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Dechmeister	Posted - 2008.12.05 04:56:00 - [31] Edited by: Dechmeister on 05/12/2008 04:56:53 E8400 @ 3.6GHz 8GB RAM 8800GTS 512 OC 1920x1200 everything maxed except running High shadows instead of Extreme (HDR+Bloom+High shadows > Extreme Shadows alone, Extreme Shadows+HDR+Bloom is a MASSIVE hit in FPS for no discerning changes) I get 140FPS outside, 250FPS in station. But I usually run 2x 1680x1050 without HDR+Bloom because I run 2 clients, I still get 85FPS with both outside, but for some very odd reason I get 30FPS when both are in station... luckily, I only remain in station to chage modules & talk to agents... but still strange from 250FPS to 2x 30FPS... meh.
Cyb3r Thr3at Gallente Southern Cross Empire	Posted - 2008.12.05 05:37:00 - [32] Edited by: Cyb3r Thr3at on 05/12/2008 05:40:23 Originally by: Slade Trillgon I need a whole new computer or I need someone that knows what the hell they are doing, that I can trust, to look at it. I only get 10 fps Slade I just built a new PC just for EVE, & since QR, I only get 7-9 FPS doing missions, PVP is better for some reason. My Rig: AMD Athlon 64 x2 Dual Core 5200+ 2.7GHz - Asus M3N78 PRO Mobo - Asus 8600GT OC - OCZ 800 x4G PC2-6400 Platinum - OCZ Game Xstream 600w SLI PS - Antec Three Hundred Gaming Tower - Samsung 22" Multi Media HD Monitor
Dechmeister	Posted - 2008.12.05 15:14:00 - [33] Originally by: Cyb3r Thr3at Edited by: Cyb3r Thr3at on 05/12/2008 05:40:23 Originally by: Slade Trillgon I need a whole new computer or I need someone that knows what the hell they are doing, that I can trust, to look at it. I only get 10 fps Slade I just built a new PC just for EVE, & since QR, I only get 7-9 FPS doing missions, PVP is better for some reason. My Rig: AMD Athlon 64 x2 Dual Core 5200+ 2.7GHz - Asus M3N78 PRO Mobo - Asus 8600GT OC - OCZ 800 x4G PC2-6400 Platinum - OCZ Game Xstream 600w SLI PS - Antec Three Hundred Gaming Tower - Samsung 22" Multi Media HD Monitor Ish... maybe new in terms of "never used parts", but that's anything but new in terms of technology. I'm sure your budget had something to do with that, so hard to get around this one. Basically, that CPU paired with that godly slow video card & a native resolution of 1680x1050 (unless you play at non-native rez), it's totally normal you're getting that FPS with premium graphics. Look up the benchmarks on it, it can barely play games that are 2-3 years old @ 1280x1024 at more than 20 FPS, so forget higher res & premium graphics.
Max Quirk Caldari Clan Mythos OLD IRONSIDES	Posted - 2008.12.05 16:03:00 - [34] Edited by: Max Quirk on 05/12/2008 16:03:39 What about my 9600m GT? I regularly get high fps if I have bloom set to none, with ~25-30 in clouds.
ZinderX500 Caldari Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.05 16:49:00 - [35] Originally by: Max Quirk Edited by: Max Quirk on 05/12/2008 16:03:39 What about my 9600m GT? I regularly get high fps if I have bloom set to none, with ~25-30 in clouds. It's still a laptop. Slowpoke hard drives. Slowpoke :
Max Quirk Caldari Clan Mythos OLD IRONSIDES	Posted - 2008.12.05 17:12:00 - [36] Originally by: ZinderX500 Originally by: Max Quirk Edited by: Max Quirk on 05/12/2008 16:03:39 What about my 9600m GT? I regularly get high fps if I have bloom set to none, with ~25-30 in clouds. It's still a laptop. Slowpoke hard drives. Slowpoke : Really? That's the reason? Awesome! I can fix that!
ZinderX500 Caldari Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.05 20:08:00 - [37] Originally by: Max Quirk Originally by: ZinderX500 Originally by: Max Quirk Edited by: Max Quirk on 05/12/2008 16:03:39 What about my 9600m GT? I regularly get high fps if I have bloom set to none, with ~25-30 in clouds. It's still a laptop. Slowpoke hard drives. Slowpoke : Really? That's the reason? Awesome! I can fix that! Well...yeah. Laptops suffer from their hard drives' speed. If you can change it with a faster one you will notice that it's much faster overall.

CCP Atlas	Posted - 2008.12.05 21:39:00 - [38] Originally by: Phoenix Torp After the patch I have seen that my XFX 7600GTX 256MB is not really enough to hold the game with Extreme qualities in both options, so I would like to know graphicals cards who hold it. Thx in advance. I would definitely not recommend running Eve with shadows set to 'Extreme'. It's a massive performance hit with limited visual gain. You will probably not even notice a difference in the shadows between 'Extreme' and 'High'. It's basically something you might want to consider using if you're taking pretty close-up screenshots of ships, but when running the game normally it's not really something you'll want to do.

Phoenix Torp Caldari Kingmakers	Posted - 2008.12.10 15:24:00 - [39] Originally by: CCP Atlas Originally by: Phoenix Torp After the patch I have seen that my XFX 7600GTX 256MB is not really enough to hold the game with Extreme qualities in both options, so I would like to know graphicals cards who hold it. Thx in advance. I would definitely not recommend running Eve with shadows set to 'Extreme'. It's a massive performance hit with limited visual gain. You will probably not even notice a difference in the shadows between 'Extreme' and 'High'. It's basically something you might want to consider using if you're taking pretty close-up screenshots of ships, but when running the game normally it's not really something you'll want to do. Megathron, Khronos, Megathron Navy Issue, NPC Rats of same hull... capital ships (i have only seen a Thanatos of a corp mate but well)... Yes, it's a matter of importance, either playing a mission in my ugly Raven against Serpentis / Gallente as making screenshots for the desktop :) Even not playing more games than this (maybe Diablo 2 and CS:Source) i have thought that buy a graphical card is an invesment for the future. If I buy one, i won't buy one that with another graphical improvement can't play at maximum quality. If you stablish a "Extreme" quality is for enjoy it. Even heading out to the Need For Speed, it's always good to have a nice equipment. However you are part of the development team so can say if it's worth to pay almost 600Ç for a monster like this: http://www.pricoinsa.es/DetalleProducto.aspx?prod=04060081&fam=0406 Is this game based in DirectX or OpenGL? I hate ATI but if it's based in DirectX... ------ Skills
Captain Politics JotunHeim Hird X13 Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.10 16:55:00 - [40] Originally by: Phoenix Torp Is this game based in DirectX or OpenGL? I hate ATI but if it's based in DirectX... Directx 9.0

MidnightMartyr Gallente Chowabunga Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.10 18:34:00 - [41] Originally by: stubbles I have a single 8800GTS 320MB, works great. Everything maxed with 2x AA and I'm getting 80-120fps. The fact that your GPU memory is not a power of 2 scares me...
Max Hardcase Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.12.10 18:34:00 - [42] ^^ Thats so passT these days.
Phoenix Torp Caldari Kingmakers	Posted - 2008.12.11 16:27:00 - [43] Originally by: Max Hardcase Edited by: Max Hardcase on 10/12/2008 18:38:48 Edited by: Max Hardcase on 10/12/2008 18:37:52 Originally by: Phoenix Torp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is this game based in DirectX or OpenGL? I hate ATI but if it's based in DirectX... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Directx 9.0 "" Thats so passT these days. The real question is what gfx company bribed which dev company for extra performance. Thats Nvidia in EVE's case, not that it really matters. Another prime example is Assassins Creed and the nixxing of Dx10.1 support ( which Nvidia doesnt have). EVE is fairly stable though. No fancy rendering pathways to optimise for ati/nvidia hardware, mainly texture output which limits performance. That Nvidia bribe a company by a game in DirectX is counterproductive: - At least two years ago, Nvidia was better in OpenGL and DirectX with ATI. I do not know if that will have changed. That's sure. - Doesn't have a real utility that Nvidia is better if when you install it on Linux you go slow because it uses DirectX. I am getting info for uninstall Ubuntu for that reason ... - As you have said, if Nvidia works better, Nvidia will be the video card. ------ Skills
Mira O'karr Minmatar eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:38:00 - [44] 9800gx2 with two clients on two monitors = 105 FPS each. /me kisses his dualhead2go
Saberon Gallente C3 Tech	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:48:00 - [45] MY VDA is not particularly powerful, it's an XFX GF8600GTS with 512MB. But my game maintains 100+ FPS on my 24" WS monitor (1920x1200) - single account I usually run 3-4 accounts, in windowed mode, and I get from 60-80 FPS on each, which is still acceptable - as long as it's 60+ to match video refresh. The other specs on my computer are pretty good, which might be a reason for the performance. I run Premium, btw. Q9450 QuadCore, 2.66GHz, 1333 FSB 4GB RAM Vista
Mira O'karr Minmatar eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.11 19:05:00 - [46] saberon ? do you have one or two screens (or more)? because of the shi!e vista dual screen is no longer possible with horizontal span and the new nvidia drivers werent doing it for me (sli mode connecting two dvi to one output) so i bite the bullet and shelled out hard cash for the matrox dualhead thing. if you tell me now there is another way to get multiple clients with decent FPS working on two screens at the same time i might have to shoot myself (not really:P)
Aion Amarra Minmatar New Eden Research Organisation StarFleet Federation	Posted - 2008.12.11 19:20:00 - [47] Game runs very nicely for me at 2560x1600, shadows to normal (I don't find the difference between normal and high visible enough under most conditions to warrant the performance loss), HDR off. Framerate only drops below 60 in fleet conditions, or in mission/complex areas that have those damned clouds around. And it's running on a 8800GTS (the original 640MB model), 4 gigs of cheap OCZ RAM and a E6700 dualcore. Mind, this is with two clients running, windowed, both at native resolution and moved to 'fullscreen' by EVEMon. Works just fine.
Max Hardcase Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.12.11 20:09:00 - [48] Originally by: Phoenix Torp Originally by: Max Hardcase Edited by: Max Hardcase on 10/12/2008 18:38:48 Edited by: Max Hardcase on 10/12/2008 18:37:52 Originally by: Phoenix Torp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is this game based in DirectX or OpenGL? I hate ATI but if it's based in DirectX... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Directx 9.0 "" Thats so passT these days. The real question is what gfx company bribed which dev company for extra performance. Thats Nvidia in EVE's case, not that it really matters. Another prime example is Assassins Creed and the nixxing of Dx10.1 support ( which Nvidia doesnt have). EVE is fairly stable though. No fancy rendering pathways to optimise for ati/nvidia hardware, mainly texture output which limits performance. That Nvidia bribe a company by a game in DirectX is counterproductive: - At least two years ago, Nvidia was better in OpenGL and DirectX with ATI. I do not know if that will have changed. That's sure. - Doesn't have a real utility that Nvidia is better if when you install it on Linux you go slow because it uses DirectX. I am getting info for uninstall Ubuntu for that reason ... - As you have said, if Nvidia works better, Nvidia will be the video card. OpenGL is dead for gaming basically, only reason to really support is crossplatform compatibility. DX is where its at these days. MS has the benefit that its the only one updating DX specs, openGL lags a bit due to its wider member base.
J'Mkarr Soban Amarr Proxenetae Invicti	Posted - 2008.12.11 21:18:00 - [49] Most of the performance hit will be due to turrets being rendered all the time. The new patch should help this, as it doesn't render turrets unless you specifically want it to. -- These are my personal views and in no way represent the views of Proxenetae Invicti, which maintains a neutral stance stemming from the strong ethics demanded of its work.
Saberon Gallente C3 Tech	Posted - 2008.12.11 21:30:00 - [50] Edited by: Saberon on 11/12/2008 21:30:07 Originally by: Mira O'karr saberon ? do you have one or two screens (or more)? because of the shi!e vista dual screen is no longer possible with horizontal span and the new nvidia drivers werent doing it for me (sli mode connecting two dvi to one output) so i bite the bullet and shelled out hard cash for the matrox dualhead thing. if you tell me now there is another way to get multiple clients with decent FPS working on two screens at the same time i might have to shoot myself (not really:P) Mira, I was using a 2nd screen till a few weeks ago (a 21" CRT) in the second DVI port, with no issues at all, with the nVidia drivers on Vista. (Using a small DVI-VGA adapter) Now, it's still in my old office, I have been moving - I am aware that nvidia drivers were recently updated, so haven't tried on those yet. The 2nd screen was only running 1600x1200 though, but no problems at all.

Darkeen Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.11 22:54:00 - [51] Hell, Dell INspiron 14210 laptop with nvidia 8600G and I'm dancing with Glee if I get 10fps... Got around 3.3 fps last night, and yes everything is set correctly, even with the new setups... (Now you know why I dont Pvp!) Aparently the Inspiron has a known issue with the Video card and CPU's (they are close together to be near the neatsink, where the CPU's (dual core) tend to overheat as they have put Desktop CPU's in a laptop device... And at random times I get the laptop simply shutting down due to heat... Harddrives churns and Pow! everythings dead... So I think those that ***** about a low 60fps can bite me..... Anyone have specs for a decent laptop that has an Nvidia video card? I'd like to look at upgrading sometime..... I bought this laptop specifically to play Eve, which I can do, albeit rather sporadically and slowly... Regards, Jason Brisbane
Mes Ren No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:02:00 - [52] Edited by: Mes Ren on 12/12/2008 01:05:24 Originally by: Phoenix Torp Originally by: Max Hardcase Edited by: Max Hardcase on 10/12/2008 18:38:48 Edited by: Max Hardcase on 10/12/2008 18:37:52 Originally by: Phoenix Torp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is this game based in DirectX or OpenGL? I hate ATI but if it's based in DirectX... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Directx 9.0 "" Thats so passT these days. The real question is what gfx company bribed which dev company for extra performance. Thats Nvidia in EVE's case, not that it really matters. Another prime example is Assassins Creed and the nixxing of Dx10.1 support ( which Nvidia doesnt have). EVE is fairly stable though. No fancy rendering pathways to optimise for ati/nvidia hardware, mainly texture output which limits performance. That Nvidia bribe a company by a game in DirectX is counterproductive: - At least two years ago, Nvidia was better in OpenGL and DirectX with ATI. I do not know if that will have changed. That's sure. - Doesn't have a real utility that Nvidia is better if when you install it on Linux you go slow because it uses DirectX. I am getting info for uninstall Ubuntu for that reason ... - As you have said, if Nvidia works better, Nvidia will be the video card. I'm am getting an average of 60fps. AMD 64 X2 4600+ 6 GB RAM NVidia 7950 GT 512MB Ubuntu 8.10 (Linux) Wine 1.1.10 Premium Graphics 1680x1050 Native Resolution The official client blows chunks, but running under wine is silky smooth. ________________________ No Trademark -- Mes Ren, Mes Builder -- -- CEO --
Nadarius Chrome Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:34:00 - [53] What resolution are you trying to use? You haven't mentioned it at all.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:38:00 - [54] I get 80 fps out of station on my laptop :P 8800GTS 512mb, 4GB ram, Dual 2.8 Cpu, 5200rpm hardrive (need to upgrade this) However running shadows in extreme is silly, you don't need 4000x4000 rez. I run at X2AA in 1900x1200. normal shadows, and normal HDR using nhancer to make AA work.
EliteSlave Minmatar M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.12.12 02:22:00 - [55] 180fps on average... Manufacturer: System manufacturer Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)4 QUAD CPU Q9650 @ 3.98GHz (4 CPUs), ~3.98GHz Memory: 8046MB RAM Hard Drive: 1310 GB Total Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 9800 Gx2 Monitor: Sony KDL-46S4100 Sound Card: Speakers (Audio Advantage SRM Device) Speakers/Headphones: Turtle Beach Ak-r8 Keyboard: Logitech G-15 Keyboard Mouse: Logitech G7 Mouse Mouse Surface: Operating System: Windows VistaÖ Ultimate (6.0, Build 6001) Service Pack 1 (6001.longhorn_rtm.080118-1840) Motherboard: Asus Striker Extreme
Darkeen Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.12 04:33:00 - [56] Edited by: Darkeen on 12/12/2008 04:35:18 Edited by: Darkeen on 12/12/2008 04:34:19 Edited by: Darkeen on 12/12/2008 04:33:12 I'm thinking it might be the hard drive.... Dell Inspiron 1420 Video: Nvidia 8400G - 128mg RAM I believe, running at 1200x800 (widescreen laptop) RAM: 2Gb Dual Core 1.6Ghz Intel Vista Home Basic EVE SETTINGS Cache: Low Sound (Audio and Voice): off Settings: All Off (except widescreen) No turrets, missiles, effects, Sun occlusion, nothing. Camera Shake off ADSL Speed: 512/128K - going toupgrade to ADSL2+ 20Mbps in New year so I'm hoping this may affect the speed somewhat (especially jumpgates, exiting/entering stations/ etc.) Thats all I can remember ATM but I've gone through every setting and guie for increasing the speed and cant see what to do to make it faster. It DOES go faster with No brackets and no overview but then I cant see anything and cant select anything and cant atttack, or mine or do anything so whats the point...... Currently running with very little brackets (ships and containers only) and overview set similarly but with gates and stations added... Its as good as its gotten... I was going to write why I keep playing but I dont really know. Its pretty bad.... unplayable ALMOST! Mining is barely ok though (for the first 15 minutes, then I have to go back to station reboot PC and start again to maintain the same speeds.... Missioning is the same, multiple jumps through gates slows it down more..... I'm thinking that it s a memory and hard drive speed (access and reading/writing to memory) issue... That means getting a new laptop though and with a young family and trygi for second child its not gonna happen for a LONG time... Have to (literaly) save my pennies.... PS: 30 fps in station - WOW, that ship spinning looks really cool for a very short time.... Regards, Jason Brisbane
Mes Ren No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.12 06:39:00 - [57] Originally by: Darkeen Edited by: Darkeen on 12/12/2008 04:35:18 Edited by: Darkeen on 12/12/2008 04:34:19 Edited by: Darkeen on 12/12/2008 04:33:12 I'm thinking it might be the hard drive.... Dell Inspiron 1420 Video: Nvidia 8400G - 128mg RAM I believe, running at 1200x800 (widescreen laptop) RAM: 2Gb Dual Core 1.6Ghz Intel Vista Home Basic EVE SETTINGS Cache: Low Sound (Audio and Voice): off Settings: All Off (except widescreen) No turrets, missiles, effects, Sun occlusion, nothing. Camera Shake off ADSL Speed: 512/128K - going toupgrade to ADSL2+ 20Mbps in New year so I'm hoping this may affect the speed somewhat (especially jumpgates, exiting/entering stations/ etc.) Thats all I can remember ATM but I've gone through every setting and guie for increasing the speed and cant see what to do to make it faster. It DOES go faster with No brackets and no overview but then I cant see anything and cant select anything and cant atttack, or mine or do anything so whats the point...... Currently running with very little brackets (ships and containers only) and overview set similarly but with gates and stations added... Its as good as its gotten... I was going to write why I keep playing but I dont really know. Its pretty bad.... unplayable ALMOST! Mining is barely ok though (for the first 15 minutes, then I have to go back to station reboot PC and start again to maintain the same speeds.... Missioning is the same, multiple jumps through gates slows it down more..... I'm thinking that it s a memory and hard drive speed (access and reading/writing to memory) issue... That means getting a new laptop though and with a young family and trygi for second child its not gonna happen for a LONG time... Have to (literaly) save my pennies.... PS: 30 fps in station - WOW, that ship spinning looks really cool for a very short time.... When was the last time you did a clean install of windows? Sounds like Vista (the resource hog) has some sort of memory leak going. I'm guessing you upgraded from win xp to vista? I'd recommend doing a clean install of Windows. ________________________ No Trademark -- Mes Ren, Mes Builder -- -- CEO --
Sic Volo	Posted - 2008.12.12 07:13:00 - [58] Edited by: Sic Volo on 12/12/2008 07:14:36 Before QR my 2.7ghz core duo with 2gb RAM and GTS 512 was smooth running 2 windowed clients on maxed graphics. With QR I experience dramatic change in performance even on minimal settings including freezes, lag, crashes, etc. When I stop the second client it goes back to normal. I tried to run both in fullscreen mode, without efect. Any advice? Edit: running XP pro with AV on the background (same as before QR)
Aero Zolic DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.12.12 07:18:00 - [59] Edited by: Aero Zolic on 12/12/2008 07:18:09 Originally by: Dechmeister Edited by: Dechmeister on 05/12/2008 04:56:53 E8400 @ 3.6GHz 8GB RAM 8800GTS 512 OC 1920x1200 everything maxed except running High shadows instead of Extreme (HDR+Bloom+High shadows > Extreme Shadows alone, Extreme Shadows+HDR+Bloom is a MASSIVE hit in FPS for no discerning changes) I get 140FPS outside, 250FPS in station. But I usually run 2x 1680x1050 without HDR+Bloom because I run 2 clients, I still get 85FPS with both outside, but for some very odd reason I get 30FPS when both are in station... luckily, I only remain in station to chage modules & talk to agents... but still strange from 250FPS to 2x 30FPS... meh. Make sure you have chosen right graphics cards for both clients (Display Adapter settings). Also turn Cache off. Also try changing Present Interval setting. Also having sound turned on in both clients might be problematic.
Faye Valerii Caldari Exeunt Omnes	Posted - 2008.12.12 09:08:00 - [60] Originally by: ZinderX500 Edited by: ZinderX500 on 02/12/2008 20:31:07 Originally by: Faye Valerii QR runs at a constant 60 fps on the updated engine, max everything except shadows which are on high instead of extreme, 1680x1050, 4xaa through the oblivion exe trick. Even when exiting the Caldari Navy station at M4 in Jita : ) [email protected], radeon 4870 1024mb Something there is wrong, mate. I'm running higher resolution than you with maxed aa,af,adaptive aa forced through Catalyst with MUCH MUCH worse CPU than yours and slightly less powerful GPU than yours and still getting more FPS. Did you try running EVE on a separate hard drive than the one that the operating system uses ? Also, different hard drive for Windows Virtual Memory ? These 2 along with Advanced Performance Drive Caching on your eve,windows,virtual memory drives should give you a good fps boost. You will need a UPS though for the advanced performance caching, just to be 100% sure you won't ever get a power outtage that it might result in files corruption. (yes, advanced performance caching might do that if power fails) Thanks for your concern but obviously I'm running with vsync on so my fps is capped at 60 :) Can't stand to play with tearing. Without vsync it goes way, way higher.



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