Originally by: Dirk Magnum

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Yes.
The nerf to officer webs in Quantum Rise is just bizarre. If someone wants to throw down a billion ISK for a webifier they should be able to use against targets 30km away.

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Originally by: Fortiter

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Edited by: Fortiter on 09/12/2008 02:03:47


Before the web nerf, officer webs like the Mizuro's Statis Webifier had a 25km web range. It also had a 1,500 powergrid usage. After the nerf, it has a 17km range and has the 1,900 powergrid usage slapped onto it.

Compare the Mizuro's modified web to a Domination web and you will see why its broken.

Domination web
Range - 15 km
Meta Level - 9
Powergrid Usage - 1 MW

Mizuro's web
Range - 17 km
Meta Level 11
Powergrid Usage - 1,900 MW


The next officer webs are Hakim's (18km-2,100mw/error should be 2,000mw), Gotan's (19km-1,800mw/error should be 2,1000mw), Tobias' (20km-2,200mw).

So why the high power grid usage? The highest range has gone from 40km to 20km so limiting the shiptypes that these webs are used on is really no longer needed, if it ever was..

As for the person that said it was needed because of a rapier pilot webbing from 240km out, by all means let them. Falcons can jam from that far and if some guy wants to put on a (used to be) 6billion web and go into combat, then by all means let him.

Can we get a comment from a dev on this?

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Originally by: Dirk Magnum

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Yes.
The nerf to officer webs in Quantum Rise is just bizarre. If someone wants to throw down a billion ISK for a webifier they should be able to use against targets 30km away.

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Originally by: Dirk Magnum

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Yes.
The nerf to officer webs in Quantum Rise is just bizarre. If someone wants to throw down a billion ISK for a webifier they should be able to use against targets 30km away.

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Originally by: nemmes

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Edited by: nemmes on 29/12/2008 08:44:36
In my view, it would appear that the officer webs have been designed (at least in CCP's view) to be used on capitals and BS's. With limited experience in the use of capitals and/or officer mods, i would presume these two would be much more common than say, having one on a frigate. hence the PG issues

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Originally by: Vitrael

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Edited by: Vitrael on 29/12/2008 22:28:18
It's unnecessary to continually bump a topic if you have no information to add.

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Originally by: Fortiter

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Originally by: Vitrael

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Edited by: Vitrael on 29/12/2008 22:28:18
It's unnecessary to continually bump a topic if you have no information to add.

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While I agree with almost everything else that you stated, this I do not. This section of the forum is our only option to bring attention to the Dev's, problems or ideas that we believe need changed.

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Originally by: Rodamus Zero

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Given the high powergrid usage, the only real ships to make a use of them are, BSs and Capitals

I mean, you could stick it on a Rapier and do nothing else but web at an extreme range of 80kms to almost 100kms overloaded, though with the amount of PG, good luck fitting it to a Rapier, good luck.

Fit it onto a BS and it takes up the fittings of one of the cannons/launchers (near enough).

Your then left with Capitals, pretty funny to add it to a Dread and Carriers, well lets just think about your swiss army knife tool that can do everything expect wash your clothes and iron them afterwards.

There is not enough information to sudjest anything is broken.

From the quotation of the QR Patch notes we find.

"Officer variants will now have up to 20km range (reduced from 40km) and a speed reduction factor between 55-60%. Capacitor use, power grid and CPU fitting requirements have been tweaked depending on meta level."

There is your Dev Response!

So some of them have more or less PG than before, hardly broken and now Capital/Rapier/BS can web you at half the range than before hand...

Adapt or Die

Bump, this thread needs no Dev Response, unless they come bringing cookies and a hose.

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Originally by: Wardo21

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I didn't read through all the posts, most were bumps.

One thing did catch my eye. "I paid X for the module so..."

I paid lots for a couple different modules that were then nerfed into far lesser versions. Some for good reasons, (Rokh out mining a Hulk) some for not so good reasons (WCS suddenly halving your targeting range).

Get over it. It happened in the past on other modules/fits/whatever and will happen again to something else in the future.

Don't hold your breath waiting on the DEV response. It's likely to be something like: "Duh, we did it because we thought it was overpowered before." anyhow.

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Originally by: Rodamus Zero

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Edited by: Rodamus Zero on 01/01/2009 15:43:22
Evidently you have not been playing sicne the start of the game, post with your main otherwise.

Officers webs are fine, if anything is broken, check Domination to Gallente Webbers.

Domination used to to -90% so logic would dictate that it would be a -60% now, though still one of the longest ranges outside of Officer it does -50% now.

1km more but -10%...
With 7 less CPU...
Yet they are the same meta level.

Clearly that is broken.
Proof, or STFU.

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Originally by: xVx dreadnaught

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Bump, It does need some addressing.

Although I understand the reduction in strength of the webs. I dont like the idea of webs being long range and high strength. I think they should make it like the sensor boosters and damps...
like:
T1: 10km 50%
T2: 12km 70%

But have a script that adds to either range or strength or maybe one that does a bit to both. so you could have a T1 15km 50% (ranged script) web or 10km 80% (strength script) or 12km 70% (balanced script)

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Originally by: SirMoric

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As I see it, they work as intended.

rgds

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