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Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.12.04 09:47:00 - [1] It's because "you people" (the ones that have more than just one account just to make ISK in-game) are either stupid or seriously "mathematically challenged". It should be obvious that there aren't THAT many things you can do with a character that WON'T involve actually spending time/effort on it... more often that not, much less time and effort than you initially thought you'd be capable of putting in. And then, in order to justify yourself the existance of an alt, you start running it on GTCs instead of a subscription, compounding the problem even further. Let me give you some clear examples... you might start off with one mission-runner character, and you make 20 mil ISK/hour. You run a couple of full weekends of mission-running and make a bundle, then think to yourself "gee, I'd really like to have another character to make that kind of money with". AFTER you either spend the time to train that second one (or ISK to buy it) and start using it, you notice that you're not making quite 20 mil ISK/hour/char, but a bit less. Not only that, but you heavily cut down on time spent running missions, AND you pay some of that for the GTCs needed for that character. In reality, MOST of you will probably need a couple of real-time years to break even, IF you even make it that long and EVER break even. So... want to have cheap GTCs ? SELL YOUR ALTS TO SOME NEWBIES THAT GOT THE MONEY SELLING GTCs. And encourage everybody else you know to do the same. Then get a second/part-time RL job and start selling GTCs for ISK for your main, and pay your main with a CC. There you go - less effort, more ISK, cheaper GTCs for everybody (else). HAPPY NOW ? _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Amjax	Posted - 2008.12.04 10:02:00 - [2] Originally by: Akita T It's because "you people" (the ones that have more than just one account just to make ISK in-game) are either stupid or seriously "mathematically challenged". It should be obvious that there aren't THAT many things you can do with a character that WON'T involve actually spending time/effort on it... more often that not, much less time and effort than you initially thought you'd be capable of putting in. And then, in order to justify yourself the existance of an alt, you start running it on GTCs instead of a subscription, compounding the problem even further. Let me give you some clear examples... you might start off with one mission-runner character, and you make 20 mil ISK/hour. You run a couple of full weekends of mission-running and make a bundle, then think to yourself "gee, I'd really like to have another character to make that kind of money with". AFTER you either spend the time to train that second one (or ISK to buy it) and start using it, you notice that you're not making quite 20 mil ISK/hour/char, but a bit less. Not only that, but you heavily cut down on time spent running missions, AND you pay some of that for the GTCs needed for that character. In reality, MOST of you will probably need a couple of real-time years to break even, IF you even make it that long and EVER break even. So... want to have cheap GTCs ? SELL YOUR ALTS TO SOME NEWBIES THAT GOT THE MONEY SELLING GTCs. And encourage everybody else you know to do the same. Then get a second/part-time RL job and start selling GTCs for ISK for your main, and pay your main with a CC. There you go - less effort, more ISK, cheaper GTCs for everybody (else). HAPPY NOW ? So do you talk to your EPeen whilst you stroke it?
Frug Repo Industries	Posted - 2008.12.04 10:06:00 - [3] Another carebear post by akita You know, a lot of people have alts for things other than mission running. Like, I dunno, probing, scouting, industry, and directly helping with combat (usually falcon alts from what I hear). But I guess if all you do is missions your paragraph rant has some merit. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Kulmid The Bastards	Posted - 2008.12.04 10:09:00 - [4] Its no mystery that missioning/ratting for ISK isn't a very efficient method of getting it. While the most efficient ingame method (scamming aside), still horribly ineffecient compared to sweeping a floor for a few hours and selling a GTC for 600mil.
Gankbear Amarr Gankbears	Posted - 2008.12.04 10:11:00 - [5] your opinions, can you keep them? ----------------------------- Gankbears Sarcasm hits fail thread for 249 lolcatz causing it to be locked. CCP Mitnal laid the final blow.
Vek NaVek	Posted - 2008.12.04 10:19:00 - [6] 'Akita T, Better than everyone else' Would make a great t-shirt slogan
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.04 10:20:00 - [7] Let me point out a fundamental fact about marketing. Item value = reasonable. Item availability = not very high. Item demand = Very high. Item cost = Whatever the mug is prepared to pay. Which leads to: Buyer = mug Seller = laughing all the way to the bank. Get the idea? -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
Doctor Penguin Amarr Shadow Command Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.12.04 10:21:00 - [8] Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 04/12/2008 10:21:37 I've just had a telephone call from my superiors within the USPR (United Socialist Penguin Republic) and they're calling this a thread a thread half full of reasonless OP bashing. Put up some decent counter points, like Kulmid, Dantes Revenge or Frug, or get out of the thread. Anyway, I agree that something has to be done about GTC inflation, but the higher it goes, the less alt abuse there is in game (as more people EMR over stupid prices). So this should be a self fixing problem. (Dante posted while I was typing this, but that is a good point.) ________________________________________________
Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.04 10:23:00 - [9] Originally by: Doctor Penguin Anyway, I agree that something has to be done about GTC inflation Why?
Vek NaVek	Posted - 2008.12.04 10:25:00 - [10] Higher the better. If you dont know why, I can post a reply to explain it to you.

Confuzer Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2008.12.04 10:28:00 - [11] Or maybe those "mathematically challenged" people make 2 GTC's an hour profit with EACH extra account? If you don't, you are just a n00b ;) ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.
Kulmid The Bastards	Posted - 2008.12.04 10:33:00 - [12] Originally by: Confuzer Or maybe those "mathematically challenged" people make 2 GTC's an hour profit with EACH extra account? If you don't, you are just a n00b ;) I'm going to assume this requires a lot of capital and possibly a lot of time. And he seems to be mostly addressing the people who create alts for missioning. Those are the "mathematically challenged".
Captain Pompous	Posted - 2008.12.04 10:34:00 - [13] Originally by: Akita T It's because "you people" (the ones that have more than just one account just to make ISK in-game) are either stupid or seriously "mathematically challenged". It should be obvious that there aren't THAT many things you can do with a character that WON'T involve actually spending time/effort on it... more often that not, much less time and effort than you initially thought you'd be capable of putting in. And then, in order to justify yourself the existance of an alt, you start running it on GTCs instead of a subscription, compounding the problem even further. Let me give you some clear examples... you might start off with one mission-runner character, and you make 20 mil ISK/hour. You run a couple of full weekends of mission-running and make a bundle, then think to yourself "gee, I'd really like to have another character to make that kind of money with". AFTER you either spend the time to train that second one (or ISK to buy it) and start using it, you notice that you're not making quite 20 mil ISK/hour/char, but a bit less. Not only that, but you heavily cut down on time spent running missions, AND you pay some of that for the GTCs needed for that character. In reality, MOST of you will probably need a couple of real-time years to break even, IF you even make it that long and EVER break even. So... want to have cheap GTCs ? SELL YOUR ALTS TO SOME NEWBIES THAT GOT THE MONEY SELLING GTCs. And encourage everybody else you know to do the same. Then get a second/part-time RL job and start selling GTCs for ISK for your main, and pay your main with a CC. There you go - less effort, more ISK, cheaper GTCs for everybody (else). HAPPY NOW ? get a clue you ANNOYING little TROLLOP
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2008.12.04 10:36:00 - [14] Higher GTC prices hurt isk farmer because they make less from their own farmed isk. Yay GTC prices. \o/
Sasha Sen Gallente United Industries LTD. Shadow Empire.	Posted - 2008.12.04 10:40:00 - [15] The way I see it: Players who play a lot make a lot of isk, so they buy GTC's, people who work a lot make less isk but they can sell GTC's. If the ballance between no life players and workers is tipping towards the no life's, then GTC's will go up, if more people would work and try to sell then price would go down. Whats this break even thing you are talking about? break even with what? time spent in game vs work? _______________________________________________________________________________________________
Mia Morningstar	Posted - 2008.12.04 10:41:00 - [16] Originally by: Confuzer Or maybe those "mathematically challenged" people make 2 GTC's an hour profit with EACH extra account? If you don't, you are just a n00b ;) 1200M/h profit? you must be a trillionaire, dear sir. congratulations.
Confuzer Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2008.12.04 10:43:00 - [17] Edited by: Confuzer on 04/12/2008 10:43:34 Originally by: Kulmid Originally by: Confuzer Or maybe those "mathematically challenged" people make 2 GTC's an hour profit with EACH extra account? If you don't, you are just a n00b ;) I'm going to assume this requires a lot of capital and possibly a lot of time. And he seems to be mostly addressing the people who create alts for missioning. Those are the "mathematically challenged". Well offcourse, but if there are alot of "wealthy" accounts in eve and not enough GTC's, the prices will rise. (and don't overestimate the time, there are alot of smart traders ingame) ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.
Gankbear Amarr Gankbears	Posted - 2008.12.04 10:47:00 - [18] Originally by: Doctor Penguin Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 04/12/2008 10:21:37 Anyway, I agree that something has to be done about GTC inflation, quote] Obama called, they'd like you to join a Federal Task force on GTC Inflation. They've decided the world economic crisis is a waste of their efforts and want to put together a multi-billion $ rescue deal for GTC's. Economics Experts are Calling This a Communist Thread. ----------------------------- Gankbears Sarcasm hits fail thread for 249 lolcatz causing it to be locked. CCP Mitnal laid the final blow.
LvxAeterna The Greater Goon	Posted - 2008.12.04 10:49:00 - [19] Edited by: LvxAeterna on 04/12/2008 10:50:18 Originally by: Akita T It's because "you people" (the ones that have more than just one blah blah blah blah How many alts do you own? You seem to have first-hand experience, judging by what you wrote. Let me tell you something-- people like me have multiple alts. Funded by time cards. None of which are revenue generators. I am not worried about breaking even. I have enough disposable income in real life that allows me to afford a reasonably lavish lifestyle in eve. As a "have," speaking to a "have not" .... TOO BAD! I bet that makes you REALLY mad doesn't it? Let this be an incentive for YOU to achieve more in life, so you can afford more in eve.
Kiotsu Adler	Posted - 2008.12.04 10:51:00 - [20] GTCs are so expensive because people has too much free time on their hands.

LvxAeterna The Greater Goon	Posted - 2008.12.04 10:53:00 - [21] Edited by: LvxAeterna on 04/12/2008 10:55:36 Originally by: Akita T It's because "you people" (the ones that have more than just one blah blah blah blah If I sold my alts to newbies making money off GTC's, that would encourage newbies to deal more GTC's, wouldn't it? Demand would increase, prices of GTC's increase.. and ....uh oh, someone didn't think through this well enough
Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.04 10:59:00 - [22] Originally by: LvxAeterna Edited by: LvxAeterna on 04/12/2008 10:55:36 Originally by: Akita T It's because "you people" (the ones that have more than just one blah blah blah blah If I sold my alts to newbies making money off GTC's, that would encourage newbies to deal more GTC's, wouldn't it? Demand would increase, prices of GTC's increase.. and ....uh oh, someone didn't think through this well enough Um, read his post right to the end. That's what he said.
Plim Gallente Oursulaert Technology Institute	Posted - 2008.12.04 11:07:00 - [23] Crazy ranting thread targeted at an imaginary person concocted in the authors mind? Yep that's general discussion. ---- Welcome to the EVE Onlne forums, a low IQ society.
Carniflex Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.12.04 11:13:00 - [24] Originally by: Akita T In reality, MOST of you will probably need a couple of real-time years to break even, IF you even make it that long and EVER break even. I think your mission running example is a bit bad one, as when you use that alt properly you will gain more isk with GTC funded alt than solo if you run missions for approx 6-8 h / week. Many mission runners do that. Second aspect is ofc that if you need or want second account anyway, then as long as you 'break even' or take only slight loss you don't worry about it a lot. Let's say R&D datacores, POS gunners, Cyno alts, Capital alts, alt scouts ... etc, etc. It's like sov claiming towers in 0.0. If you have them anyway you can as well use them even if they do not make profit.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.12.04 11:32:00 - [25] Originally by: LvxAeterna Let this be an incentive for YOU to achieve more in life, so you can afford more in eve. There is so much wrong with this it practically hurts. It's offset by the warm fuzzy feeling of someone paying a premium for the privilege of having the consequences which define EVE removed though. - DesuSigs
Avram deman	Posted - 2008.12.04 11:37:00 - [26] I just pay for both accounts with a credit card AND buy a GTC from time to time if I worked too much during the month to farm.
Franga Gristle Industries	Posted - 2008.12.04 11:41:00 - [27] Posting in an Akita arrogance thread. ----------
Vele Nori Amarr	Posted - 2008.12.04 11:41:00 - [28] I do not understand what the point of this thread is. To persuade GTC buyers to start selling GTCs and close down their accounts? Would not they be doing so already if they figured it was worth it for them?
Vek NaVek	Posted - 2008.12.04 11:43:00 - [29] Originally by: Vele Nori I do not understand what the point of this thread is. To persuade GTC buyers to start selling GTCs and close down their accounts? Would not they be doing so already if they figured it was worth it for them? The thread is a troll, and the OP knows all.
Plim Gallente Oursulaert Technology Institute	Posted - 2008.12.04 11:47:00 - [30] Originally by: Vele Nori I do not understand what the point of this thread is. To persuade GTC buyers to start selling GTCs and close down their accounts? Would not they be doing so already if they figured it was worth it for them? The PURPOSE, is to RANDOMLY insert bolded CAPS into sentences. ---- Welcome to the EVE Onlne forums, a low IQ society.



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