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Adriana
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Posted - 2004.07.13 11:35:00 -
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In the almost 5 months I have been playing I have seen countless threads on ore thieving. The problem with these threads is that every ore thief around comes out trying to justify what they do and how this is your fault for littering and how they are just great people who keep the spaceways clean and you should thank them.
Yes, they know it's a lie. They know they are thieves, and that what they do is morally wrong. They do it because they don't have the balls to even gank you in your indy at a gate somewhere. They do it because they are cowards.
If they weren't cowards they would join a real corp so they could be given a war dec. If they weren't cowards they would go into .4 and below. If they weren't cowards they would be intellectually honest about what it is they do.
Case in point Tenaj has a channel for these type of people called tookurstuff. The very name on the channel indicates that she, and everyone else in it knows that it doesn't belong to them and that they are thieves.
You know what though? Having said all this, I'm ok with ore thieves, and corp thieves, and every other griefer you want to put in the game. What I am not ok with is allowing some of them to opperate with NO consequences, and NO risk. If they want to steal I'm ok with it, but there should be a way to retaliate.
What we need is a different type of war dec imo. How about introducing "Personal Vendetta".
A few rules though, the person in question MUST have been in existance for at least 1 month, and must be a member of an npc corp.
I know this is much longer than the needed time to train a hauler enough to be an ore thief, but if it's too short of a time then it's just another griefing tool.
Even the above would set up a few griefing scenarios, but if you put a 3-24 hours to initiate on these things then it won't help you right when you get ripped off, but I'm betting that enough people have grudges that there would be so many people ready to pop people like vogon, tenaj, zeepo, and the like that they would find it hard going very shortly.
Sure they would make alts to do it again, and those would end up on lists as well.
It isn't perfect, but it would give us some way to combat these people who currently have ALL REWARD and NO RISK, and lets be honest, there are lots of people out there who have actual vendetas against these people, but no way to exercise them. With the recent missile changes it's tough to even use suicide alts to protect yourself, you can't get off enough damage fast enough to protect yourself.
So come on TomB, you like pretty explosions, help us make a few more. This time with a difference. This time the people getting blown up will actually deserve it.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
-Napoleon Bonaparte |
Adriana
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Posted - 2004.07.13 11:35:00 -
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In the almost 5 months I have been playing I have seen countless threads on ore thieving. The problem with these threads is that every ore thief around comes out trying to justify what they do and how this is your fault for littering and how they are just great people who keep the spaceways clean and you should thank them.
Yes, they know it's a lie. They know they are thieves, and that what they do is morally wrong. They do it because they don't have the balls to even gank you in your indy at a gate somewhere. They do it because they are cowards.
If they weren't cowards they would join a real corp so they could be given a war dec. If they weren't cowards they would go into .4 and below. If they weren't cowards they would be intellectually honest about what it is they do.
Case in point Tenaj has a channel for these type of people called tookurstuff. The very name on the channel indicates that she, and everyone else in it knows that it doesn't belong to them and that they are thieves.
You know what though? Having said all this, I'm ok with ore thieves, and corp thieves, and every other griefer you want to put in the game. What I am not ok with is allowing some of them to opperate with NO consequences, and NO risk. If they want to steal I'm ok with it, but there should be a way to retaliate.
What we need is a different type of war dec imo. How about introducing "Personal Vendetta".
A few rules though, the person in question MUST have been in existance for at least 1 month, and must be a member of an npc corp.
I know this is much longer than the needed time to train a hauler enough to be an ore thief, but if it's too short of a time then it's just another griefing tool.
Even the above would set up a few griefing scenarios, but if you put a 3-24 hours to initiate on these things then it won't help you right when you get ripped off, but I'm betting that enough people have grudges that there would be so many people ready to pop people like vogon, tenaj, zeepo, and the like that they would find it hard going very shortly.
Sure they would make alts to do it again, and those would end up on lists as well.
It isn't perfect, but it would give us some way to combat these people who currently have ALL REWARD and NO RISK, and lets be honest, there are lots of people out there who have actual vendetas against these people, but no way to exercise them. With the recent missile changes it's tough to even use suicide alts to protect yourself, you can't get off enough damage fast enough to protect yourself.
So come on TomB, you like pretty explosions, help us make a few more. This time with a difference. This time the people getting blown up will actually deserve it.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
-Napoleon Bonaparte |
Ifni
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Posted - 2004.07.13 11:39:00 -
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Whilst I find myself agreeing with your argument i must point out that it will never happen.
Criminal tagging is coming with Shiva that will make ore thieves valid targets for retribution. Just wait for that and see if there are as many complaints about it when players can fight back.
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Ifni
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Posted - 2004.07.13 11:39:00 -
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Whilst I find myself agreeing with your argument i must point out that it will never happen.
Criminal tagging is coming with Shiva that will make ore thieves valid targets for retribution. Just wait for that and see if there are as many complaints about it when players can fight back.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.13 11:40:00 -
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*yawn*
Here's a better idea; Use secure cans.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.13 11:40:00 -
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*yawn*
Here's a better idea; Use secure cans.
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Adriana
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Posted - 2004.07.13 11:42:00 -
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Edited by: Adriana on 13/07/2004 11:45:23
I would not count on criminal flagging to work on ore thieves. Otherwise you have a scenario where any rat can go into a 1.0 belt and start ejecting cans with a mod or two in them, the minute a noob opens it, and amazed at their good fortune takes the item inside they will be griefed back to the stone age.
Perhaps the devs have a way around such grief tactics, I hope they do, and I hope criminal flagging will address the problem, but unless they have some method for preventing the above mentioned scenario, it will cause far more problems than it solves.
*edit* and please keep the use secure cans rubbish out of my thread. Secure cans aren't usable in above .7 space, and even if they were they are too small to make it worth using. That arguement is crap and everyone knows it.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
-Napoleon Bonaparte |
Adriana
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Posted - 2004.07.13 11:42:00 -
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Edited by: Adriana on 13/07/2004 11:45:23
I would not count on criminal flagging to work on ore thieves. Otherwise you have a scenario where any rat can go into a 1.0 belt and start ejecting cans with a mod or two in them, the minute a noob opens it, and amazed at their good fortune takes the item inside they will be griefed back to the stone age.
Perhaps the devs have a way around such grief tactics, I hope they do, and I hope criminal flagging will address the problem, but unless they have some method for preventing the above mentioned scenario, it will cause far more problems than it solves.
*edit* and please keep the use secure cans rubbish out of my thread. Secure cans aren't usable in above .7 space, and even if they were they are too small to make it worth using. That arguement is crap and everyone knows it.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
-Napoleon Bonaparte |
Bobbeh
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Posted - 2004.07.13 11:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Adriana
What I am not ok with is allowing some of them to opperate with NO consequences, and NO risk.
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It isn't perfect, but it would give us some way to combat these people who currently have ALL REWARD and NO RISK,
Who are they taking the ore off of? Mainly battleship miners in 1.0/0.9, who take ore that newbies could be mining, have no chance of being shot by NPC's and complain when they find out that they're unsecure containers arent so secure.
Ore thieves do thieve but so do these miners, macro mining with no risk in 0.9 is more of a crime, even without the macros :).
Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking. |
Bobbeh
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Posted - 2004.07.13 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Adriana
What I am not ok with is allowing some of them to opperate with NO consequences, and NO risk.
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It isn't perfect, but it would give us some way to combat these people who currently have ALL REWARD and NO RISK,
Who are they taking the ore off of? Mainly battleship miners in 1.0/0.9, who take ore that newbies could be mining, have no chance of being shot by NPC's and complain when they find out that they're unsecure containers arent so secure.
Ore thieves do thieve but so do these miners, macro mining with no risk in 0.9 is more of a crime, even without the macros :).
Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking. |
Bobbeh
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Posted - 2004.07.13 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Adriana
Edited by: Adriana on 13/07/2004 11:45:23
I would not count on criminal flagging to work on ore thieves. Otherwise you have a scenario where any rat can go into a 1.0 belt and start ejecting cans with a mod or two in them, the minute a noob opens it, and amazed at their good fortune takes the item inside they will be griefed back to the stone age.
Perhaps the devs have a way around such grief tactics, I hope they do, and I hope criminal flagging will address the problem, but unless they have some method for preventing the above mentioned scenario, it will cause far more problems than it solves.
*edit* and please keep the use secure cans rubbish out of my thread. Secure cans aren't usable in above .7 space, and even if they were they are too small to make it worth using. That arguement is crap and everyone knows it.
which suggests CCP is telling these huge scale miners to operate below 0.7.....
Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking. |
Bobbeh
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Posted - 2004.07.13 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Adriana
Edited by: Adriana on 13/07/2004 11:45:23
I would not count on criminal flagging to work on ore thieves. Otherwise you have a scenario where any rat can go into a 1.0 belt and start ejecting cans with a mod or two in them, the minute a noob opens it, and amazed at their good fortune takes the item inside they will be griefed back to the stone age.
Perhaps the devs have a way around such grief tactics, I hope they do, and I hope criminal flagging will address the problem, but unless they have some method for preventing the above mentioned scenario, it will cause far more problems than it solves.
*edit* and please keep the use secure cans rubbish out of my thread. Secure cans aren't usable in above .7 space, and even if they were they are too small to make it worth using. That arguement is crap and everyone knows it.
which suggests CCP is telling these huge scale miners to operate below 0.7.....
Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking. |
Adriana
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Posted - 2004.07.13 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: Adriana on 13/07/2004 11:53:00
Macro mining is irrelevant for this discussion. First of all it is a bannable offense and is subject to GM intervention. Secondly, if you are an ore thief and happen to run into a full blown macro mining opp you have just hit the jackpot.
Roid respawns in 1.0 have more than kept up with mining atm from what I have seen, and as long as there is ore for the newbies to mine I don't see the problem with mining in 1.0 space in any ship you happen to be able to fly.
Sure it is a bit rude (I don't do it myself, I mainly stick to .6 and below) but as long as they don't strip mine it all and leave nothing I don't see how it even remotely approaches the level of ore theft. At least these people (NOT macroers I mean) at least work for it. They spend their time and effort to mine it after all.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
-Napoleon Bonaparte |
Adriana
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Posted - 2004.07.13 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: Adriana on 13/07/2004 11:53:00
Macro mining is irrelevant for this discussion. First of all it is a bannable offense and is subject to GM intervention. Secondly, if you are an ore thief and happen to run into a full blown macro mining opp you have just hit the jackpot.
Roid respawns in 1.0 have more than kept up with mining atm from what I have seen, and as long as there is ore for the newbies to mine I don't see the problem with mining in 1.0 space in any ship you happen to be able to fly.
Sure it is a bit rude (I don't do it myself, I mainly stick to .6 and below) but as long as they don't strip mine it all and leave nothing I don't see how it even remotely approaches the level of ore theft. At least these people (NOT macroers I mean) at least work for it. They spend their time and effort to mine it after all.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
-Napoleon Bonaparte |
Asmodia
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Posted - 2004.07.13 11:55:00 -
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I was a ore 'thieve' myself in my n00b time, so let see what is wrong on your post
Originally by: Adriana
If they weren't cowards they would join a real corp so they could be given a war dec.
I was in a corp, we had 3 corpwars running, but no war about stealing ore 
Originally by: Adriana
If they weren't cowards they would go into .4 and below. If they weren't cowards they would be intellectually honest about what it is they do.
I mine myself a lot in low sec space and I feel really lonely in this space, coz all ppl mine in 0.5-1.0. If more ppl would mine there, the noxium price would drop to old value. I think the cowards in first place are the miners and NOT the ore thieves.
Generell i love to mine with jettison cans in the hope for some action, but i never was robbed. 
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Asmodia
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Posted - 2004.07.13 11:55:00 -
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I was a ore 'thieve' myself in my n00b time, so let see what is wrong on your post
Originally by: Adriana
If they weren't cowards they would join a real corp so they could be given a war dec.
I was in a corp, we had 3 corpwars running, but no war about stealing ore
Originally by: Adriana
If they weren't cowards they would go into .4 and below. If they weren't cowards they would be intellectually honest about what it is they do.
I mine myself a lot in low sec space and I feel really lonely in this space, coz all ppl mine in 0.5-1.0. If more ppl would mine there, the noxium price would drop to old value. I think the cowards in first place are the miners and NOT the ore thieves.
Generell i love to mine with jettison cans in the hope for some action, but i never was robbed.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.13 11:55:00 -
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Ok how about this;
The original concept of mining was to mine into your CARGO HOLD and docking to empty it.
Jetcan mining wasnt intended, its a player invention.
You're saying ore theives get all reward for no risk.
Its the same with jetcan mining, you get a huge cargo container, aka lots of reward, for no risk (If ore theives didnt exist that is).
Your entire case is a contradiction. You want mining in secure space to be easier for yourself so you can mine the crap out of those 1.0 system intended for newbies; newbies who SURPRISINGLY mine to their cargo holds like it was intended.
Move into 0.7- and use secure cans. Jetcans werent intended for mining, they create means to gain more profit that was intended by the original "cargo mining" idea. Their downside is that they can be opened by anyone, and thanks to our good ore thief community you people cant ripp off 1.0 systems in apocs with 8 miner2s and get away with.
Your entire "personal vendetta" fantasy is just a crappy idea made up in your self-interest that will never be implemented.
Contraband flagging will be in soon, i dont see what you're whining about.
Go ore thieves go. Teach the greedy lazy stripmining monkeys to use secure cans.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.13 11:55:00 -
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Ok how about this;
The original concept of mining was to mine into your CARGO HOLD and docking to empty it.
Jetcan mining wasnt intended, its a player invention.
You're saying ore theives get all reward for no risk.
Its the same with jetcan mining, you get a huge cargo container, aka lots of reward, for no risk (If ore theives didnt exist that is).
Your entire case is a contradiction. You want mining in secure space to be easier for yourself so you can mine the crap out of those 1.0 system intended for newbies; newbies who SURPRISINGLY mine to their cargo holds like it was intended.
Move into 0.7- and use secure cans. Jetcans werent intended for mining, they create means to gain more profit that was intended by the original "cargo mining" idea. Their downside is that they can be opened by anyone, and thanks to our good ore thief community you people cant ripp off 1.0 systems in apocs with 8 miner2s and get away with.
Your entire "personal vendetta" fantasy is just a crappy idea made up in your self-interest that will never be implemented.
Contraband flagging will be in soon, i dont see what you're whining about.
Go ore thieves go. Teach the greedy lazy stripmining monkeys to use secure cans.
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Adriana
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Posted - 2004.07.13 12:01:00 -
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First of all read my above reply, I DO mine below .7. Not only that, reguardless of their intention they have created a situation where it CAN be done, and left it in the game.
If they don't want it done, then remove the ability to do it. Make the cans a lot smaller (the size of your cargo hold for instance)
And second, reguardless of what you think, if someone is mining then they are putting their time into something, they are working for what they earn. Ore thieves don't. They just show up and steal.
The thing is, I don't have a problem with that, I have a problem with no recourse with them. They can grief a miner, but the miner can't retaliate.
I also stated an obvious reason why I do not believe that ore theft will result in a criminal flag. Hopefully I am wrong, and CCP has a way around it being used as a tool to grief newbies.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
-Napoleon Bonaparte |
Adriana
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Posted - 2004.07.13 12:01:00 -
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First of all read my above reply, I DO mine below .7. Not only that, reguardless of their intention they have created a situation where it CAN be done, and left it in the game.
If they don't want it done, then remove the ability to do it. Make the cans a lot smaller (the size of your cargo hold for instance)
And second, reguardless of what you think, if someone is mining then they are putting their time into something, they are working for what they earn. Ore thieves don't. They just show up and steal.
The thing is, I don't have a problem with that, I have a problem with no recourse with them. They can grief a miner, but the miner can't retaliate.
I also stated an obvious reason why I do not believe that ore theft will result in a criminal flag. Hopefully I am wrong, and CCP has a way around it being used as a tool to grief newbies.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
-Napoleon Bonaparte |
Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.13 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Adriana
First of all read my above reply, I DO mine below .7. Not only that, reguardless of their intention they have created a situation where it CAN be done, and left it in the game.
If they don't want it done, then remove the ability to do it. Make the cans a lot smaller (the size of your cargo hold for instance)
And second, reguardless of what you think, if someone is mining then they are putting their time into something, they are working for what they earn. Ore thieves don't. They just show up and steal.
The thing is, I don't have a problem with that, I have a problem with no recourse with them. They can grief a miner, but the miner can't retaliate.
I also stated an obvious reason why I do not believe that ore theft will result in a criminal flag. Hopefully I am wrong, and CCP has a way around it being used as a tool to grief newbies.
Mining with jetcan = High profit
Risk of getting robbed = High Risk
Mining with secure can = Less Profit
No risk of getting robbed = Less (none actually) risk
Thats the way the cookie crumbles. Sorry.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.13 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Adriana
First of all read my above reply, I DO mine below .7. Not only that, reguardless of their intention they have created a situation where it CAN be done, and left it in the game.
If they don't want it done, then remove the ability to do it. Make the cans a lot smaller (the size of your cargo hold for instance)
And second, reguardless of what you think, if someone is mining then they are putting their time into something, they are working for what they earn. Ore thieves don't. They just show up and steal.
The thing is, I don't have a problem with that, I have a problem with no recourse with them. They can grief a miner, but the miner can't retaliate.
I also stated an obvious reason why I do not believe that ore theft will result in a criminal flag. Hopefully I am wrong, and CCP has a way around it being used as a tool to grief newbies.
Mining with jetcan = High profit
Risk of getting robbed = High Risk
Mining with secure can = Less Profit
No risk of getting robbed = Less (none actually) risk
Thats the way the cookie crumbles. Sorry.
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Psy Corp
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Posted - 2004.07.13 12:24:00 -
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a great a whine about the whines that will get a fix.. here take a chill pill
I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
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Psy Corp
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Posted - 2004.07.13 12:24:00 -
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a great a whine about the whines that will get a fix.. here take a chill pill
I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
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Broc Vallion
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Posted - 2004.07.13 12:27:00 -
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Adraina, have you ever shot at someones ship without asking first?
Ore thieving is kinda like that.....And if you dont want people taking ya ore then dont throw it away.......
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Broc Vallion
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Posted - 2004.07.13 12:27:00 -
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Adraina, have you ever shot at someones ship without asking first?
Ore thieving is kinda like that.....And if you dont want people taking ya ore then dont throw it away.......
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Asmodia
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Posted - 2004.07.13 12:30:00 -
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I can not see the problem:
My megathron mines in 20 minutes 1 load for an indi, so if someone steals me this i lose 20 minutes eve-time.
Last night i was waiting 6 hours outside a station to camp 1 terrorist of the CELES corp. 6 hours no income. 0 isk. Only one showed up , docked and logged.
Compare between all 20 minutes making 1 mil isk to 6 hours no money = ccp must not do something against ore thieves. simple math for me. oK ?
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Asmodia
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Posted - 2004.07.13 12:30:00 -
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I can not see the problem:
My megathron mines in 20 minutes 1 load for an indi, so if someone steals me this i lose 20 minutes eve-time.
Last night i was waiting 6 hours outside a station to camp 1 terrorist of the CELES corp. 6 hours no income. 0 isk. Only one showed up , docked and logged.
Compare between all 20 minutes making 1 mil isk to 6 hours no money = ccp must not do something against ore thieves. simple math for me. oK ?
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walkingdeath
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Posted - 2004.07.13 12:33:00 -
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well ore thifs are a pain when you 1st start.
I tell you what happened to me 1st week got an frig and hauler, so i stated to can mine ore theif came and stoll my can.
Its real nice to steal from a noob not in any player corp. makes it hard to make money,
(theif was in an intron V so it wasnt a noob stealing from a noob)
So i say that is lame!!!!
So i get mad and log off come back on later because i want to get the cash for a cruser and the skills needed to fly one (ie cruser skill 500000 isk ans ship 2-6 mill lot of ore with frig and time)
Any way to the point i find a nice belt with good patch of scord start mining and 5 or 6 BS and 2 haulers jump in and stip mine the belt they go from belt to belt. thats lame with a group like that you should be in space lower than .9 i would say .5 or below
after i got my thorax I mined in .8 to .4 depending on the ore i needed for items or what was selling good.
soon to have a bs finnaly mined all the ore needed to build it.
so all in all if thiefs go after bs groups strip mining i dont have a problem with that.
but they dont they seem to pick on the noobs that dont know about ramming to keep ore thiefs from getting to can easy and keeping them from jumping out easy.
As for corps strip mining .9 and up well you are just as bad as ore thifes go to lower space the rats in .5 .6 .7 you can take out easy with drones its just plain lame to do that.
to ore thiefs and strip mining opts why not leave .9 and up alone so noobs have a chance.
(ie: I almost said to hell with this game due to thing like that going on in .9 and 1.0 space )
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walkingdeath
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Posted - 2004.07.13 12:33:00 -
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well ore thifs are a pain when you 1st start.
I tell you what happened to me 1st week got an frig and hauler, so i stated to can mine ore theif came and stoll my can.
Its real nice to steal from a noob not in any player corp. makes it hard to make money,
(theif was in an intron V so it wasnt a noob stealing from a noob)
So i say that is lame!!!!
So i get mad and log off come back on later because i want to get the cash for a cruser and the skills needed to fly one (ie cruser skill 500000 isk ans ship 2-6 mill lot of ore with frig and time)
Any way to the point i find a nice belt with good patch of scord start mining and 5 or 6 BS and 2 haulers jump in and stip mine the belt they go from belt to belt. thats lame with a group like that you should be in space lower than .9 i would say .5 or below
after i got my thorax I mined in .8 to .4 depending on the ore i needed for items or what was selling good.
soon to have a bs finnaly mined all the ore needed to build it.
so all in all if thiefs go after bs groups strip mining i dont have a problem with that.
but they dont they seem to pick on the noobs that dont know about ramming to keep ore thiefs from getting to can easy and keeping them from jumping out easy.
As for corps strip mining .9 and up well you are just as bad as ore thifes go to lower space the rats in .5 .6 .7 you can take out easy with drones its just plain lame to do that.
to ore thiefs and strip mining opts why not leave .9 and up alone so noobs have a chance.
(ie: I almost said to hell with this game due to thing like that going on in .9 and 1.0 space )
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Broc Vallion
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Posted - 2004.07.13 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: walkingdeath
well ore thifs are a pain when you 1st start.
I tell you what happened to me 1st week got an frig and hauler, so i stated to can mine ore theif came and stoll my can.
Its real nice to steal from a noob not in any player corp. makes it hard to make money,
(theif was in an intron V so it wasnt a noob stealing from a noob)
So i say that is lame!!!!
So i get mad and log off come back on later because i want to get the cash for a cruser and the skills needed to fly one (ie cruser skill 500000 isk ans ship 2-6 mill lot of ore with frig and time)
Any way to the point i find a nice belt with good patch of scord start mining and 5 or 6 BS and 2 haulers jump in and stip mine the belt they go from belt to belt. thats lame with a group like that you should be in space lower than .9 i would say .5 or below
after i got my thorax I mined in .8 to .4 depending on the ore i needed for items or what was selling good.
soon to have a bs finnaly mined all the ore needed to build it.
so all in all if thiefs go after bs groups strip mining i dont have a problem with that.
but they dont they seem to pick on the noobs that dont know about ramming to keep ore thiefs from getting to can easy and keeping them from jumping out easy.
As for corps strip mining .9 and up well you are just as bad as ore thifes go to lower space the rats in .5 .6 .7 you can take out easy with drones its just plain lame to do that.
to ore thiefs and strip mining opts why not leave .9 and up alone so noobs have a chance.
(ie: I almost said to hell with this game due to thing like that going on in .9 and 1.0 space )
Join a corp......if you want to go solo fine, do it after you've joined a corp.....the corp will get you in a cruiser fast then you can pay them back and leave
As a new player you cant expect to be totally safe from the rest of Eve.......
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Broc Vallion
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Posted - 2004.07.13 12:45:00 -
[32]
Originally by: walkingdeath
well ore thifs are a pain when you 1st start.
I tell you what happened to me 1st week got an frig and hauler, so i stated to can mine ore theif came and stoll my can.
Its real nice to steal from a noob not in any player corp. makes it hard to make money,
(theif was in an intron V so it wasnt a noob stealing from a noob)
So i say that is lame!!!!
So i get mad and log off come back on later because i want to get the cash for a cruser and the skills needed to fly one (ie cruser skill 500000 isk ans ship 2-6 mill lot of ore with frig and time)
Any way to the point i find a nice belt with good patch of scord start mining and 5 or 6 BS and 2 haulers jump in and stip mine the belt they go from belt to belt. thats lame with a group like that you should be in space lower than .9 i would say .5 or below
after i got my thorax I mined in .8 to .4 depending on the ore i needed for items or what was selling good.
soon to have a bs finnaly mined all the ore needed to build it.
so all in all if thiefs go after bs groups strip mining i dont have a problem with that.
but they dont they seem to pick on the noobs that dont know about ramming to keep ore thiefs from getting to can easy and keeping them from jumping out easy.
As for corps strip mining .9 and up well you are just as bad as ore thifes go to lower space the rats in .5 .6 .7 you can take out easy with drones its just plain lame to do that.
to ore thiefs and strip mining opts why not leave .9 and up alone so noobs have a chance.
(ie: I almost said to hell with this game due to thing like that going on in .9 and 1.0 space )
Join a corp......if you want to go solo fine, do it after you've joined a corp.....the corp will get you in a cruiser fast then you can pay them back and leave
As a new player you cant expect to be totally safe from the rest of Eve.......
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Fetty Chico
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Posted - 2004.07.13 13:11:00 -
[33]
same arguement again
Miners= Dont worry, if crimal flaggen works work (Im doubtn that for the first week though) you an dem ore thieves can fight ova rocks till the Eve gate stablizes an the Earthers invade
Ore Theives= while what ya do is legal game wise, dont try fo the "We've noble in that we give risk to something that has no risk" your scum, admitt it, dere aint no shame in in, but ya is scum, and what you do currently *gasp* aint got no risk. So Miners, cut ya rocks, Ore thieves, steal dem rocks, and both of ya, just wait for crim flaggin
cause i wanna see if the theives make a combat indy
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Tell my tale to those who ask.
Tell it truly - the ill deeds, along with the good - and let me be judged accordingly.
If this world was supposed to be friendly
CCP wouldnt have wasted time paying the devs to code so many weapons |
Fetty Chico
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Posted - 2004.07.13 13:11:00 -
[34]
same arguement again
Miners= Dont worry, if crimal flaggen works work (Im doubtn that for the first week though) you an dem ore thieves can fight ova rocks till the Eve gate stablizes an the Earthers invade
Ore Theives= while what ya do is legal game wise, dont try fo the "We've noble in that we give risk to something that has no risk" your scum, admitt it, dere aint no shame in in, but ya is scum, and what you do currently *gasp* aint got no risk. So Miners, cut ya rocks, Ore thieves, steal dem rocks, and both of ya, just wait for crim flaggin
cause i wanna see if the theives make a combat indy
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Tell my tale to those who ask.
Tell it truly - the ill deeds, along with the good - and let me be judged accordingly.
If this world was supposed to be friendly
CCP wouldnt have wasted time paying the devs to code so many weapons |
Attrael
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Posted - 2004.07.13 14:40:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Attrael on 13/07/2004 14:41:56
Originally by: Viceroy
*yawn*
Here's a better idea; Use secure cans.
I have a much better idea.
1. Locate Viceroy, pop him repeatedly until he can't afford clones any'moo're.
2. Pop him until he only has 65,000 skillpoints left.
3. Tattoo your name in Viceroy's forehead so he will never forget who humiliated him.
4. Point and laugh at Viceroy.
5. Kick Viceroy in the behind and tell him to get 'moo'ving back to 1.0 sec territory.
6. Force Viceroy to mine veldspar in an Ibis for the rest of his life.
7. Attempt to breed Sally of Corp 1 and Viceroy to produce a 'moo're efficient mining 'drone'.
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Attrael
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Posted - 2004.07.13 14:40:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Attrael on 13/07/2004 14:41:56
Originally by: Viceroy
*yawn*
Here's a better idea; Use secure cans.
I have a much better idea.
1. Locate Viceroy, pop him repeatedly until he can't afford clones any'moo're.
2. Pop him until he only has 65,000 skillpoints left.
3. Tattoo your name in Viceroy's forehead so he will never forget who humiliated him.
4. Point and laugh at Viceroy.
5. Kick Viceroy in the behind and tell him to get 'moo'ving back to 1.0 sec territory.
6. Force Viceroy to mine veldspar in an Ibis for the rest of his life.
7. Attempt to breed Sally of Corp 1 and Viceroy to produce a 'moo're efficient mining 'drone'.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.13 14:56:00 -
[37]
You're so funny.
Really.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.13 14:56:00 -
[38]
You're so funny.
Really.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.13 14:58:00 -
[39]
talk about personal vendetta, some people.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.13 14:58:00 -
[40]
talk about personal vendetta, some people.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
eddie valvetino
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Posted - 2004.07.13 15:16:00 -
[41]
Edited by: eddie valvetino on 13/07/2004 15:20:15
Have a long memory.
you'll get your chance
p.s. I mine into a jet can all the time, it pays better in the long term, ore theives or not.
Viceroy is right if you wanna mine into a can with ne fear of Ore Theif, get a secure can or several secure cans. Arrange a hauler and pay him well.
Don't be so greedy!!!!
(\_/)
(O.o)
(> <) |
eddie valvetino
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Posted - 2004.07.13 15:16:00 -
[42]
Edited by: eddie valvetino on 13/07/2004 15:20:15
Have a long memory.
you'll get your chance
p.s. I mine into a jet can all the time, it pays better in the long term, ore theives or not.
Viceroy is right if you wanna mine into a can with ne fear of Ore Theif, get a secure can or several secure cans. Arrange a hauler and pay him well.
Don't be so greedy!!!!
(\_/)
(O.o)
(> <) |
Bobbeh
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Posted - 2004.07.13 15:21:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Viceroy
Originally by: Adriana
First of all read my above reply, I DO mine below .7. Not only that, reguardless of their intention they have created a situation where it CAN be done, and left it in the game.
If they don't want it done, then remove the ability to do it. Make the cans a lot smaller (the size of your cargo hold for instance)
And second, reguardless of what you think, if someone is mining then they are putting their time into something, they are working for what they earn. Ore thieves don't. They just show up and steal.
The thing is, I don't have a problem with that, I have a problem with no recourse with them. They can grief a miner, but the miner can't retaliate.
I also stated an obvious reason why I do not believe that ore theft will result in a criminal flag. Hopefully I am wrong, and CCP has a way around it being used as a tool to grief newbies.
Mining with jetcan = High profit
Risk of getting robbed = High Risk
Mining with secure can = Less Profit
No risk of getting robbed = Less (none actually) risk
Thats the way the cookie crumbles. Sorry.
Risk of getting robbed is actually kind of low, there arent that many ore thiefs around i dont think.
Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking. |
Bobbeh
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Posted - 2004.07.13 15:21:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Viceroy
Originally by: Adriana
First of all read my above reply, I DO mine below .7. Not only that, reguardless of their intention they have created a situation where it CAN be done, and left it in the game.
If they don't want it done, then remove the ability to do it. Make the cans a lot smaller (the size of your cargo hold for instance)
And second, reguardless of what you think, if someone is mining then they are putting their time into something, they are working for what they earn. Ore thieves don't. They just show up and steal.
The thing is, I don't have a problem with that, I have a problem with no recourse with them. They can grief a miner, but the miner can't retaliate.
I also stated an obvious reason why I do not believe that ore theft will result in a criminal flag. Hopefully I am wrong, and CCP has a way around it being used as a tool to grief newbies.
Mining with jetcan = High profit
Risk of getting robbed = High Risk
Mining with secure can = Less Profit
No risk of getting robbed = Less (none actually) risk
Thats the way the cookie crumbles. Sorry.
Risk of getting robbed is actually kind of low, there arent that many ore thiefs around i dont think.
Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking. |
Jhered Stern
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Posted - 2004.07.13 16:47:00 -
[45]
I have an ALT that I use for dealing with ore thieves.
Jhered Out!
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Jhered Stern
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Posted - 2004.07.13 16:47:00 -
[46]
I have an ALT that I use for dealing with ore thieves.
Jhered Out!
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flummox
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Posted - 2004.07.13 17:11:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Viceroy
Ok how about this;
The original concept of mining was to mine into your CARGO HOLD and docking to empty it.
Jetcan mining wasnt intended, its a player invention.
You're saying ore theives get all reward for no risk.
Its the same with jetcan mining, you get a huge cargo container, aka lots of reward, for no risk (If ore theives didnt exist that is).
Your entire case is a contradiction. You want mining in secure space to be easier for yourself so you can mine the crap out of those 1.0 system intended for newbies; newbies who SURPRISINGLY mine to their cargo holds like it was intended.
Move into 0.7- and use secure cans. Jetcans werent intended for mining, they create means to gain more profit that was intended by the original "cargo mining" idea. Their downside is that they can be opened by anyone, and thanks to our good ore thief community you people cant ripp off 1.0 systems in apocs with 8 miner2s and get away with.
Your entire "personal vendetta" fantasy is just a crappy idea made up in your self-interest that will never be implemented.
Contraband flagging will be in soon, i dont see what you're whining about.
Go ore thieves go. Teach the greedy lazy stripmining monkeys to use secure cans.
there are plenty of game mechanics that aren't used as they are intended. such as, oh say ganking in empire. or maybe the infamous yulai blockade. escrow is screwed up with false entries. alts. cruise kestrels. this forum. not to even mention the actual exploits of the game that screw everything up.
so, Viceroy, why do you only target "lazy miners" ??
no, seriously... why?
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
flummox
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Posted - 2004.07.13 17:11:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Viceroy
Ok how about this;
The original concept of mining was to mine into your CARGO HOLD and docking to empty it.
Jetcan mining wasnt intended, its a player invention.
You're saying ore theives get all reward for no risk.
Its the same with jetcan mining, you get a huge cargo container, aka lots of reward, for no risk (If ore theives didnt exist that is).
Your entire case is a contradiction. You want mining in secure space to be easier for yourself so you can mine the crap out of those 1.0 system intended for newbies; newbies who SURPRISINGLY mine to their cargo holds like it was intended.
Move into 0.7- and use secure cans. Jetcans werent intended for mining, they create means to gain more profit that was intended by the original "cargo mining" idea. Their downside is that they can be opened by anyone, and thanks to our good ore thief community you people cant ripp off 1.0 systems in apocs with 8 miner2s and get away with.
Your entire "personal vendetta" fantasy is just a crappy idea made up in your self-interest that will never be implemented.
Contraband flagging will be in soon, i dont see what you're whining about.
Go ore thieves go. Teach the greedy lazy stripmining monkeys to use secure cans.
there are plenty of game mechanics that aren't used as they are intended. such as, oh say ganking in empire. or maybe the infamous yulai blockade. escrow is screwed up with false entries. alts. cruise kestrels. this forum. not to even mention the actual exploits of the game that screw everything up.
so, Viceroy, why do you only target "lazy miners" ??
no, seriously... why?
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.13 17:21:00 -
[49]
Quote:
there are plenty of game mechanics that aren't used as they are intended. such as, oh say ganking in empire. or maybe the infamous yulai blockade. escrow is screwed up with false entries. alts. cruise kestrels. this forum. not to even mention the actual exploits of the game that screw everything up.
ganking in empire was removed. the yulai blockade was a blast, but its offically "not allowed", its easy to use your BRAIN to see the false entries in escrow.
cruise kestrels dotn exist anymore. surprise.
anything thats an exploit can be tracked down and punished.
jetcan mining isnt an exploit, its just a player invention. Like instajump bookmarks. Its more efficent than the "original" method of mining, but it has to have a drawback, thus ore liberation exists.
Quote:
so, Viceroy, why do you only target "lazy miners" ??
no, seriously... why?
where did i say that i only target lazy miners?
is that some kind of pathetic attempt to insult me or something?
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.13 17:21:00 -
[50]
Quote:
there are plenty of game mechanics that aren't used as they are intended. such as, oh say ganking in empire. or maybe the infamous yulai blockade. escrow is screwed up with false entries. alts. cruise kestrels. this forum. not to even mention the actual exploits of the game that screw everything up.
ganking in empire was removed. the yulai blockade was a blast, but its offically "not allowed", its easy to use your BRAIN to see the false entries in escrow.
cruise kestrels dotn exist anymore. surprise.
anything thats an exploit can be tracked down and punished.
jetcan mining isnt an exploit, its just a player invention. Like instajump bookmarks. Its more efficent than the "original" method of mining, but it has to have a drawback, thus ore liberation exists.
Quote:
so, Viceroy, why do you only target "lazy miners" ??
no, seriously... why?
where did i say that i only target lazy miners?
is that some kind of pathetic attempt to insult me or something?
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2004.07.13 19:05:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Viceroy
*yawn*
Here's a better idea; Use secure cans.
Here's an even better idea... Become a pirate and don't mine ever again!
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2004.07.13 19:05:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Viceroy
*yawn*
Here's a better idea; Use secure cans.
Here's an even better idea... Become a pirate and don't mine ever again!
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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flummox
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Posted - 2004.07.13 19:13:00 -
[53]
Edited by: flummox on 13/07/2004 19:14:39
it seems to be the only thing you open your mouth for.
and they "were" removed, which is past-tense. i don't recall seeing you open your trap for those things. you've been toungue-in-cheeking the "ore liberation" for quite some time now. which is why i asked about you "targeting" jetcan mining/ore thieves.
it's stealing Viceroy. just admit it. or aren't you man enough? c'mon, brother! eat a taco and be my muchacho!
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
flummox
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Posted - 2004.07.13 19:13:00 -
[54]
Edited by: flummox on 13/07/2004 19:14:39
it seems to be the only thing you open your mouth for.
and they "were" removed, which is past-tense. i don't recall seeing you open your trap for those things. you've been toungue-in-cheeking the "ore liberation" for quite some time now. which is why i asked about you "targeting" jetcan mining/ore thieves.
it's stealing Viceroy. just admit it. or aren't you man enough? c'mon, brother! eat a taco and be my muchacho!
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
Nova Ivanova
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Posted - 2004.07.13 19:46:00 -
[55]
Viceroy is god.. and when he speaks/types you obey!
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Nova Ivanova
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Posted - 2004.07.13 19:46:00 -
[56]
Viceroy is god.. and when he speaks/types you obey!
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.13 19:58:00 -
[57]
Originally by: flummox
Edited by: flummox on 13/07/2004 19:14:39
it seems to be the only thing you open your mouth for.
and they "were" removed, which is past-tense. i don't recall seeing you open your trap for those things. you've been toungue-in-cheeking the "ore liberation" for quite some time now. which is why i asked about you "targeting" jetcan mining/ore thieves.
it's stealing Viceroy. just admit it. or aren't you man enough? c'mon, brother! eat a taco and be my muchacho!
Ok now you've started to make zero sense. I recommend immediate unplugging of your keyboard and a reality check.
My stance on everything has been the same for ages. I thought kestrel ganking was overpowered, i think you should use secure cans when mining in secure space.
Simple as that mr.nobody.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.13 19:58:00 -
[58]
Originally by: flummox
Edited by: flummox on 13/07/2004 19:14:39
it seems to be the only thing you open your mouth for.
and they "were" removed, which is past-tense. i don't recall seeing you open your trap for those things. you've been toungue-in-cheeking the "ore liberation" for quite some time now. which is why i asked about you "targeting" jetcan mining/ore thieves.
it's stealing Viceroy. just admit it. or aren't you man enough? c'mon, brother! eat a taco and be my muchacho!
Ok now you've started to make zero sense. I recommend immediate unplugging of your keyboard and a reality check.
My stance on everything has been the same for ages. I thought kestrel ganking was overpowered, i think you should use secure cans when mining in secure space.
Simple as that mr.nobody.
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1024
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Posted - 2004.07.13 20:24:00 -
[59]
If you want to take the luxury of not going back to sell your ore everytime you fill up, you'll have to deal with the risk of getting your stuff stolen.
Simple as that.
... |
1024
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Posted - 2004.07.13 20:24:00 -
[60]
If you want to take the luxury of not going back to sell your ore everytime you fill up, you'll have to deal with the risk of getting your stuff stolen.
Simple as that.
... |
Ryctor
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Posted - 2004.07.13 20:44:00 -
[61]
Quote:
Yes, they know it's a lie. They know they are thieves, and that what they do is morally wrong. They do it because they don't have the balls to even gank you in your indy at a gate somewhere. They do it because they are cowards.
First off dont push your " morals" on me.
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2004.07.13 20:44:00 -
[62]
Quote:
Yes, they know it's a lie. They know they are thieves, and that what they do is morally wrong. They do it because they don't have the balls to even gank you in your indy at a gate somewhere. They do it because they are cowards.
First off dont push your " morals" on me.
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Attrael
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Posted - 2004.07.13 21:05:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Ryctor
First off dont push your " morals" on me.
Why not? You need one or two.
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Attrael
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Posted - 2004.07.13 21:05:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Ryctor
First off dont push your " morals" on me.
Why not? You need one or two.
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flummox
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Posted - 2004.07.13 21:06:00 -
[65]
thanks Ryctor! now you've just negated any of the usual Thieving arguements of "it's not stealing" or "i'm simply cleaning up space junk"... that's the whole concept right there, dude. don't push your morals onto us either...
keep thieving!
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
flummox
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Posted - 2004.07.13 21:06:00 -
[66]
thanks Ryctor! now you've just negated any of the usual Thieving arguements of "it's not stealing" or "i'm simply cleaning up space junk"... that's the whole concept right there, dude. don't push your morals onto us either...
keep thieving!
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
Ryctor
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Posted - 2004.07.13 21:13:00 -
[67]
Flu I am still waiting on you to come and "pop" my indy..... I hate when people promise to do something then dont.....
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2004.07.13 21:13:00 -
[68]
Flu I am still waiting on you to come and "pop" my indy..... I hate when people promise to do something then dont.....
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slothe
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Posted - 2004.07.13 22:10:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Attrael
Edited by: Attrael on 13/07/2004 14:41:56
Originally by: Viceroy
*yawn*
Here's a better idea; Use secure cans.
I have a much better idea.
1. Locate Viceroy, pop him repeatedly until he can't afford clones any'moo're.
2. Pop him until he only has 65,000 skillpoints left.
3. Tattoo your name in Viceroy's forehead so he will never forget who humiliated him.
4. Point and laugh at Viceroy.
5. Kick Viceroy in the behind and tell him to get 'moo'ving back to 1.0 sec territory.
6. Force Viceroy to mine veldspar in an Ibis for the rest of his life.
7. Attempt to breed Sally of Corp 1 and Viceroy to produce a 'moo're efficient mining 'drone'.
Say hello on our forum @www.aserea.com
or join our public channel ingame "MLM Public"
http://www.khainestar.com/eve |
slothe
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Posted - 2004.07.13 22:10:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Attrael
Edited by: Attrael on 13/07/2004 14:41:56
Originally by: Viceroy
*yawn*
Here's a better idea; Use secure cans.
I have a much better idea.
1. Locate Viceroy, pop him repeatedly until he can't afford clones any'moo're.
2. Pop him until he only has 65,000 skillpoints left.
3. Tattoo your name in Viceroy's forehead so he will never forget who humiliated him.
4. Point and laugh at Viceroy.
5. Kick Viceroy in the behind and tell him to get 'moo'ving back to 1.0 sec territory.
6. Force Viceroy to mine veldspar in an Ibis for the rest of his life.
7. Attempt to breed Sally of Corp 1 and Viceroy to produce a 'moo're efficient mining 'drone'.
Say hello on our forum @www.aserea.com
or join our public channel ingame "MLM Public"
http://www.khainestar.com/eve |
Adriana
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Posted - 2004.07.14 06:40:00 -
[71]
Um. Thats not going to be easy. Agree with him or not Viceroy is damn good at PvP from all acounts I've heard, and his corp is acknowledged as elite, even among other pirates.
Podding him once would be hard enough I think, podding him back to the stone age would be next to impossible.
Besides, of all the pirates I'd like to see gone, Viceroy isn't at the top of my list, whatever else he has going on, he is at least funny sometimes. Most pirates lack that sense of humor.
Come to think of it, most players do too.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
-Napoleon Bonaparte |
Adriana
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Posted - 2004.07.14 06:40:00 -
[72]
Um. Thats not going to be easy. Agree with him or not Viceroy is damn good at PvP from all acounts I've heard, and his corp is acknowledged as elite, even among other pirates.
Podding him once would be hard enough I think, podding him back to the stone age would be next to impossible.
Besides, of all the pirates I'd like to see gone, Viceroy isn't at the top of my list, whatever else he has going on, he is at least funny sometimes. Most pirates lack that sense of humor.
Come to think of it, most players do too.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
-Napoleon Bonaparte |
Attrael
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Posted - 2004.07.14 07:07:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Attrael on 14/07/2004 07:13:16
Edited by: Attrael on 14/07/2004 07:09:59
Edited by: Attrael on 14/07/2004 07:08:06
I retract everything I've said. I'd rather not cause any trouble for my friends over my stupid mouth. Please ignore me, I'm not worth your time. Thanks.
- Attrael, Noob Extraordinaire and level V retard.
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Attrael
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Posted - 2004.07.14 07:07:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Attrael on 14/07/2004 07:13:16
Edited by: Attrael on 14/07/2004 07:09:59
Edited by: Attrael on 14/07/2004 07:08:06
I retract everything I've said. I'd rather not cause any trouble for my friends over my stupid mouth. Please ignore me, I'm not worth your time. Thanks.
- Attrael, Noob Extraordinaire and level V retard.
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Sub 7
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Posted - 2004.07.14 07:43:00 -
[75]
LOL! I like Viceroy... he speaks sense! he's da man!
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Sub 7
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Posted - 2004.07.14 07:43:00 -
[76]
LOL! I like Viceroy... he speaks sense! he's da man!
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Lepakko
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Posted - 2004.07.14 10:58:00 -
[77]
Yeah ...
Viceroy is da man and i dont even like pirates
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Lepakko
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Posted - 2004.07.14 10:58:00 -
[78]
Yeah ...
Viceroy is da man and i dont even like pirates
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Kin Hanyerec
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Posted - 2004.07.14 11:47:00 -
[79]
yes taking someone else ore from a can is thieving, but isn't that a way to make money like everyone else ?
do YOU own the roids you mine ? Or are those roids intended for you to mine them with an 8 miner II apoc ?
so you are a thief too.
there's no morale in eve 
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Kin Hanyerec
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Posted - 2004.07.14 11:47:00 -
[80]
yes taking someone else ore from a can is thieving, but isn't that a way to make money like everyone else ?
do YOU own the roids you mine ? Or are those roids intended for you to mine them with an 8 miner II apoc ?
so you are a thief too.
there's no morale in eve
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.07.14 12:04:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Viceroy
Mining with jetcan = High profit
Risk of getting robbed = High Risk
Mining with secure can = Less Profit
No risk of getting robbed = Less (none actually) risk
Thats the way the cookie crumbles. Sorry.
True, true again and true again.
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Never be in the company of anyone with whom you would not want to die.
MEDUSA veteran, Khumaak Award winner |
Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.07.14 12:04:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Viceroy
Mining with jetcan = High profit
Risk of getting robbed = High Risk
Mining with secure can = Less Profit
No risk of getting robbed = Less (none actually) risk
Thats the way the cookie crumbles. Sorry.
True, true again and true again.
____________________________________________________
Never be in the company of anyone with whom you would not want to die.
MEDUSA veteran, Khumaak Award winner |
Tenaj
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Posted - 2004.07.14 12:34:00 -
[83]
Thanks for plugging my channel Adrianna.
Personally I've never tried to pretend that I'm doing anything other than stealing. I openly admit to being a thief. I DO think though that jet can mining is damn nearly an exploit and that thieves add balance and risk to it.
I do go into 0.4. I was there last night, and engaged another player. (unfortunately a tad too near to the sentry guns )
I think Viceroy generally sums it up very well, he talks a lot of sense. But Adrianna dear, you have been a whiner since I first came across you. I recall one of your first posts being about thieves stealing your ore and how you should be left alone in 1.0 to stripmine it. Your next post was about the rats in 0.4 being too tough though!!
Honestly, have you ever thought that EVE may not be the right game for you? I have you down more as a ''Britney's dance party'' on the PS2 type myself
Channel TOOKURSTUFF, serving the Criminal community.
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Tenaj
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Posted - 2004.07.14 12:34:00 -
[84]
Thanks for plugging my channel Adrianna.
Personally I've never tried to pretend that I'm doing anything other than stealing. I openly admit to being a thief. I DO think though that jet can mining is damn nearly an exploit and that thieves add balance and risk to it.
I do go into 0.4. I was there last night, and engaged another player. (unfortunately a tad too near to the sentry guns)
I think Viceroy generally sums it up very well, he talks a lot of sense. But Adrianna dear, you have been a whiner since I first came across you. I recall one of your first posts being about thieves stealing your ore and how you should be left alone in 1.0 to stripmine it. Your next post was about the rats in 0.4 being too tough though!!
Honestly, have you ever thought that EVE may not be the right game for you? I have you down more as a ''Britney's dance party'' on the PS2 type myself
Channel TOOKURSTUFF, serving the Criminal community.
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Sub 7
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Posted - 2004.07.14 12:53:00 -
[85]
I think it'll be a damn shame if they abolish theft altogether with their criminal flagging system. I'm with you, theves add a nice balance to jet can mining. The only balance it might need is a small increase in size of secure cans and a small decrease for jet cans.
It'll be a damn shame if there's no longer any risk for the 1.0 smacktalking jet can uber strip miners.
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Sub 7
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Posted - 2004.07.14 12:53:00 -
[86]
I think it'll be a damn shame if they abolish theft altogether with their criminal flagging system. I'm with you, theves add a nice balance to jet can mining. The only balance it might need is a small increase in size of secure cans and a small decrease for jet cans.
It'll be a damn shame if there's no longer any risk for the 1.0 smacktalking jet can uber strip miners.
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flummox
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Posted - 2004.07.14 13:57:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Viceroy
Originally by: flummox
Edited by: flummox on 13/07/2004 19:14:39
it seems to be the only thing you open your mouth for.
and they "were" removed, which is past-tense. i don't recall seeing you open your trap for those things. you've been toungue-in-cheeking the "ore liberation" for quite some time now. which is why i asked about you "targeting" jetcan mining/ore thieves.
it's stealing Viceroy. just admit it. or aren't you man enough? c'mon, brother! eat a taco and be my muchacho!
Ok now you've started to make zero sense. I recommend immediate unplugging of your keyboard and a reality check.
My stance on everything has been the same for ages. I thought kestrel ganking was overpowered, i think you should use secure cans when mining in secure space.
Simple as that mr.nobody.
it makes sense.
mr. nobody. lol... like i really care that you don't find me popular or in your little click of friends...
please oh please let me be your keyboard buddy Viceroy. i swear i'll lick your boots and make you think you are actually witty when you regurgitate age-old jokes and redundant information.
you're like that bad spinoff Three's a Crowd. kinda funny, but only if you like the same jokes over and over again...
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
flummox
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Posted - 2004.07.14 13:57:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Viceroy
Originally by: flummox
Edited by: flummox on 13/07/2004 19:14:39
it seems to be the only thing you open your mouth for.
and they "were" removed, which is past-tense. i don't recall seeing you open your trap for those things. you've been toungue-in-cheeking the "ore liberation" for quite some time now. which is why i asked about you "targeting" jetcan mining/ore thieves.
it's stealing Viceroy. just admit it. or aren't you man enough? c'mon, brother! eat a taco and be my muchacho!
Ok now you've started to make zero sense. I recommend immediate unplugging of your keyboard and a reality check.
My stance on everything has been the same for ages. I thought kestrel ganking was overpowered, i think you should use secure cans when mining in secure space.
Simple as that mr.nobody.
it makes sense.
mr. nobody. lol... like i really care that you don't find me popular or in your little click of friends...
please oh please let me be your keyboard buddy Viceroy. i swear i'll lick your boots and make you think you are actually witty when you regurgitate age-old jokes and redundant information.
you're like that bad spinoff Three's a Crowd. kinda funny, but only if you like the same jokes over and over again...
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
Lustralis
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Posted - 2004.07.14 14:35:00 -
[89]
Stealing ore is fine in my opinion. The only trouble is it generally happens to n00bs who rush back to station to get their civilian gattler, then rush back to take on the thief. Well, Concorde sorts out the mess. Its pretty much risk free for the thief (apart from reputation). We do need a criminal flagging system, but how to make this unexploitable is a complete mystery to me.
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Lustralis
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Posted - 2004.07.14 14:35:00 -
[90]
Stealing ore is fine in my opinion. The only trouble is it generally happens to n00bs who rush back to station to get their civilian gattler, then rush back to take on the thief. Well, Concorde sorts out the mess. Its pretty much risk free for the thief (apart from reputation). We do need a criminal flagging system, but how to make this unexploitable is a complete mystery to me.
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Domalais
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Posted - 2004.07.14 14:39:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Viceroy
Mining with jetcan = High profit
Risk of getting robbed = High Risk
Mining with secure can = Less Profit
No risk of getting robbed = Less (none actually) risk
Mining with jetcan = high profit
Risk of getting robbed = high risk
Stealing from jetcan miners = high profit
___________________________ = high risk
Fill in the blank.
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Domalais
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Posted - 2004.07.14 14:39:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Viceroy
Mining with jetcan = High profit
Risk of getting robbed = High Risk
Mining with secure can = Less Profit
No risk of getting robbed = Less (none actually) risk
Mining with jetcan = high profit
Risk of getting robbed = high risk
Stealing from jetcan miners = high profit
___________________________ = high risk
Fill in the blank.
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Tenaj
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Posted - 2004.07.14 14:54:00 -
[93]
It'd be a shame if they criminally flag jet can thieves for a few reasons:
1. It'll give the green light to BS strip miners in 1.0 and before we know it those systems will be empty again. Noobs will be driven into lower sec systems where they'll have problems dealing with NPC rats.
2. What about all the poor sods who bought giant secure cans and do their mining the hard way? Those things aren't cheap and would become virtually worthless overnight
3. What about the players who produce secure cans and spent good money on the BP's?
4. What about ME? I go to a lot of trouble to find your cans you know, I should expect some sort of reward when I get there
CCP has a perfectly good mechanism in secure cans for beating thieves. It'd be really dumb to just cave in to the whiners and give them a virtually limitless 'secure' jet can. Regardless of the rights and wrongs of stealing, we ALL know that CCP never intended jet cans to be used this way.
Channel TOOKURSTUFF, serving the Criminal community.
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Tenaj
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Posted - 2004.07.14 14:54:00 -
[94]
It'd be a shame if they criminally flag jet can thieves for a few reasons:
1. It'll give the green light to BS strip miners in 1.0 and before we know it those systems will be empty again. Noobs will be driven into lower sec systems where they'll have problems dealing with NPC rats.
2. What about all the poor sods who bought giant secure cans and do their mining the hard way? Those things aren't cheap and would become virtually worthless overnight
3. What about the players who produce secure cans and spent good money on the BP's?
4. What about ME? I go to a lot of trouble to find your cans you know, I should expect some sort of reward when I get there
CCP has a perfectly good mechanism in secure cans for beating thieves. It'd be really dumb to just cave in to the whiners and give them a virtually limitless 'secure' jet can. Regardless of the rights and wrongs of stealing, we ALL know that CCP never intended jet cans to be used this way.
Channel TOOKURSTUFF, serving the Criminal community.
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Sebest
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Posted - 2004.07.14 15:38:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Viceroy
Ok how about this;
The original concept of mining was to mine into your CARGO HOLD and docking to empty it.
Jetcan mining wasnt intended, its a player invention.
You're saying ore theives get all reward for no risk.
Its the same with jetcan mining, you get a huge cargo container, aka lots of reward, for no risk (If ore theives didnt exist that is).
Your entire case is a contradiction. You want mining in secure space to be easier for yourself so you can mine the crap out of those 1.0 system intended for newbies; newbies who SURPRISINGLY mine to their cargo holds like it was intended.
Move into 0.7- and use secure cans. Jetcans werent intended for mining, they create means to gain more profit that was intended by the original "cargo mining" idea. Their downside is that they can be opened by anyone, and thanks to our good ore thief community you people cant ripp off 1.0 systems in apocs with 8 miner2s and get away with.
Your entire "personal vendetta" fantasy is just a crappy idea made up in your self-interest that will never be implemented.
Contraband flagging will be in soon, i dont see what you're whining about.
Go ore thieves go. Teach the greedy lazy stripmining monkeys to use secure cans.
I completly agree, if you dont want it stolen, keep it in your cargo hold!!!!
I think that I may have to try my hand at this ore thieveing bit, sounds like fun.
Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. -- Mark Twain
I'm not saying my wife's a bad cook, but she uses a smoke alarm as a timer.-- Bob Monkhouse
Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
-- Terry Pratchett |
Sebest
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Posted - 2004.07.14 15:38:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Viceroy
Ok how about this;
The original concept of mining was to mine into your CARGO HOLD and docking to empty it.
Jetcan mining wasnt intended, its a player invention.
You're saying ore theives get all reward for no risk.
Its the same with jetcan mining, you get a huge cargo container, aka lots of reward, for no risk (If ore theives didnt exist that is).
Your entire case is a contradiction. You want mining in secure space to be easier for yourself so you can mine the crap out of those 1.0 system intended for newbies; newbies who SURPRISINGLY mine to their cargo holds like it was intended.
Move into 0.7- and use secure cans. Jetcans werent intended for mining, they create means to gain more profit that was intended by the original "cargo mining" idea. Their downside is that they can be opened by anyone, and thanks to our good ore thief community you people cant ripp off 1.0 systems in apocs with 8 miner2s and get away with.
Your entire "personal vendetta" fantasy is just a crappy idea made up in your self-interest that will never be implemented.
Contraband flagging will be in soon, i dont see what you're whining about.
Go ore thieves go. Teach the greedy lazy stripmining monkeys to use secure cans.
I completly agree, if you dont want it stolen, keep it in your cargo hold!!!!
I think that I may have to try my hand at this ore thieveing bit, sounds like fun.
Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. -- Mark Twain
I'm not saying my wife's a bad cook, but she uses a smoke alarm as a timer.-- Bob Monkhouse
Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
-- Terry Pratchett |
Kin Hanyerec
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Posted - 2004.07.14 15:46:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Tenaj
4. What about ME? I go to a lot of trouble to find your cans you know, I should expect some sort of reward when I get there
Ore thieving is a way to make money, right.
But don't be so proud of it... you seems to be happy to tell people that you steal ore from cans.
This only shows that you are a loser that deserves to die.  |
Kin Hanyerec
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Posted - 2004.07.14 15:46:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Tenaj
4. What about ME? I go to a lot of trouble to find your cans you know, I should expect some sort of reward when I get there
Ore thieving is a way to make money, right.
But don't be so proud of it... you seems to be happy to tell people that you steal ore from cans.
This only shows that you are a loser that deserves to die. |
Zatuko
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Posted - 2004.07.14 16:31:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Kin Hanyerec
Originally by: Tenaj
4. What about ME? I go to a lot of trouble to find your cans you know, I should expect some sort of reward when I get there
Ore thieving is a way to make money, right.
But don't be so proud of it... you seems to be happy to tell people that you steal ore from cans.
This only shows that you are a loser that deserves to die.
Oh come on its A GAME!!!! the good thing about eve is that it allows people to be naughty or nice. I know lets take away everything ingame that has the potential to **** us off. So, npc's? out! pvp? out! missions? out!
things happening that can **** us off is part of the game (at least if its in the spirit of the game's conception), and pirating and thievery and ganking and scamming are all to be expected in a sim that is supposed to be immersive.
If people dont like this then they can go play solitaire.
Ciao
_______________________________
Th3 CHee5E......5T@Y 4w4y PHr0m +EH cH33S3!
[ 2004.09.12 00:37:04 ] (combat) Your Modal Light Neutron Particle Accelerator I perfectly strikes Sansha's Ravisher, wrecking for 226.6 damage.
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Zatuko
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Posted - 2004.07.14 16:31:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Kin Hanyerec
Originally by: Tenaj
4. What about ME? I go to a lot of trouble to find your cans you know, I should expect some sort of reward when I get there
Ore thieving is a way to make money, right.
But don't be so proud of it... you seems to be happy to tell people that you steal ore from cans.
This only shows that you are a loser that deserves to die.
Oh come on its A GAME!!!! the good thing about eve is that it allows people to be naughty or nice. I know lets take away everything ingame that has the potential to **** us off. So, npc's? out! pvp? out! missions? out!
things happening that can **** us off is part of the game (at least if its in the spirit of the game's conception), and pirating and thievery and ganking and scamming are all to be expected in a sim that is supposed to be immersive.
If people dont like this then they can go play solitaire.
Ciao
_______________________________
Th3 CHee5E......5T@Y 4w4y PHr0m +EH cH33S3!
[ 2004.09.12 00:37:04 ] (combat) Your Modal Light Neutron Particle Accelerator I perfectly strikes Sansha's Ravisher, wrecking for 226.6 damage.
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Trader Klyde
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Posted - 2004.07.14 16:35:00 -
[101]
Personally, I think the best remedy would be to decrease the size of the jet can below that of the smallest secure can. It would make the choice very easy for everyone.
If that was done, only the new players would use a jet can until they could afford the skill and secure cans.
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From deep in space where nobody hears my screams...
Sometimes in fear, sometimes in anger, mostly just my singing style. |
Trader Klyde
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Posted - 2004.07.14 16:35:00 -
[102]
Personally, I think the best remedy would be to decrease the size of the jet can below that of the smallest secure can. It would make the choice very easy for everyone.
If that was done, only the new players would use a jet can until they could afford the skill and secure cans.
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From deep in space where nobody hears my screams...
Sometimes in fear, sometimes in anger, mostly just my singing style. |
Fetty Chico
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Posted - 2004.07.14 17:11:00 -
[103]
..thieves whinein dat people get ta shoot at dem?
i wonder if it be crimials dat sue over gun laws dat allow peoples to own assualt weps
if people wanted ta strip 1.0 an 0.9 dey wound
just takes 2 people, one in a indy and one in a bs minin
ore theivies only be annoyin solo heavy miners
and if ya claiming you protectin rocks, look at it dis way
those extra one o 2 guns and attacks drones be a few less lasers cutting rock which slows de number o cans, so see
criminal flaggin is in a way givin ya what ya want
and it gives ore theft a risk too
Balance fo all
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Tell my tale to those who ask.
Tell it truly - the ill deeds, along with the good - and let me be judged accordingly.
If this world was supposed to be friendly
CCP wouldnt have wasted time paying the devs to code so many weapons |
Fetty Chico
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Posted - 2004.07.14 17:11:00 -
[104]
..thieves whinein dat people get ta shoot at dem?
i wonder if it be crimials dat sue over gun laws dat allow peoples to own assualt weps
if people wanted ta strip 1.0 an 0.9 dey wound
just takes 2 people, one in a indy and one in a bs minin
ore theivies only be annoyin solo heavy miners
and if ya claiming you protectin rocks, look at it dis way
those extra one o 2 guns and attacks drones be a few less lasers cutting rock which slows de number o cans, so see
criminal flaggin is in a way givin ya what ya want
and it gives ore theft a risk too
Balance fo all
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Tell my tale to those who ask.
Tell it truly - the ill deeds, along with the good - and let me be judged accordingly.
If this world was supposed to be friendly
CCP wouldnt have wasted time paying the devs to code so many weapons |
Tenaj
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Posted - 2004.07.14 18:02:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Kin Hanyerec
Originally by: Tenaj
4. What about ME? I go to a lot of trouble to find your cans you know, I should expect some sort of reward when I get there
Ore thieving is a way to make money, right.
But don't be so proud of it... you seems to be happy to tell people that you steal ore from cans.
This only shows that you are a loser that deserves to die.
Lol, i AM proud of it. Never really thought of myself as the loser when someone mines all night and I walk away with the proceeds though.
Channel TOOKURSTUFF, serving the Criminal community.
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Tenaj
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Posted - 2004.07.14 18:02:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Kin Hanyerec
Originally by: Tenaj
4. What about ME? I go to a lot of trouble to find your cans you know, I should expect some sort of reward when I get there
Ore thieving is a way to make money, right.
But don't be so proud of it... you seems to be happy to tell people that you steal ore from cans.
This only shows that you are a loser that deserves to die.
Lol, i AM proud of it. Never really thought of myself as the loser when someone mines all night and I walk away with the proceeds though.
Channel TOOKURSTUFF, serving the Criminal community.
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Veneth
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Posted - 2004.07.14 18:57:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Veneth on 14/07/2004 18:58:07
Hah It's Bulls*** to say that jet cans where not meant for mining. If CCP reaaally did not mean for this to happen they would of shrunk down jet can sizes. or made them not live so long. OR have given you the ability to dump your mined ore into an indy
Deployable cans are a joke, always have and always will be.
Ore thieves are pretty lame players I've been robbed in .5 space while mining in my probe. it's pretty sad when you just have to watch them rip you off :)
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Veneth
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Posted - 2004.07.14 18:57:00 -
[108]
Edited by: Veneth on 14/07/2004 18:58:07
Hah It's Bulls*** to say that jet cans where not meant for mining. If CCP reaaally did not mean for this to happen they would of shrunk down jet can sizes. or made them not live so long. OR have given you the ability to dump your mined ore into an indy
Deployable cans are a joke, always have and always will be.
Ore thieves are pretty lame players I've been robbed in .5 space while mining in my probe. it's pretty sad when you just have to watch them rip you off :)
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.14 19:02:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Veneth
Hah It's Bulls*** to say that jet cans where not meant for mining.
The regular containers were designed to jettison unwanted items into space or to hold loot from blown up ships. They were designed so that any player could take from them because that was essential for them to function as they were intended. Players later invented the "container mining" method after noticing that the containers could hold way more than any cargo hold. This use for the containers was never intended and it has the obvious flaw that any player with a reduced sense of right and wrong can come by and take everything from the container and no one can do anything about it.
Owned.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.14 19:02:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Veneth
Hah It's Bulls*** to say that jet cans where not meant for mining.
The regular containers were designed to jettison unwanted items into space or to hold loot from blown up ships. They were designed so that any player could take from them because that was essential for them to function as they were intended. Players later invented the "container mining" method after noticing that the containers could hold way more than any cargo hold. This use for the containers was never intended and it has the obvious flaw that any player with a reduced sense of right and wrong can come by and take everything from the container and no one can do anything about it.
Owned.
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MineallMine
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Posted - 2004.07.14 21:35:00 -
[111]
Edited by: MineallMine on 14/07/2004 21:38:36
Quote:
Players who are thinking of taking up a career as ore thiefs should note that they will face a lifetime of unpopularity and unhappiness as a result.
That's from the same FAQ. Adriana's original point is that now, the ability of peeved miners to make an ore thief's life miserable is lacking. Really the best a miner can do at this point is keep bumping the indy so the thief can't get into warp.
As it currently stands, if the thief is in an NPC corp the miner is SOL. Adriana's idea is good at heart but what happens when a miner declares "vendetta" against an ore thief and then the ore thief shows up in a BS in Empire and blows the miner to pieces. That sounds kind of fun to me, I can only imagine what the sociopath ore-stealers would do with that.
The simple solution is that a can can only be opened by the miner and his/her gang members for its first 3-4 minutes. This way the miners can't be as "lazy" and if a miner were to fill up more than one can they would be vulnerable to theft.
The bottom line is an ore thief should never cost you more than an hour of your time, which is certainly a pain in the butt, but not worth changing the game dynamics.
And for all you "liberators" out there, the only thing you are taking is the time that some other player invested in the game. Maybe they are stripping fields with a corp, maybe they are mining mins for their first BS, either way you are negating that miner's efforts for your personal gain. It is as boring as hell to sit in a belt hour after hour mining those minerals that everyone in the game needs, and ore thieves spit on that effort while assuming absolutely NO risk.
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MineallMine
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Posted - 2004.07.14 21:35:00 -
[112]
Edited by: MineallMine on 14/07/2004 21:38:36
Quote:
Players who are thinking of taking up a career as ore thiefs should note that they will face a lifetime of unpopularity and unhappiness as a result.
That's from the same FAQ. Adriana's original point is that now, the ability of peeved miners to make an ore thief's life miserable is lacking. Really the best a miner can do at this point is keep bumping the indy so the thief can't get into warp.
As it currently stands, if the thief is in an NPC corp the miner is SOL. Adriana's idea is good at heart but what happens when a miner declares "vendetta" against an ore thief and then the ore thief shows up in a BS in Empire and blows the miner to pieces. That sounds kind of fun to me, I can only imagine what the sociopath ore-stealers would do with that.
The simple solution is that a can can only be opened by the miner and his/her gang members for its first 3-4 minutes. This way the miners can't be as "lazy" and if a miner were to fill up more than one can they would be vulnerable to theft.
The bottom line is an ore thief should never cost you more than an hour of your time, which is certainly a pain in the butt, but not worth changing the game dynamics.
And for all you "liberators" out there, the only thing you are taking is the time that some other player invested in the game. Maybe they are stripping fields with a corp, maybe they are mining mins for their first BS, either way you are negating that miner's efforts for your personal gain. It is as boring as hell to sit in a belt hour after hour mining those minerals that everyone in the game needs, and ore thieves spit on that effort while assuming absolutely NO risk.
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Bobbeh
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Posted - 2004.07.14 22:21:00 -
[113]
Originally by: MineallMine
Edited by: MineallMine on 14/07/2004 21:38:36
Quote:
Players who are thinking of taking up a career as ore thiefs should note that they will face a lifetime of unpopularity and unhappiness as a result.
That's from the same FAQ. Adriana's original point is that now, the ability of peeved miners to make an ore thief's life miserable is lacking.
Incorrect. What they can do is mine in 0.6 and lower with secure cans, that will **** ore thieves off when they see a group mining and travel 5 jumps to get there and then finds out he cant nick it.
Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking. |
Bobbeh
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Posted - 2004.07.14 22:21:00 -
[114]
Originally by: MineallMine
Edited by: MineallMine on 14/07/2004 21:38:36
Quote:
Players who are thinking of taking up a career as ore thiefs should note that they will face a lifetime of unpopularity and unhappiness as a result.
That's from the same FAQ. Adriana's original point is that now, the ability of peeved miners to make an ore thief's life miserable is lacking.
Incorrect. What they can do is mine in 0.6 and lower with secure cans, that will **** ore thieves off when they see a group mining and travel 5 jumps to get there and then finds out he cant nick it.
Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking. |
mafish
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Posted - 2004.07.15 01:09:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Viceroy
Originally by: Veneth
Hah It's Bulls*** to say that jet cans where not meant for mining.
The regular containers were designed to jettison unwanted items into space or to hold loot from blown up ships. They were designed so that any player could take from them because that was essential for them to function as they were intended. Players later invented the "container mining" method after noticing that the containers could hold way more than any cargo hold. This use for the containers was never intended and it has the obvious flaw that any player with a reduced sense of right and wrong can come by and take everything from the container and no one can do anything about it.
Owned.
lol pwned tbh
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mafish
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Posted - 2004.07.15 01:09:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Viceroy
Originally by: Veneth
Hah It's Bulls*** to say that jet cans where not meant for mining.
The regular containers were designed to jettison unwanted items into space or to hold loot from blown up ships. They were designed so that any player could take from them because that was essential for them to function as they were intended. Players later invented the "container mining" method after noticing that the containers could hold way more than any cargo hold. This use for the containers was never intended and it has the obvious flaw that any player with a reduced sense of right and wrong can come by and take everything from the container and no one can do anything about it.
Owned.
lol pwned tbh
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Excavation Svcs
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Posted - 2004.07.15 02:07:00 -
[117]
Attention all miners, jet cans will most likely not be included in Shivas criminal flagging system because they are supposed to be unwanted trash.
Too bad!
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Excavation Svcs
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Posted - 2004.07.15 02:07:00 -
[118]
Attention all miners, jet cans will most likely not be included in Shivas criminal flagging system because they are supposed to be unwanted trash.
Too bad!
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Broc Vallion
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Posted - 2004.07.15 07:05:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Viceroy
Originally by: Veneth
Hah It's Bulls*** to say that jet cans where not meant for mining.
The regular containers were designed to jettison unwanted items into space or to hold loot from blown up ships. They were designed so that any player could take from them because that was essential for them to function as they were intended. Players later invented the "container mining" method after noticing that the containers could hold way more than any cargo hold. This use for the containers was never intended and it has the obvious flaw that any player with a reduced sense of right and wrong can come by and take everything from the container and no one can do anything about it.
Owned.
You know why you cant put A low slot mod in a high slot......because thats the way its programed
ccp could easily change the code so that ore could not go into jetty cans or limit the amought a jetty
can could contain, nothing hard in that....people have been able to mine into jetty cans because
thats the way CCP wanted it......it would have been very easy to change this had they desired too.
The fact is, if people couldnt mine into jetty cans the Eve economy wouldn't be half what it is today
thats why it wasnt changed.....it gave the game balance.....
If they had increased the cargo hold of ships more then you either not see haulers much
or they would have even larger cargo holds....in which case there'd be fewer of them , fewer for pirates
like you to gate gank.........now we wouldnt want that would we?
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Broc Vallion
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Posted - 2004.07.15 07:05:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Viceroy
Originally by: Veneth
Hah It's Bulls*** to say that jet cans where not meant for mining.
The regular containers were designed to jettison unwanted items into space or to hold loot from blown up ships. They were designed so that any player could take from them because that was essential for them to function as they were intended. Players later invented the "container mining" method after noticing that the containers could hold way more than any cargo hold. This use for the containers was never intended and it has the obvious flaw that any player with a reduced sense of right and wrong can come by and take everything from the container and no one can do anything about it.
Owned.
You know why you cant put A low slot mod in a high slot......because thats the way its programed
ccp could easily change the code so that ore could not go into jetty cans or limit the amought a jetty
can could contain, nothing hard in that....people have been able to mine into jetty cans because
thats the way CCP wanted it......it would have been very easy to change this had they desired too.
The fact is, if people couldnt mine into jetty cans the Eve economy wouldn't be half what it is today
thats why it wasnt changed.....it gave the game balance.....
If they had increased the cargo hold of ships more then you either not see haulers much
or they would have even larger cargo holds....in which case there'd be fewer of them , fewer for pirates
like you to gate gank.........now we wouldnt want that would we?
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.15 08:47:00 -
[121]
My dear Broc,
The above is a quote from the customer support page of this website. It is not my personal opinion of this matter, it is the offical stance of CCP.
Thanks.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.15 08:47:00 -
[122]
My dear Broc,
The above is a quote from the customer support page of this website. It is not my personal opinion of this matter, it is the offical stance of CCP.
Thanks.
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Broc Vallion
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Posted - 2004.07.15 08:49:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Viceroy
My dear Broc,
The above is a quote from the customer support page of this website. It is not my personal opinion of this matter, it is the offical stance of CCP.
Thanks.
I stand by my logic...........that official stance is for people with none
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Broc Vallion
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Posted - 2004.07.15 08:49:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Viceroy
My dear Broc,
The above is a quote from the customer support page of this website. It is not my personal opinion of this matter, it is the offical stance of CCP.
Thanks.
I stand by my logic...........that official stance is for people with none
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Bucon
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Posted - 2004.07.15 09:57:00 -
[125]
Why do you refer to this phenomenon as "ore stealing" ?
There is no stealing involved.
They are merely salvaging garbage from floating cans that contains discarded ore.
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Bucon
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Posted - 2004.07.15 09:57:00 -
[126]
Why do you refer to this phenomenon as "ore stealing" ?
There is no stealing involved.
They are merely salvaging garbage from floating cans that contains discarded ore.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.15 10:54:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Broc Vallion
Originally by: Viceroy
My dear Broc,
The above is a quote from the customer support page of this website. It is not my personal opinion of this matter, it is the offical stance of CCP.
Thanks.
I stand by my logic...........that official stance is for people with none
lol, ok. I hope the Dev team comes around to see your divine logic one day.
Until then, its the offical stance that counts, not the twisted "logical" opinion of some random person.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.15 10:54:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Broc Vallion
Originally by: Viceroy
My dear Broc,
The above is a quote from the customer support page of this website. It is not my personal opinion of this matter, it is the offical stance of CCP.
Thanks.
I stand by my logic...........that official stance is for people with none
lol, ok. I hope the Dev team comes around to see your divine logic one day.
Until then, its the offical stance that counts, not the twisted "logical" opinion of some random person.
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flummox
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Posted - 2004.07.15 13:56:00 -
[129]
Edited by: flummox on 15/07/2004 14:01:20
Originally by: Viceroy
Originally by: Veneth
Hah It's Bulls*** to say that jet cans where not meant for mining.
The regular containers were designed to jettison unwanted items into space or to hold loot from blown up ships. They were designed so that any player could take from them because that was essential for them to function as they were intended. Players later invented the "container mining" method after noticing that the containers could hold way more than any cargo hold. This use for the containers was never intended and it has the obvious flaw that any player with a reduced sense of right and wrong can come by and take everything from the container and no one can do anything about it.
Owned.
ha ha ha. according to "the official rules" you have a reduced sense of right and wrong...
losers
EDIT: when i said "you" i meant ore thieves...
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
flummox
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Posted - 2004.07.15 13:56:00 -
[130]
Edited by: flummox on 15/07/2004 14:01:20
Originally by: Viceroy
Originally by: Veneth
Hah It's Bulls*** to say that jet cans where not meant for mining.
The regular containers were designed to jettison unwanted items into space or to hold loot from blown up ships. They were designed so that any player could take from them because that was essential for them to function as they were intended. Players later invented the "container mining" method after noticing that the containers could hold way more than any cargo hold. This use for the containers was never intended and it has the obvious flaw that any player with a reduced sense of right and wrong can come by and take everything from the container and no one can do anything about it.
Owned.
ha ha ha. according to "the official rules" you have a reduced sense of right and wrong...
losers
EDIT: when i said "you" i meant ore thieves...
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
Barth3zzzNL
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Posted - 2004.07.15 14:08:00 -
[131]
Edited by: Barth3zzzNL on 15/07/2004 14:14:54
Originally by: Bobbeh
which suggests CCP is telling these huge scale miners to operate below 0.7.....
Any smart ore thief works in 0.5/0.6 or 0.7 simply because far better ores are there.
People always whine that miners shouldnt be allowed to mine in Empire and theyre alsonot allowed to come out in 0.0and suck on alliance claimed Bistot roids.
Where do you suggest they go?
Edit: You shoot people who are in the same corp as you.
Want to kill an ore thief? Join their n00b corp! 
I think ill go train an alt with basic frigate/missile skills, should only take a week 
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Barth3zzzNL
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Posted - 2004.07.15 14:08:00 -
[132]
Edited by: Barth3zzzNL on 15/07/2004 14:14:54
Originally by: Bobbeh
which suggests CCP is telling these huge scale miners to operate below 0.7.....
Any smart ore thief works in 0.5/0.6 or 0.7 simply because far better ores are there.
People always whine that miners shouldnt be allowed to mine in Empire and theyre alsonot allowed to come out in 0.0and suck on alliance claimed Bistot roids.
Where do you suggest they go?
Edit: You shoot people who are in the same corp as you.
Want to kill an ore thief? Join their n00b corp!
I think ill go train an alt with basic frigate/missile skills, should only take a week
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Dire Wolf
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Posted - 2004.07.15 15:49:00 -
[133]
hmm i jetcan mine in 0.4 systems make good profits and have yet to see an ore thief. if one comes along and takes my ore, oh well, chalk it up as a lose. of caurse, thats if they can get away before i destroy them. wow yea i can shoot them oh wait you mine in high sec space. guess you need to just accept that you lost some money and get over it. |
Dire Wolf
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Posted - 2004.07.15 15:49:00 -
[134]
hmm i jetcan mine in 0.4 systems make good profits and have yet to see an ore thief. if one comes along and takes my ore, oh well, chalk it up as a lose. of caurse, thats if they can get away before i destroy them. wow yea i can shoot them oh wait you mine in high sec space. guess you need to just accept that you lost some money and get over it. |
Helplessandlost
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Posted - 2004.07.15 16:53:00 -
[135]
What I think is funny is I offer the ore relocators to help themselves to some of my ore I mean I can't do anything about it regardless of whether it is right or wrong, mind you I've never yet ever seen one in a .4 even though I Jet Can mine there as well. I usually just ask them not to pop my can's as that can be a hassle. I also never mine to a Jet Can without an Indy in the neighborhood doing my hauling so they are not likely to get much. Funny thing though even when I have offered to allow the ore liberators to help clean up my ore they just usually leave. Wonder why? Most recent excuse? "You weren't leaving enough in the can for me to fill up my probe" Gee you mean if you have to wait for a few minutes for it to appear so you can pull it out it's not worth it?
Check us out
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Helplessandlost
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Posted - 2004.07.15 16:53:00 -
[136]
What I think is funny is I offer the ore relocators to help themselves to some of my ore I mean I can't do anything about it regardless of whether it is right or wrong, mind you I've never yet ever seen one in a .4 even though I Jet Can mine there as well. I usually just ask them not to pop my can's as that can be a hassle. I also never mine to a Jet Can without an Indy in the neighborhood doing my hauling so they are not likely to get much. Funny thing though even when I have offered to allow the ore liberators to help clean up my ore they just usually leave. Wonder why? Most recent excuse? "You weren't leaving enough in the can for me to fill up my probe" Gee you mean if you have to wait for a few minutes for it to appear so you can pull it out it's not worth it?
Check us out
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ClarCE
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Posted - 2004.07.15 17:01:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Viceroy
*yawn*
Here's a better idea; Use secure cans.
Ok, its a very old argument Vice, but you got to admit its still pretty lame to do something like that, game or no game. Yes people should be using secure cans, but NO people should always be operating within 'Action, Reaction' - Bring on Shiva...
--'The Way is Shut'--
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ClarCE
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Posted - 2004.07.15 17:01:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Viceroy
*yawn*
Here's a better idea; Use secure cans.
Ok, its a very old argument Vice, but you got to admit its still pretty lame to do something like that, game or no game. Yes people should be using secure cans, but NO people should always be operating within 'Action, Reaction' - Bring on Shiva...
--'The Way is Shut'--
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Jenny...Get to the Chopper---Stick Around
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Excavation Svcs
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Posted - 2004.07.15 18:04:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Dire Wolf
hmm i jetcan mine in 0.4 systems make good profits and have yet to see an ore thief. if one comes along and takes my ore, oh well, chalk it up as a lose. of caurse, thats if they can get away before i destroy them. wow yea i can shoot them oh wait you mine in high sec space. guess you need to just accept that you lost some money and get over it.
Tssk, you forgeting maybe one tiny thing...the ore thieves in 0.4 are called pirates, they don't only steal your ore, they also blow you out of the sky with some friends. |
Excavation Svcs
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Posted - 2004.07.15 18:04:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Dire Wolf
hmm i jetcan mine in 0.4 systems make good profits and have yet to see an ore thief. if one comes along and takes my ore, oh well, chalk it up as a lose. of caurse, thats if they can get away before i destroy them. wow yea i can shoot them oh wait you mine in high sec space. guess you need to just accept that you lost some money and get over it.
Tssk, you forgeting maybe one tiny thing...the ore thieves in 0.4 are called pirates, they don't only steal your ore, they also blow you out of the sky with some friends. |
Helplessandlost
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Posted - 2004.07.15 20:46:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Excavation Svcs
Originally by: Dire Wolf
hmm i jetcan mine in 0.4 systems make good profits and have yet to see an ore thief. if one comes along and takes my ore, oh well, chalk it up as a lose. of caurse, thats if they can get away before i destroy them. wow yea i can shoot them oh wait you mine in high sec space. guess you need to just accept that you lost some money and get over it.
Tssk, you forgeting maybe one tiny thing...the ore thieves in 0.4 are called pirates, they don't only steal your ore, they also blow you out of the sky with some friends.
Ahh, but at least they are willing to take some risk; that miner in a .4 might just have some bite back
Check us out
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Helplessandlost
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Posted - 2004.07.15 20:46:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Excavation Svcs
Originally by: Dire Wolf
hmm i jetcan mine in 0.4 systems make good profits and have yet to see an ore thief. if one comes along and takes my ore, oh well, chalk it up as a lose. of caurse, thats if they can get away before i destroy them. wow yea i can shoot them oh wait you mine in high sec space. guess you need to just accept that you lost some money and get over it.
Tssk, you forgeting maybe one tiny thing...the ore thieves in 0.4 are called pirates, they don't only steal your ore, they also blow you out of the sky with some friends.
Ahh, but at least they are willing to take some risk; that miner in a .4 might just have some bite back
Check us out
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.07.15 22:07:00 -
[143]
Enough about ore thieves already. They are harmless. Like the little fuzzy things on that one star trek episode.
What's so ironic is that people who mine in secure space make them reproduce.
Our small corp moved into .4 space about week 3 of the game and has been there since. Well now it's .3 space but whatever. We were there with our frigates (probes and bantams) and me in a badger II.
It just happens to be on a shortest route to Obe which has been one of the premiere pirate points since day one of the game.
Viceroy is actually right. You have three distinct options against ore thieves:
1) mine to a secure can. (didn't exist btw when I used to mine)
2) Move to .4 or below.
3) Deal with the losses.
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.07.15 22:07:00 -
[144]
Enough about ore thieves already. They are harmless. Like the little fuzzy things on that one star trek episode.
What's so ironic is that people who mine in secure space make them reproduce.
Our small corp moved into .4 space about week 3 of the game and has been there since. Well now it's .3 space but whatever. We were there with our frigates (probes and bantams) and me in a badger II.
It just happens to be on a shortest route to Obe which has been one of the premiere pirate points since day one of the game.
Viceroy is actually right. You have three distinct options against ore thieves:
1) mine to a secure can. (didn't exist btw when I used to mine)
2) Move to .4 or below.
3) Deal with the losses.
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