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Lux Exterior The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.30 12:57:00 - [1] As the title suggests, why not script for range OR jam strength, this would bring it into line with all other ewar. "That which does not kill us makes us stronger" Friedrich Nietzsche
Xephys	Posted - 2008.11.30 13:11:00 - [2] This. It really does need a nerf and this could actually solve the problem. Shame it won't happen, or at least not for a long while.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.30 13:25:00 - [3] Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 30/11/2008 13:25:26 ECM needs a nerf? You are way off, and you take thing out of context. The caldari race is all about specialized ships. Caldari pure combat PvP ships are not that great, but they have excelent ewar ships. And it pretty easy to avoid ecm if you think a little about it ;)
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.11.30 13:26:00 - [4] Edited by: maralt on 30/11/2008 13:27:51 ECM and the ships that use it work well under very specific circumstances, but is paper thin in all but that circumstance. For some reason ppl seem to think this justifies a nerf. It doesn't.
Spartan dax eXceed Inc. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.30 13:29:00 - [5] Edited by: Spartan dax on 30/11/2008 13:29:05 It's already de facto scripted over 5 different modules; 4 racials and 1 multispec. Would you endorse an end to this?
Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.30 13:42:00 - [6] Originally by: Lux Exterior As the title suggests, why not script for range OR jam strength, this would bring it into line with all other ewar. Because ECM is already "hard-scripted" for race.
Raniss	Posted - 2008.11.30 13:50:00 - [7] First ecm hater in a falcon fanboi thread. Comments about caldari recons being paperthing is stupid, every recon is paperthin (falcon can fit 1600mm plate dumbasses so stop whining about paperthin argument). A recon that has to be within 50km is even more paperthin, because every single ship can fire at you at that range, whereas a falcon has its 240km range as tank. NO ****ING RECON OUT THERE HAS ANY GRID/CPU FOR A DECENT TANK.
Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.30 13:58:00 - [8] Originally by: Raniss First ecm hater in a falcon fanboi thread. Comments about caldari recons being paperthing is stupid, every recon is paperthin (falcon can fit 1600mm plate dumbasses so stop whining about paperthin argument). A recon that has to be within 50km is even more paperthin, because every single ship can fire at you at that range, whereas a falcon has its 240km range as tank. NO ****ING RECON OUT THERE HAS ANY GRID/CPU FOR A DECENT TANK. Yeah listen man you're going to really hurt your health if you keep drinking this much early in the day.
Raniss	Posted - 2008.11.30 13:59:00 - [9] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Raniss First ecm hater in a falcon fanboi thread. Comments about caldari recons being paperthing is stupid, every recon is paperthin (falcon can fit 1600mm plate dumbasses so stop whining about paperthin argument). A recon that has to be within 50km is even more paperthin, because every single ship can fire at you at that range, whereas a falcon has its 240km range as tank. NO ****ING RECON OUT THERE HAS ANY GRID/CPU FOR A DECENT TANK. Yeah listen man you're going to really hurt your health if you keep drinking this much early in the day. Way too early for yourself to put your combined troll/falconfanboi outfit on.
Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.30 14:01:00 - [10] Originally by: Raniss Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Raniss First ecm hater in a falcon fanboi thread. Comments about caldari recons being paperthing is stupid, every recon is paperthin (falcon can fit 1600mm plate dumbasses so stop whining about paperthin argument). A recon that has to be within 50km is even more paperthin, because every single ship can fire at you at that range, whereas a falcon has its 240km range as tank. NO ****ING RECON OUT THERE HAS ANY GRID/CPU FOR A DECENT TANK. Yeah listen man you're going to really hurt your health if you keep drinking this much early in the day. Way too early for yourself to put your combined troll/falconfanboi outfit on. Look you're getting angry, and you need to admit you have a problem.
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.11.30 14:05:00 - [11] Edited by: maralt on 30/11/2008 14:05:50 Originally by: Raniss First ecm hater in a falcon fanboi thread. Comments about caldari recons being paperthing is stupid, every recon is paperthin (falcon can fit 1600mm plate dumbasses so stop whining about paperthin argument). A recon that has to be within 50km is even more paperthin, because every single ship can fire at you at that range, whereas a falcon has its 240km range as tank. NO ****ING RECON OUT THERE HAS ANY GRID/CPU FOR A DECENT TANK. All the other recons have a secondary close range bonus that gives them the ability to be a close range uber pwn solo ship vs certain types of ships in the game. The falcon has only one role and its bonuses reflect that, so yea getting jammed is a annoyance but going emo about it and killing of the recon that uses it would be stupid.
Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.30 14:06:00 - [12] Originally by: maralt Edited by: maralt on 30/11/2008 14:05:50 Originally by: Raniss First ecm hater in a falcon fanboi thread. Comments about caldari recons being paperthing is stupid, every recon is paperthin (falcon can fit 1600mm plate dumbasses so stop whining about paperthin argument). A recon that has to be within 50km is even more paperthin, because every single ship can fire at you at that range, whereas a falcon has its 240km range as tank. NO ****ING RECON OUT THERE HAS ANY GRID/CPU FOR A DECENT TANK. All the other recons have a secondary close range bonus that gives them the ability to be a close range uber pwn solo ship vs certain types of ships in the game. The falcon has only one role and its bonuses reflect that, so yea getting jammed is a annoyance but going emo about it and killing of the recon that uses it would be stupid. Why state the obvious now when the falcon trolls have been ignoring it for a year?
Cpt Obviously	Posted - 2008.11.30 14:28:00 - [13] The whole purpose of ECM is actually to prevent you from locking any targets and not just make you laugh. ----------------------- It must be
Bloody Rabbit Jita Miners	Posted - 2008.11.30 15:21:00 - [14] I will be more than happy to take scripts on my Falcon and Blackbird if I get a Drone bay like the Arazu (40), Pilgrim (75), or the Rapier (40). Now you address this and I will think about supporting it, till that time STFU.
Spurty Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.30 15:28:00 - [15] drones on a ship that never needs to be within 200km of its target ? right matey, going to be very useful out at that range. ecm is only over powered in one vs gang plus ecm any other time its lame Man goes to the doc, with a strawberry growing out of his head. Doc says "I'll give you some cream to put on it."
Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.30 15:29:00 - [16] Originally by: Spurty drones on a ship that never needs to be within 200km of its target ? right matey, going to be very useful out at that range. ecm is only over powered in one vs gang plus ecm any other time its lame I hear that if you're in a 1v1, and the other guy brings a neut domi in, that you're boned.
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.11.30 15:35:00 - [17] Edited by: maralt on 30/11/2008 15:35:32 Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Spurty drones on a ship that never needs to be within 200km of its target ? right matey, going to be very useful out at that range. ecm is only over powered in one vs gang plus ecm any other time its lame I hear that if you're in a 1v1, and the other guy brings a neut domi in, that you're boned. They are wrong. A NOS domi would own a nuet domi.
Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.30 15:38:00 - [18] Originally by: maralt Edited by: maralt on 30/11/2008 15:35:32 Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Spurty drones on a ship that never needs to be within 200km of its target ? right matey, going to be very useful out at that range. ecm is only over powered in one vs gang plus ecm any other time its lame I hear that if you're in a 1v1, and the other guy brings a neut domi in, that you're boned. They are wrong. A NOS domi would own a nuet domi. A neut domi and the other ship that guy is in...?
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.11.30 15:41:00 - [19] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: maralt Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Spurty drones on a ship that never needs to be within 200km of its target ? right matey, going to be very useful out at that range. ecm is only over powered in one vs gang plus ecm any other time its lame I hear that if you're in a 1v1, and the other guy brings a neut domi in, that you're boned. They are wrong. A NOS domi would own a nuet domi. A neut domi and the other ship that guy is in...? That depends on what the other ship is of course.
Master Han The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.30 15:45:00 - [20] I like the idea of ECM getting a script. But not like you are suggesting. ECM already has good range. And it is the only type of EWar that has a module that can make it stronger. I think ECM should be changed just to 1 module. The base would be a multispectral ECM. And each script would be to make it into each type of racial ECM. So 1 module, 4 scripts. ECM fixed! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - This is not the alt your looking for...
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.11.30 15:49:00 - [21] Originally by: Master Han I think ECM should be changed just to 1 module. The base would be a multispectral ECM. And each script would be to make it into each type of racial ECM. So 1 module, 4 scripts. ECM fixed! That is quite a big buff tbh as you could just carry a bunch of each type of script and load a mid rack of multi spec's and then just load what ever script was needed depending on the type of ship im jamming. At the moment ppl need to fit a mix of jammers so they only have 1 or two of each race but with this idea they could swap out to a full rack of any race without docking.
Nicola Sardonicus	Posted - 2008.11.30 20:28:00 - [22] Originally by: maralt Originally by: Master Han I think ECM should be changed just to 1 module. The base would be a multispectral ECM. And each script would be to make it into each type of racial ECM. So 1 module, 4 scripts. ECM fixed! That is quite a big buff tbh as you could just carry a bunch of each type of script and load a mid rack of multi spec's and then just load what ever script was needed depending on the type of ship im jamming. At the moment ppl need to fit a mix of jammers so they only have 1 or two of each race but with this idea they could swap out to a full rack of any race without docking. Agreed; OP's idea of range vs. strength makes more sense. ____________________________________ War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength.
Crackzilla The Shadow Order New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.11.30 20:42:00 - [23] Originally by: Master Han I think ECM should be changed just to 1 module. The base would be a multispectral ECM. And each script would be to make it into each type of racial ECM. So 1 module, 4 scripts. ECM fixed! This would be a fairly massive ecm boost. Currently a choice is forced while fitting. Better racial jammers or a weaker multi mod. If a falcon or bb could always have the right racial jammer mix it needed then ecm would be further boosted. If ecm were to be scripted it should start with medium str and medium range. So range and strength is traded. A falcon could jam at 180km however with much reduced strength. Or jam at 50km at full strength.
Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.30 20:46:00 - [24] Originally by: maralt That depends on what the other ship is of course. Oh come on, be honest: neut domi + pretty much any non lol-ship vs 1 will always end the same way.
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.11.30 20:54:00 - [25] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: maralt That depends on what the other ship is of course. Oh come on, be honest: neut domi + pretty much any non lol-ship vs 1 will always end the same way. A second BS yes as the DPS would kill even the toughest resistance tank a single domi could fit, but a smaller class of ship added dmg could possibly be held/tanked long enough to kill it. And if it died the nuet domi would soon follow as a NOS domi can run a single rep just on the NOS and natural recharge while the nuet domi would be fully dependant on cap boosters for rep and nuet.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.11.30 21:13:00 - [26] ECM is already scripted. In fact, it's worse than scripted, as you have to fit a different module instead of just changing a script. So unless you want to boost ECM, drop the whole script idea. -----------
Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.30 21:26:00 - [27] It's worth remembering that ECM has laready been nerfed. No scripts, just nerfed. By 66%.
Vina Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.30 21:58:00 - [28] wha's funny is that all these people proposing these nerfs will never be happy. If ecm got nerfed (again) tomorrow, thye would be all YAY! but then they'd go play eve and get jammed anyway and since they can still be jammed its WTF ECM OVEPOWERED (the problem for them is that ecm exists, not that it is good/overpowered) so as long as ECM exists, there will be people whining about it. ----------------------------------- my opinion is my own.
Akat Slacker Industries	Posted - 2008.11.30 23:12:00 - [29] Edited by: Akat on 30/11/2008 23:12:47 IMO, the root of the perceived "falcon" problem is that the falcon was boosted from 10% ecm strength to 20% (same as the rook, but I don't see anyone *****ing about them). This incidentally made the rook, pretty much worthless considering the sneakiness of the falcon. Scripting "might" work, but so would reducing the ecm strength bonus for each ship. Say, 5% falcon, 10% rook or something gay like that.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.11.30 23:20:00 - [30] Put falcons back to BB levels of jam strength and it might be balanced. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Death of Virtue is Recruiting

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