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DownTwisTeD	Posted - 2008.12.05 07:20:00 - [1] Edited by: DownTwisTeD on 05/12/2008 07:21:41 07:20:27 now that the bs is worth about what a frig is in combat i would ask ccp to fix the npc's if they can. i am sick of losing high end bs to frig attacks/cruisers that realy take no risk to themselves when traping down a solo bs npcing in 00 systems. nothing like watching a 200mil bs go down to 3 frigs i cant hit and a cruiser jamming me while two lords are pounding me. it just ant right and it is a exploit in my books. i lost a 240 mil bs to a solo arazu while two lords where pounding on me. its just a real **** off to see these cheap ships having a field day like this with bs.. CAN WE PLEASE HAVE A REAL BS AGAIN IN EVE.. why don't you just take them out of the game.. every time a interceptor or frig gets them npcing they are food.. it takes no risk for these ships that dont cost crap to take down something that can take a week to earn for a lot of players.. everyone is not rich in eve you know.. fix the dam npc's so at lest they stop shooting when attacked.. you can do that right!!
Karille Gallente Cold Templars Templar Initiative	Posted - 2008.12.05 07:22:00 - [2] I think I speak for everyone when I say LOL @ OP. It's rock paper scissors, sweetie pie.
Malen Nenokal Eden Federal Recon	Posted - 2008.12.05 07:24:00 - [3] Never going to happen. The game has always worked like that. Wanna fly big ships? Have some support pilots with you. Eden Federal Recon
Thera Andromanche	Posted - 2008.12.05 07:24:00 - [4] Rat with friends?
AnonyTerrorNinja Minmatar Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport	Posted - 2008.12.05 07:26:00 - [5] You make amateur trolls cry with your pathetic attempt. --- Incognito - Fierce - Deadly - IFD (Intergallactic Federation of Dummies) aka ATN Ikari Dimji > I mustn't run away... I MUSTN'T RUN AWAY... I MUSTN'T RUN AWA- ooh, skittles! :D
Mr Deviant	Posted - 2008.12.05 07:28:00 - [6] Light drones? They are cheap you know.
Squably Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.12.05 07:29:00 - [7] I think CCP should autoban stupid people, that would prevent posts like this. Signature removed. Please do not imply profanity in your signature. Navigator
Misina Arlath Amarr	Posted - 2008.12.05 07:30:00 - [8] I think I speak for everyone when I say: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Everyone knows the risk of solo ratting in null/low-sec. Most people deem ratting in null/low-sec not worth the risk vs reward, unless you are ratting within the nullsec your alliance controls. Anyways, as was said already, wanna rat in a BS and be safe, bring along some support friends. To make, perhaps a silly, RL comparison... do you see naval battleships or carriers sailing around alone? No, they are part of a battlegroup, including multiple frigates, cruisers and other support ships. And it's honestly no different in EVE when it comes to safeguarding yourself in high-risk systems. -------------------------------------------------- "Every complex problem has a solution which is easy, neat and wrong!"
AnonyTerrorNinja Minmatar Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport	Posted - 2008.12.05 07:30:00 - [9] Edited by: AnonyTerrorNinja on 05/12/2008 07:31:32 it would also take the fun out of belittling them on the forums, tho... a sage function wouldn't be bad, imo, tho. edit oh yeah... obligatory Can I Have Your Stuff? --- Incognito - Fierce - Deadly - IFD (Intergallactic Federation of Dummies) aka ATN Ikari Dimji > I mustn't run away... I MUSTN'T RUN AWAY... I MUSTN'T RUN AWA- ooh, skittles! :D
DownTwisTeD	Posted - 2008.12.05 07:31:00 - [10] Edited by: DownTwisTeD on 05/12/2008 07:33:32 Edited by: DownTwisTeD on 05/12/2008 07:31:57 what a bunch of frig lovers.. its real sad to see a great classic ship like the bs have to run like a CHICKEN al the time from cheap ass frigs that take no time to work or earn against a bs that can take two years to master. wtf is worng here.. frigs should not have it this easy. anyway all i am asking is to fix the npc's they take advantage of them for easy bs kills.
AnonyTerrorNinja Minmatar Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport	Posted - 2008.12.05 07:34:00 - [11] Originally by: Misina Arlath I think I speak for everyone when I say: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Everyone knows the risk of solo ratting in null/low-sec. Most people deem ratting in null/low-sec not worth the risk vs reward, unless you are ratting within the nullsec your alliance controls. Anyways, as was said already, wanna rat in a BS and be safe, bring along some support friends. To make, perhaps a silly, RL comparison... do you see naval battleships or carriers sailing around alone? No, they are part of a battlegroup, including multiple frigates, cruisers and other support ships. And it's honestly no different in EVE when it comes to safeguarding yourself in high-risk systems. Oh man, I just had the craziest idea... On real world battleships they still have light weaponry to deal with small, fast moving targets. Hell, in the case of carriers having to deal with small, light and long-ranged targets, they have jets to send after the things, weapons failing them. HOLY CRAP - THE OP COULD FIT FRIG GUNS AND/OR CARRY DRONES TO PROTECT HIMSELF FROM FRIGATES!!!1 But that'd be too difficult to do for op :/ --- Incognito - Fierce - Deadly - IFD (Intergallactic Federation of Dummies) aka ATN Ikari Dimji > I mustn't run away... I MUSTN'T RUN AWAY... I MUSTN'T RUN AWA- ooh, skittles! :D
Verx Interis Amarr Modicus Dementis	Posted - 2008.12.05 07:41:00 - [12] Design your ratting BS to be able to tank the rats? Honestly.. My Apoc has been hit with triple serp lord spawns fine. My friend had a funny experience in his drake where he was tackled while tanking a double 1.55 spawn. His drake tanked the spawn and the tackler's HAC for about the next 20 minutes before the other guy finally got bored and left. Remember, the longer you make them wait, the more they'll get bored and worry about you calling backup. -- Your bad loan management perfectly strikes the stock market, wrecking for -777.68 points.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.12.05 07:41:00 - [13] Originally by: DownTwisTeD what a bunch of frig lovers.. its real sad to see a great classic ship like the bs have to run like a CHICKEN al the time from cheap ass frigs that take no time to work or earn against a bs that can take two years to master. wtf is worng here.. frigs should not have it this easy. anyway all i am asking is to fix the npc's they take advantage of them for easy bs kills. You are solo ratting in hostile 0.0 in a bs and when 4 people show up in local you didn't immediatly align for your safespot so you could insta warp as soon as they appeared on the overview? Why? Even if they uncloaked right next to you they wouldn't have been able to lock you before you entered warp. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
DownTwisTeD	Posted - 2008.12.05 07:42:00 - [14] Edited by: DownTwisTeD on 05/12/2008 07:42:26 Originally by: AnonyTerrorNinja Originally by: Misina Arlath I think I speak for everyone when I say: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Everyone knows the risk of solo ratting in null/low-sec. Most people deem ratting in null/low-sec not worth the risk vs reward, unless you are ratting within the nullsec your alliance controls. Anyways, as was said already, wanna rat in a BS and be safe, bring along some support friends. To make, perhaps a silly, RL comparison... do you see naval battleships or carriers sailing around alone? No, they are part of a battlegroup, including multiple frigates, cruisers and other support ships. And it's honestly no different in EVE when it comes to safeguarding yourself in high-risk systems. Oh man, I just had the craziest idea... On real world battleships they still have light weaponry to deal with small, fast moving targets. Hell, in the case of carriers having to deal with small, light and long-ranged targets, they have jets to send after the things, weapons failing them. HOLY CRAP - THE OP COULD FIT FRIG GUNS AND/OR CARRY DRONES TO PROTECT HIMSELF FROM FRIGATES!!!1 But that'd be too difficult to do for op :/ oh save it! a frig can jam a bs with the same strength as a bs can jam a bs.. i say bull**** to that. it should take more cap to jam a bs then a frig or cruiser as for any heavy class of ship.. the bigger the ship the more cap it takes to jam its strength.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Ninjas N Pirates	Posted - 2008.12.05 07:46:00 - [15] You got pwned by an Arazu in a BS?
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.12.05 07:48:00 - [16] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny You got pwned by an Arazu in a BS? He was fighting two npc bs who did him in I guess. Seems the op can't seem to get in his head that local going up by x amount equals better align to safespot so as not to get scrammed whilst under fire by npc battleships. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
OffBeaT	Posted - 2008.12.05 07:50:00 - [17] Edited by: OffBeaT on 05/12/2008 07:50:29 hehe
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.12.05 07:51:00 - [18] Whoa an alt of an alt! inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
DownTwisTeD	Posted - 2008.12.05 07:52:00 - [19] yea, warped jammed with with 2 npc bs and its cruisers pounding me shore.
AnonyTerrorNinja Minmatar Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport	Posted - 2008.12.05 07:54:00 - [20] Originally by: DownTwisTeD Edited by: DownTwisTeD on 05/12/2008 07:47:40 Edited by: DownTwisTeD on 05/12/2008 07:42:26 Originally by: AnonyTerrorNinja Originally by: Misina Arlath I think I speak for everyone when I say: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Everyone knows the risk of solo ratting in null/low-sec. Most people deem ratting in null/low-sec not worth the risk vs reward, unless you are ratting within the nullsec your alliance controls. Anyways, as was said already, wanna rat in a BS and be safe, bring along some support friends. To make, perhaps a silly, RL comparison... do you see naval battleships or carriers sailing around alone? No, they are part of a battlegroup, including multiple frigates, cruisers and other support ships. And it's honestly no different in EVE when it comes to safeguarding yourself in high-risk systems. Oh man, I just had the craziest idea... On real world battleships they still have light weaponry to deal with small, fast moving targets. Hell, in the case of carriers having to deal with small, light and long-ranged targets, they have jets to send after the things, weapons failing them. HOLY CRAP - THE OP COULD FIT FRIG GUNS AND/OR CARRY DRONES TO PROTECT HIMSELF FROM FRIGATES!!!1 But that'd be too difficult to do for op :/ oh save it! a frig can jam a bs with the same strength as a bs can jam a bs.. i say bull** to that. it should take more cap to jam a bs then a frig or cruiser as for any heavy class of ship.. the bigger the ship the more cap it takes to jam its strength. oh just so you all know i can afford it i did use drones and fof and did keep a eye on the chat. it only takes one frig to do the job of traping and we all know it then it over in seconds. now add that to npc firing at you as well. o wait i forgot we dont need to earn our kills anymore we just blob ships to death in eve. Ok, mate, I think you're a bit confused here. The arazu is a cruiser sized ship known as a 'recon ship'. It's designed around electronic warfare. It cannot jam you as well as a battleship could because it uses the same amount of cap as a battleship would if it's using ECM modules. On the other hand, it uses a combination of sensor dampeners and ECM drones (3x mediums and 2x lights - not 5x heavy ECM drones like you'd encounter from your average battleship, mind you) to keep you jammed. How? It's using its small signature radius and scan resolution scripts to make you take a good minute to lock it, and then relies on you getting jammed before you have an opportunity to regain lock. Do you know what this is commonly referred to as? Player Skill and Having a cl00 Take up playing Chess - it might teach you a bit about thinking ahead and learning about the strengths and weaknesses of individual pieces. --- Incognito - Fierce - Deadly - IFD (Intergallactic Federation of Dummies) aka ATN Ikari Dimji > I mustn't run away... I MUSTN'T RUN AWAY... I MUSTN'T RUN AWA-** ooh, skittles! :D
DownTwisTeD	Posted - 2008.12.05 07:55:00 - [21] go blob out some where will yea..
rValdez5987 Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2008.12.05 07:59:00 - [22] Originally by: DownTwisTeD Edited by: DownTwisTeD on 05/12/2008 07:36:21 now that the bs is worth about what a frig is in combat i would ask ccp to fix the npc's if they can. i am sick of losing high end bs to frig attacks/cruisers that really take no risk to themselves when trapping down a solo bs npcing in 00 systems. nothing like watching a 200mil bs go down to 3 frigs i cant hit and a cruiser jamming me while two lords are pounding me. it just ant right and it is a exploit in my books. i lost a 240 mil bs to a solo arazu while two lords where pounding on me. its just a real **** off to see these cheap ships having a field day like this with a bs.. CAN WE PLEASE HAVE A REAL BS AGAIN IN EVE.. why don't you just take them out of the game.. every time a interceptor or frig gets them npcing they are food.. it takes no risk for these ships that dont cost crap to take down something that can take a week to earn for a lot of players.. everyone is not rich in eve you know.. fix the dam npc's so at lest they stop shooting when attacked.. you can do that right!! Thanks for you troll post but unless they were magically spawning right on top of you, your doing it wrong. I personally have had no problems nuking cruisers and above at ranges from 2km onwards in 2-5 volleys, and even t2 frigs arent invincible as long as they arent too close. You are fitting tackle gear right? Then again this is coming from the guy that uses to either use a sniping apoc for ratting, or a zealot/sac with a pvp fit.
Plim Gallente Oursulaert Technology Institute	Posted - 2008.12.05 08:00:00 - [23] PvP isn't just the fighting part. PvP is making sure you don't get into a situation that you can't win. Why the hell did you allow yourself to be killed by frigs in the first place? This is like trying to use a screwdriver with nails, then complaining about the functionality of the screwdriver. ---- Welcome to the EVE Onlne forums, a low IQ society.
rValdez5987 Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2008.12.05 08:03:00 - [24] Originally by: Plim PvP isn't just the fighting part. PvP is making sure you don't get into a situation that you can't win. Why the hell did you allow yourself to be killed by frigs in the first place? This is like trying to use a screwdriver with nails, then complaining about the functionality of the screwdriver. I recently purposefully wanted to lose a few ships i had. a t2 dps/buffer geddon, with rigs, and a punisher. both times i looked for frigates, both times i fought fleets that had me outnumbered anywhere from 8-1 to 30-1, and both times i died. but not before collecting around 8 kill mails lol. frigates die easier now if you know what your doing, have the right fittings to stop them, and have good skills.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Ninjas N Pirates	Posted - 2008.12.05 08:06:00 - [25] Haha, a frigate tries anything on my maelstrom it'll get a face full of Warrior II
DownTwisTeD	Posted - 2008.12.05 08:06:00 - [26] Originally by: Plim PvP isn't just the fighting part. PvP is making sure you don't get into a situation that you can't win. Why the hell did you allow yourself to be killed by frigs in the first place? This is like trying to use a screwdriver with nails, then complaining about the functionality of the screwdriver. the frigs didnt kill me the lock the call the blob attack become i have no way to cut them of from fleet.. RIGHT! we have no ecm mods to do that job. we should. anyway all i am asking here blob worriers is to fix the npc's so they dont keep shoting when attacked buy cheap ships that get free kills to easy. and if any of you morons tell me you have never been cought by a frig npcing in a bisy 00 system i am calling you a lair..
AnonyTerrorNinja Minmatar Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport	Posted - 2008.12.05 08:08:00 - [27] Yeah ok, I had my doubts and thought OP was just a noob, but it appears he really is a troll. Protip: if you want to troll, don't repeatedly edit your opening post with specific details that change the course of the thread. Those of us that have a cl00 notice these changes, making your thread fail cascade. --- Incognito - Fierce - Deadly - IFD (Intergallactic Federation of Dummies) aka ATN Ikari Dimji > I mustn't run away... I MUSTN'T RUN AWAY... I MUSTN'T RUN AWA- ooh, skittles! :D
Plim Gallente Oursulaert Technology Institute	Posted - 2008.12.05 08:09:00 - [28] Edited by: Plim on 05/12/2008 08:14:34 Why the hell were you sat in a belt in a 0.0 system with hostiles in local? How is that not your fault? Am I getting trolled? ---- Welcome to the EVE Onlne forums, a low IQ society.
DownTwisTeD	Posted - 2008.12.05 08:10:00 - [29] Originally by: AnonyTerrorNinja Yeah ok, I had my doubts and thought OP was just a noob, but it appears he really is a troll. Protip: if you want to troll, don't repeatedly edit your opening post with specific details that change the course of the thread. Those of us that have a cl00 notice these changes, making your thread fail cascade. nothing changed just the spelling.. read it right will yea.
AnonyTerrorNinja Minmatar Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport	Posted - 2008.12.05 08:11:00 - [30] Originally by: Plim Why the hell were you sat in a belt in a 0.0 system which hostiles in local? How is that not your fault? Am I getting trolled? You're getting trolled. --- Incognito - Fierce - Deadly - IFD (Intergallactic Federation of Dummies) aka ATN Ikari Dimji > I mustn't run away... I MUSTN'T RUN AWAY... I MUSTN'T RUN AWA- ooh, skittles! :D

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