants to start over after 3 or 4 months of time based training?
Dasalt Istgut	Posted - 2008.12.01 03:20:00 - [82] Edited by: Dasalt Istgut on 01/12/2008 03:23:52 Originally by: Stitcher You know what I do? I fly Caldari gunboats. Turns out, they're better than people think. You're a lyer. Only gunboat you've flown is the rokh and with it, you're dead bottom or almost bottom on every killmail with it. Caldari gunboats are good to people who have never flown a gallente or amarr ship I guess. In general, caldari ships are good at tanking. Take that for what it is, but in reality it just means people won't primary you. Their ECM is nice, its the only nice thing they really have - probably why all the forum whiners want to nerf it so the race will be totally worthless.
Miss Xerox	Posted - 2008.12.01 03:25:00 - [83] Caldari strong points: ... ... ... ECM? /end list.
Jesslyn Daggererux Gallente SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2008.12.01 03:44:00 - [84] Originally by: Kioko Dal Edited by: Kioko Dal on 30/11/2008 11:47:10 Originally by: Nikita Alterana Caldari: lets stick them in there for the lulz seriously though, you still have no reason to complain. So your missiles are slightly weaker. have you seen the minmatar recently? Try flying minmatar then complain about the caldari. I always wondered why I almost never see any Minmatars complaining. Then I realized that although we are rarely get the best of anything, we are very rarely get the worst of anything. i think of gallente that way, actually. you dont hear alot of whines except latly the "OMG hybrid tracking" once in awhile. i think we really are the midroad on many issues...and if you promise not to tell the devs, have the best of some classes.
Bohoba Caldari HolyKnights	Posted - 2008.12.01 03:47:00 - [85] Originally by: Abrazzar The point of Caldari is to make you cry, which obviously works perfectly fine. I call this superior game design. I lol thanks ....................... 10.5 hours a day do you have what it takes ?
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Umbra Synergy	Posted - 2008.12.01 04:18:00 - [86] this just in, the devs prefer minmatar Fallout thinks im cute! I think so anyway
Haakelen Gallente Fire Mandrill	Posted - 2008.12.01 04:19:00 - [87] Caldari have lots of points. Look on the front of the Raven, for example.
Ess Erbe Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.12.01 05:19:00 - [88] These threads suck so hard. Rokh Raven Falcon Blackbird Scorpion Rook Cerberus Eagle Nighthawk Vulture Harpy These are all excellent ships stop being useless ugh.
Tal Kjelthorne Kjelthorne Industries	Posted - 2008.12.01 05:27:00 - [89] Originally by: Karanth Amarr overcame. Caldari whine and cry like children. Amarr scare the crap out of me. That Vengeance of theirs is nigh indestructible by any other ship of it's class and I think most cruisers/BCs too. And let's not mention Jihad Swarm's Apocalypse suicide runs on Hulk Bots... To the OP, My wife's Hawk still gives me a hell of a run in my Ishkur and she's not as well trained as I am in AFs.
Artelmis	Posted - 2008.12.01 05:30:00 - [90] Originally by: James Lyrus Caldari are fine. Been flying Caldari for nearing 4 years now, and they're pretty near the best they've ever been. Yes, that is in PvP. (PVE they're still top of the tree too). They just require a different approach to other races - treat them like the specialised fleet elements that they are, and they are particularly awesome. Get a Caldari ship to do a single job, and you've probably got the best ship at it. Try and generalise them, and shoehorn them into the 'MWD, web, point, some damage and a bit of tank' generi****that you get from other races, and they're not very good. TL;DR: Caldari do not suck at PVP, in fact I'd go as far as saying they are some of the best ships available. been flyin caldari for close to a year. sure, missiles took a hit, but i havent noticed any real difference, could be cause i have the missile accuracy skills at 4 and 5. i've compared my navy apoc to my cnr and found that while lasers sound really cool when they fire, and you can hold a medium tank forever in an amarr BS, compared to the ravens cap-sheld-milk (i seriously need a name for this) style of tanking which can last forever vs medium dps but only a short while vs heavy.... the CNR performs better in missions than the faction-fit navy apoc and abaddon. thats pve. /me puts pvp hat on... caldari arent the greatest solo pvpers. i could see it in one or two different setups for a couple ships, but caldari are designed to work as a team. one webber guy, one painter guy, one scram guy, and a few pwnboats. the no-cap useage of missile launchers opens more cap for that one ewar module and still allows them to do damage. now. i love unloading triple-heatsink tachylon blasts from my geddon as much as the next guy, but caldari hold that little place in my heart for pvp cause, if properly used, a falcon pilot will make you want to just /facepalm. that said, a caracal, fitted properly, will bring most medium sized pilots to their knees. plus. what battleships does everyone want on a POS bust when the capitals are MIA? torp ravens. (go caldari) /me gets off soapbox and apologizes for his atrocious spelling
Yelan Zhou Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.01 08:04:00 - [91] Whats a Caldari ? Are Caldari those ugly guys who shoot always with firecrackers? War. War never changes.
Necrosmith Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.12.01 08:32:00 - [92] Originally by: KingDiomedes we have been nerfed into submission, the only decent ship we have is falcon other than that we suck at pvp have no dps cant fit point or web without losing our tank so seriously whast the point in caldari, when chosing a race caldari should come with a warning - sucks at everything apart from mission running so chose another race... discuss :) Let's hear it for run-on sentences! ---- For those of you who claim to support the troops and oppose national health care, I have a question. Why do you insist on punishing our veterans with free health care?
Ikonia	Posted - 2008.12.01 08:44:00 - [93] Edited by: Ikonia on 01/12/2008 08:44:23 Players always hate it, when methodes, techniques or processes in which they trust and are common to use suddenly change. This was in all other games i have been playing like that, and it won't be different here in Eve. It is obvious that most players here which are laughing about Caldaris and their complains are not aware that there might be consequences that hit us all. This shall not be a warning or something, but i remember back this years release of Age of Conan, in which the changes to the game and its balance in fact stopped the success of a game which was really great at its release. I am no Caldari. My best RL friend is Caldari and we play together. Before i start - this is not a missile-nerf-complain-posting. When QR was released i was really curious about it. I just love weapon grouping. Patch was good. What i dindt like were this "undocumented" changes, the changes posted that never came or arent working and the lot of bugs that came along with it. Scenario? Before QR: Me as Tank in an Abaddon, friend in Rattlesnake with CMs as DPS. It worked great. After QR: Caldaris are far better tanks now, but the DPS of them is really bad. On the other side i changed from a tank to a super DPS. Not that i know all and i want to convince anyone that my view is the only right or so - it is nothing more or less what i experienced and my point of view. While before the patch Frigates sometimes were annoying, after QR they are far better. Ok, i can live with it :) I really like when games become harder so it is a new challenge and thats better than doing the same all day long for years in a game. That i couldnt tank that good anymore with my BS was new for me, yes and i lost it. Np. me and my friend were a bit angry and just slipped into our new roles and changed completely the sides, now he tanks and i am the shooter. In the night from saturday to sunday a new change must have been implemented or some settings must have been changed. I do still the same dmg, but i tank as good as before. The dmg from my friend raised and he tanks better than before. We made like 8 missions and tbh, now it is more easy than before QR. Is this only my impression or did you also notice some changes. We dont PVP, we are just mission runners and we fly L4s in Amarr Empire. Not that i dislike the change but i want to find out, if this is just a random experience and nothing changed, or CCP changed the settings without telling, because of the lots of complains about the missile nerf - for my opinion the complains were absolutely right. The range and dmg change on missiles only changed vs smaller NPC vessels? How comes that Player BS are slowed down by speednerf but NPC BS are faster than before? We found Apocs of BRs flying with 180 m/s. I prefer that changes - no matter if popular or not - shall be announced. What i hate is being treated as a fool, though i am a paying customer. And sorry for my bad english, it is not my native tongue. Greets Iko -- Honker:"Damn! Ok, I'll go and loot my wife now..." -- Bearhug:"Hey all. Whatcha doin?" Steve:"licking ass in a geddon in AE4... Bearhug:"Nice typo, Steve!"
Geronimo Zorn	Posted - 2008.12.01 09:16:00 - [94] Well, Caldari may not be happy with the patch. But look at the big picture. The Metagame shifts more and more to groups. And for groups, Caldari are still ok. Get some Minmatar tackler for your Caldari gang and things are fine
Hyveres Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.01 09:22:00 - [95] Only thing they should do is make the caldari capitals railbased instead of missilebased though :) Since that is apparently our primary weapon system
Karille Gallente Cold Templars Templar Initiative	Posted - 2008.12.01 09:39:00 - [96] Or split weapon like the Nag.
Le Cardinal Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.12.01 09:45:00 - [97] I was a bit negative when the patch came, but after a battle yesterday i can now confirm that caldari still rock :d We had a heavy bs gang consisting mainly of cruisemissile ravens vs a mixed bs snipergang. After some warping back and fort we managed to lure them into a dictorbubble and warped in at closerange. The fight was fought from 10km up to 80-90km. We ripped them apart. Caldari is still equalled to other races. Adapt and learn how to fly the ships. This is coming from a caldari that pretty much always fly caldari ships these days.
Tarron Sarek Gallente Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities	Posted - 2008.12.01 11:07:00 - [98] Originally by: Crumplecorn You're ugly too. QFT
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.12.01 11:11:00 - [99] Originally by: Dasalt Istgut You're a lyer. Only gunboat you've flown is the rokh and with it, you're dead bottom or almost bottom on every killmail with it. For my time with Duty, that's probably true. It's an unfortunate consequence of only being able to use tech 1 guns. I'm kind of super-specialized in tanking right now - never put a lot of SP into weapons until recently. Fortunately for me, that'll be changing in about 48 hours.
Icutty Lotz elite spacer Corp	Posted - 2008.12.01 12:12:00 - [100] so i take it you never trained support skills for missiles? i took both a torp raven(with 5 tp drones) and cruse raven into missions and noticed nothing from pre QR. So basically all the pach has done is make the support skills needed like they are for guns
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.12.01 16:04:00 - [101] Originally by: Dasalt Istgut You're a lyer. Only gunboat you've flown is the rokh and with it, you're dead bottom or almost bottom on every killmail with it. Because a man's competence with a ship - and the quality of the ship he flies - is measured solely by how many killmails he appears on. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.01 16:12:00 - [102] Originally by: Icutty Lotz so i take it you never trained support skills for missiles? i took both a torp raven(with 5 tp drones) and cruse raven into missions and noticed nothing from pre QR. So basically all the pach has done is make the support skills needed like they are for guns
RedSplat Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.12.01 16:49:00 - [103] Is OP a troll There was even talk of French toast But there was none to be had
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2008.12.01 16:55:00 - [104] Originally by: KingDiomedes we have been nerfed into submission, the only decent ship we have is falcon other than that we suck at pvp have no dps cant fit point or web without losing our tank so seriously whast the point in caldari, when chosing a race caldari should come with a warning - sucks at everything apart from mission running so chose another race... discuss :) I am still awesome. That might just be me though.
Euriti Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.12.01 17:27:00 - [105] Edited by: Euriti on 01/12/2008 17:27:25 Originally by: KingDiomedes Karille i take it you have never flown in a fleet in 0.0 or probably have never been as your too busy running missions and keeping your fluffy coat clean and looking nice for the male bears, if you have ever seen a fleet fit raven in a battle. Basically because the target is normally dead before your missiles hit it you have to go for the tertiary target first so you can actually hit something. now those that say blah blah the raven is for alpha dmg?? our alpha dmg now sucks and every other bs in the game hits faster and harder than the missile bs's. so what i am saying is that MISSILES suck for everything other than pve and as caldari is a missile biased race we suck !! It's called a Rokh Just sayin' Also in before "BUT I WANT TO USE MY MISSILE SP". Tried using a Dominix in a fleet battle? Even worse. BUT I WANT TO USE MY DRONE SP.
Northern Fall Minmatar Guild Navy	Posted - 2008.12.01 18:23:00 - [106] Take the nerfbat like a man! Someone has sawn all my guns in half since the new update but have you noticed the amount of minmatar related whines in the forums? next to nothing! Either get a corpy with some painters or just buy some different guns
Dasalt Istgut	Posted - 2008.12.01 18:31:00 - [107] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Originally by: Dasalt Istgut You're a lyer. Only gunboat you've flown is the rokh and with it, you're dead bottom or almost bottom on every killmail with it. Because a man's competence with a ship - and the quality of the ship he flies - is measured solely by how many killmails he appears on. It is if you're going to tell me the crappy caldari failboat snipers are good. They're not. They smell of failure. Dismal, dismal failure.
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2008.12.01 18:38:00 - [108] Originally by: Northern Fall but have you noticed the amount of minmatar related whines in the forums? next to nothing! Because Minmatar still kick ass. It's just that so few people actually play it that everyone just thinks they still suck and are getting nerfed. Hell I still love my minny alt that roams lowsec missioning and PVPing making me isk and killing any amarr ship that they come across.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.12.01 19:07:00 - [109] Originally by: Dasalt Istgut It is if you're going to tell me the crappy caldari failboat snipers are good. They're not. They smell of failure. Dismal, dismal failure. I think it was at this point that we worked out that Dasalt Istgut hasn't seen a genuine PvP op in his life. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
BhallSpawn	Posted - 2008.12.01 23:36:00 - [110] I hardly call 7 volleys of cruise coming from a CNR to kill a 30k target in a mission balanced.
Isebella Ahih	Posted - 2008.12.02 00:17:00 - [111] Originally by: BhallSpawn I hardly call 7 volleys of cruise coming from a CNR to kill a 30k target in a mission balanced. You're right, That's WAY OP. A turret ship wouldn't even HIT that frigate, Guess missiles need further nerfing, Thanks for pointing that out.
BhallSpawn	Posted - 2008.12.02 00:41:00 - [112] That's funny large turrets seem to hit small targets just fine at range. or did you forget transversal? meanwhile my cruise missle hits a frigate and does almost no dmg.
Haakelen Gallente Fire Mandrill	Posted - 2008.12.02 00:44:00 - [113] Originally by: BhallSpawn That's funny large turrets seem to hit small targets just fine at range. or did you forget transversal? meanwhile my cruise missle hits a frigate and does almost no dmg. And close up, missiles will always hit, whereas turrets never will. Turrets and missiles are not the same thing. They are different. Eve is not a homogeneous blob of identical things with different names. When I made my Achura alt, I don't remember having to fail an intelligence test to roll a Caldari character.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.12.02 00:51:00 - [114] "Whats the point of caldari??" They create lots of threads whining about everything, which entertains the rest of us. Keep it up caldari <3
Dibsi Dei Salamyhkaisten kilta	Posted - 2008.12.02 00:53:00 - [115] I fly a drake and i love it. I already have plans for cerberus and nighthawk!
SirMoric Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.12.02 04:41:00 - [116] "In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didnÆt speak up because I wasnÆt a Communist; And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didnÆt speak up because I wasnÆt a trade unionist; And then they came for the Jews, And I didnÆt speak up because I wasnÆt a Jew; And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up." rgds PS: I like being Caldari.
Lurana Lay Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.02 05:41:00 - [117] The point in Caldari is flying a ship in Fleet that: no one has reps for, can't tackle and tank, or ECM and tank, or anything else and tank, is slower than everyone else, has delayed damage, gigantic sig radius, miniscule grid, microscopic drone bay, and anemic DPS on anything not tripple painted and webbed. Enjoy.
Borg Fusion SwishFusion Advanced Powered Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.02 07:12:00 - [118] The point of Caldari? EW Missiles Shields + effective ranks up = effective overall performance ***ew had to go over a complete overhaul due to some people having the ability to shut people down at any give time. Still today EW is considered a op tool. If you think caldari is nerfed, then you are either training the wrong skills or the ships are not fit for your playstyle. Corpse Collection
Subfusca	Posted - 2008.12.02 07:13:00 - [119] Originally by: Hyveres Only thing they should do is make the caldari capitals railbased instead of missilebased though :) Since that is apparently our primary weapon system Wrong. Our primary weapon systems are based around missiles, rails being a secondary for smaller ships missiles can't catch up.

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