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Ombey Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.10 12:18:00 - [31] Originally by: TimMc Its a bloody game ffs, would you prefer to take a few hours to warp across a system? "got a point on him, warp to me" "rgr, warping to you. Right, afk, back in 20 mins" -- 2d EveMaps\|My blog
3rr0rc0d3 Amarr	Posted - 2008.12.10 12:37:00 - [32] Originally by: Amy Wang fastest warp speed in eve: about 15au/sec You were doing fine untill this.. My Malediction is fitted with 2 T1 rigs for warpspeed, and does exactly 19.6 AU/s. If I was to use T2 rigs, I'd end up on 21.1 AU/s. ______________________ Originally by: CCP SessionChange tbh guys, you're all slaves to me...
Todd Doughnut	Posted - 2008.12.10 12:53:00 - [33] But you missed the fact that the eve universe is really tiny. SO tiny in fact it fits onto a few hundred PC's. Thius ships in eve are only going at about 20 miles an hour - or 1250.12 furlongs per fortnight if you prefer.
Ryoji Tanakama Caldari Firestar Drive Yards	Posted - 2008.12.10 13:06:00 - [34] Originally by: Super Skulls What you should be concerned about is that accelerating tothe speed of light would require infinite energy. Fixed that for you. ;) There is not infinite mass or energy in the universe, and maintaining the speed of light in vacuum is possible, potentially, through the law of conservation of momentum alone. No energy required. in fact, not maintaining speed of light travel would require the expendature of energy. This is only a problem at accelleration approaching the speed of light or going just beyond it, where energy demands are impossible to meet. It's not necessarily a problem when you're accelerating significantly beyond the speed of light. That's when I'd start worrying about other laws of physics... I mean, WTF happens to relativity at this point... and time dilation?
LunaticWithCandy Caldari Gates of Valhalla	Posted - 2008.12.10 13:11:00 - [35] Originally by: Todd Doughnut But you missed the fact that the eve universe is really tiny. SO tiny in fact it fits onto a few hundred PC's. Thius ships in eve are only going at about 20 miles an hour - or 1250.12 furlongs per fortnight if you prefer. This is the funniest thing I've read in a long time lol. Get out of my dreams and into my van.
Mishallia Venari Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.10 13:17:00 - [36] Ok, lets put this to bed shall we. 1AU (Awesomeness Unit) is agreed internationally as 149,597,871 ¦ 0.030 Km (Kill Mails) So traveling at reletivistic velocities, ie those approaching C (Cake) (Come one, lets face it. Cake approach speeds are pretty impressive, especially if its fresh cake) we are moving at close to 2243968065 Kill Mails per second or The total gennocide of the entire eve cluster in 0.0001 seconds. As we know this to not be the case (we dont die every 1/10000th of a second) speeds must be slower and the numbers must simply be made up. Considering the fine work of the esteemed Professor Doughnut earlier in the thread i would be inclined now, to agree with the slower speeds of our internet spaceships. Further refinement of his work using stop watches, tape measures and trundle wheels would suggest a speed of 1250 furlongs per fortnight ¦ 47 chains. Mish Got Sig?
Ryoji Tanakama Caldari Firestar Drive Yards	Posted - 2008.12.10 13:21:00 - [37] Originally by: Mishallia Venari Ok, lets put this to bed shall we. 1AU (Awesomeness Unit) is agreed internationally as 149,597,871 ¦ 0.030 Km (Kill Mails) So traveling at reletivistic velocities, ie those approaching C (Cake) (Come one, lets face it. Cake approach speeds are pretty impressive, especially if its fresh cake) we are moving at close to 2243968065 Kill Mails per second or The total gennocide of the entire eve cluster in 0.0001 seconds. As we know this to not be the case (we dont die every 1/10000th of a second) speeds must be slower and the numbers must simply be made up. Considering the fine work of the esteemed Professor Doughnut earlier in the thread i would be inclined now, to agree with the slower speeds of our internet spaceships. Further refinement of his work using stop watches, tape measures and trundle wheels would suggest a speed of 1250 furlongs per fortnight ¦ 47 chains. Mish This post delivers. I will be moving at more awesome units per second in the future for faster aquisition of cake.
Stubek Cogito Facio Fio Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2008.12.10 13:48:00 - [38] This thread doesn't take into account navigational issues. Plowing through uncharted space at several thousand times the speed of light isn't exactly the safest pass-time in the world. To paraphrase; burrowing through the core of a star at cruise speed would end your inter-system warp right quick and in a hurry.
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.12.10 13:51:00 - [39] Originally by: Stubek This thread doesn't take into account navigational issues. Plowing through uncharted space at several thousand times the speed of light isn't exactly the safest pass-time in the world. To paraphrase; burrowing through the core of a star at cruise speed would end your inter-system warp right quick and in a hurry. At 7000 times the speed of light, you'd be through the star before your eyes registered brightness, to say nothing of feeling heat. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
PiehO	Posted - 2008.12.10 13:51:00 - [40] Originally by: Ryoji Tanakama This post delivers. I will be moving at more awesome units per second in the future for faster aquisition of cake.[/quote Bah, you kids these days know nothing, the cake has, and will always be, a lie!

Mankirks Wife Caldari Space Furry Association	Posted - 2008.12.10 13:53:00 - [41] Originally by: Manisk Edited by: Manisk on 09/12/2008 21:16:48 "few theories that are nowhere near testing..." so general relativity is just a simple theory that hasn't been tested, yet we pretty much use it everywhere in our every day life (well the technology we use does)... Relativity is only a theory. Same as evolution and gravity and many other things. --- Originally by: tarin adur Also, cuz Sporks are like minmatar,do lots of things ok...but nothing spectacularly.
Pippan Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:06:00 - [42] Originally by: Super Skulls What you should be concerned about is that traveling at the speed of light would require all the energy in the universe. Actually you would only need the negative energy of some billion suns.. But since physics cant stabilize with only negative energy it cant be done =] "Nature is a banker who always gets back what is owed" So stop crying noob.
Flossing	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:10:00 - [43] How ever fast they are, they not as fast as a frenchman surrendering
Mishallia Venari Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:14:00 - [44] Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: Stubek This thread doesn't take into account navigational issues. Plowing through uncharted space at several thousand times the speed of light isn't exactly the safest pass-time in the world. To paraphrase; burrowing through the core of a star at cruise speed would end your inter-system warp right quick and in a hurry. At 7000 times the speed of light, you'd be through the star before your eyes registered brightness, to say nothing of feeling heat. Sigh. missed my point totally :( moving at 7000 times the speed of light, or 3877938120000 AU/h would mean you were so utterly awesome that a star would simply GTFO your way for fear of being annihilated. Of course this would never happen due to the Awesomeness being so high, that you would never accidentally encounter any object you didnt intend to find. Reasoning this out further, if one were to attain the theroetical maximun level of awesomeness (approx 47.36Au/s measured on and awesomometer calibrafed in a null fail field) one could simply find Jove space and all the T2 BPO's in a single trip by arbitrarilly pointing their ship in a random direction and hitting the loud pedal. Mish Got Sig?
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:17:00 - [45] Originally by: Mankirks Wife Originally by: Manisk Edited by: Manisk on 09/12/2008 21:16:48 "few theories that are nowhere near testing..." so general relativity is just a simple theory that hasn't been tested, yet we pretty much use it everywhere in our every day life (well the technology we use does)... Relativity is only a theory. Same as evolution and gravity and many other things. The level of ignorance about the definition of the word theory is disturbing. A theory is an idea that's been tested thoroughly in an effort to disproove it, and the effort failed. For the layman, a tested theory is as good as fact. Its not to say that theories aren't proven wrong with better information, but that's the beauty of science, its not dogma, so when better data comes in, there's nothing wrong with revising the theory with further testing. Too many people tie the word "fact" with "theory", the connotation of being considered a "fact" means that the idea is absolute, etched in stone, never to be questioned. "Facts" are very rare things, because so little in the world is so well known as to be beyond further question. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
Mishallia Venari Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:22:00 - [46] Edited by: Mishallia Venari on 10/12/2008 14:23:17 Fact, there will be down time Theory, The server will be back up on time Skeptisism, not believing that theory. Optimism, Poasting a thread now saying 'INCOMPATIBLE PROTOCOL, OMG OMG the sky if falling' Mish Edit : dyslexic fingers Got Sig?
Flossing	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:23:00 - [47] Too many people tie the word "fact" with "theory", the connotation of being considered a "fact" means that the idea is absolute, etched in stone, never to be questioned. Nice to know all those grave stones are fact.
Mankirks Wife Caldari Space Furry Association	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:35:00 - [48] Originally by: Janu Hull blah blah blah Why go to all that trouble when you can just say "God did it" and stop thinking? --- Originally by: tarin adur Also, cuz Sporks are like minmatar,do lots of things ok...but nothing spectacularly.
MyOwnSling Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:37:00 - [49] Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: Mankirks Wife Originally by: Manisk Edited by: Manisk on 09/12/2008 21:16:48 "few theories that are nowhere near testing..." so general relativity is just a simple theory that hasn't been tested, yet we pretty much use it everywhere in our every day life (well the technology we use does)... Relativity is only a theory. Same as evolution and gravity and many other things. The level of ignorance about the definition of the word theory is disturbing. A theory is an idea that's been tested thoroughly in an effort to disproove it, and the effort failed. For the layman, a tested theory is as good as fact. Its not to say that theories aren't proven wrong with better information, but that's the beauty of science, its not dogma, so when better data comes in, there's nothing wrong with revising the theory with further testing. Too many people tie the word "fact" with "theory", the connotation of being considered a "fact" means that the idea is absolute, etched in stone, never to be questioned. "Facts" are very rare things, because so little in the world is so well known as to be beyond further question. Thank you, I don't know how many times I have wanted to correct people on this. And just for the record, relativity was shown a long time ago (decades) and again recently to be correct through tests and observation. ------------- Stop whining. Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face... Originally by: MooKids I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
Klandi Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:43:00 - [50] Ahh Janu Facts are not as rare as you say - as a fact (or truth) occurs whenever two or more people agree on irrefutable evidence. i.e. this post is a fact cos I'm writing it and you will be reading the result. Historical facts are presented as records and these records may or may not be true (personal opinion does taint) or the records could be amended to read as the controlling party requires (books of religon prove that point) IMO The only true fact is that reality is relative and EVERYTHING can be mis-interpreted

Klandi Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:45:00 - [51] Mmmmm working on a point for that last post .....
chaotic pandemonium	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:46:00 - [52] Sigh, if you all want to base things off of relativity and newtonian physics technically most of you are wrong. As an object approaches the speed of light mass becomes infinite, length becomes nothing and time stops. To do this you would need to find a way to convert mass into pure energy. This would mean that by the time you reached light speed you would be nothing more then a light beam. For example see: http://quantumweird.wordpress.com/category/space-distortion/ yes the AU in eve is fairly accurate 93 million miles is approx 150mil km Technically speaking the engines should not create drag in space. I do not know how you create drag inside a vacuum. Also once the speed of light is reached if it were possible should take nothing to continue that velocity providing no external forces act on it. The only way this would be possible is if one could find a way to fold space. There are various wormhole theories. These would allow people to travel distances in virtually no time at all. However it would be less likely that our ships would accelerate in the manner that they do just simply enter the wormhole and pass through, which basically destroys all current understanding of relativity. This leads to more the general thoughts of string theory. Which comines the theories of quantum mechanics and relativity. Either way I really dont want to get into that. So yes eve is a very theoretical universe that has many inaccuracies. In conclusion, its a game. The rules are set for better playability and are designed to make the game more fun and challenging. So let ccp worry about their physics.
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:48:00 - [53] Originally by: Mankirks Wife Originally by: Janu Hull blah blah blah Why go to all that trouble when you can just say "God did it" and stop thinking? Because I don't need an imaginary friend formed out of the barbaric superstitions and hallucinations a pedocidal idiot named Abraham to explain the world around me. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:49:00 - [54] Originally by: MyOwnSling Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: Mankirks Wife Originally by: Manisk Edited by: Manisk on 09/12/2008 21:16:48 "few theories that are nowhere near testing..." so general relativity is just a simple theory that hasn't been tested, yet we pretty much use it everywhere in our every day life (well the technology we use does)... Relativity is only a theory. Same as evolution and gravity and many other things. The level of ignorance about the definition of the word theory is disturbing. A theory is an idea that's been tested thoroughly in an effort to disproove it, and the effort failed. For the layman, a tested theory is as good as fact. Its not to say that theories aren't proven wrong with better information, but that's the beauty of science, its not dogma, so when better data comes in, there's nothing wrong with revising the theory with further testing. Too many people tie the word "fact" with "theory", the connotation of being considered a "fact" means that the idea is absolute, etched in stone, never to be questioned. "Facts" are very rare things, because so little in the world is so well known as to be beyond further question. Thank you, I don't know how many times I have wanted to correct people on this. And just for the record, relativity was shown a long time ago (decades) and again recently to be correct through tests and observation. I was never a big believer in gravitationally induced time dilation, but its been pretty unequivocally confirmed to exist by the GPS satellite network. Their internal clocks on the satellites are just enough out of synch with ground clocks to confirm that time is moving fractionally slower on the ground than it is at their altitude. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
Boomershoot Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:50:00 - [55] Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: Mankirks Wife Originally by: Janu Hull blah blah blah Why go to all that trouble when you can just say "God did it" and stop thinking? Because I don't need an imaginary friend formed out of the barbaric superstitions and hallucinations a pedocidal idiot named Abraham to explain the world around me. This thread delivers ______________________________________________
Klandi Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:50:00 - [56] WOOT - siderailed the thread into a discussion of theology
MyOwnSling Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:50:00 - [57] Originally by: chaotic pandemonium theoretical As related to the above discussion, this should be hypothetical, not theoretical. The concept of FTL drives are not theorized to exist, just hypothesized. ------------- Stop whining. Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face... Originally by: MooKids I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.12.10 15:01:00 - [58] Considering this is all fiction, I just made myself a explanation up why interstellar travel isn't possible with the normal warp drive: The warp drive requires a gravity well to be able to keep the frictionless warp-bubble stable on course. If you get too far away from the star on 'even' space, the warp bubble will start bouncing around like a water drop on a hotplate, flinging the unfortunate ship off on a random journey into interstellar space, never to be seen again. Warp drives specifically made for interstellar travel are slow and huge. They don't use a permanent warp bubble but activate and deactivate the warp drive in high frequency, allowing a more stable warp and constant course corrections. As interstellar ships are a great investment, they don't get sent away on blind luck. Interstellar probes are used to scan out potential colonies. In opposite to the slow colony ships, the probes are flung at high warp speeds at the target star. It functions very similar to a stone skipping over water. While travel will then only take a short time, navigation is more inaccurate, resulting in the loss of quite a few probes before a hit is scored. It is theorized that a few of the missing ships in early warp space travel went beyond the event horizon of the star's gravity well and got lost in space. It may even be possible that there is a human colony on a undiscovered system somewhere far off the jump routes from one of those ships getting stranded there, though without extensive exploration we will most likely never know. Yes, I just made all this up. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Cierejai Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.10 15:29:00 - [59] Unrolling masking tape in a vacuum produces enough radiation to take X-rays.
vanBuskirk Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.10 15:41:00 - [60] Regarding warping through suns as a problem: In several places, it is stated that a ship in warp is outside real space. This is the rationale for the warp tunnel effect, and also the excuse for the fact that the warp drive will send you straight through other ships, stations and planets on your way to destination. The trouble with using the insystem warp drive to go from star to star is that it needs something to lock on to, even if that something is only a navigational bookmark. I suppose that theoretically, use of an Observator probe to give you a highly inaccurate lock on something in system might result in an aiming point for travel out of system, and this could be repeated with the use of a heck of a lot of such probes until you got close enough to the destination to lock onto something there. I'd like to see this being possible. However, it won't be for the simple reason that CCP want an area players can't get to. This is also the reason why cyno-less jumpdrives won't come in. Another reason for the latter is that it would make control of an area of space absolutely impossible. ---------------------------------------------- "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."



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