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Malente
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Posted - 2008.12.04 19:13:00 -
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Able to do lvl 4 missions now and am just wondering what I'm getting into.
Thanks
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King ParD
Intolerable Tyranny
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Posted - 2008.12.04 19:17:00 -
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Yes, there are frigates that warp scramble and web in level 4 missions. I also ran a level 3 yesterday which also had warp scramblers in it.
Drones are your friend.
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Malente
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Posted - 2008.12.04 19:24:00 -
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I only play every so often so I don't know nearly all that I should. Are you saying there are drones that can stabilize my warp field?
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Neddy Fox
Gallente
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.04 19:29:00 -
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No, they kill the frigs fast :P
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King ParD
Intolerable Tyranny
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Posted - 2008.12.04 19:31:00 -
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Negative. There are no wcs drones. I was referring to combat drones - when you have a big expensive ship at risk, a simple tiny little combat drone can make all the difference.
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Malente
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Posted - 2008.12.04 19:35:00 -
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Ok so what you guys are saying is to carry drones to kill the fast moving frigates that will jam/scramble me. Correct?
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King ParD
Intolerable Tyranny
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Posted - 2008.12.04 19:48:00 -
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You need something to handle frigates.... I don't think a large tachyon beam laser is the answer you're looking for. Combat drones are a solution. You could also try smartbombs, or any other small weapon.
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2008.12.04 19:49:00 -
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Correct. Small ships don't have a lot of problems dealing with frigates, but battlecruisers and battleships do. It's a lot better to sic a few Hobgoblin IIs (or your flavor of choice) on the frigates while you deal with the big ships.
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Malente
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Posted - 2008.12.04 19:55:00 -
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I'm flying a raven now and am trying to decide using the heavy attack drones or the scouts. Which do you guys think is better for dealing with the frigates?
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Alex Skyhunter
Project Mirage
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Posted - 2008.12.04 19:59:00 -
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the raven has space for 5 light and 5 med drones, carry both types, and use lights against frigate-sized targets and medium drones against cruiser-sized and larger targets.
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FT Diomedes
Gallente
Ductus Exemplo
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Posted - 2008.12.04 20:13:00 -
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 Originally by: Malente
I'm flying a raven now and am trying to decide using the heavy attack drones or the scouts. Which do you guys think is better for dealing with the frigates?
Carry five Tech II light drones and 5 Tech II medium drones. I carry Hobgoblin and Hammerhead IIs. Use the light drones to kill off frigates. Use the medium drones to help kill everything else.
It worries me that someone who doesn't know which drones to use is contemplating Level 4 missions.
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Malente
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Posted - 2008.12.04 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: FT Diomedes
It worries me that someone who doesn't know which drones to use is contemplating Level 4 missions.
I've used small launchers as I'm more missile oriented. Now that I have 6 launcher slots and 2 turrets I plan on using the launchers for long range/hard hitting and drones for up close. So that's the reason I haven't used drones much.
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Ghengis Tia
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Posted - 2008.12.04 21:01:00 -
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You will need to train up your drone skills ASAP.
Kill-Mission Surviival Guide
You need to research each mission at the above link. I print the mission write-up with all comments and keep a file on hand. That way you can study the particulars beforehand and refer to it when doing the mission.
Use of drones in Level IV's have a high degree of complexity, sometimes you can use them, others not (or you get full-room aggro, not a good thing). I suggest you become familiar with their deployment and management during battle by doing some level III's. Use them extensively to guage their speed, firepower, and survivability.
Each race has specific drones that give out specific damage. Caldari has Hornet (light) and Vespa (Medium) that give out kinetic damage. Gallente has Hobgoblin (light) and Hammerheads (Medium) that give out thermal damage. A lot of pilots use Hobs and Hammers as default drones, since all rats are more or less vulnerable to thermal damage.
Any webbing/scrambling frigs should be a high priority target. Once you get used to a mission and your ability to tank it, you can ease off a bit and not be so concerned about frigs. Anyone who has lost a BS (and I have) because you didn't take care of the scrambling frigs realize how deadly a weapon they can be.
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Bloody Rabbit
Jita Miners
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Posted - 2008.12.04 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Malente
I've used small launchers as I'm more missile oriented. Now that I have 6 launcher slots and 2 turrets I plan on using the launchers for long range/hard hitting and drones for up close. So that's the reason I haven't used drones much.
If you run missions against Guristas pirates be ready to get jammed and not be able to do anything. I have lost a few ravens/golems to the guristas because of warp scramble frigs with lots of jammers.
I have only lost ships when the shields weren't perma-run, you would think that I would only run those setups but no I still fit non perma setups.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.12.05 01:59:00 -
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not as much as they should...
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Lrrp
Minmatar
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.05 02:44:00 -
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Depending on mission, if scrammer frigs are out beyond 40k, cruise missiles will kill them fairly quick. Learning the missions, how aggro develops and killing the scram frigs are all part of missioning. You might also look at webber drones to help out.
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Jon Neeley001
Caldari
Notorious Organization of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.12.07 10:08:00 -
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i find med scouts can get most frigates except the t2 ones so i generally let my meds go and kill while i kill the bs/bc/cru in that order so i reduce the incoming damage and dont need to warp out.
so basically if you control the aggro, specific tank, and fit the correct type of damage for the rats the warp scrambling frigs shouldnt really bother you
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Chris Tao
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Posted - 2008.12.07 11:58:00 -
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Drone V // <-- gives you 5 drones
Scout Drone Operation V // <--- extra drone range from your ship
Gallente Drone Specialization II // <-- this gives you Hammer head II
Then get this skillz in any order to IV
Drone Navigation // <-- Faster drones
Drone Sharpshooting // <--- Better optimal range
Drone Interfacing // <-- 20% damage/level
Combat drone Operation <--- 5% damage /level
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.07 13:20:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 07/12/2008 13:20:41
Light drones are your best bet although T2 mediums are very good as well. I would always recommend keeping a few in reserve until you know you can handle the incoming DPS. Sending them out too early can lead to you losing them followed by your ship. If you don't lose your ship can be left like a lemon unable to warp out and unable to kill them. In that situation just start moving away from the warp in point. Eventually the rats will give up and retreat leaving you free to run away.
Another useful option is to take out the frigs at range. Most weapons can one shot kill a frig when it's a long way away or MWDing in toward you. This tactic is best reserved for those situations when you know you have plenty of tank for the bigger things.
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Maria Kalista
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Posted - 2008.12.08 10:15:00 -
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I did yesterday one of the lvl 4 versions of 'The Blockade'. Having defeated it before within an hour I went confidently in.
45! frikking minutes later I was still chewing on the 2nd wave. Because of 8-6 tracking disruptors I couldn't hit a thing. Had to wait until my Hammerhead II's killed off all the BC's.
What I want to say is that warp scramble is not the only thing you need to fear doing lvl 4's.
Be *sure* you can perma-tank the mission, if the above happens and or you are warp scrambled, and your drones need to bail you out.
Another trick, with missions like 'The Blockade' or 'Stop the Thief!' is canceling your first warp to it, right after you started it, then re-warp to the mission but now (you can choose and arrive at whatever distance you like) within a 70 KM range. Esspecially in 'stop the thief' its important not to be on the same point the mission originally places you on, cause the second wave will land right on your roof *with* warp scramblers. (In an other life I lost 2 T2 fitted mega's, straight in a row, to that mission.  )
If missions are taking to long, leave and salvage first, then come back next day, preferable before DT  . The loot alone, makes the agents bonus seem like little tokens.
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Cfiloruz Xilocient
Amarr
Elderan Shipyards
SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2008.12.08 10:52:00 -
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5x hammers 5x hobbgoblins after QR is a must.
hammers encounter epic fail on elite frigs. but hammers are useful if you stil have few cruisers/destroyers left and you're working on BS's yourself
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
The Firm.
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Posted - 2008.12.08 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Malente
Ok so what you guys are saying is to carry drones to kill the fast moving frigates that will jam/scramble me. Correct?
Yes. I would very strongly advise that you get T2 small/medium drones before you start doing level 4 missions.
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Shaen Vesuvius
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Posted - 2008.12.08 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Malente
Ok so what you guys are saying is to carry drones to kill the fast moving frigates that will jam/scramble me. Correct?
Yes. I would very strongly advise that you get T2 small/medium drones before you start doing level 4 missions.
I have no drone skills, let alone t2 drones. No battleship either. lv 4 just needs a good tank to pull off. (reading mission description what to tank against is a must.)
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FT Diomedes
Gallente
Ductus Exemplo
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Posted - 2008.12.08 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Shaen Vesuvius
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Malente
Ok so what you guys are saying is to carry drones to kill the fast moving frigates that will jam/scramble me. Correct?
Yes. I would very strongly advise that you get T2 small/medium drones before you start doing level 4 missions.
I have no drone skills, let alone t2 drones. No battleship either. lv 4 just needs a good tank to pull off. (reading mission description what to tank against is a must.)
There is a difference between completing a mission and making effective use of your time. I could complete a bunch of Level 4s in an Assault Frigate, but it would still be a waste of my time.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
The Firm.
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Posted - 2008.12.08 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Shaen Vesuvius
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Malente
Ok so what you guys are saying is to carry drones to kill the fast moving frigates that will jam/scramble me. Correct?
Yes. I would very strongly advise that you get T2 small/medium drones before you start doing level 4 missions.
I have no drone skills, let alone t2 drones. No battleship either. lv 4 just needs a good tank to pull off. (reading mission description what to tank against is a must.)
Good for you. You can hardly deny that battleships are the most commonly used and effective ships for levels 4s, though, and that if you're in one it is a very very good idea to have a flight or two of t2 drones to kill tackling frigates.
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Glane Sardar
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Posted - 2008.12.08 23:14:00 -
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if not sure, fly a shuttle to the mission area, you will most likely lose the shuttle, but gives u a chance to set bookmarks at a more suitable range instead of warping in at 100km and finding yourself 20km from the beacon....
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