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Miss Kittie	Posted - 2008.12.01 13:00:00 - [1] Im able to fly these awesome ships now =D but i actually need some advice how to fit those babies. So what you do veteran mission runners rolling with these ships.
Robert Rumpletweezer Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.12.01 13:18:00 - [2] Paladin works well with: 1x DB/TS/AN LAR 3-4x Rat Specific Hardeners 2-3x Heat Sinks 3x CR II 1x Tracking Comp II 4x Tachyon IIs 3x w/e 2x CCC Rigs Permaruns, does excellant DPS up to locking range and tanks enough for any mission.
FT Diomedes Gallente Ductus Exemplo	Posted - 2008.12.01 14:09:00 - [3] My Paladin setup is substantially the same as the above poster. I like this NH setup: [Nighthawk, L's Nighthawk - Kin/Therm copy 3] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heat Dissipation Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Invulnerability Field II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Drone Link Augmentor I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Hobgoblin II x5 ------------ Improvize. Adapt. Overcome.
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2008.12.01 14:29:00 - [4] I use an active tanking NH - use two small pithi-B boosters. _______________ Pwett Founder <Q> QUANT Hegemony
Rip Striker	Posted - 2008.12.01 16:52:00 - [5] There is only one way to fit a mission Nighthawk, HIGS: 6x HMLII (fury ammo) MEDS: 2x Small Pithi B Shield Booster, 2x Shield Hardeners, 1x Large Cap Battery II LOWS: 4x CN BCS, 1x PDS II RIGS: 2x Rigor (or Flare if you want to be able to use HAMS now and then for PvP) This is a permatank and 550-650 DPS (not including drones) set-up. It ****ing rules! Fly safe
Spider Silva	Posted - 2008.12.01 17:04:00 - [6] Will the resists be good enough with only 2 hardeners? Id like to swap that cap battery for a faction or tech 2 invul field for when i get my NH
Rip Striker	Posted - 2008.12.01 17:17:00 - [7] Originally by: Spider Silva Will the resists be good enough with only 2 hardeners? Id like to swap that cap battery for a faction or tech 2 invul field for when i get my NH I can imagine you are afraid to lose your NH, but that is probably because you run a passive setup with medium DPS. Personally, i have yet to encounter a mission that ****s up the perma-tank. More importantly, the reason for this is that the high dps just melt everything before it even starts to show on your shield-o-meter Just go: Guristas, EoM, Serpentis - 2 kinetic hardeners Sansha, Blood - 2 em hardeners Angel - 2 explosive or 1 explosive/invul Others - 1 kinetic + 1 invul TRUST ME! Also, check this out
Doctor Cow	Posted - 2008.12.01 18:26:00 - [8] Originally by: Rip Striker There is only one way to fit a mission Nighthawk, HIGS: 6x HMLII (fury ammo) MEDS: 2x Small Pithi B Shield Booster, 2x Shield Hardeners, 1x Large Cap Battery II LOWS: 4x CN BCS, 1x PDS II RIGS: 2x Rigor (or Flare if you want to be able to use HAMS now and then for PvP) This is a permatank and 550-650 DPS (not including drones) set-up. It ****ing rules! Fly safe :o looks interesting. already have 2 of those boosters sweet. Only wondering though is that battery purely to make it cap stable? also checked the link of yours... I got max shield skills and missile skills besides lvl5 HML spec. ( wich will be lvl 5 someday ) and also max cap skills. but not a single missile implants like you do atm ( saving LP for it ). those 4 CN bcs is also fine with T2 i presume since well not that rich right now to buy those
Miss Kittie	Posted - 2008.12.01 18:26:00 - [9] and that was my ****ty alt
Rip Striker	Posted - 2008.12.01 20:38:00 - [10] Edited by: Rip Striker on 01/12/2008 20:45:19 Originally by: Doctor Cow :o looks interesting. already have 2 of those boosters sweet. Only wondering though is that battery purely to make it cap stable? Yes (my cap skills suck, so it might be possible to go without one if you have maxed cap skills) Originally by: Doctor Cow those 4 CN bcs is also fine with T2 i presume since well not that rich right now to buy those Unfortunately not, CN BCS cost 24 CPU while the T2 version cost 40 CPU. You wont be able to fit more than 2 (perhaps 3 if you have a cpu implant). Well worth the investment if you dont plan to get ganked. EDIT: Forgot to mention i use a dronelink too
BuckStrider Fleem Co	Posted - 2008.12.01 21:51:00 - [11] My setup is as follows Hi- 5x HMLII Mid- 1x LSEII...1x InvII....3x [insert hardners here] Low- 2x BCSII...3x SPRII Drones- 5x Light [race specific] Rigs- 2x Core Defence Field Purger
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.12.01 22:13:00 - [12] Edited by: Andrue on 01/12/2008 22:17:47 Actually the classic Nighthawk setup is for passive tank: 2xLSEII;SRA;2xHardener or if you use CN launchers 3xLSEII;2xHardener This setup in conjunction with purgers also lets you fit 4xBCS and gives plenty of damage. You could probably go for output rigs rather than defense rigs but I prefer security over speed as do a lot of NH pilots. My NH has around 17,000 HP of shield and a recharge time of 324 seconds. That's peak DPS of over 130hp/s with typically 90% primary resist and over 80% secondary. That's equivalent to 1300HP/s on the primary. But either way is good. As long as you go for perma-tank you're using the NH the right way. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Rip Striker	Posted - 2008.12.02 06:03:00 - [13] Edited by: Rip Striker on 02/12/2008 06:04:37 Originally by: Andrue My NH has around 17,000 HP of shield and a recharge time of 324 seconds. Please show me your setup. I have a hard time believing that you can get 17k shield points, recharge of 324s, AND mounting 4 ballistic controls at the same time... But as you said, there is only one way of using your NH..."max" gank and permatank. Though, in order to have "max" gank and good permatank you really need an active setup.
Joe Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.	Posted - 2008.12.02 06:29:00 - [14] I currently Enjoy Flying with: Hi Slots 4 x Beam II 2x Salvager 1x Tractor beam Mid Slots 1x Web 3 x cap II Low Slots 2x LAR II 2x EANM/Mission Specific Hardeners 2x Heatsink II 1x Power Diagnostic II Rigs 2x ccc 1s Hogoblin IIs + HammerHead IIs etc. ITS SO CHEAP, ZOMG ♥ IT Seriously, dont bother With faction mods, spend the Isk on a Second ship
Bloody Rabbit Jita Miners	Posted - 2008.12.02 07:00:00 - [15] Originally by: Rip Striker Personally, i have yet to encounter a mission that ****s up the perma-tank. More importantly, the reason for this is that the high dps just melt everything before it even starts to show on your shield-o-meter I have, I think it had 12 BS drones and 2 Neut 3 towers and 10 cruise batterys. It makes you cry to see all that DPS coming at you. But I see you are talking about a T2 BS and a Nighthawk so I'm thinking you are running level 5's? If so you have to go 100% passive or you will need to have a BS logistics to keep you up with energy and repairs. I use a Golem and Nighthawk with the hawk taking all the DPS the Golem with 2 T2 shield transfers to keep it up. Works well for me and I finish out in an hour with those two accounts, faster with corp mates. Torp doesn't work too well for me so I use Cruise for the Golem.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.12.02 07:53:00 - [16] Edited by: Andrue on 02/12/2008 07:53:59 Originally by: Rip Striker Edited by: Rip Striker on 02/12/2008 06:04:37 Originally by: Andrue My NH has around 17,000 HP of shield and a recharge time of 324 seconds. Please show me your setup. I have a hard time believing that you can get 17k shield points, recharge of 324s, AND mounting 4 ballistic controls at the same time... But as you said, there is only one way of using your NH..."max" gank and permatank. Though, in order to have "max" gank and good permatank you really need an active setup. I'm not in a position to log on right now but: Mids:3xLSEII;DGI;<some named hardener> Lows:4xBCS;1xSPR Rigs:2xPurger IIs. ..at least one hardwiring I think. ..and every skill maxed out. Tbh I normally only fly with 3 BCS. The fourth doesn't make enough of a difference to matter. I'd rather have the security of the unbreakable tank. My fit is pretty much maxed pimp (although no officer items), I'll concede that much. My main objection though is the assertion that 'There's only one way to fit a NH and it's active'. That's bull. I reckon most Nighthawks are fitted passive or at least semi-passive. To me if you're going for gank you'd be better off with a Golem. Traditionally he NH is all about survivability rather than mission running speed. Now QR might have changed that but I doubt it. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Cfiloruz Xilocient Amarr Elderan Shipyards SOLAR FLEET	Posted - 2008.12.02 08:12:00 - [17] Originally by: Joe Seriously, dont bother With faction mods, spend the Isk on a Second ship firstly. good to see Joe quiting dual rep dual SB permarunning wises... (could not resist) secondly. Tracking computers for paladin tachyon fits are awsome. SS TC for example does the trick (or 2 of them with tracking speed script)... faction mods actually are lovely (in my humble opinion) What i fly is: 4x tach modulated 2x salvager 1x tracktor Meds SS tracking comp (tracking speed) 3x cap recharger lows AN LAR 3x resists (2x eanm 1x specific mostly) 3x amarr navy heatsink Rigs Nano pump I ccc I floats just fine in its awsomeness... :P Low skills and high standing IS a problem.
Rip Striker	Posted - 2008.12.02 12:44:00 - [18] Originally by: Andrue ... 'There's only one way to fit a NH and it's active'. That's bull. I reckon most Nighthawks are fitted passive or at least semi-passive. To me if you're going for gank you'd be better off with a Golem. Traditionally he NH is all about survivability rather than mission running speed. Now QR might have changed that but I doubt it. If you bare with me I'll show why it is not bull that an active tank gives best tank and gank. An active setup allows you to use the rigs specifically for gank (rigor/flare) in combination with fury ammo. Passive setup requires you to spend those 2 valuable rig slots for tank, i.e. most likely purgers, and forces you to use regular ammo instead of T2 fury. Active setup: 4x CN BCS 6x HML II (scourge fury ammo) 2x Rigor/Flare rigs All skills level 5, this gives a dps of 596 (kinetic and without drones) Passive setup: 3x CN BCS 6x HML II (regular scourge ammo) All skills level 5, this gives a dps of 436 (kinetic and without drones) Active setup gives you 37% more DPS (adding drones lowers the dps increase to 30%). In my oppinion, 30-37% increase in DPS is nothing a mission runner should dismiss by saying "well, active setup being best is bull, passive works just as fine" just because everyone else is saying it. Clearly, active setup superseeds passive by far when it comes to gank. How about the tank? Active 2x Small pithi-b shield booster 2x shield hardeners T2 or Navy 1x power diagnostic T2 Shield regen is 65/s constantly, resists are between 75 and 93. Passive 3x Large shield extender T2 2x Shield power relays T2 2x Shield hardeners 2x Purger rigs T2 Shield regen is 102/s peak, resists are between 75 and 93. I would take 65/s constant regen rather than 102/s peak regen anytime during the day when it comes to level 4 missions. Running level 5s is a completely different story and should be treated as such. So, as you clearly see, active setups are not bull. The active setup shines brightly in respect to gank and tank, while the passive setup merely glows. ...though it is all up to you, i'm just presenting the facts. If you want a passive setup, sure, go with it.
Rip Striker	Posted - 2008.12.02 12:48:00 - [19] Originally by: Andrue To me if you're going for gank you'd be better off with a Golem. Traditionally he NH is all about survivability rather than mission running speed. Now QR might have changed that but I doubt it. Yes, QR has changed this. Check this out. And yes, an active setup Nighthawk outperforms the Golem in some missions and even the CNR. Fly safe
Aioa Planetary Assault Systems	Posted - 2008.12.02 14:42:00 - [20] Rip, what's your range on the furies? --
Rip Striker	Posted - 2008.12.02 15:43:00 - [21] 73 km, still have the missile velocity to max out (currently at level 4).
Miss Kittie	Posted - 2008.12.02 16:20:00 - [22] thanks for the NH fittings. Im tested the active tank and it could substain it for +/- 25min without the battery wich was replaced by a T2 invul. Should able to last longer with another specific hardner. Will see how it will go in missions. About the qeustion if im running lvl5's no. Im running lvl4 and for the moment got no intention of going for lvl5. Yes i know a nighthawk + paladin is kinda overkill + a abbadon ( lil bro tagging along sometimes ) but thats just how i play =). It seems Pally ( WoW? ) fit is kinda all the same with Tachs II and a single AN LAR. Is it worth it to spend the isk for faction Tachs?
Weeka Amarr Tetragrammaton	Posted - 2008.12.02 16:37:00 - [23] Originally by: Miss Kittie Is it worth it to spend the isk for faction Tachs? If you can't use T2 Tachs, yes, it is. Easier on the cap too.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.12.02 17:03:00 - [24] Edited by: Andrue on 02/12/2008 17:04:41 Originally by: Rip Striker Edited by: Rip Striker on 02/12/2008 12:58:58 Originally by: Andrue ... 'There's only one way to fit a NH and it's active'. That's bull. I reckon most Nighthawks are fitted passive or at least semi-passive. To me if you're going for gank you'd be better off with a Golem. Traditionally he NH is all about survivability rather than mission running speed. Now QR might have changed that but I doubt it. If you bare with me I'll show why it is not bull that an active tank gives best tank and gank. Don't bother. That's not what I said I objected to. Try reading my post again - more carefully this time. What I objected to was your assertion that the only way to fit out a Nighthawk is with an active tank. It's a silly thing to say since anyone that knows anything about Command Ships (and the NH in particular) ought to know that passive tanks are a perfectly adequate and roughly equivalent choice. There's more than one way to do most things in Eve so claiming otherwise is poor advice. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Rip Striker	Posted - 2008.12.02 17:16:00 - [25] Originally by: Andrue ... Don't bother. ... Your loss.

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