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Treelox
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.05 08:45:00 -
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I personally dont care one way or the other if Trit prices go up or down, I make isk either way. OK Disclaimer out of the way.
As I am sure most of us have noticed trit prices have been on the up swing. As CCP has slowly removed trit price capping items this year. Trit might/could soon at market cost more than Pyerite.
We all have our beliefs as to what other factors are causing the price/supply issue at the moment, I really dont feel the need to get into that here.
What I would like to discuss, is a sort of what if.
What do you think CCP "might" do to alievate the trit price/supply problem. While I myself dont really see this as a problem, if things keep trending they way they are. Especially with the corrasponding downward trend of the other end of the mineral basket(mega + zyd). The rabble rabble of forum whinage will sure to be increasing soon.
What do you think CCP might do to lower trit prices and increase trit supply?
1.) Increase the spawn rate of Veldspar roids, from their current rate.
2.) Increase the spawn size of Veldspar roids, so they start of bigger.
3.) Increase the refinable ammount of Trit from Veldspar.
4.) Decrease all BPO's Trit requirement by some set percentage, thus lowering total demand?
5.) Reworking of certain "Trit Heavy" BPO's so they are more "balanced" with in their mineral needs?
6.) ?????any other crazy ideas, I know some of mine are a bit out there?????
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.05 09:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Drakkar Saarith
Personally I think that this will correct itself in the long run. That is when the cap hungry carebears start mining with all those Orca's and stop buying them .
It might very well, although on a nice casual and very informal run around of Amarr space today, i went looking for large, by high sec standards, roids. There were none. Totally antidotal evidence of course, but there wasnt near as much trit to be had in the 5 regions I ran through as there used to be 2years ago. I did also for laughs hit a couple of low secs that I know used to be "mining friendly", which were also seriously veld depleted.
As to your new ore idea, I have seen it touched upon a few times by the devs, nothing real concrete, and always in refrence to 0.0. Some sort of SUPER VELD (slayer of Chribba?).
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.05 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jacque Custeau
Treelox one possibility you missed is CCP introducing hauler spawns in low sec (in high sec it would be abused by ore thieves). This is how alot of null sec regions have cheap tritanium and pyerite.
There already are hauler spawns in low sec and high sec, not huge ones on the scale of 0.0, but they already exsist.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.05 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jacque Custeau
Based on the OP, this is not a referendum on if CCP should intervene, but a discussion on how they would intervene if they chose to do so. I am amazed how many of the l33t market people missed that. Maybe they need to read the stickies 
You are correct sir.
Although I am personally inclined to NOT have CCP intervine, since often their hand is a bit heavy.
I just wanted a "what if" sort of conversation.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.05 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Reignar Gnalf
Originally by: Sophie Daigneau
CCP has already told us how they plan to fix the "problem". They're going to move belts to exploration sites which would mean as soon as one is finished, a new site will pop up elsewhere to be scanned down. This in theory means there should always be a full belt out there someplace for someone to find and mine.
Wouldn't that also increase the initial barrier for a newbie to get into mining quite a bit? Not entirely sure I like this idea.
To my understanding, they'll be scanned using the onboard scanners, while additional deep space mining spots will be seeded with richer ores for true exploration sites
Yes I read that dev blog also, but it was so long ago, and so vague that at the moment to me it is as much vaporware as Ebanks Exchange.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.05 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Horizontal
Without any insight from EyjoG it's impossible to have the feintest idea what's going on the economy.
Regardless, I've always considered mining an underloved profession in EVE. As with everything in EVE, it all comes down to one simple factor: EVE is now overcrowded with too many people fighting over too few resources. I have said before and will say again. EVE needs a lot more space to solve most if not all the problems it has right now - in my estimation at least 8 new regions in Empire, Lowsec and 0.0 need to be introduced.
How it's done I don't particular care, but an example I'd say would be to make a lot of the existing lowsec regions like Aridia, Black Rise etc into Empire space (with the story that 'The Empires have finishing colonising these border areas') and make what is now Empire-fringe 0.0 like Vale, Providence etc into lowsec and add the regions on the outer areas of 0.0. However that will mean a lot of uprooting of existing infrastructures in those lowsec areas - so however they do it, there will be issues, but nevertheless, the key point is: MOAR SPACE.
CCP have not increased the amount of space in line with the amount of players. With EVE64, there is now absolutely no excuse for this either. Do it now.
A very "out there" idea, intresting none the less. Such a change as you present above, would definetly be drastic. I fear it might be a case of, "the surgery was a succes, but the paitent died".
To an extent I agree with you, at least the "core" regions of empire are now considerably overcrowded to what they were a few years back. Although there are still under utilized areas of empire to be had out on the fringe, I suspect that the main reason for their under utilization is logistics. When you are living in a high sec area that is +30j from a "main hub" market, it is sort of hard to convince others to move out there with you.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.05 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Horizontal
Or another example is to introduce different currencies for each race in EVE, so Amarr has one currency, Caldari another etc, and every item like an MWD has a racial named item, with in the case of MWD's the Minnie ones being best and the Gallente ones being worst. It'd introduce a different dynamic and make each empire more autonomous, thus 4 different Jita's instead of 1 should theoretically form since each Empire's autonomy would have to have a capital centre. Plus for us market people, we get to play with something really cool: foreign exchanges 
While I think a very small minority of the player base would enjoy this, and most of them from the MD area, I think most would balk about how much of a PITA such system would become. As a sidenote, how would concord pay out bounties then, in which currency? even in 0.0?(rhetorical)
Originally by: Mr Horizontal
Back to the more space question, I think the amount of space-to-players ratio should be that roughly of 2006/7 when the rigs and salvage was introduced. I personally feel that was when EVE began to be overpopulated.
I dont think that ratio has changed as much as you think. I suspect that a large part of it, is that there are less players actively in low sec than there used to be. I suspect that a lot of those who used to live in low sec, have moved into high sec.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.06 06:47:00 -
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Originally by: Bloody Rabbit
Originally by: Mr Horizontal
As with everything in EVE, it all comes down to one simple factor: EVE is now overcrowded with too many people fighting over too few resources. I have said before and will say again. EVE needs a lot more space to solve most if not all the problems it has right now - in my estimation at least 8 new regions in Empire, Lowsec and 0.0 need to be introduced.
How it's done I don't particular care, but an example I'd say would be to make a lot of the existing lowsec regions like Aridia, Black Rise etc into Empire space (with the story that 'The Empires have finishing colonising these border areas') and make what is now Empire-fringe 0.0 like Vale, Providence etc into lowsec and add the regions on the outer areas of 0.0. However that will mean a lot of uprooting of existing infrastructures in those lowsec areas - so however they do it, there will be issues, but nevertheless, the key point is: MOAR SPACE.
Without killing too many players the High sec could take over the 0.4 systems and turn them into 0.5 systems. This won't displace moon mining towers and it would add more high sec. The story line would be simply, the empire groups are fearful of attack while they are at war and so have expanded their borders to protect themselves.
This would solve the whole 0.4 high sec or low sec problem and get more space to the Carebears.
I got to say on the whole I like this, it defintetly solves the "lameness" that is 0.4 space, stuck with all of the drawbacks of low sec and high sec and none of their benifits.
The only people who would complain are those that have established certain 0.4s as their cap ship depot/hub.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.06 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic
There is no trit problem
/end
In my OP I did not say there was a trit problem.
What I asked in my OP, if you read it, was what do you think CCP would do to appease the forum whinage if they decied to listen to it? If such whinage becomes loud enough.
/begin :P
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.06 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic
In your subject you said "Trit Problem?"
I answered
I didn't read past the subject line tbh
just as long as your willing to admit that you post before you think, Im ok with your above responses.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.06 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic
I thought about the subject line and I posted. I just didn't read the post content as I knew my answer without doing so. Regardless of what your OP post says I am still of the same opinion, there is no problem.
/sigh
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.06 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Tsual
Looking if it drives carebears into null?
...that will be the day
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.06 20:06:00 -
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^^ I am glad someone got where I was coming from ^^
Thank You
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Originally by: Tasko Pal
Looky! Jita trit now down to spread of 3.93 bid, 3.95 ask. Yesterday's volume was 19.5 billion in the Forge, beats the last one year high by 2 billion trit. I wouldn't be surprised if this thread has sparked a long term drop in trit prices. In any case, I'm starting to think the CCP choice will be "Do nothing" because the problem is fixing itself.
Lol I hope my thread alone didnt manipulate the market, cause if it did I wasnt in position to profit off it this weekend.
Seriously though intresting on the volume traded yesterday. Should be fun to see what happens the rest of the month, especially as Orca demand tapers and Orca BPO's that have been researched start to come out of labs ( IF the percieved Orca spike is a major contributor).
Very possibly CCP will do nothing, but if you had asked two years ago, most people would of said the same thing about CCP doing something about the trit cap imposed by NPC shuttle sales. Always helps to think outside the box on potentials, cause you never know what them sneaky folks at CCP HQ are going to do next.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.07 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: GateScout
So we're discussing something that isn't a problem now and most people don't see it as a problem, and only may become a problem for Treelox if something else happens. lol. Have fun with that.
it is not a problem for me, but you and i both know that the huddled and unwashed masses, who dont "get" the game the way most of us here in MD do, might very well start to cry and moan soon about this.
Look at moon minerals, there was no problem with high end moon poo availability, and yet CCP appeased the masses by introducing Alchemy. At least there was/is no problem with high end moon poo in my perception.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.09 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Syath
this thread is beginning to look erily familiar to the US auto industry bail out... people whining about the downturn of the economy inflated prices (oil-trit) and people asking (government CCP) to intervene?
I have to admit that those "bailouts" were definetly on my mind when I wrote the OP.
While I am of two minds about the RL bailout, I honestly hope that CCP doesnt do anything in reaction to the trit "issue". The whole reason I did start this thread, was to see what people thought would be the possible method of such intervention by CCP. A "what if", as it were.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: Treelox on 10/12/2008 22:13:55
Originally by: Tamarana
The Best thing CCP can do for reducing the problem of tritanium is to introduce a new ship we could call "Chribba's Wet Dream", that is a capital version of the Hulk. 6-8 Modulated Strip Miner II at time, 20 K m3 of cargo or more.
Able to jump away, enough shield and armor and resistance to tank the rats, enough drone bay to kill the rats. And it need the skill "Capital Mining Ship".
Maybe, throw at it a better, bigger type of Strip Miner that only the capital Mining Ship can fit and that increase the quantity of mineral excavated.
Fixed it for ya
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.11 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ravenja
I can see reasons why trit prices are up, but why are the highend minerals dropping?
because ALL mineral prices are tied together, in something that is often refered to as the "mineral basket".
When one end of the mineral basket tips up the other end tips down, imagine a giant seesaw(aka teeter-totter) with lowends, especially trit at one end, and mega and zyd at the other.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ravenja
Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Ravenja
I can see reasons why trit prices are up, but why are the highend minerals dropping?
because ALL mineral prices are tied together, in something that is often refered to as the "mineral basket".
Thanks, but you are describing an effect, not a cause.
well the "cause" is different depending on who you talk to, but they all tie into one thing, increased demand. You said in post that you saw why Trit was on the rise, well the same reason that you see as to why trit is on the rise, is very likely the same reason why zyd and mega are on the downswing.
I didnt elaborate to a cause, since you claimed to know the reason for increase in trit, I just provided you with the insight that high ends and low ends are eternally locked, in a balancing act.
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as to to your comment about cyclic history, a lot of this has to do with miners/reprocessors/traders moving back and forth in what they supply to catch the spike in the demand curve, at its peak.
There are other secondary influences aswell, but they ultimately just influence the above one. Such as high cap ship losses, allaince upheval, new ship types being introduced by ccp and normal pre-major-content patches that always get speculators panties wet.
I hope that helps you see the bigger picture as it were, cause gawd damm that is about as helpful as I have been in months here in MD. So much for my rep as a forum bully.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Cor Aidan
Originally by: Treelox
well the "cause" is different depending on who you talk to, but they all tie into one thing, increased demand. You said in post that you saw why Trit was on the rise, well the same reason that you see as to why trit is on the rise, is very likely the same reason why zyd and mega are on the downswing.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'increased demand' here. I suspect you were just missing some modifier: 'increased demand for tritanium relative to other minerals.'
A wholesale demand increase would likely result in an increase of all prices.
That would assume that the mineral mix of what stimulates the demand is proportional to what is mined/reprocessed. The ratio's of required minerals are not always the same.
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