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annoing Fallen Angel's	Posted - 2008.12.01 01:01:00 - [31] Originally by: Essack Leadae Runescape 1.1M My 9yr old kid play Runescape. Even he considers it a bit too childish for him and he wants to play Eve or WoW. I wont pay for WoW but i'm not sure he can handle the compexity of Eve at 9 .. mind you, I need a miner .. hmmmmmm an idea has come to mind ..........
Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.01 01:12:00 - [32] Originally by: annoing Originally by: Essack Leadae Runescape 1.1M My 9yr old kid play Runescape. Even he considers it a bit too childish for him and he wants to play Eve or WoW. I wont pay for WoW but i'm not sure he can handle the compexity of Eve at 9 .. mind you, I need a miner .. hmmmmmm an idea has come to mind .......... The sooner he starts, the sooner he'll learn.
Neesa Corrinne Rogue Shadow Squad Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.12.01 02:38:00 - [33] Honestly I prefer the population of 2005 with the game mechanics of QR.
Kessiaan Minmatar Army of One	Posted - 2008.12.01 02:41:00 - [34] Originally by: Malcanis Eve has been dying ever since I started playing. lol, I saw this thread title and thought the same thing. Lowsec and solo pvp have also been dying for a long time.
Ronha Ottrit Minmatar	Posted - 2008.12.01 03:11:00 - [35] Edited by: Ronha Ottrit on 01/12/2008 03:13:33 Edited by: Ronha Ottrit on 01/12/2008 03:13:02 Edited by: Ronha Ottrit on 01/12/2008 03:12:20 Originally by: MotherMoon also don't forget eve also has 40,000 extra trial accounts not counted towards the total. WoW has 13 million AoC has 190,000 Warhamnmer has 270,000 Final fantasy 11 has 110,000 City of heros has 60,000 EQ has 40,000 EQ2 has 38,000 Linage 1+2 have 1,000,000 players So eve is the 4th most popular mmorpg on the market, and the only one to show growth. the ONLY ONE. Where are you getting these numbers? I know for a fact FFXI recently censused around 400k subscribers.. EQ2 has atleast half a million... where are you getting these sub numbers? http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/guide/development/census/08/index.html
Shant City of Certitude Coalition of the ExtraOrdinary	Posted - 2008.12.01 09:36:00 - [36] Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane the box thingy Wait, what? /offtopic
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.12.01 09:41:00 - [37] Edited by: MotherMoon on 01/12/2008 09:42:34 Originally by: Ronha Ottrit Edited by: Ronha Ottrit on 01/12/2008 03:13:33 Edited by: Ronha Ottrit on 01/12/2008 03:13:02 Edited by: Ronha Ottrit on 01/12/2008 03:12:20 Originally by: MotherMoon also don't forget eve also has 40,000 extra trial accounts not counted towards the total. WoW has 13 million AoC has 190,000 Warhamnmer has 270,000 Final fantasy 11 has 110,000 City of heros has 60,000 EQ has 40,000 EQ2 has 38,000 Linage 1+2 have 1,000,000 players So eve is the 4th most popular mmorpg on the market, and the only one to show growth. the ONLY ONE. Where are you getting these numbers? I know for a fact FFXI recently censused around 400k subscribers.. EQ2 has atleast half a million... where are you getting these sub numbers? http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/guide/development/census/08/index.html there are more sites. also a game doesn't lost 150,000 accounts and then doesn't lose or gain any for 2-3 years, I don't buy it. but I could be wrong about FF11 /i can;t find the more resent charts, it's possible EQ2 grew, find me the info.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.12.01 09:50:00 - [38] Originally by: annoing My 9yr old kid play Runescape. Even he considers it a bit too childish for him and he wants to play Eve or WoW. I wont pay for WoW but i'm not sure he can handle the compexity of Eve at 9 .. mind you, I need a miner .. hmmmmmm an idea has come to mind .......... Yeah, why let the kid play something that could fit him nicely(WoW) due to selfish apprehensions on the game, and just make him a slave for dear ol papa My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.12.01 09:50:00 - [39] Gah... we're up to 42,000+ now? More people need to quit, get it back down to the quiet 20k it was when i joined ------------ Originally by: Nexus Kinnon I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>
Erdiere Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.12.01 09:54:00 - [40] Originally by: annoing My 9yr old kid play Runescape. Even he considers it a bit too childish for him and he wants to play Eve or WoW. I wont pay for WoW but i'm not sure he can handle the compexity of Eve at 9 .. mind you, I need a miner .. hmmmmmm an idea has come to mind .......... ET voice activated Start popping roids!! ET voice deactivated

Alt MKII Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.01 09:57:00 - [41] 250,000 paying accounts. Peaks around 40ish thousands. Taking into consideration weekend warriors, casual/hardocore players and alt-R-us players, makes you wonder what is the actual number of real persons playing this game. With the number of multiple accounts going, I wouldn't be surprised that the real number is half that.
Shant City of Certitude Coalition of the ExtraOrdinary	Posted - 2008.12.01 10:05:00 - [42] C'mon, what's this, uh, "box thingy"?
Cairn Metalhand Swedish Aerospace Inc G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.12.01 10:21:00 - [43] Wait til after ambulation? I bet lots of people will be joining just because the haxxorz leet graphics that doublessly will be on adds everywhere, just like the ship graphics is on adds everywhere now.
Bartholomeus Crane Gallente The Crane Family	Posted - 2008.12.01 10:30:00 - [44] Originally by: Shant C'mon, what's this, uh, "box thingy"? EVE'll be available in retail stores soon through Atari, hence, EVE in a box. It may open up some new markets for EVE, people who otherwise would not buy the game. How much the effect of this will be is (to me) unclear, given the large number of TV spots and all, but it's bound to have some effect. -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Karille Gallente Cold Templars Templar Initiative	Posted - 2008.12.01 10:32:00 - [45] Originally by: Shant C'mon, what's this, uh, "box thingy"? 1. Cut a hole in a box. 2. Put your EVE in that box 3. ??? 4. Hope your PR department doesn't suck.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.12.01 10:41:00 - [46] Originally by: Alt MKII 250,000 paying accounts. Peaks around 40ish thousands. Taking into consideration weekend warriors, casual/hardocore players and alt-R-us players, makes you wonder what is the actual number of real persons playing this game. With the number of multiple accounts going, I wouldn't be surprised that the real number is half that. honestly it's the same with every mmorpg though, so really it's just nerds trying to make the make the whole market look mainstream :P
Shant City of Certitude Coalition of the ExtraOrdinary	Posted - 2008.12.01 10:59:00 - [47] Edited by: Shant on 01/12/2008 11:02:18 Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane Originally by: Shant C'mon, what's this, uh, "box thingy"? EVE'll be available in retail stores soon through Atari, hence, EVE in a box. It may open up some new markets for EVE, people who otherwise would not buy the game. How much the effect of this will be is (to me) unclear, given the large number of TV spots and all, but it's bound to have some effect. Copy. I thought for a moment it might be the (semi-? un-?)official Eve-Wiki that will be integrated into the igb, which was mentioned somewhere. Not that much of an expansion feature to go tooting about if that would've been the case. edit Yeah Eve in a box will bring nubs to New Eden, people like to touch and feel products in a store and also it will tap the impulse buy facet Ok, now, /offtopic
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.12.01 11:02:00 - [48] Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane EVE'll be available AGAIN in retail stores Fixed that hugs his own box My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Shant City of Certitude Coalition of the ExtraOrdinary	Posted - 2008.12.01 11:04:00 - [49] Edited by: Shant on 01/12/2008 11:05:05 Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane EVE'll be available AGAIN in retail stores Fixed that hugs his own box Ebayer detected edit /derail lol
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.12.01 11:05:00 - [50] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 01/12/2008 11:05:03 Originally by: Shant Ebayer detected 2003 person who bought his EVE in store detected you mean I also own an anarchy online box... My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.

Shant City of Certitude Coalition of the ExtraOrdinary	Posted - 2008.12.01 11:07:00 - [51] Edited by: Shant on 01/12/2008 11:08:43 Edited by: Shant on 01/12/2008 11:08:26 Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 01/12/2008 11:05:03 Originally by: Shant Ebayer detected 2003 person who bought his EVE in store detected you mean I also own an anarchy online box... Yeah I'm not being serious, doesn't happen that much in threads where you appear after the incident where the devs put up your grandma for sale along with some Eve stuff edit frickin spelling
Kessiaan Minmatar Army of One	Posted - 2008.12.01 11:25:00 - [52] Originally by: Ronha Ottrit Originally by: MotherMoon also don't forget eve also has 40,000 extra trial accounts not counted towards the total. WoW has 13 million AoC has 190,000 Warhamnmer has 270,000 Final fantasy 11 has 110,000 City of heros has 60,000 EQ has 40,000 EQ2 has 38,000 Linage 1+2 have 1,000,000 players So eve is the 4th most popular mmorpg on the market, and the only one to show growth. the ONLY ONE. Where are you getting these numbers? I know for a fact FFXI recently censused around 400k subscribers.. EQ2 has atleast half a million... where are you getting these sub numbers? http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/guide/development/census/08/index.html Yes, but do all those accounts play on the same server? I don't really understand why people throw around huge sub numbers like they're some kind of fun metric, when you can actually only interact with a tiny fraction of that, perhaps a few thousand.
Guttripper State War Academy	Posted - 2008.12.01 12:30:00 - [53] Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane On the other hand, older players are more demanding (they have other things to do) and are less easy to please, and are more sceptical. So they may stick around longer for the features that they want, but there is a threshold beyond they will simply leave when they think they aren't taken seriously. I agree and disagree with this point. Older players are more demanding of quality content, not quantity. Yes, they have less time to invest than their younger counterparts, but part of the appeal of Eve is the slow advancement without requiring that time investment. Without being too stereotypical, how many threads have been created demanding the Learning skill tree ("...give us +10 stats...") to the missile debate especially among Achura pilots do you feel were created by and supported by older players? To me, it seems the younger crowd, those spoiled by instant gratification from other online games, are seeking quantity to zerg rush through just to claim "first!" And since Eve is dying, what happened to all those open threats that since CCP took away the players' (God given) right to ghost train, they and their friends are taking their two dozen plus accounts to other games? Surely the charts should have presented a huge drop in subscribers, no? Would you claim that an older player, more likely holding a stable income, would react in such a fashion? Are older players more susceptible to "emorage" when they feel they are not taken seriously? I could be wrong; but I feel older players are demanding of quality, not quantity. They will allow more time to pass, and if presented with issues, are more prone to be civil about the matter. Of course, there are always exceptions on both sides of the age brackets.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.12.01 12:35:00 - [54] Every day is one day closer to EVE's last day. - DesuSigs
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2008.12.01 13:03:00 - [55] EVE does not get new accounts. It's either A.) Current player wants to do this and it takes 5 months to train into specialization. Well it's not needed on my main I'll just get an alt. or B.) 14 days have passed and the ISK sellers need new accounts so they can spam the rookie channel with their deals. That is all it is and ever will be now.
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.12.01 13:12:00 - [56] How about what happened with the GTC? And I don't think CCP would give us the numbers on that I suppose.
Frida Frogger	Posted - 2008.12.01 13:34:00 - [57] Edited by: Frida Frogger on 01/12/2008 13:35:23 We need to get something new. We need to get down on a planet, build a house, and skip around like some character in WoW with a flashy smurfblaster. :) Ahem! srsly... There can be new game rules on planets etc. I prefer no 1st person combat system , but invasions possible. Nuking armies of boarding troopers where players can ship troopers or shoot with guns on planet :D Maybe more sieges? we got some siege system already but its not much used or what?
Hopey Gallente L.O.S.T. Industries	Posted - 2008.12.01 14:28:00 - [58] Originally by: Frida Frogger Edited by: Frida Frogger on 01/12/2008 13:35:23 We need to get something new. We need to get down on a planet, build a house, and skip around like some character in WoW with a flashy smurfblaster. :) Ahem! srsly... There can be new game rules on planets etc. I prefer no 1st person combat system , but invasions possible. Nuking armies of boarding troopers where players can ship troopers or shoot with guns on planet :D Maybe more sieges? we got some siege system already but its not much used or what? they have already said a lot of this will be on the table after ambulation. \|~~~~~~~~~~~\| Hopey CEO & Founder, L.O.S.T. Industries \|~~~~\|
Frida Frogger	Posted - 2008.12.01 14:34:00 - [59] Quote: they have already said a lot of this will be on the table after ambulation. Yay!!! Sounds great I hope it will turn out so people can do pve/pvp related stuff within it. That means combining pvp and pve so pve-minded people also will have to pvp to survive. btw i like both aspects of a game
Bartholomeus Crane Gallente The Crane Family	Posted - 2008.12.02 12:28:00 - [60] Originally by: Guttripper I agree and disagree with this point. Older players are more demanding of quality content, not quantity. Yes, they have less time to invest than their younger counterparts, but part of the appeal of Eve is the slow advancement without requiring that time investment. Without being too stereotypical, how many threads have been created demanding the Learning skill tree ("...give us +10 stats...") to the missile debate especially among Achura pilots do you feel were created by and supported by older players? To me, it seems the younger crowd, those spoiled by instant gratification from other online games, are seeking quantity to zerg rush through just to claim "first!" And since Eve is dying, what happened to all those open threats that since CCP took away the players' (God given) right to ghost train, they and their friends are taking their two dozen plus accounts to other games? Surely the charts should have presented a huge drop in subscribers, no? Would you claim that an older player, more likely holding a stable income, would react in such a fashion? Are older players more susceptible to "emorage" when they feel they are not taken seriously? I could be wrong; but I feel older players are demanding of quality, not quantity. They will allow more time to pass, and if presented with issues, are more prone to be civil about the matter. Of course, there are always exceptions on both sides of the age brackets. Just a couple remarks. First, the posters on this forum do not represent the playerbase. I used to be in a corps with a lot of older players. Even older than I am. None of them posted on the forums. They had neither the time nor the inclination to do so. Second, the learning skill issue is an abomination, most players agree, and CCP agrees as well. On the other hand, there is now no fair way to get rid of it. Third, what happened after the ghost-training thing is that a lot of players probably contracted their number of subscriptions, putting their trained up alts on one subscription. The probably play those alts the same amount of time as before. The players on server metric doesn't measure that. Most of the emoragequiters never really did any quitting anyway, and again, these were forum actives, which do not represent the playerbase. But without an active subscriber graph, we'll never know if this had an effect. I agree though that older players demand quality over quantity and are more civil over changes. That doesn't reduce the fact that EVE's gameplay has gone a bit stale. T3 and WiS will probably change that, but there are other things out there that need to be addressed as well, Sovereignty, POS warfare, NPC AI. These have been long overdue for change as well. -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?



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