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Luis Graca
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Posted - 2012.04.11 10:24:00 -
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Seems like the IMF finally get to jita
Next step ccp increases the trading taxes for more tears |
wiskyjack
Caldari Deep Space Ventures Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.04.11 11:27:00 -
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Dont think it's as sinister as people think. People are panic buying and speculators are sucking up as much ore as they can so they dont get left behind.
It's not like the roid belts are fading and you still getting the same mineral yeald from mining. Just get a BPO and a mining barge and make the junk your self. And leave the market to implode.
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Andrew W-K
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.11 11:31:00 -
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wiskyjack wrote:Dont think it's as sinister as people think. People are panic buying and speculators are sucking up as much ore as they can so they dont get left behind.
It's not like the roid belts are fading and you still getting the same mineral yeald from mining. Just get a BPO and a mining barge and make the junk your self. And leave the market to implode.
This is the great mineral crunch of 2012-¬.
We should party hard. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
582
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Posted - 2012.04.11 11:42:00 -
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Lisa Rankin wrote:Mernar wrote:ok u mine 100units and get 100mil for that so u can buy SHIP A that costs 100mil now u mine 100units and get 200mil for that so u can buy SHIP A which costs 200mil now
AWESOME SO MUCH MORE MONEY FOR MINERS! seriously he has a point there
You're both fail. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
wiskyjack
Caldari Deep Space Ventures Intrepid Crossing
0
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Posted - 2012.04.11 11:53:00 -
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Andrew W-K wrote:wiskyjack wrote:Dont think it's as sinister as people think. People are panic buying and speculators are sucking up as much ore as they can so they dont get left behind.
It's not like the roid belts are fading and you still getting the same mineral yeald from mining. Just get a BPO and a mining barge and make the junk your self. And leave the market to implode.
This is the great mineral crunch of 2012-¬. We should party hard.
Absolutely. Blue pills for everyone.
And for and you market trolls put a bit of effort in. There are plenty of items falling in price, use your brain and a bit of intuition and stop spamming drake and 1400mm sales.
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TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
120
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Posted - 2012.04.11 12:10:00 -
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Mernar wrote:PLS CCP DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AS I CANT EFFORD ANYTHING ANYMORE
game is a sandbox, CCP shouldn't **** around with the market. They also shouldn't remove stacks of bots unless they think the game can actually handle it. |
Sim Cognito
Ardent Spirits Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2012.04.11 12:19:00 -
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Mernar wrote:PLS CCP DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AS I CANT EFFORD ANYTHING ANYMORE
Music to my ears, a true concerto. |
Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.11 13:30:00 -
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Mernar wrote:PLS CCP DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AS I CANT EFFORD ANYTHING ANYMORE We'll see even more inflation since ships and all stuff that's manufactured will now go up. This is because ccp is removing alloys from drones and ore/minerals will become even more expensive.
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Jessia
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.11 14:41:00 -
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and to all who say its speculation not inflation...
when the crop price goes up by 100% the poor people dont care about whether they starve because of speculation or inflation they just starve... |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
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Posted - 2012.04.11 14:44:00 -
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Good thing it's a spaceship video game then. |
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Troll Bridgington
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.04.11 14:49:00 -
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ELECT RON PAUL! |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.04.11 15:50:00 -
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Jessia wrote:and to all who say its speculation not inflation...
when the crop price goes up by 100% the poor people dont care about whether they starve because of speculation or inflation they just starve... Please help me! Each turn around the Monopoly board only pays $200, but with developments on every property my income is no longer substantial enough to stay in the GAME! WAAAAAAAH!
Is that it? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:29:00 -
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Locii wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Lapine Davion wrote: Whoa, hold on here. What new isk faucet?
DRONE BOUNTIES $$$ And then CCP is decreasing bounties across the board. *argument negated* thought the blog said incursions, http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28587 vanguard sites were being reduced by 10%... did i miss the blog saying all bounties were being reduced?
Yes you did miss it because it aint in the DEV blogs just mentioned in a interview with CCP Soundwave & Ten Ton Hammer interview that he's prepared to do it in a reactive mode. He said he may do the bounty nerf later in the year but I expect he'll have of move it up if things continue as they are & there is no bubble burst ( if there really is a bubble the jury is out on that ) An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta the Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's-á crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'-á |
Barakach
R-ISK Shadow Operations.
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:50:00 -
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Inflation is a long term average, not a short term spike by speculation and meta-gaming.
Also, inflation takes into account all avenues of profit, not just ratting/missioning. If PvE ratters start making less relative money, but miners start making more, such that it evens out, then there is no inflation.
The market is just very volatile right now, which is fun. Same boring market is not fun. It will level out. Now is the time to make money.
Every time someone use to say "minerals are fine" when miners were saying "minerals are too cheap", now the tables have turned and all I hear is QQ.
A recent dev blog during fan fest has show an over all 1%/year inflation since Eve started, with some cycles of deflation. |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:54:00 -
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IN THE LONG RUN: 1) Mission runners are relatively unaffected, as mission running ships are capital assets. New players might have to wait longer before they can buy their level 4 mission running battleship, but once the ship is purchased and fit their only expenditure really is ammunition.
2) As prices increase, smaller and cheaper T1 ships gain a comparative advantage over more expensive large T1 ships or expensive T2 ships. This makes new players more competitive in PvP which can only be a good thing, IMO.
3) Suicide ganking will become more expensive, which will make mining more attractive. This won't stop suicide ganking campaigns which are sponsored by large 0.0 alliances with a strong logistics/industrial backbone (and not to mention technetium moons).
4) Players involved in "material creation" gain a competitive advantage over middle men (such as myself) who buy raw materials and process them into consumer goods. This is because rising prices generally squeeze profit margins. The "material creation" activities which are going to become more competitive are: 1) Mining 2) Moon mining 3) PI P1 production 4) Gas mining 5) Salvaging 6) Sleepers 7) Ratting for faction/officer/complex items 8) LP harvesting 9) Datacore harvesting 10) Archeology/hacking 11) COSMOS missions (lol)
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:54:00 -
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Mernar wrote:ok u mine 100units and get 100mil for that so u can buy SHIP A that costs 100mil now u mine 100units and get 200mil for that so u can buy SHIP A which costs 200mil now
AWESOME SO MUCH MORE MONEY FOR MINERS!
If you mined for 3 hours to buy a ship before, and you mine for 3 hours to buy the same ship now, what's the problem? It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Barakach
R-ISK Shadow Operations.
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:19:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Mernar wrote:ok u mine 100units and get 100mil for that so u can buy SHIP A that costs 100mil now u mine 100units and get 200mil for that so u can buy SHIP A which costs 200mil now
AWESOME SO MUCH MORE MONEY FOR MINERS! If you mined for 3 hours to buy a ship before, and you mine for 3 hours to buy the same ship now, what's the problem?
Demand for said ships will reduce as the ships become relatively more expensive for those with fixed incomes from missions/etc. As demand goes down, prices drop. In the long run, you will mine less to afford said ships.
Also, ship costs are lagging behind mineral costs. It is quite possible to take advantage of higher mineral values before the ships go up in price, giving an effectively higher income. |
Khadann
First Legion La Division Bleue
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:48:00 -
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Kattshiro wrote:Start mining?
You mean it can be a fair source of income now? |
Thillara
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.12 06:21:00 -
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100mil isk talos in jita? anyone? |
Chokichi Ozuwara
Royal One Piece Corporation Deadly Unknown
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Posted - 2012.04.12 07:38:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:1)The money supply is not constant. Its growing & a new ISK faucet is being created on top of it 2) Not only is the money supply growing a mineral(Drone alloy) faucet is being deleted ergo the other goods are SHRINKING Uhm, you're making our point Einstein. Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |
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Chokichi Ozuwara
Royal One Piece Corporation Deadly Unknown
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Posted - 2012.04.12 07:40:00 -
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Barakach wrote:Inflation is a long term average, not a short term spike by speculation and meta-gaming.
Also, inflation takes into account all avenues of profit, not just ratting/missioning. If PvE ratters start making less relative money, but miners start making more, such that it evens out, then there is no inflation. If you don't understand economics, it is better to be quiet.
Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |
Rimhawk
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.12 07:55:00 -
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Actually I love the inflation. Since coming back from a 2 year absence I can now sell trit for 5-6 ISK. When I left it was like 1-2 ISK. EVE feels so much more rewarding now! |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.04.12 07:56:00 -
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Start buying minerals. Thank me later. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.04.12 13:56:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Start buying minerals. Thank me later.
That ship has sailed, arrived at its destination, made a return trip, and has set sail a 2nd time already.
Mineral prices on the high-ends retreated mid-week as speculators cashed out. They might go up again, but the prices are already, in my opinion, pretty close to where they'll end up come July. Unless you manage to catch one of the short-duration supply-crunch waves come early May, you're not going to turn over more then a 10-30% profit on whatever you buy today. |
ivar R'dhak
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2012.04.12 14:50:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:but the prices are already, in my opinion, pretty close to where they'll end up come July. You-¦re an optimist.
We-¦ll see what the coming Jita panic and a month long Hulkageddon will do to Empire mining. Or the hot drop feeding frenzy 0.0 mining ops will provoke.
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The Forum Warrior
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.12 14:51:00 -
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Inflation is always bad. There is no thread lock which can withstand me
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.04.12 15:24:00 -
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ivar R'dhak wrote:Scrapyard Bob wrote:but the prices are already, in my opinion, pretty close to where they'll end up come July. You-¦re an optimist. We-¦ll see what the coming Jita panic and a month long Hulkageddon will do to Empire mining. Or the hot drop feeding frenzy 0.0 mining ops will provoke.
The effect on the market from past HAGs is a mixed-bag.
HAG 4 was Feb 2011 HAG 3 was Jul 2010 HAG2 was Feb 2010
http://www.evemarketeer.com/item/info/34#2
HAG 4 - drove Trit up about 25% in value (3.00 to about 3.75) HAG 3 - small effect, Trit prices continued to drop HAG 2 - had no effect on Trit (maybe a 5% rise)
http://www.evemarketeer.com/item/info/35
HAG 4 - Pye went from 4.50 up to 5.00 HAG 3 - caused a small bump on the market as Pye dropped from 7 to 3.5 HAG 2 - Pye went from 6.7 to 7.1
http://www.evemarketeer.com/item/info/36
HAG 4 - Mex went from 29 to 30 HAG 3 - Mex went from 26 up to 35 (35%) HAG 2 - Mex went from 28 to 31
http://www.evemarketeer.com/item/info/37
HAG 4 - Isogen went from 64 to 73 (14%) HAG 3 - Isogen went from 50 to 60 HAG 2 - 53 to 56
http://www.evemarketeer.com/item/info/38
HAG 4 - Nocx went from 560 to 532 (oops!) HAG 3 - 123 to about 128 HAG 2 - 97 to 82 (oops!)
So, HAG5 will have some effect, but it's simply not big enough of an event do do more then slightly dent the market. Based on past history, you will probably see about a 25% bump in low-end mineral costs, but that could be a lot less if there isn't a lot of participation. |
ivar R'dhak
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2012.04.12 17:23:00 -
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Well, that-¦s all nice data. But it-¦s from a time when there was a big drone and gun "mining" community to dampen the effect.
Also, compared to the old ones this Hulkageddon has some very interesting added incentives. I also don-¦t believe the speculators are quite done with the market yet. |
Radelix Cisko
The Adjustment Team
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Posted - 2012.04.13 16:24:00 -
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I'm looking forward to continued market volatility. Also I look forward to destroyer and cruiser swarms. |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
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Posted - 2012.04.13 16:29:00 -
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Fly a Raven Arbalest Cruise launcers are 100K Arbalest Torp Launchers, 600K X-Large C5-L Shield Booster, 250K
You can meta 4 fit a Raven for under 5 mill.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-_HeVNYOk
Save Derpy! |
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