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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Trinity Council.
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Posted - 2008.12.09 17:57:00 -
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Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 09/12/2008 17:57:46 ok, the main point of this thread is to try and figure out what many people see as the "biggest" problem in this game, as in overpowered, hard to catch, ect, and ive broken it down to three things that are complained about the most on the forums (im not going to lie, i myself and guilty for defending a few of these, some strongly, others just slightly)
A.) Cloaked AFK ships B.) Falcons C.) Neutral Remote Repping
if you had to pick one of these to be voted to get smacked w/ the nerf bat a few times which would it be?
Cloaked AFK Ships: Main argument: they are overpowered because they get into your (mainly) 00 system warp to a safespot, then go afk for 8 hours, after they wake up, they find the nearest hulk thats mining and gank him, then quickly go and hide again, and rinse and repeat. it is "overpowered" because there is absolutely NO way to catch them until your friend is already dead, and by which time he has warped away, and goes afk again, and its impossible to konw where he is at any given time.
Falcons: They are overpowered, because a pair of falcons can pretty much keep any fleet permanentely jammed, and people tend to bring more and more of them, to make it more and more impossible to even get a lock-on. they can also warp whilst cloaked, so they also fall a bit under the same "problem" as Cloaked Ships, absolutely no way to catch them. the only way to get past (still a very slim chance) them, is to fit ECCM, which will always sacrifice something, either part of your tank, or take off your point, or drastically reduce damage output. the only possible way to stop falcons is to bring your own blob of falcons to jam them, or try your luck at bringing a blob of nano ships, in which case the falcon, being a force recon, can just cloak, and wait for the nano to go for his friends, and it can turn into a wack-a-mole game
Neutral Remote Repping: neutral's remote repping, and being flagged only for 15 minutes in which case you cannot touch them afterwards, also: since remote repping isnt considered aggresion, they player can easily insta-dock after he just repaired his partners tank, and hide in station for 15 minutes, OR, the "victim" of the neutral remote repping can shoot at the player thats doing the neutral repping, and then said neutral repper can now aggress, insta dock, and whip out his own ship to assist his friend, in which case the fight would have went from a 1vs.1 to a 1 vs. 1 and his neutral remote repping friend to a 1 vs. 2
if YOU had to pick, which one of these would you pick? you may also state a reason why, or just pick your choice
i kindly ask for no trolls, and light flaming, as i just would like to konw which is considered the "biggest" problem nowadays
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i personally would have Cloaking Afk Ships in 00, but also just in general, the reason is as what i stated, there is absolutely no way that you konw if an afk cloaker is active or not, and i think its abit silly that he can literally fly into your system, and park his afk cloaked ship that is impossible to catch and go to sleep, wake up, take a shower, go to work and come home, then kill one or two haulers for the night because he's been parked there for 12 freaking hours, and everyone assumes he's afk, then he can do the same thing all over again
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.09 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Cloaked AFK Ships: Main argument: they are overpowered because they get into your (mainly) 00 system warp to a safespot, then go afk for 8 hours, after they wake up, they find the nearest hulk thats mining and gank him, then quickly go and hide again, and rinse and repeat. it is "overpowered" because there is absolutely NO way to catch them until your friend is already dead, and by which time he has warped away, and goes afk again, and its impossible to konw where he is at any given time.
To this day, this still cracks me up. So for eight hours it's totally harmless (which apparently is overpowered), and then ganks a mining ship (real tough).
*shakes head*
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ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.12.09 17:59:00 -
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How about D.) None of the above ?
I'd wager a major part of the players don't see these things as a problem at all, only the vocal minority on the forums do.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Black Plague.
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Posted - 2008.12.09 18:00:00 -
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Why do people think posting these things in GD is a good idea? It only leads to pain and suffering and the OP getting flamed for causing it.
------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it. |
baltec1
R.U.S.T. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.09 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula Why do people think posting these things in GD is a good idea? It only leads to pain and suffering and the OP getting flamed for causing it.
I agree, lets just skip the bickering and go right to burning the op at the stake.
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Trinity Council.
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Posted - 2008.12.09 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula Why do people think posting these things in GD is a good idea? It only leads to pain and suffering and the OP getting flamed for causing it.
because it doesnt fit anywhere else. . . . . ?
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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Karille
Gallente Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.12.09 18:12:00 -
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From what I've seen I think the Minmatar Bar is the most overpowered thing right now.
I don't see anything on your list as a large threat to the game. I would like to see remote repping cause an aggression timer for the purposes of jumping and docking though. It seems reasonable to me that assisting in combat is worthy of the timer.
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Yesimanalt xD
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Posted - 2008.12.09 18:17:00 -
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the remote repping is the only thing that is overpowered. and thats jus cause its more of an annoyance than anything else.
falcons do their job. They jam ships and its what they are designed to do. Whats the point of ECM of it never works. Curses dont get a chance based system to neut your ship, so why shud caldari be penalised.
Afk cloaking is overpowered in your eyes cause of the single kill they get every so often. If you followed basic 0.0 rules then that hulk wouldnt get killed would it? keep aligned and all that jazz. And if youre really bothered about people cloaking, killthem before they can get to a safe spot
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.12.09 18:20:00 -
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how about nerf people poating with alts ?
if you cant be proud enough to post with you main , how about not posting at all ?
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.09 18:20:00 -
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The OP's post are the "biggest" problem in this game.... -- Chribba's LoveQuest 17:00hrs Dec. 20th (Prizes!!)
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Captain Organs
Veldspar Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.09 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Organs on 09/12/2008 18:33:26
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Falcons: They are overpowered, because a pair of falcons can pretty much keep any fleet permanentely jammed, and people tend to bring more and more of them, to make it more and more impossible to even get a lock-on. they can also warp whilst cloaked, so they also fall a bit under the same "problem" as Cloaked Ships, absolutely no way to catch them. the only way to get past (still a very slim chance) them, is to fit ECCM, which will always sacrifice something, either part of your tank, or take off your point, or drastically reduce damage output. the only possible way to stop falcons is to bring your own blob of falcons to jam them, or try your luck at bringing a blob of nano ships, in which case the falcon, being a force recon, can just cloak, and wait for the nano to go for his friends, and it can turn into a wack-a-mole game
this would be the thing I'd nerf bat. I've always had a problem with ECM since I primarily fly Gallente and their recon ships are widely known as the most useless. Now granted in conjunction with other ships the Gallente Recons have some uses. But by itself it's not the massive gank boat that is the Curse or the "No locks for anyone" that the Caldari is.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Black Plague.
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Posted - 2008.12.09 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
Originally by: Khemul Zula Why do people think posting these things in GD is a good idea? It only leads to pain and suffering and the OP getting flamed for causing it.
because it doesnt fit anywhere else. . . . . ?
That is true. CCP does need to add another forum for discussion of features and ideas. Not sure what they'd call it though.
------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it. |
Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.09 19:10:00 -
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I have little experiance with remote repping, but I would say common sense saysthat if you assist someone in battle or war then you open yourself up to the same mechanics. If you neutrally remote rep someone the neutrals aggression timer should last as long as the war or that of the aggression timer of the individual/s that have been assisted
Slade
Originally by: Crumplecorn NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine.
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5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.12.09 19:10:00 -
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Quote: A.) Cloaked AFK ships
If you can actually come up with a decent way of having enough peace of mind deep in nullsec anytime you need to go afk 5 mins, without it being a better option to be logging off and on again all the time and missing all out on all the chat comms etc... I'm all ears.
Quote: B.) Falcons
Their jamming strength is fine, it's the range which is the issue, which as I've said before should probably be corrected by giving them more survivability if needed as they are a primary target.
Quote: C.) Neutral Remote Repping
Only the insta dock is the problem here really, but we'd need a new docking denied because... type message I think.
"You were denied docking because of your recent interference in a concord sanctioned dispute" or something.
If I had to pick one I'd pick falcons because they far too central to every fleet battle I'm ever taking part in, getting pretty old hat. "Have they got more falcons then us?" "protect our falcons" "primary is "xXx" falcon" etc...
I'm not happy with the balance of the races at the moment either though if the choice was up to me.
Caldari suck, Minmatar now suck a lot more but at least not as much as Caldari, Gallente has their webs nerfed but still going decent and Amarr sits on it's hill laughing at all the rest.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Ninjas N Pirates Wong Thong Crew
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Posted - 2008.12.09 19:18:00 -
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I went for both a and b and got the falcon
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Afale II
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.12.09 19:18:00 -
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8/10 nice troll, would read again
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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
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Posted - 2008.12.09 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
is to fit ECCM, which will always sacrifice something, either part of your tank, or take off your point, or drastically reduce damage output.
Damn, I need one of those "Drastic Damage Increase" mid slot items! Besides, I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down |
Gnomes Rock
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Posted - 2008.12.09 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Quote: A.) Cloaked AFK ships
If you can actually come up with a decent way of having enough peace of mind deep in nullsec anytime you need to go afk 5 mins, without it being a better option to be logging off and on again all the time and missing all out on all the chat comms etc... I'm all ears.
How about a full-system scan that takes 45 minutes to complete, that reports on all cloaked ships in the system and nothing else. The probe wouldn't show up on scanner but would need to be use on a cov-ops frigate and the scan results wouldn;t show you anything except people that are cloaked.
Once started any interuption breaks the scans progress.
Right now though, a cloaked afk Pilgrim in ratting space is just as broken as ratters being able to cloak at the first sign of local loading a portrait. |
soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Trinity Council.
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Posted - 2008.12.09 19:34:00 -
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Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 09/12/2008 19:33:57 People, this isnt a flaming contest about if im right or not, and flaming ME for these ideas, because i can assure you, the flames arent insulting me, and it was not i that came up w/ these ideas, i gathered these "reasons" from other threads, and rolled them into one to get other people's ideas
true, none of these are a threat to the game itself, just large annoyances, but then again, we had so many people *****ing about nano's that werent going to be the end of eve either
at least i got 8/10 on the troll rating
\0/ for me
if you dont think any of these things need to be nerfed, do what an earlier poster did, and put d.) none of the above or something
i have a very tough flame shield
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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Faife
Noctiscion
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Posted - 2008.12.09 19:35:00 -
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i think the biggest problem is that i can't retroactively add sunglasses to my profile without doing the character swap thing --
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Trinity Council.
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Posted - 2008.12.09 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
Originally by: Khemul Zula Why do people think posting these things in GD is a good idea? It only leads to pain and suffering and the OP getting flamed for causing it.
because it doesnt fit anywhere else. . . . . ?
That is true. CCP does need to add another forum for discussion of features and ideas. Not sure what they'd call it though.
may i ask how the content of this thread is a feature or idea?
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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Sebea
Bottomfeeders Science and Research
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Posted - 2008.12.09 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
Cloaked AFK Ships: Main argument: they are overpowered because they get into your (mainly) 00 system warp to a safespot, then go afk for 8 hours, after they wake up, they find the nearest hulk thats mining and gank him, then quickly go and hide again, and rinse and repeat. it is "overpowered" because there is absolutely NO way to catch them until your friend is already dead, and by which time he has warped away, and goes afk again, and its impossible to konw where he is at any given time.
Once they put local into delay, this will no longer be an issue, as recons will finally see their actual full potential and ship class realized.
So basically if your patient, this is a non issue, as sometime this coming year they intend to fix locals broken "free intel", you won't know if there's a recon there or not.
Work on the other two, or set up a trap for said cloaking pilgrim, if he's willing to wait 8 hours for a kill, you should be willing to wait the same amount of time to kill him right? RIGHT?
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Black Plague.
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Posted - 2008.12.09 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
Originally by: Khemul Zula That is true. CCP does need to add another forum for discussion of features and ideas. Not sure what they'd call it though.
may i ask how the content of this thread is a feature or idea?
In that case this thread should be locked for lack of content.
I had assumed the purpose of this thread was to discuss current features or ideas on gameplay changes.
------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it. |
soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Trinity Council.
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Posted - 2008.12.09 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Last Wolf
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
is to fit ECCM, which will always sacrifice something, either part of your tank, or take off your point, or drastically reduce damage output.
Damn, I need one of those "Drastic Damage Increase" mid slot items!
ECCM: takes up mid slots, on gallente / amarr / some minnie ships, takes off your point, and caldari shield tank
Sesor Backup Arrays: takes up low slots, which means you can sacrifice some of your tank and keep your point for gallente / amarr / some minnie; but takes off the damage modifier for missile boats (many caldari ships) and some gank ships, like the megathron, and deimos for example or take off point and save your tank
again, not my ideas people, just ideas ive found on the forums, and rolling into one thread
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Trinity Council.
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Posted - 2008.12.09 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
Originally by: Khemul Zula That is true. CCP does need to add another forum for discussion of features and ideas. Not sure what they'd call it though.
may i ask how the content of this thread is a feature or idea?
In that case this thread should be locked for lack of content.
I had assumed the purpose of this thread was to discuss current features or ideas on gameplay changes.
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
if you had to pick one of these to be voted to get smacked w/ the nerf bat a few times which would it be?
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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TheEndofTheWorld
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.12.09 19:55:00 -
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falcons is the only one that has any reasonable whine about it
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Black Plague.
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Posted - 2008.12.09 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
Originally by: Khemul Zula That is true. CCP does need to add another forum for discussion of features and ideas. Not sure what they'd call it though.
may i ask how the content of this thread is a feature or idea?
In that case this thread should be locked for lack of content.
I had assumed the purpose of this thread was to discuss current features or ideas on gameplay changes.
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
if you had to pick one of these to be voted to get smacked w/ the nerf bat a few times which would it be?
I accept your surrender.
------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it. |
Sebea
Bottomfeeders Science and Research
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Posted - 2008.12.09 20:08:00 -
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Edited by: Sebea on 09/12/2008 20:09:13 Edited by: Sebea on 09/12/2008 20:08:35 your all getting trolled, the entire thread is a poorly disguised Recon whine
Edit: **** poor at that
Edit: why in the hell is **** a bad word?
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Laura Steel
The Chaotic Order Void.
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Posted - 2008.12.09 20:13:00 -
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Edited by: Laura Steel on 09/12/2008 20:13:44 Pos mounted scanner that takes 1+ hours to finish scanning but pinpoints cloaked (and uncloaked) ships.
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Edit, could make covop class cloaks immune I guess. ----
Nothing is as it appears; nor is it anything else.
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.12.09 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Cloaked AFK Ships: Main argument: they are overpowered because they get into your (mainly) 00 system warp to a safespot, then go afk for 8 hours, after they wake up, they find the nearest hulk thats mining and gank him, then quickly go and hide again, and rinse and repeat. it is "overpowered" because there is absolutely NO way to catch them until your friend is already dead, and by which time he has warped away, and goes afk again, and its impossible to konw where he is at any given time.
To this day, this still cracks me up. So for eight hours it's totally harmless (which apparently is overpowered), and then ganks a mining ship (real tough).
*shakes head*
This, not to mention that in 8 hours of mining, you make at least 10 times the cost of your mining ship. The cloaked AFKer on other hand is losing a lot of time, and time = money.
Since it is more profitable to be on the mining side than on the AFK cloaker side, it is hardly an overpowered situation.
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