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Daneirkus Auralex The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore 57	Posted - 2012.04.09 21:38:00 - [1] - Quote Is it time to put our money where our mouths are? Reading thread after thread of this idea and that idea, the thought occurred - if CCP can't do everything players want them to do right now, why can't we give them that ability? Some may object that we already pay monthly subscriptions, and therefore shouldn't have to contribute any more. While I'd agree - but I'd also note that as a corporation, CCP's output is constrained by limited resources. Logic follows that by increasing their resources, we can increase their output. I'd bet that many of us wouldn't mind kicking in a few extra bucks if it meant getting a desired feature twice a fast. We live in an age where social media and micro-donations have the potential to amass substantial funding for minimal effort. Candidates could include new Clear Skies episodes (though not created by CCP), a feature length EVE movie based on the Cinematic Trailer, or something else. We're told that adding tessalation effects would require a whole year. What if we could speed that up? Anyone who's watched that trailer has probably seen top-rated comments such as "I"M THROWING MY MONEY AT THE SCREEN BUT NOTHING IS HAPPENING" - we're a passionate community with appeal that extends well beyond our current player-base. And ME3 generated $80,000 in a matter of weeks. Instead of watching those wallets bound off of computer monitors around the world, perhaps we should hold out a bucket? This phenomena has already pervaded the music industry, with fan-funded albums. Being a "community of firsts," I can't think of anywhere more appropriate to create the changes we seek, ourselves. Kickstarter, Fundly... the possibilities are endless. In this thread, please discuss ideas, suggestions for fundraising items, or reasons why this shouldn't be. With our numbers united, we quite literally have the power to realize almost anything we can imagine.
Lapine Davion Outer Ring Applied Logistics 177	Posted - 2012.04.09 21:41:00 - [2] - Quote Kickstarter? It seems like a lot of game companies are using that to get initial funding and to judge how popular an idea is.
Daneirkus Auralex The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore 57	Posted - 2012.04.09 21:44:00 - [3] - Quote Lapine Davion wrote: Kickstarter? It seems like a lot of game companies are using that to get initial funding and to judge how popular an idea is. Indeed - kickstarter is used for a ton of projects these days, from game development to art galleries. It could be a perfect method to fund, say, a feature length EVE movie. My only qualm with them is the amount they shave off the top...
Kattshiro Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 52	Posted - 2012.04.09 23:31:00 - [4] - Quote Just go buy plex if you honestly think this is a good idea. Me I pay for a service, and that's the end of it. I don't pay Mazda more money for future cars. (I dont buy stock) So go buy CCP stock (though im more than fairly certain they're not public) if you're that devoted... But I will say it's not a pure money issue rather man power, and man power training
Mathias Hex Hillcrest Armaments 32	Posted - 2012.04.10 00:16:00 - [5] - Quote All CCP has to do is cut the CEO's salary in half and they could double the number of devs. Sorry Hilmar Petursson you really dont need another new yacht in order to pick up chicks! Best just pay them outright instead of pretending they actually like you... Is prostitution legal in Iceland? Anyhow paying for prostitutes is WAY cheaper than trying to impress women and could save any corporation ALOT of money since the rich fat cats wouldnt need such a big salary. I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k.
Jorma Amatin The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.04.10 00:39:00 - [6] - Quote Not the EVE we deserved but the EVE we needed. Nothing less than a game. Shining. Stop using your money to try and influence a game's direction (ME3 hah), use it for something better like charities to feed and help the millions of starving and suffering in third-world nations.
Daneirkus Auralex The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore 57	Posted - 2012.04.10 02:09:00 - [7] - Quote As always on the EVE forums, an impressive demonstration of logic, reading comprehension and constructive discourse. Let's simplify the question: If donating 5 of your dollars meant that in a few months we'd see a new, beautifully rendered, feature-length "Clear Skies 4," would you donate it?
Serene Repose Perkone Caldari State 560	Posted - 2012.04.10 02:14:00 - [8] - Quote Let's have a cookie sale! Car wash? Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold
Cat o'Ninetails Rancer Defence League 9	Posted - 2012.04.10 02:28:00 - [9] - Quote They just saved a bunch of money with some staffing decisions, and they should have significantly cut down on the GM workload with some admittedly neat tricks. I'm sure CCP knows what they're doing and where they're headed. Take what I just said, and sugar coat it, because it isn't meant to sound as snarky as it does lol x

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Kietay Ayari Caldari State 326	Posted - 2012.04.10 03:29:00 - [11] - Quote If anyone is going to donate more than $10 I recommend making a new account and training it for 6 months and then selling it in the character bazaar c: You can get ISK and support CCP at the same time! Ferox #1
Daneirkus Auralex The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore 57	Posted - 2012.04.10 03:40:00 - [12] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: Let's have a cookie sale! Car wash? Meanwhile, somewhere in reality, a crappy band raises $10,000 to record a crappy album, and some other guys raise $9,000 to make clocks based on radial geometry. But I know it's much easier to post a brief, snarky comment on the EVE forums rather than actually comprehend what you're reading and reply. My apologies for disturbing your mining. While perhaps precarious to attempt accelerating feature development, it would almost certainly work for peripheral goals, such as a feature length movie, or Clear Skies 4 (which CCP has nothing to do with, anyway). This idea isn't about "paying Mazda for future cars." It's about making possible developments and content that we all want. As an aside, the general state of being on these forums is terrible. With the way many posters on here act, I wouldn't blame CCP, were they to ignore them.
Bluddwolf Heimatar Military Industries 3	Posted - 2012.04.10 03:52:00 - [13] - Quote I'm all for CCP making more money. I'm also pretty happy with the product that they have now, and with the pace in which they have rolled out their expansions. Here is are a few easy and fast ways for CCP to make money off of EVE: 1. Release an anthology novel of the chronicles. These stories are already written and owned by CCP. For many of us, who don't like to read on the computer monitor (PDF format) a paper back version of the same stories would sell very well. 2. EON Magazine could be expanded to 6 issues per year and sold for a much lower subscription rate. $14.95 per issue is just too high, essentially equalling a full month's worth of the game subscription. To join Heimatar Military Industries-á visit website or conatct Bluddwolf in-gamewww.hmi.guildlaunch.com
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H. 4	Posted - 2012.04.10 04:14:00 - [14] - Quote I know this may come as a surprise, but throwing more of something at a project, isn't always the solution. CCP got itself into a mess growing too fast and uncontrolled. They basically imploded GÇô and we got the crap that was 2010/11. Let's see them actually re-structure, re-align and succeed again; before we start throwing more money at them. If EVE can't survive and improve as a 15USD subscription game WITH a microtransaction system on top of that, in these F2P-times, then it will go the way of the dinosaurs.
Panacani Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2012.04.10 04:15:00 - [15] - Quote As long as I could direct the money I 'donate' to the projects I want to see completed, I would shovel money at them. Without control over where the extra funding goes, there is no point - like someone else said just go buy Plex.
Daneirkus Auralex The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore 58	Posted - 2012.04.10 04:41:00 - [16] - Quote Pohbis wrote: Let's see them actually re-structure, re-align and succeed again; before we start throwing more money at them. I'd agree with you on that. If an organization is ineffective, it won't matter what amount of resources it has at its disposal. Panacani wrote: As long as I could direct the money I 'donate' to the projects I want to see completed, I would shovel money at them. I also agree, here. Fundraising campaigns such as Kickstarter require specific fundraising targets and a specific, pre-determined goal. In other words, we couldn't just raise money for CCP - we'd have to attempt to raise X number of dollars for the purpose of achieving Y goal. If the fundraising goal isn't met, then the campaign is nullified and everyone gets their money back. Re-framing the Question It's becoming clear that raising funding for the development of specific features is both undesirable and unfeasible. But what about 3rd party content like "Clear Skies" or a hardcopy printing run of the Chronicles, like Bluddwolf suggested? Table-top ship models? I think there are many opportunities to add depth to our game experience by filling in the gaps CCP has left open for us.
Selinate 848	Posted - 2012.04.10 04:44:00 - [17] - Quote so you want me to pay more for a game that I already pay for? FYI, money doesn't always simply equal faster results...
Bluddwolf Heimatar Military Industries 4	Posted - 2012.04.10 04:46:00 - [18] - Quote Pohbis wrote: CCP got itself into a mess growing too fast and uncontrolled. They basically imploded GÇô and we got the crap that was 2010/11. If EVE can't survive and improve as a 15USD subscription game WITH a microtransaction system on top of that, in these F2P-times, then it will go the way of the dinosaurs. Huh?? "Growing too fast and uncontrolled" - EVE has been fairly steady at 400k subscription base for almost its entire existance. Sure, it may have ticked up or down a few 10k, but for the most part steady. Its micortransactions are limited and at the present completely cosmetic. I certainly hope it stays that way. To join Heimatar Military Industries-á visit website or conatct Bluddwolf in-gamewww.hmi.guildlaunch.com
Panacani Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2012.04.10 04:52:00 - [19] - Quote Fellow is talking about donations. Not a mandatory subscription hike, nobody is asking you to pay more. Also, yes everyone knows that you don't get a 1 to 1 return on investment here, you don't sound smart saying the same thing everyone else says. I disagree with fundraising specific features/projects being unfeasible. It is entirely feasible, add another team that could tackle an entirely new area that is currently not being touched (UI?). Funded entirely by donations from those with a few bucks to spare on a hobby? Completely feasible.
Panacani Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2012.04.10 04:58:00 - [20] - Quote Personally I'd rather be able to direct x money each billing cycle to x game system or feature which would be directly applied to the budget of said feature rather than a single-issue or short term 'fundraiser'.

Daneirkus Auralex The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore 62	Posted - 2012.04.10 05:11:00 - [21] - Quote Panacani wrote: Personally I'd rather be able to direct x money each billing cycle to x game system or feature which would be directly applied to the budget of said feature rather than a single-issue or short term 'fundraiser'. That definitely sounds like a great way to contribute to specific feature development. Maybe Kickstarter campaigns would be more appropriate for projects like Clear Skies 4 (which wouldn't go to CCP anyway). I've emailed both CCP and Kickstarter to see if their terms would permit this sort of 3rd party fundraising.. in the meantime, if people have ideas for possible campaign subjects (something specific that donations would be applied to) please share them here.
Meryl SinGarda Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team 434	Posted - 2012.04.10 05:35:00 - [22] - Quote You have the ability to give CCP as much money as you want, or anyone for that matter, without Kickstarter. Buy PLEX. CEO of B.U.T.T. -á(recruitment is open) Twitter: @MerylSinGarda http://EVEportraits.com
Daneirkus Auralex The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore 63	Posted - 2012.04.10 05:40:00 - [23] - Quote Meryl SinGarda wrote: You have the ability to give CCP as much money as you want, or anyone for that matter, without Kickstarter. Buy PLEX. You've missed the point.
Panacani Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2012.04.10 05:54:00 - [24] - Quote Meryl SinGarda wrote: You have the ability to give CCP as much money as you want, or anyone for that matter, without Kickstarter. Buy PLEX. I don't pretend to study ccp financial reports, but I understood plex is just a deferred sub. Unless of course your saying buy plex then promptly destroy it. Regardless, without the ability to direct where your donation goes, your just buying a steak dinner for hilmar.
Panacani Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2012.04.10 06:02:00 - [25] - Quote New music tracks please. And not even subject to diminishing roi.
Raven Ether Republic University Minmatar Republic 143	Posted - 2012.04.10 08:05:00 - [26] - Quote Kickstarter is for indie developers, stop promoting its use by large companies. I've even heard ****** propositions to donate money to Activision Blizzard and EA, what a *** **** idea. People buy into all their consumer ripfest ** and want even to donate their money on top
supersexysucker Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group Ayn Sof Aur 68	Posted - 2012.04.10 08:10:00 - [27] - Quote Ya we should as soon as ccp stops spending our sub money on WiS, Dust 514, and WoD.
Sin Pew SWARTA Mostly Clueless 17	Posted - 2012.04.10 08:52:00 - [28] - Quote I'd rather donate money to see stuff fixed or improved in game, like corp-hangar ACL to name one, than see it wasted in eye/ear-candy stuff like tessalation. If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary-wise; what it is it wouldn't be, and what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?
Natassia Krasnoo R3D SHIFT 1	Posted - 2012.04.10 08:55:00 - [29] - Quote Daneirkus Auralex wrote: [quote=Panacani]I've emailed both CCP and Kickstarter to see if their terms would permit this sort of 3rd party fundraising.. in the meantime, if people have ideas for possible campaign subjects (something specific that donations would be applied to) please share them here. A feature length movie is long overdue for EVE. The recent trailers using the CG characters are pretty good. I'd love to see them take that tech and do a movie or even a short 30 min per episode Web Series or TV series like SW: The Clone Wars(only not as bad). Live actors would most likely kill any sense of connection the player base has and would probably end in tears. I think the animated route would be the way to go and maybe less expensive(I'm not really sure how much production of those short trailers costs though). Start at the beginning with the wars between the empires and the Jovians role in bringing the Capsule technology to New Eden and go from there...through the battles that solidified the empires and into the present time. Develop characters we know and make new ones we don't. There are countless possibilities as is evident by the fan fiction that has already been done and the openness of the EVE Universe. CCP has an astounding Intellectual Property that is very under utilized or has yet to be tapped. I seriously doubt we could raise the funding they would need to create a full length animated movie, let alone convince them to take that kind of risk on an investment, but it would be nice to see. Maybe a short Web Series or TV show would be a step in the right direction and if popular enough could spawn the feature length film later. I really like the recent trailers and would love to see much more done with that tech. I'd throw money their way for that. Hell they could do a deal with VALVE or APPLE to distribute it through STEAM or iTUNES for a small price and I'd still buy it. If you agree let it be known.
Meryl SinGarda Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team 434	Posted - 2012.04.10 13:01:00 - [30] - Quote Daneirkus Auralex wrote: Meryl SinGarda wrote: You have the ability to give CCP as much money as you want, or anyone for that matter, without Kickstarter. Buy PLEX. You've missed the point. Nope, buy PLEX. /thread. CEO of B.U.T.T. -á(recruitment is open) Twitter: @MerylSinGarda http://EVEportraits.com



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