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Vitrael Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2008.12.08 04:44:00 - [1] "Uh oh, Hictor's got me and dreads are cynoing in... looks like this is the end!" 04:15:32 Notify Your Nyx will self-destruct in 2 Minutes Don't you think it's about time we revisited this feature? It may have been implemented for any number of reasons, but nowadays it is by and large used by capital and super-capital pilots to prevent an embarrassing loss mail. Hey, yeah, I'm whining- we had three capitals deny us killmails in three separate incidences today (including a Nyx). Personally, I think this behavior is an exploit, albeit an annoying, not a game-breaking one. The only other use for self-destruct I can think of is podding yourself to a home station when stuck somewhere far away. As is such I propose a number of options that will fix the cowardly self-destructing capital issue, but allow the feature to retain its usefulness: 1. No Insurance for Self-destruction A simple and elegant solution- if you self destruct, there is no insurance payout. Capital pilots will have to consider the price of the lossmail against their insurance. If they're willing to lose the insurance, then I suppose they've bought their "dignity". The only flip-side to this would be that people who want to self destruct their ships in peace to collect insurance would be out of luck- oh well, I say. If they really must they could just have corpmate shoot them. 2. All-systems Shutdown Initiating self-destruct offlines all of your modules, and/or sets capacitor to 0, and/or sets all resistances to 0. This would make it much easier to finish off capitals that are trying to save themselves the killmail, and would not cause any particular problem for anyone using self-destruct to travel or get insurance. 3. Self-destruction generates Killmails Another perfectly merciless solution. Travel/insurance-picking self destructors are not hampered and capital pilots can't worm their way out of a lossmail at all. Why would changing this mechanic be better for Eve? Killmails are the social capital of Eve. PVPers love the pew, and they love to have hard recognition of their victories. That's why killmails were introduced in the first place. That's why people who self-destruct should not be able to avoid lossmails. When a gang pins some capitals and they self-destruct, no one is happy: the killers feel cheated out of their bragging rights, and their victims are still out of their ships. I propose we make at least one party happy. As the Soviets once said, NO MERCY FOR COWARDS! -----
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.12.08 04:46:00 - [2] Mothership kills are the new carrier kills. So who really cares anymore? You should've just said your epeen shriveled, or some other pubbie crap and this thread would've been better. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
motomysz Militek Industries Integrity Respect Selflessness	Posted - 2008.12.08 04:47:00 - [3] I agree with implementation of any or all of the above.
GeneralNukeEm Free Collective Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.12.08 04:49:00 - [4] Edited by: GeneralNukeEm on 08/12/2008 04:49:14 Just make it like losses where NPC's get the final blow; if a player actually touched your ship earlier then they get the mail. Self destructing supercapitals aren't going to be clearing their aggro by jumping to a different system anytime soon.
Meg Lee Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.12.08 04:52:00 - [5] Signed.
Verx Interis Amarr Modicus Dementis	Posted - 2008.12.08 04:54:00 - [6] Edited by: Verx Interis on 08/12/2008 04:55:03 Agreed Also, people selfdestruct to deny the enemy loot. Should be changed. As for the people collecting insurance on ships they don't want, you can always just go get CONCORDed ---- Logins required for this post: 11404 Modicus Dementis is recruiting, join the channel Internet Cafe
Fredrick Trudeau	Posted - 2008.12.08 04:55:00 - [7] Self-destruct is fine the way it is. Go down fighting. Deny your enemy any reward or glory.
DoctorDanny Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2008.12.08 04:59:00 - [8] Posts like this make me cry. You've gotten to kill 3 supercapitals in the last week and instead of being happy and playing with your new loot you come here crying about that you did not get your precious killmail. I'd be so very happy if CCP just removed the entire killmail at all. That way we'd be freed of all the immature little killmail collectors too.
Kovid Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2008.12.08 04:59:00 - [9] Self destruct encourages blobbing to make sure you get the kill. Small gang warfare is penalized when a capital ship self destructs as they can do nothing and get no loot.
Ticondrius Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.08 05:02:00 - [10] Boohoo, you didn't get a killmail. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- PROPOSAL: Chaos Incarnate's Face MMORPG: Many Men Online Role Playing Girls

motomysz Militek Industries Integrity Respect Selflessness	Posted - 2008.12.08 05:05:00 - [11] Originally by: DoctorDanny playing with your new loot Why don't you learn about something before you post about it? You get no loot at all from a self destructed ship. Loser.
Steel Tigeress Gallente M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.12.08 05:06:00 - [12] Originally by: motomysz Originally by: DoctorDanny playing with your new loot Why don't you learn about something before you post about it? You get no loot at all from a self destructed ship. Loser. Beat me too it. Folks shouldnt open their mouth and prove there is nothing behind their nose but fingerprints.
FunzzeR Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.12.08 05:06:00 - [13] interesting ideas, why not move it to the Assembly Hall section of the forums so people can formally support it?
Kirra Liu Gemini Industries Inc Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.08 05:09:00 - [14] Edited by: Kirra Liu on 08/12/2008 05:11:01 Originally by: DoctorDanny Posts like this make me cry. You've gotten to kill 3 supercapitals in the last week and instead of being happy and playing with your new loot you come here crying about that you did not get your precious killmail. I'd be so very happy if CCP just removed the entire killmail at all. That way we'd be freed of all the immature little killmail collectors too. It's already been said here that self destructing also blows up the fittings, so no loot. I do think that self destructing should deny folks a killmail, but only if the idea about when a ship begins the countdown, cap is taken to zero and everything is offlined. I think this would make it alittle more interesting and more of a rish for everyone involved. edit: Also, why is there so much talk about the insurance. A mothership can't dock thus can not be insured.
Vitrael Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2008.12.08 05:11:00 - [15] Originally by: DoctorDanny Posts like this make me cry. You've gotten to kill 3 supercapitals in the last week and instead of being happy and playing with your new loot you come here crying about that you did not get your precious killmail. I'd be so very happy if CCP just removed the entire killmail at all. That way we'd be freed of all the immature little killmail collectors too. What loot? Self destruct = no loot. -----
Fredrick Trudeau	Posted - 2008.12.08 05:12:00 - [16] Edited by: Fredrick Trudeau on 08/12/2008 05:12:43 You did not kill the ship, its pilot did. So you don't get any loot or mail. It works as intended. It is the final fy to a gate camper. A bit of grief for them.
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises	Posted - 2008.12.08 05:13:00 - [17] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Mothership kills are the new carrier kills. So who really cares anymore? You should've just said your epeen shriveled, or some other pubbie crap and this thread would've been better. Originally by: DoctorDanny Posts like this make me cry. stfu donnie your out of your element. OP: they are all decent ideas except the ability not to self destruct at all, should be an option but i agree as with anything in eve it should come with a price (and no, losing you ship isn't a price if you are going to lose it anyways :P). I like the insurance thing. I think insurance should be reexamined across the board. We should see lower payouts on t1, higher payouts on t2 and NO payouts on self destruct or concord related deaths (just my opinion) I'm not sure i like the idea of modules going offline... but I would probably be more interested if the destruction of a ship gave an AoE damage burst based off ship size. Say... 500 damage off a frig, 1000 off a cruiser... 25000 off a carrier (just throwing rough figures out there). Add in variable times for these ship's destructions (30seconds/frig, 3minutes/carrier) and you see a whole different combat element forming instead of 'oh noes, lets deny loss mail' examples: victim pilot has to decide, am i dead anyways and do i have time to self destruct and damaging enemy to help rest of my gang? aggressing gang see's notification, do you have time to kill it? if so press on, if not do we back off and avoid the damage? i'd want to see something like that also come w/ the offlined modules as if ppl back off, your only chance if you deactivate self dest. is to warp out. nothing else. ------------------------------ everybody be cool this is a threadjack! just lay face down on the ground and no one will get hurt!
Kayosoni Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.12.08 05:14:00 - [18] more like motherships need to be un-****ted. -----------------------------------
Janet Marshall Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.08 05:18:00 - [19] Edited by: Janet Marshall on 08/12/2008 05:19:59 Its just fine, they weren't doing it to deny you your kill mail they were doing it to prevent you from getting the loot. Witch is a very logical thing to do if you know your going to die and you have billions of officer mods on board. Also Learn to adapt. Hint: Kill it faster edit: speeeeeeeling
Kovid Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2008.12.08 05:24:00 - [20] Killing it faster argument is a problem for CCP wanting to promote small gang warfare though. It also an incentive to blob when it's not necessary for the kill, only for the speed versus the scorched earth policy. Killmails are a separate issue.

Talic Xeron Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.08 05:39:00 - [21] I fully support no insurance for self-destructing. It's not like you get insurance money in RL if you burn your house down.... that is provided they can prove YOU did it.
Ruges	Posted - 2008.12.08 05:43:00 - [22] Self destructing your ship so it will not fall into enemy hands makes sence. This tactic has been used threw out history. So if a player can survive long enough to destroy his ships so others do not get the lewt sounds right to me. However those who forced him to self destruct should recieve a kill mail stating that they forced him to self destruct. Just make it somthing like who ever had the person targeted at time of the player activating self destruct gets the kill mail.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.12.08 05:50:00 - [23] I see no problem in self-destruction generating killmails as if you got killed by NPCs. Afterall, the main reason for the suicide isn't the killmail, it's denying the enemy your loot. _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
gordon cain Minmatar x13 X13 Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.08 05:51:00 - [24] Just do as everyone else in eve does atm. Bring more people... G Never argue with idiots, they will just drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience.
NickSuccorso Divine Obscenity	Posted - 2008.12.08 05:52:00 - [25] Edited by: NickSuccorso on 08/12/2008 05:52:44 Quote: Killing it faster argument is a problem for CCP wanting to promote small gang warfare though. Small gangs should be able to kill Motherships? Either way, it sounds like he wasn't getting away, so he did the right thing - Final act of defiance, screwing you potentially out of several billion isk in loot, and the pride of having that piece of paper to say that you've killed the thing. edit: Also, super capital pilots don't really worry about how much they're getting back in insurance money.
Bloody Rabbit Jita Miners	Posted - 2008.12.08 05:57:00 - [26] I think to fix this problem CCP needs to get stop using the kill mail system. Just drop it completely and let those that run around 0.0 and low sec kill things to kill things and not for point whoring. I can't think of another system that gets Eve players more in the mind set of Wow players. So CCP I am asking you to just stop the kill mail system.
Jmanis Catharg Caldari Dusk Blade	Posted - 2008.12.08 05:59:00 - [27] OP needs to look at the meaning of the word 'exploit' in terms of an MMORPG. --- Originally by: CCP Mitnal I went to the forums for special powers and all I got was a dancing padlock and a banhammer.
Mad Martyr Caldari Kiith Paktu	Posted - 2008.12.08 06:00:00 - [28] I agree about the shutting systems down, if your suiciding you don't need them turned on and giving everyone 2mins clean shooting at you might help nerf km avoiders..
Meg Lee Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.12.08 06:02:00 - [29] Originally by: HankMurphy I'm not sure i like the idea of modules going offline... but I would probably be more interested if the destruction of a ship gave an AoE damage burst based off ship size. Say... 500 damage off a frig, 1000 off a cruiser... 25000 off a carrier (just throwing rough figures out there). Add in variable times for these ship's destructions (30seconds/frig, 3minutes/carrier) and you see a whole different combat element forming instead of 'oh noes, lets deny loss mail' I LOVE this idea, but i think 3 minutes is a bit too short.
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises	Posted - 2008.12.08 06:06:00 - [30] Originally by: Bloody Rabbit I think to fix this problem CCP needs to get stop using the kill mail system. Just drop it completely and let those that run around 0.0 and low sec kill things to kill things and not for point whoring. I can't think of another system that gets Eve players more in the mind set of Wow players. So CCP I am asking you to just stop the kill mail system. god i hope your just trolling. if not, i'm sure CCP will respect the wishes of the Jita miners corp. suggesting removal of the entire system is silly and childish. what? someone isn't playing eve the way you think it should be played? they induce competition for pvp groups. for some its the only way to really compare/measure how you are doing against an enemy (especially if you aren't interested in capturing space). either way, for many it makes the game more fun. too bad if that ***es on your parade. ------------------------------ everybody be cool this is a threadjack! just lay face down on the ground and no one will get hurt!*



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