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lanyaie 25	Posted - 2012.04.09 21:38:00 - [31] - Quote So holdd on you're saying my supercarrie should not be able to get killed by anything worth less then about 20b? SWEEEEEEET I want ccp to implent a patch now I dont post often, but when I do i'm probably trolling you
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 3293	Posted - 2012.04.09 21:38:00 - [32] - Quote Avila Cracko wrote: Malcanis wrote: Avila Cracko wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: If a Destroyer is killing your Hulk before CONCORD came and killed him, you are doing something wrong. Either your Hulk fit is crap or you aren't paying attention to your game and deserve to die. So...yes...Destroyer vs 325mil is in fact, balanced. If you fit your Hulk for EHP and not max yield you can you will still die from one Tornado. That's not balanced at all. If you fit your hulk with shield rigs, shield buffer mids and one Damage Controls in low you should be safe for ganking. A full tank fitted hulk can have something like 33k ehp Please, please, please give mi that fit... subtract like 10k and you have your number. My pleasure. 3 t2 strips Meta 4 MSE, 2x T2 Invulns, t2 em resist amp T2 DCU, T2 MAPC 2 X CFDEs My EFT shows 36933 Ehp vs omni damage type with the orca having a mining mindlink, worst is vs thermal. You get 39651 if you give the orca pilot a shield mindlink but then you might a well use a vulture A boosting tengu takes it to 42788.... Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 3293	Posted - 2012.04.09 21:42:00 - [33] - Quote Btw did you know that 1400mm arty has truly atrocious tracking? Try orbiting your can at 2500m or so. It makes a surprising difference. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Dbars Grinding Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 431	Posted - 2012.04.09 21:44:00 - [34] - Quote fk it. canceled my sub. I have more space likes than you.-á
Karl Hobb Imperial Margarine 88	Posted - 2012.04.09 21:46:00 - [35] - Quote Dbars Grinding wrote: fk it. canceled my sub. \o/ "Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia
Lyron-Baktos Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle 84	Posted - 2012.04.09 21:48:00 - [36] - Quote Get a friend or two to escort you while you mine. One decent battlecruiser probably would have scared off the attackers or at least possibly give you a bit of time to make your escape. On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1495	Posted - 2012.04.09 21:53:00 - [37] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Btw did you know that 1400mm arty has truly atrocious tracking? Try orbiting your can at 2500m or so. It makes a surprising difference. Very true and a good point when dealing with Tornado's. Personally I think I'd prefer to be aligned at 3/4 speed to one of two roughly opposite celestials (preferably stations) while monitoring D Scan. The better mining equipment has a longer range for reasons other than making it easier to stay together for your hauler or Orca. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
Avila Cracko 306	Posted - 2012.04.09 21:54:00 - [38] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Avila Cracko wrote: Malcanis wrote: Avila Cracko wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: If a Destroyer is killing your Hulk before CONCORD came and killed him, you are doing something wrong. Either your Hulk fit is crap or you aren't paying attention to your game and deserve to die. So...yes...Destroyer vs 325mil is in fact, balanced. If you fit your Hulk for EHP and not max yield you can you will still die from one Tornado. That's not balanced at all. If you fit your hulk with shield rigs, shield buffer mids and one Damage Controls in low you should be safe for ganking. A full tank fitted hulk can have something like 33k ehp Please, please, please give mi that fit... subtract like 10k and you have your number. My pleasure. 3 t2 strips Meta 4 MSE, 2x T2 Invulns, t2 em resist amp T2 DCU, T2 MAPC 2 X CFDEs My EFT shows 36933 Ehp vs omni damage type with the orca having a mining mindlink, worst is vs thermal. You get 39651 if you give the orca pilot a shield mindlink but then you might a well use a vulture A boosting tengu takes it to 42788.... Well... all i can say thnx man. But... thats a "little" $$$$$ fit and "little" skill intensive to fit... truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Lanasak School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 31	Posted - 2012.04.09 21:56:00 - [39] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Malcanis wrote: Btw did you know that 1400mm arty has truly atrocious tracking? Try orbiting your can at 2500m or so. It makes a surprising difference. Very true and a good point when dealing with Tornado's. Personally I think I'd prefer to be aligned at 3/4 speed to one of two roughly opposite celestials (preferably stations) while monitoring D Scan. The better mining equipment has a longer range for reasons other than making it easier to stay together for your hauler or Orca. I've told miners to do that before, on these same forums, and they come up with crap like "BUT I AFK MINE" ~not getting the point~
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 3294	Posted - 2012.04.09 21:56:00 - [40] - Quote [quote=Dbars Grinding]fk it. canceled my sub. [/quote You'd rather quit than try a different fit? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Lanasak School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 31	Posted - 2012.04.09 21:58:00 - [41] - Quote Avila Cracko wrote: Well... all i can say thnx man. But... thats a "little" $$$$$$$$$ fit and "little" skill intensive to fit... shield upgrades V and engineering V are not "skill intensive"
Avila Cracko 306	Posted - 2012.04.09 21:59:00 - [42] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Malcanis wrote: Btw did you know that 1400mm arty has truly atrocious tracking? Try orbiting your can at 2500m or so. It makes a surprising difference. Very true and a good point when dealing with Tornado's. Personally I think I'd prefer to be aligned at 3/4 speed to one of two roughly opposite celestials (preferably stations) while monitoring D Scan. The better mining equipment has a longer range for reasons other than making it easier to stay together for your hauler or Orca. You cant do that with orca in fleet. truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Lanasak School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 31	Posted - 2012.04.09 22:00:00 - [43] - Quote Avila Cracko wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: Malcanis wrote: Btw did you know that 1400mm arty has truly atrocious tracking? Try orbiting your can at 2500m or so. It makes a surprising difference. Very true and a good point when dealing with Tornado's. Personally I think I'd prefer to be aligned at 3/4 speed to one of two roughly opposite celestials (preferably stations) while monitoring D Scan. The better mining equipment has a longer range for reasons other than making it easier to stay together for your hauler or Orca. You cant do that with orca in fleet. eject can, tractor with orca not hard
Shadowsword The Scope Gallente Federation 120	Posted - 2012.04.09 22:01:00 - [44] - Quote Dbars Grinding wrote: This is clearly fair. Explain to me how a destroyer can kill your Hulk with Damage control II, shield extender rigs and shield hardeners/extenders, before concord save the day. What? You didn't tank your Hulk? Then what killed it isn't a destroyer, it's your stupidity that did it. This is EVE. If you've been around long enough to train for a Hulk, then you have to know the galaxy is out to get you.
Lanasak School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 34	Posted - 2012.04.09 22:05:00 - [45] - Quote expecting highsec miners to fit their hulks in any way other than "zero-tank, max-yield" is a lost cause they'll just hope that CCP removes the ability to suicide gank ^_^
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 3294	Posted - 2012.04.09 22:07:00 - [46] - Quote Avila Cracko wrote: Well... all i can say thnx man. But... thats a "little" $$$$$$$$$ fit and "little" skill intensive to fit... What is expensive for a 200m hulk? That's maybe 12 or 15m isk not counting the strips If you're lacking in basic fitting skills, then drop a CDFE for an ACR. You lose some EHP, but with nothing more than standard leadership skills, you are still well over 30k EHP Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 3294	Posted - 2012.04.09 22:08:00 - [47] - Quote Avila Cracko wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: Malcanis wrote: Btw did you know that 1400mm arty has truly atrocious tracking? Try orbiting your can at 2500m or so. It makes a surprising difference. Very true and a good point when dealing with Tornado's. Personally I think I'd prefer to be aligned at 3/4 speed to one of two roughly opposite celestials (preferably stations) while monitoring D Scan. The better mining equipment has a longer range for reasons other than making it easier to stay together for your hauler or Orca. You cant do that with orca in fleet. You mean "it is slightly more difficult" I think Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1495	Posted - 2012.04.09 22:08:00 - [48] - Quote Lanasak wrote: Avila Cracko wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: Malcanis wrote: Btw did you know that 1400mm arty has truly atrocious tracking? Try orbiting your can at 2500m or so. It makes a surprising difference. Very true and a good point when dealing with Tornado's. Personally I think I'd prefer to be aligned at 3/4 speed to one of two roughly opposite celestials (preferably stations) while monitoring D Scan. The better mining equipment has a longer range for reasons other than making it easier to stay together for your hauler or Orca. You cant do that with orca in fleet. eject can, tractor with orca not hard Thank you, your answer was probably more factual and less sarcastic than mine would have been. Then 5 minutes later I'd feel bad about it, I always do.... When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 516	Posted - 2012.04.09 22:10:00 - [49] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Btw did you know that 1400mm arty has truly atrocious tracking? Try orbiting your can at 2500m or so. It makes a surprising difference. Hmm I tried it and it works like a charm. I did not even put a script. Also, I tried the opposite, that is being the guy orbiting the can. Takes a LIFETIME to invert direction and align to station / safe spot, so non afk mining becomes much less useful. Lyron-Baktos wrote: Get a friend or two to escort you while you mine. One decent battlecruiser probably would have scared off the attackers or at least possibly give you a bit of time to make your escape. Bad suggestion. 1) Friends don't generally stick to a pathetic exhumer for 8 hours a day. They can give you an hand some times but it's too much to do it every day. Also, the already low income per account becomes factually split in half. 2) Mercs, some hire them. I see them every day. They want good money to sit there for the whole day of course and mining income <> incursion income. Plus - and this will become a LOT more evident with the new wardec system - mercs are basically useless. The suicide ganker goes close to target in a cloakie, then warps in 2 catalysts / whatever require to alpha or quasi-alpha the target. Then spams warp to celestial. The merc can do just so much to avoid the target death. When the new wardecs system will be in place it'll be the same: you spend the money to pay the mercs yet you still cannot leave the station because you'll still be popped in anything fragile (like industrial ships). The wardeccer objective - having kills and disrupting the corporation - will perfectly work even with mercs around. Mercs will just eventually insure revenge but disruption is still unavoidable. In the new system have i.e. Orca + 4 macks. You get wardec. Even with mercs around, the wardeccing corp WILL just come in with 2 disco battleships and WILL melt the macks => defending mercs will be useless => corp is disrupted with no defense even if they abide to the new rules and pay mercs. 3) One decent BC won't save anybody from an expendable ship scram put on the target. If somebody REALLY wants to screw your operation they WILL. You can pay all the money you want, you can fit whatever you want, you can hire whoever you want, you WILL be disrupted. Give it few days and people will learn to stay docked in stations again and to fly completely crap fittings for maxed yield. Outside Hulkageddon, being max yield fitted will vastly, massively outpace the loss of revenue you have by pretending an exhumer can resist a real attack and fitting it like a T80 tank gear... Hyunday. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
ICU Andshutup Perkone Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.04.09 22:12:00 - [50] - Quote Metal Icarus wrote: Arzaiuc wrote: Metal Icarus wrote: I could buy an old geo (old p.o.s sad excuse for a vehicle) that barely runs, put a brick on the gas pedal, point it at the closest Ferrari dealer and let it go. is that fair to the dealer? Because real life is like EVE in that acts of terrorism have no consequences There are no consequences if you don't get caught. Also, those dessies get concorded. On a side note: I feel that the dessies should have a chance to escape. because F*** THE PO-LEECE I agree they should have the opportunity. I also feel that Concord and faction popo be allowed to pop the pods as well.

Plus 1 Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 60	Posted - 2012.04.09 22:16:00 - [51] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Lanasak wrote: Avila Cracko wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: Malcanis wrote: Btw did you know that 1400mm arty has truly atrocious tracking? Try orbiting your can at 2500m or so. It makes a surprising difference. Very true and a good point when dealing with Tornado's. Personally I think I'd prefer to be aligned at 3/4 speed to one of two roughly opposite celestials (preferably stations) while monitoring D Scan. The better mining equipment has a longer range for reasons other than making it easier to stay together for your hauler or Orca. You cant do that with orca in fleet. eject can, tractor with orca not hard Thank you, your answer was probably more factual and less sarcastic than mine would have been. Then 5 minutes later I'd feel bad about it, I always do.... The trick to not feeling bad is to stop caring about other people.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 3294	Posted - 2012.04.09 22:16:00 - [52] - Quote The point being you can make it harder and more expensive for them to do so, VV Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Avila Cracko 306	Posted - 2012.04.09 22:16:00 - [53] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Avila Cracko wrote: Malcanis wrote: Avila Cracko wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: If a Destroyer is killing your Hulk before CONCORD came and killed him, you are doing something wrong. Either your Hulk fit is crap or you aren't paying attention to your game and deserve to die. So...yes...Destroyer vs 325mil is in fact, balanced. If you fit your Hulk for EHP and not max yield you can you will still die from one Tornado. That's not balanced at all. If you fit your hulk with shield rigs, shield buffer mids and one Damage Controls in low you should be safe for ganking. A full tank fitted hulk can have something like 33k ehp Please, please, please give mi that fit... subtract like 10k and you have your number. My pleasure. 3 t2 strips Meta 4 MSE, 2x T2 Invulns, t2 em resist amp T2 DCU, T2 MAPC 2 X CFDEs My EFT shows 36933 Ehp vs omni damage type with the orca having a mining mindlink, worst is vs thermal. You get 39651 if you give the orca pilot a shield mindlink but then you might a well use a vulture A boosting tengu takes it to 42788.... I just tried that in EFT. How the hell you fitted 2 medium shield extenders i used all lvl5 skills profile and cant even fit 2 MSE I... only them and t2 strips and power grid is on 79/ 43,75... truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1488	Posted - 2012.04.09 22:17:00 - [54] - Quote IMPLANTS! EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Avila Cracko 306	Posted - 2012.04.09 22:19:00 - [55] - Quote Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: IMPLANTS! How the hell can you boost your power grid 2x with imps??? truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Lost Greybeard Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution 4	Posted - 2012.04.09 22:21:00 - [56] - Quote I like this logic. Hey, guys, when I set my 300M isk mission runner in go mode and wandered off to get coffee it was killed by a 0 isk NPC that spawned without spending anything at all! Unfair! I demand this be balanced away.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 3294	Posted - 2012.04.09 22:27:00 - [57] - Quote There is only one MSE In the fit I posted. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
baltec1 1067	Posted - 2012.04.09 22:29:00 - [58] - Quote Lost Greybeard wrote: I like this logic. Hey, guys, when I set my 300M isk mission runner in go mode and wandered off to get coffee it was killed by a 0 isk NPC that spawned without spending anything at all! Unfair! I demand this be balanced away. Not nearly expensive enough an example. Lets fix that. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12117010
Virgil Travis GWA Corp 141	Posted - 2012.04.09 22:30:00 - [59] - Quote At least you weren't this guy. AFK mining in a honor tanked Machariel in the system right next door to Amamake. This is how it ends up folks Roses are red. Bacon is also red. Poems are hard. Bacon.
masternerdguy Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate 133	Posted - 2012.04.09 22:30:00 - [60] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Lost Greybeard wrote: I like this logic. Hey, guys, when I set my 300M isk mission runner in go mode and wandered off to get coffee it was killed by a 0 isk NPC that spawned without spending anything at all! Unfair! I demand this be balanced away. Not nearly expensive enough an example. Lets fix that. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12117010 You made my day. Things are only impossible until they are not.



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