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Danton Marcellus Gallente Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2008.12.02 11:42:00 - [1] Is there anyone out there working on a family tree project of sorts? What root corporation spawned what splinter and so on and so forth? I'd find it a very interesting read, hopefully devoid of lulz and epic fail commentary that is the CAOD. I'd certainly be willing to assist with Rasa info from the beginning of time. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Teschan Amarr Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.12.02 11:48:00 - [2] Edited by: Teschan on 02/12/2008 11:53:31 interesting, how would you go about tracing it back, compare employment histories etc? Sounds like a lot of work! However if it's anything like eveWIKI or CAOD it'll be full of chestbeating and vanity :(
Danton Marcellus Gallente Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2008.12.02 11:57:00 - [3] The researcher I gather would contact the oldest corporations out there and check with them what outfits they claim involvement in forming and confirming this with the people of that offshoot. That or taking their word for it till someone disputes the matter and it'll become a probable origin rather than a definite. Question is how you'd be defining it, bulk of membership in new entity or leadership counting more? This leaves the tree open to one branch having many roots, all equally instrumental in the growth of the new limb. Ah, so many tree analogys, is there a ficus anywhere near for me to hug? Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Draahk Chimera Caldari Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.02 12:53:00 - [4] Far from good at drawing stuff. At least I've been around a while. So here goes.
Zethan Z Gallente Sons Of Korhal Magnum Opus.	Posted - 2008.12.02 13:09:00 - [5] Im afraid I can't contribute with anything, but I just wanted to chime in and say its a great idea
Alekseyev Karrde Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2008.12.02 13:14:00 - [6] Cool flow chart there. This is an interesting thread, i hope there's more when I check back. I could try to do one for the Royal Guard but I joined the EVE team late in the legacy. Will give it a shot later though ^^ --- Zombie Apocalypse Guitar-Wielding Superteam
Xicho Caldari Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.02 13:38:00 - [7] something like this tbh
Danton Marcellus Gallente Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2008.12.02 13:42:00 - [8] Originally by: Xicho something like this tbh I'm sure it's interesting for those new to politics but BoB or the corporations thereof to my knowledge never created any of those satellites so it's not as much a family tree as a command structure. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Xicho Caldari Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.02 13:45:00 - [9] Originally by: Danton Marcellus Originally by: Xicho something like this tbh I'm sure it's interesting for those new to politics but BoB or the corporations thereof to my knowledge never created any of those satellites so it's not as much a family tree as a command structure. Thats what they want you to think
The Dribber Amarr Black Screen of Death HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.12.02 13:51:00 - [10] Query the CEO of every current corp (or alliance) in EVE and either view their employment history or ask them where, what, when etc. very interested to see the end result if you do it ------------------------ The DribbLer ...yes, I typo'd my own name...

Danton Marcellus Gallente Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2008.12.02 13:59:00 - [11] Originally by: The Dribber Query the CEO of every current corp (or alliance) in EVE and either view their employment history or ask them where, what, when etc. very interested to see the end result if you do it To not make the project impossibly large to begin with perhaps starting with corporations older than 5 years? Running my little sideshow I'm way busy but putting it out there hopefully someone with time and dedication can add a new feature to EVE as interesting as the influence map. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.02 16:20:00 - [12] Originally by: Danton Marcellus The researcher I gather would contact the oldest corporations out there and check with them what outfits they claim involvement in forming and confirming this with the people of that offshoot. That or taking their word for it till someone disputes the matter and it'll become a probable origin rather than a definite. Question is how you'd be defining it, bulk of membership in new entity or leadership counting more? This leaves the tree open to one branch having many roots, all equally instrumental in the growth of the new limb. Ah, so many tree analogys, is there a ficus anywhere near for me to hug? I think an important and perhaps hard part is defining your intent/scope. What exactly are you attempting to show? What do you want to know? If it were me and I was looking to do a "family tree" in the strictest sense, I'd take what exists today and work my way backwards. I would think that by doing this, you'll eventually work your way back to the important elder corps. Additionally, focusing on the leadershipship/prime movers of a given entity would probably be easier than concerning oneself with the bulk of the membership of a given entity, but I can see where the latter might be necessary from time to time. At any rate...interesting idea. "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Danton Marcellus Gallente Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2008.12.02 16:55:00 - [13] Originally by: Orree I think an important and perhaps hard part is defining your intent/scope. What exactly are you attempting to show? What do you want to know? Just who begot who in a most biblical sense. I guess going by corporate founder would be the easiest way, not that he's always the most instrumental person around but it is after all his creation living on, for some time... If you want to go into a deeper analysis mode and pseudo-psychology you might try to pinpoint where longstanding grudges came into existence from such trees, this without actually having been there yourself. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
SpaceSavage Caldari Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.12.02 17:00:00 - [14] Interesting idea, would genuwinely like to see this done. :) _______________
Heath Ledger Caldari Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.02 18:23:00 - [15] Xicho clearly wins the thread.
Faekurias Caldari Black Legion Command Black Legion.	Posted - 2008.12.02 19:01:00 - [16] Uh-oh. Need to ****. Also; Great idea. ------------------ Recruiting..
Haradgrim Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.12.02 19:35:00 - [17] Originally by: Xicho something like this tbh /thread -- Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donæt forget the reach-around.
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.12.02 19:53:00 - [18] while there were other nascent gooncorps in the mists of history the goonswarm genealogy is pretty short somethingawful -> lordless -> goonfleet lordless was the first gooncorp with a griefing purpose and 90% of the original swarm directorate was ex-lordless the prior gooncorps were 1. crappy 2. had a purpose beyond inflicting suffering
Danton Marcellus Gallente Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2008.12.02 20:48:00 - [19] Originally by: Haradgrim Originally by: Xicho something like this tbh /thread Not really, even if it had been on the mark it's still lacking all the russian outfits. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Breaky Uzumaki Caldari The Greater Moon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.12.03 15:50:00 - [20] Much like its own members family trees, the goonswarm tree is a straight line.

Nicholas Barker Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.12.03 16:01:00 - [21] where's that so and so is an alt of so and so picture? ------
Sworn Absent Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.12.03 16:01:00 - [22] Originally by: Breaky Uzumaki Much like its own members family trees, the goonswarm tree is a straight line. every now and then a goon sleeps with a pubbie and ruins it :mad:
Butternut Squash Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.03 16:04:00 - [23] Great idea ... mind numbing admin effort. Butters I am jealous of my wife ... she already has a titan :D
Nicholas Barker Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.12.03 16:06:00 - [24] Originally by: Breaky Uzumaki Much like its own members family trees, the goonswarm tree is a straight line. nothing like a straight line, something alone the lines of this. ------
Shifter Stark Caldari The Greater Goon	Posted - 2008.12.03 18:14:00 - [25] Originally by: Sworn Absent every now and then a goon sleeps with a pubbie and ruins it :mad: :10bux: is the new morning after pill
Teschan Amarr Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.12.03 18:26:00 - [26] Good luck with it mate, definately be interested in seeing how it pans out.
Breaky Uzumaki Caldari The Greater Moon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.12.03 18:32:00 - [27] Originally by: Nicholas Barker Originally by: Breaky Uzumaki Much like its own members family trees, the goonswarm tree is a straight line. nothing like a straight line, something alone the lines of this. Nothing quite so noble, but the average goon has a few extra chromosomes all the same.
Anaesthera Gallente PROGENITOR CORPORATION Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.12.03 18:54:00 - [28] You might want to download yourself a copy of Microsoft Visio. It'll make your charts 100x better looking, and save you a lot of time making them...
Brantus Minmatar Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.03 19:27:00 - [29] With enough API cooperation couldn't you just aggregate every characters corp membership history and look what CEOs spawned from what corps? Alliances might be kind of tricky, but I think that's also a part of the API as well?
Joram McRory Caldari eXceed Inc. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.12.03 20:04:00 - [30] Edited by: Joram McRory on 03/12/2008 20:08:39 This sounds a facinating project. I think corps might be too hard (just because there are so many of them) but it could work for alliances. I have had a first stab at a (very simplified) early tree of the south of EvE. This is mainly from memory with a few glances at the early aliiance maps. Apologies to any entities I have missed off. In fact I have just realised I missed AXE who spwaned from ASCN and (eventually) ended up in the GBC iirc) Oh Tri are only there as that's there Exceed have ended up and not because I can't read a map and think we are living in the south atm :-P Anyway here it is: Joram's attempt at a simple tree Joram My Photography site

The Monkeysphere Gallente The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.12.03 20:13:00 - [31] Originally by: Joram McRory Anyway here it is: Joram's attempt at a simple tree Quoting this. PL is the older new TRI.
Joram McRory Caldari eXceed Inc. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.12.03 20:19:00 - [32] Edited by: Joram McRory on 03/12/2008 20:20:09 Originally by: The Monkeysphere Originally by: Joram McRory Anyway here it is: Joram's attempt at a simple tree Quoting this. PL is the older new TRI. If you read the key you'll see that a dashed line is suppoed to mean "Joined" not "Formed". I know nothing about the history of PL except that some Tri mk 1 people went there so hence the dashed line. Joram My Photography site
wer klop Gallente Two Brothers Mining Corp. Kraftwerk.	Posted - 2008.12.03 20:21:00 - [33] CCP must have this data could they provide some raw material for analysis. Could you use a geneology software package?
halp me Minmatar THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2008.12.03 21:55:00 - [34] Originally by: Xicho something like this tbh you good sir have won caod for the day
Jehovah Cooper Caldari H A V O C Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.12.04 00:38:00 - [35] Originally by: wer klop CCP must have this data could they provide some raw material for analysis. Could you use a geneology software package? Unfortunately Corp alliance histories were not tracked until a patch 18 months ago or so. I'd agree with trying to focus on alliance genealogy, and rather than each random person try and draw up some partial picture we just need a simple web database for each Alliance that allows you to link predecessor and successor/spin-off alliances along with comments. From this data we could then construct a graphical representation.
Rippey Minmatar hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.04 01:16:00 - [36] A good start imho would be to backtrack from the first powerblocks, activly inhabiting 0.0 from where EVE started off. The corps / leaders from back then, that are still alive today could possibly be an indicator of how the EVE universe has evolved to today. Curse Alliance, I'd suggest Chowdown if he's still around or the dark lord himself. Stain Alliance, I'd suggest Trigger. Fountain Alliance, I'd suggest SirMolle, and Tornsoul for the later FA part. As for the north of that time I'm a bit clueless, but I'd recommend someone from the old PA guard. Lot's have changed, friends are now enemies and vice versa. And i'm dead sure someone actually wrote a part on EVE history on these forums some time ago.
Random Womble Minmatar Master Miners	Posted - 2008.12.04 02:28:00 - [37] Originally by: Joram McRory Edited by: Joram McRory on 03/12/2008 20:20:09 Originally by: The Monkeysphere Originally by: Joram McRory Anyway here it is: Joram's attempt at a simple tree Quoting this. PL is the older new TRI. If you read the key you'll see that a dashed line is suppoed to mean "Joined" not "Formed". I know nothing about the history of PL except that some Tri mk 1 people went there so hence the dashed line. As far as i am aware it was sniggs first alliance however most older NESW members infact most NESW members in general are exKOS (Knights of the southerncross) from a variety of corps. Some NESW had snigg alts back when snigg was based in curse and fighting KOS (summer 06), Blue Labs is also exKOS but a more recent addition (relatively) to the alliance it was allready well known before they joined and there was one other exKOS corp but they have either merged with NESW (certainly some members have joined) or just left the alliance. OMNOR are a fairly mixed bag i know they have been in privateers in the past but not too much more than that and they joined PL this year.
Jehovah Cooper Caldari H A V O C Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.12.04 03:25:00 - [38] CCP should spend some money on this - get a couple people working on developing a community history tool and integrating input from multiple sources. The rich history of eve is one of the things that originally hooked me on the game and the larger context of daily battles still keeps me logging in to this day. Its also one of the most unique things about Eve because its so many years on a single shard with so many players its an incredible tapestry of pod lives.
MarKand Minmatar Shadow Company Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.12.04 06:35:00 - [39] dp preacher made a huge work on the RKK story that is written from 2004 and forward, it is ofc centered to RKK and BoB, but a lot of other corps and alliances and also a large chunk of history is presented. Well worth the time to read, it is very well written. RKK Story I also iirc think thre is a few histoy parts on wiki, that are good. /M
El Covah Gallente LOCKDOWN. HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.12.04 08:23:00 - [40] If you are interested you can find a pretty good summary of Huzzah Federation in this video http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/ElCovah/Huzzah_History.wmv.

Nemtar Nataal Caldari Demonic Retribution G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.12.04 08:33:00 - [41] Originally by: Joram McRory Edited by: Joram McRory on 03/12/2008 20:08:39 This sounds a facinating project. I think corps might be too hard (just because there are so many of them) but it could work for alliances. I have had a first stab at a (very simplified) early tree of the south of EvE. This is mainly from memory with a few glances at the early aliiance maps. Apologies to any entities I have missed off. In fact I have just realised I missed AXE who spwaned from ASCN and (eventually) ended up in the GBC iirc) Oh Tri are only there as that's there Exceed have ended up and not because I can't read a map and think we are living in the south atm :-P Anyway here it is: Joram's attempt at a simple tree If you add Pure as the chield of FIX i think (i know there are some stung feeling about this) but still think that would be pritty much accurate.
Graalum Caldari Interstellar eXodus Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.04 09:15:00 - [42] Edited by: Graalum on 04/12/2008 09:21:42 Edited by: Graalum on 04/12/2008 09:16:26 Originally by: Joram McRory Anyway here it is: Joram's attempt at a simple tree some of curse mk2 went into goonswarm (battlestars, ars discordia, black omega secutirty) black omega security is now in PL, along with alot of goons. invictus merged into iron and then joined iron/NC i think someof curse mk 1 became RA which then part joined/formed AAA fix became pure., outbreak, and then outbreak bred havoc (tri) i think fountain alliance led to morsus mihi G/NBSI/trust became D2 which became evoke, youwaht, mostly harmless kraftwork lv gave m.pire and fatal alliance, i think lots of fatal ended up in insurgency (not really sure about this), and some m. Pire ended up in mostly harmless RA -> solar fleet, xdeathx, unl, rebelion, AAA, TCF ascn -> irc, invictus, goonswarm, rk, axiom fla, smash, rk -> atlas stain -> ka-tet, rk, se, others phoenix allaince -> phalanx allaince (???) -> tri mk 2 (?) xetic -> coalition empires -> stella nova united -> frege, rk, smash, tcf iron -> iron -> iron -> iron
El Covah Gallente LOCKDOWN. HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.12.04 09:43:00 - [43] Many german LV ended up in Huzzah which was originally found "out of the ashes" of CFS.
SpaceSavage Caldari Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.12.04 10:47:00 - [44] Aww wheres EXE's embaressing history :p But seriously, i really like the idea, but also as someone stated too, couldnt someone make a tool using the api+simple vb to make a chart based on someones corp history? that'd be awesome _______________
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.04 12:09:00 - [45] I made this crappy PAINT thingy (please do not click if you are colour blind) As CVA has always been CVA (since 2003) it doesn't really have a family tree but it has (since 2004) had a consistent home with lots of interesting relationships so for your excitment I created this 'Very simplified history of Sov Holding alliance in Providence' (it also overlaps into Catch) http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=provihistoryuw0.jpg There is also a CVA history here: http://eve-history.net/wiki/index.php/Curatores_Veritatis_Alliance - although it's not up to date and whoever wrote the Triumvirate element was on drugs (it doesn't make a lot of sense)! ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services Advert
Doc Punkiller Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.12.04 13:30:00 - [46] something like unix timeline. http://www.levenez.com/unix/unix.pdf Signature removed. Inappropriate. Navigator
Danton Marcellus Gallente Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2008.12.04 14:10:00 - [47] Originally by: Rippey A good start imho would be to backtrack from the first powerblocks, activly inhabiting 0.0 from where EVE started off. The corps / leaders from back then, that are still alive today could possibly be an indicator of how the EVE universe has evolved to today. Curse Alliance, I'd suggest Chowdown if he's still around or the dark lord himself. Stain Alliance, I'd suggest Trigger. Fountain Alliance, I'd suggest SirMolle, and Tornsoul for the later FA part. As for the north of that time I'm a bit clueless, but I'd recommend someone from the old PA guard. Lot's have changed, friends are now enemies and vice versa. And i'm dead sure someone actually wrote a part on EVE history on these forums some time ago. I'm sure Jade or even Ragnar could do it better, yes I heard he was back someplace, for VA, PA was but a shadow of the former. Ideally these trees would start dealing with corporations and once mapped superimpose alliance affiliations for greater detail. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Jehovah Cooper Caldari H A V O C Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.12.05 02:13:00 - [48] Edited by: Jehovah Cooper on 05/12/2008 02:13:20 Originally by: Nemtar Nataal If you add Pure as the chield of FIX i think (i know there are some stung feeling about this) but still think that would be pritty much accurate. There were several cycles of exodus from FIX. PURE was one spin-off. Elite Storm Armada was another. 0utbreak was a third (not really an alliance, I know). Of course all of those organizations became very different with a great mix of members over time. The corp H A V O C was founded with the many of the active members of the last leg of FIX, along with a number of members from 0utbreak (some who'd been from FIX, some not). So there is even a dotted-line to TRI (though we weren't a founding part even of Mk 2). I'm sure there are others. At the time it closed FIX was the oldest in-game alliance still in Eve, and I was with it only a couple short years post-CODA. Most of the corps in FIX when I joined are still in tact and active in different places in Eve. This is true of every alliance though - its really too much information to process to try and connect all these little webs.
dalman Caldari Retrofitted Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.12.05 02:40:00 - [49] Originally by: Joram McRory Edited by: Joram McRory on 03/12/2008 20:08:39 Anyway here it is: Joram's attempt at a simple tree Hard to stop laughing at the CFS -> BoB line Any serious attempt at this tree will have to start with the 4 alliances who grabbed the NPC stations; SA VA FA CA. Then add in the ones who started to venture out into other 0.0 regions, like CFS, Xetic, CVA, Norad and whatever else that was up in the north. Then, when conquerable stations were added, some interesting things started to happen, with some alliances soon more or less breaking up and new ones forming (CFS mess, with FA looking to grab stations there, Evol leaving FA and making new friends, Xetic growing lots, C4 leaving SA for CA, etc etc). And then ofc lots of alliances breaking up, CA, SA, ASCN etc... Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies B.L.A.C.K.	Posted - 2008.12.05 03:04:00 - [50] Aye, need to switch from formed to joined for the UFS to BoB. Though I'd say the greater majority never went there, and it was pilots only that would have made the transition, no whole corps. I know of at least 3 major corps that went from the UFS (from the CFS root) to SA, the other two roots that formed the UFS were DSMA (Deep Space Mining Alliance), and ...can't remember... looked it up, StA (Star Alliance). From memory, the primary corporation from StA, Adeptus Gatacus (sp?) joined SA as well. One of the main remaining CFS corps that left at the end was Imperial Dreams, who then joined (helped create?) CVA. QDF, while a mutual defense pact in nature, was the root that then formed FIX, not all corps made the transition. As JC noted, many of the remaining corps from the last leg of FIX created a new joint corp, HAVOC, which is a member of TRI (mkII). I guess Pure. could be considered an offshoot of FIX, to my knowledge the founders were all ex-FIX, but would need them to verify. Also don't know if when the various corps left Pure. if a number of them have stuck together and joined or formed another alliance that could be considered a root contribution or if they have gone seperate ways. Hope the above helps round out the Southern picture a bit.

Veinnail Caldari Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2008.12.05 11:43:00 - [51] i nominate Celtic Industries =) SSDC HOME\|\|\|SSDC WANTS YOU


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