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Broc Vallion
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Posted - 2004.07.13 12:45:00 -
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 Originally by: walkingdeath
well ore thifs are a pain when you 1st start.
I tell you what happened to me 1st week got an frig and hauler, so i stated to can mine ore theif came and stoll my can.
Its real nice to steal from a noob not in any player corp. makes it hard to make money,
(theif was in an intron V so it wasnt a noob stealing from a noob)
So i say that is lame!!!!
So i get mad and log off come back on later because i want to get the cash for a cruser and the skills needed to fly one (ie cruser skill 500000 isk ans ship 2-6 mill lot of ore with frig and time)
Any way to the point i find a nice belt with good patch of scord start mining and 5 or 6 BS and 2 haulers jump in and stip mine the belt they go from belt to belt. thats lame with a group like that you should be in space lower than .9 i would say .5 or below
after i got my thorax I mined in .8 to .4 depending on the ore i needed for items or what was selling good.
soon to have a bs finnaly mined all the ore needed to build it.
so all in all if thiefs go after bs groups strip mining i dont have a problem with that.
but they dont they seem to pick on the noobs that dont know about ramming to keep ore thiefs from getting to can easy and keeping them from jumping out easy.
As for corps strip mining .9 and up well you are just as bad as ore thifes go to lower space the rats in .5 .6 .7 you can take out easy with drones its just plain lame to do that.
to ore thiefs and strip mining opts why not leave .9 and up alone so noobs have a chance.
(ie: I almost said to hell with this game due to thing like that going on in .9 and 1.0 space )
Join a corp......if you want to go solo fine, do it after you've joined a corp.....the corp will get you in a cruiser fast then you can pay them back and leave
As a new player you cant expect to be totally safe from the rest of Eve.......
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Broc Vallion
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Posted - 2004.07.13 12:45:00 -
[32]
Originally by: walkingdeath
well ore thifs are a pain when you 1st start.
I tell you what happened to me 1st week got an frig and hauler, so i stated to can mine ore theif came and stoll my can.
Its real nice to steal from a noob not in any player corp. makes it hard to make money,
(theif was in an intron V so it wasnt a noob stealing from a noob)
So i say that is lame!!!!
So i get mad and log off come back on later because i want to get the cash for a cruser and the skills needed to fly one (ie cruser skill 500000 isk ans ship 2-6 mill lot of ore with frig and time)
Any way to the point i find a nice belt with good patch of scord start mining and 5 or 6 BS and 2 haulers jump in and stip mine the belt they go from belt to belt. thats lame with a group like that you should be in space lower than .9 i would say .5 or below
after i got my thorax I mined in .8 to .4 depending on the ore i needed for items or what was selling good.
soon to have a bs finnaly mined all the ore needed to build it.
so all in all if thiefs go after bs groups strip mining i dont have a problem with that.
but they dont they seem to pick on the noobs that dont know about ramming to keep ore thiefs from getting to can easy and keeping them from jumping out easy.
As for corps strip mining .9 and up well you are just as bad as ore thifes go to lower space the rats in .5 .6 .7 you can take out easy with drones its just plain lame to do that.
to ore thiefs and strip mining opts why not leave .9 and up alone so noobs have a chance.
(ie: I almost said to hell with this game due to thing like that going on in .9 and 1.0 space )
Join a corp......if you want to go solo fine, do it after you've joined a corp.....the corp will get you in a cruiser fast then you can pay them back and leave
As a new player you cant expect to be totally safe from the rest of Eve.......
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Fetty Chico
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Posted - 2004.07.13 13:11:00 -
[33]
same arguement again
Miners= Dont worry, if crimal flaggen works work (Im doubtn that for the first week though) you an dem ore thieves can fight ova rocks till the Eve gate stablizes an the Earthers invade
Ore Theives= while what ya do is legal game wise, dont try fo the "We've noble in that we give risk to something that has no risk" your scum, admitt it, dere aint no shame in in, but ya is scum, and what you do currently *gasp* aint got no risk. So Miners, cut ya rocks, Ore thieves, steal dem rocks, and both of ya, just wait for crim flaggin
cause i wanna see if the theives make a combat indy
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Tell my tale to those who ask.
Tell it truly - the ill deeds, along with the good - and let me be judged accordingly.
If this world was supposed to be friendly
CCP wouldnt have wasted time paying the devs to code so many weapons |
Fetty Chico
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Posted - 2004.07.13 13:11:00 -
[34]
same arguement again
Miners= Dont worry, if crimal flaggen works work (Im doubtn that for the first week though) you an dem ore thieves can fight ova rocks till the Eve gate stablizes an the Earthers invade
Ore Theives= while what ya do is legal game wise, dont try fo the "We've noble in that we give risk to something that has no risk" your scum, admitt it, dere aint no shame in in, but ya is scum, and what you do currently *gasp* aint got no risk. So Miners, cut ya rocks, Ore thieves, steal dem rocks, and both of ya, just wait for crim flaggin
cause i wanna see if the theives make a combat indy
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Tell my tale to those who ask.
Tell it truly - the ill deeds, along with the good - and let me be judged accordingly.
If this world was supposed to be friendly
CCP wouldnt have wasted time paying the devs to code so many weapons |
Attrael
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Posted - 2004.07.13 14:40:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Attrael on 13/07/2004 14:41:56
Originally by: Viceroy
*yawn*
Here's a better idea; Use secure cans.
I have a much better idea.
1. Locate Viceroy, pop him repeatedly until he can't afford clones any'moo're.
2. Pop him until he only has 65,000 skillpoints left.
3. Tattoo your name in Viceroy's forehead so he will never forget who humiliated him.
4. Point and laugh at Viceroy.
5. Kick Viceroy in the behind and tell him to get 'moo'ving back to 1.0 sec territory.
6. Force Viceroy to mine veldspar in an Ibis for the rest of his life.
7. Attempt to breed Sally of Corp 1 and Viceroy to produce a 'moo're efficient mining 'drone'.
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Attrael
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Posted - 2004.07.13 14:40:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Attrael on 13/07/2004 14:41:56
Originally by: Viceroy
*yawn*
Here's a better idea; Use secure cans.
I have a much better idea.
1. Locate Viceroy, pop him repeatedly until he can't afford clones any'moo're.
2. Pop him until he only has 65,000 skillpoints left.
3. Tattoo your name in Viceroy's forehead so he will never forget who humiliated him.
4. Point and laugh at Viceroy.
5. Kick Viceroy in the behind and tell him to get 'moo'ving back to 1.0 sec territory.
6. Force Viceroy to mine veldspar in an Ibis for the rest of his life.
7. Attempt to breed Sally of Corp 1 and Viceroy to produce a 'moo're efficient mining 'drone'.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.13 14:56:00 -
[37]
You're so funny.
Really.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.13 14:56:00 -
[38]
You're so funny.
Really.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.13 14:58:00 -
[39]
talk about personal vendetta, some people.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.13 14:58:00 -
[40]
talk about personal vendetta, some people.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
eddie valvetino
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Posted - 2004.07.13 15:16:00 -
[41]
Edited by: eddie valvetino on 13/07/2004 15:20:15
Have a long memory.
you'll get your chance
p.s. I mine into a jet can all the time, it pays better in the long term, ore theives or not.
Viceroy is right if you wanna mine into a can with ne fear of Ore Theif, get a secure can or several secure cans. Arrange a hauler and pay him well.
Don't be so greedy!!!!
(\_/)
(O.o)
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eddie valvetino
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Posted - 2004.07.13 15:16:00 -
[42]
Edited by: eddie valvetino on 13/07/2004 15:20:15
Have a long memory.
you'll get your chance
p.s. I mine into a jet can all the time, it pays better in the long term, ore theives or not.
Viceroy is right if you wanna mine into a can with ne fear of Ore Theif, get a secure can or several secure cans. Arrange a hauler and pay him well.
Don't be so greedy!!!!
(\_/)
(O.o)
(> <) |
Bobbeh
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Posted - 2004.07.13 15:21:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Viceroy
Originally by: Adriana
First of all read my above reply, I DO mine below .7. Not only that, reguardless of their intention they have created a situation where it CAN be done, and left it in the game.
If they don't want it done, then remove the ability to do it. Make the cans a lot smaller (the size of your cargo hold for instance)
And second, reguardless of what you think, if someone is mining then they are putting their time into something, they are working for what they earn. Ore thieves don't. They just show up and steal.
The thing is, I don't have a problem with that, I have a problem with no recourse with them. They can grief a miner, but the miner can't retaliate.
I also stated an obvious reason why I do not believe that ore theft will result in a criminal flag. Hopefully I am wrong, and CCP has a way around it being used as a tool to grief newbies.
Mining with jetcan = High profit
Risk of getting robbed = High Risk
Mining with secure can = Less Profit
No risk of getting robbed = Less (none actually) risk
Thats the way the cookie crumbles. Sorry.
Risk of getting robbed is actually kind of low, there arent that many ore thiefs around i dont think.
Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking. |
Bobbeh
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Posted - 2004.07.13 15:21:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Viceroy
Originally by: Adriana
First of all read my above reply, I DO mine below .7. Not only that, reguardless of their intention they have created a situation where it CAN be done, and left it in the game.
If they don't want it done, then remove the ability to do it. Make the cans a lot smaller (the size of your cargo hold for instance)
And second, reguardless of what you think, if someone is mining then they are putting their time into something, they are working for what they earn. Ore thieves don't. They just show up and steal.
The thing is, I don't have a problem with that, I have a problem with no recourse with them. They can grief a miner, but the miner can't retaliate.
I also stated an obvious reason why I do not believe that ore theft will result in a criminal flag. Hopefully I am wrong, and CCP has a way around it being used as a tool to grief newbies.
Mining with jetcan = High profit
Risk of getting robbed = High Risk
Mining with secure can = Less Profit
No risk of getting robbed = Less (none actually) risk
Thats the way the cookie crumbles. Sorry.
Risk of getting robbed is actually kind of low, there arent that many ore thiefs around i dont think.
Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking. |
Jhered Stern
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Posted - 2004.07.13 16:47:00 -
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I have an ALT that I use for dealing with ore thieves.
Jhered Out!
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Jhered Stern
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Posted - 2004.07.13 16:47:00 -
[46]
I have an ALT that I use for dealing with ore thieves.
Jhered Out!
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flummox
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Posted - 2004.07.13 17:11:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Viceroy
Ok how about this;
The original concept of mining was to mine into your CARGO HOLD and docking to empty it.
Jetcan mining wasnt intended, its a player invention.
You're saying ore theives get all reward for no risk.
Its the same with jetcan mining, you get a huge cargo container, aka lots of reward, for no risk (If ore theives didnt exist that is).
Your entire case is a contradiction. You want mining in secure space to be easier for yourself so you can mine the crap out of those 1.0 system intended for newbies; newbies who SURPRISINGLY mine to their cargo holds like it was intended.
Move into 0.7- and use secure cans. Jetcans werent intended for mining, they create means to gain more profit that was intended by the original "cargo mining" idea. Their downside is that they can be opened by anyone, and thanks to our good ore thief community you people cant ripp off 1.0 systems in apocs with 8 miner2s and get away with.
Your entire "personal vendetta" fantasy is just a crappy idea made up in your self-interest that will never be implemented.
Contraband flagging will be in soon, i dont see what you're whining about.
Go ore thieves go. Teach the greedy lazy stripmining monkeys to use secure cans.
there are plenty of game mechanics that aren't used as they are intended. such as, oh say ganking in empire. or maybe the infamous yulai blockade. escrow is screwed up with false entries. alts. cruise kestrels. this forum. not to even mention the actual exploits of the game that screw everything up.
so, Viceroy, why do you only target "lazy miners" ??
no, seriously... why?
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
flummox
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Posted - 2004.07.13 17:11:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Viceroy
Ok how about this;
The original concept of mining was to mine into your CARGO HOLD and docking to empty it.
Jetcan mining wasnt intended, its a player invention.
You're saying ore theives get all reward for no risk.
Its the same with jetcan mining, you get a huge cargo container, aka lots of reward, for no risk (If ore theives didnt exist that is).
Your entire case is a contradiction. You want mining in secure space to be easier for yourself so you can mine the crap out of those 1.0 system intended for newbies; newbies who SURPRISINGLY mine to their cargo holds like it was intended.
Move into 0.7- and use secure cans. Jetcans werent intended for mining, they create means to gain more profit that was intended by the original "cargo mining" idea. Their downside is that they can be opened by anyone, and thanks to our good ore thief community you people cant ripp off 1.0 systems in apocs with 8 miner2s and get away with.
Your entire "personal vendetta" fantasy is just a crappy idea made up in your self-interest that will never be implemented.
Contraband flagging will be in soon, i dont see what you're whining about.
Go ore thieves go. Teach the greedy lazy stripmining monkeys to use secure cans.
there are plenty of game mechanics that aren't used as they are intended. such as, oh say ganking in empire. or maybe the infamous yulai blockade. escrow is screwed up with false entries. alts. cruise kestrels. this forum. not to even mention the actual exploits of the game that screw everything up.
so, Viceroy, why do you only target "lazy miners" ??
no, seriously... why?
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.13 17:21:00 -
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Quote:
there are plenty of game mechanics that aren't used as they are intended. such as, oh say ganking in empire. or maybe the infamous yulai blockade. escrow is screwed up with false entries. alts. cruise kestrels. this forum. not to even mention the actual exploits of the game that screw everything up.
ganking in empire was removed. the yulai blockade was a blast, but its offically "not allowed", its easy to use your BRAIN to see the false entries in escrow.
cruise kestrels dotn exist anymore. surprise.
anything thats an exploit can be tracked down and punished.
jetcan mining isnt an exploit, its just a player invention. Like instajump bookmarks. Its more efficent than the "original" method of mining, but it has to have a drawback, thus ore liberation exists.
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so, Viceroy, why do you only target "lazy miners" ??
no, seriously... why?
where did i say that i only target lazy miners?
is that some kind of pathetic attempt to insult me or something?
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.13 17:21:00 -
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Quote:
there are plenty of game mechanics that aren't used as they are intended. such as, oh say ganking in empire. or maybe the infamous yulai blockade. escrow is screwed up with false entries. alts. cruise kestrels. this forum. not to even mention the actual exploits of the game that screw everything up.
ganking in empire was removed. the yulai blockade was a blast, but its offically "not allowed", its easy to use your BRAIN to see the false entries in escrow.
cruise kestrels dotn exist anymore. surprise.
anything thats an exploit can be tracked down and punished.
jetcan mining isnt an exploit, its just a player invention. Like instajump bookmarks. Its more efficent than the "original" method of mining, but it has to have a drawback, thus ore liberation exists.
Quote:
so, Viceroy, why do you only target "lazy miners" ??
no, seriously... why?
where did i say that i only target lazy miners?
is that some kind of pathetic attempt to insult me or something?
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2004.07.13 19:05:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Viceroy
*yawn*
Here's a better idea; Use secure cans.
Here's an even better idea... Become a pirate and don't mine ever again!
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2004.07.13 19:05:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Viceroy
*yawn*
Here's a better idea; Use secure cans.
Here's an even better idea... Become a pirate and don't mine ever again!
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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flummox
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Posted - 2004.07.13 19:13:00 -
[53]
Edited by: flummox on 13/07/2004 19:14:39
it seems to be the only thing you open your mouth for.
and they "were" removed, which is past-tense. i don't recall seeing you open your trap for those things. you've been toungue-in-cheeking the "ore liberation" for quite some time now. which is why i asked about you "targeting" jetcan mining/ore thieves.
it's stealing Viceroy. just admit it. or aren't you man enough? c'mon, brother! eat a taco and be my muchacho!
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
flummox
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Posted - 2004.07.13 19:13:00 -
[54]
Edited by: flummox on 13/07/2004 19:14:39
it seems to be the only thing you open your mouth for.
and they "were" removed, which is past-tense. i don't recall seeing you open your trap for those things. you've been toungue-in-cheeking the "ore liberation" for quite some time now. which is why i asked about you "targeting" jetcan mining/ore thieves.
it's stealing Viceroy. just admit it. or aren't you man enough? c'mon, brother! eat a taco and be my muchacho!
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
Nova Ivanova
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Posted - 2004.07.13 19:46:00 -
[55]
Viceroy is god.. and when he speaks/types you obey!
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Nova Ivanova
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Posted - 2004.07.13 19:46:00 -
[56]
Viceroy is god.. and when he speaks/types you obey!
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.13 19:58:00 -
[57]
Originally by: flummox
Edited by: flummox on 13/07/2004 19:14:39
it seems to be the only thing you open your mouth for.
and they "were" removed, which is past-tense. i don't recall seeing you open your trap for those things. you've been toungue-in-cheeking the "ore liberation" for quite some time now. which is why i asked about you "targeting" jetcan mining/ore thieves.
it's stealing Viceroy. just admit it. or aren't you man enough? c'mon, brother! eat a taco and be my muchacho!
Ok now you've started to make zero sense. I recommend immediate unplugging of your keyboard and a reality check.
My stance on everything has been the same for ages. I thought kestrel ganking was overpowered, i think you should use secure cans when mining in secure space.
Simple as that mr.nobody.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.13 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: flummox
Edited by: flummox on 13/07/2004 19:14:39
it seems to be the only thing you open your mouth for.
and they "were" removed, which is past-tense. i don't recall seeing you open your trap for those things. you've been toungue-in-cheeking the "ore liberation" for quite some time now. which is why i asked about you "targeting" jetcan mining/ore thieves.
it's stealing Viceroy. just admit it. or aren't you man enough? c'mon, brother! eat a taco and be my muchacho!
Ok now you've started to make zero sense. I recommend immediate unplugging of your keyboard and a reality check.
My stance on everything has been the same for ages. I thought kestrel ganking was overpowered, i think you should use secure cans when mining in secure space.
Simple as that mr.nobody.
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1024
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Posted - 2004.07.13 20:24:00 -
[59]
If you want to take the luxury of not going back to sell your ore everytime you fill up, you'll have to deal with the risk of getting your stuff stolen.
Simple as that.
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1024
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Posted - 2004.07.13 20:24:00 -
[60]
If you want to take the luxury of not going back to sell your ore everytime you fill up, you'll have to deal with the risk of getting your stuff stolen.
Simple as that.
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