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Amy Wang	Posted - 2008.12.09 18:59:00 - [1] So I was wondering how fast are ships in eve actually so I did some quick calculations: fastest warp speed in eve: about 15au/sec (rigged covert/inty, yes it is not exactly 15 actually but 15 was easy to calculate with so bear with me ) 1 au = rough distance from earth to sun = about 8 light minutes so 15 au/sec are 2 light hours per second (15x8mins=120mins=2h) So for a distance the light travels 2 hours the ship takes one second, meaning it is 7200 times faster then light or 7200x C, quite impressive, that's about 8.1 trillion* km/h in case you were wondering (* American trillion not European trillion that is, yep, they are not the same) For comparison: In Star Trek warp factor 9 is something like 1500x C and warp factor 9.9 which is pretty much the realistic limit is about 6500x C which is pretty close to Eves max warp speed see above, coincidence? I think not ) So to travel e.g. from Sendaya to Doril (about 4ly, a region jump and a moderately far one at that) our ship would take about 5 hours provided it could travel at top speed all the time which it prolly cant due to cap restrictions so it has to slow down and start a new warp again and again etc but the difference will just be few hours in any case So inter system travel using warp drives should be possible, at least the speeds and distances involved don't forbid it, I know the game engine forbids it but that is not my point. Also lol at backstories saying a ship to build a jump gate in another system takes a couple decades to arrive, what kind of outdated warpdrives must they have been using
J Ryan Caldari Under Heavy Fire	Posted - 2008.12.09 19:13:00 - [2] Say an eve ship can travel 100au in one capacitor which with average skills seems quite reasonable. Now imagine that the ship can fully recharge its capacitor in 3 minutes (cap recahrge of 180secs seems quite good). To travel 4 light years or 252,958 au this would take 2529 warps. If they had to wait 3 minutes after each warp to do another, this would take 7,588 minutes or 5.2days. Eve warp travel, good for tactical warping, sucks for long distance travel.
Super Skulls Two Week Warriors	Posted - 2008.12.09 19:13:00 - [3] What you should be concerned about is that traveling at the speed of light would require all the energy in the universe.
Karille Gallente Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.12.09 19:15:00 - [4] Originally by: Super Skulls What you should be concerned about is that traveling at the speed of light would require all the energy in the universe. The warp drive bends space and we hop over a short gap.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.12.09 20:35:00 - [5] Originally by: Karille Originally by: Super Skulls What you should be concerned about is that traveling at the speed of light would require all the energy in the universe. The warp drive bends space and we hop over a short gap. Not in Eve. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Blastil	Posted - 2008.12.09 20:49:00 - [6] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Karille Originally by: Super Skulls What you should be concerned about is that traveling at the speed of light would require all the energy in the universe. The warp drive bends space and we hop over a short gap. Not in Eve. Physics? in MY eve? This is comming from a universe that has the aproximate density of chocolate pudding, based on how fast your ships slow to a stop.
Anubis Assassin Caldari Heavens Gate Consortium	Posted - 2008.12.09 20:54:00 - [7] I just think it's the funniest thing ever when people try to post "RL" things like "it'll take all the power in the universe" or "it can't because of this" for something that doesn't exist yet and people really have no idea how it would work beyond a few theories that are nowhere near testing... --------------------------- I have to make my own sig break? WTF? These forums suck CCP, fix 'em or get something better... I'm tired of reading Khraunus' sig every single time I read one of his
Manisk	Posted - 2008.12.09 21:16:00 - [8] Edited by: Manisk on 09/12/2008 21:16:48 "few theories that are nowhere near testing..." so general relativity is just a simple theory that hasn't been tested, yet we pretty much use it everywhere in our every day life (well the technology we use does)...
Mes Devour Blackwater Syndicate Shade Underworld	Posted - 2008.12.09 21:25:00 - [9] this thread = trolls trolling trolls
AkRoYeR Amarr	Posted - 2008.12.10 00:38:00 - [10] Originally by: Mes Devour this thread = trolls trolling trolls Than I'm in!

CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.10 00:52:00 - [11] Originally by: Amy Wang American trillion not European trillion that is, yep, they are not the same It would do you well to point out the difference between the two. And FYI, American and European trillions might not be the same as Danish trillions. This is not a troll-attempt, this is merely stating a fact that language difference can cause confusion and a Trillion in Danish is not a very small number...
Lyvanna Kitaen Minmatar Noonday Sun Corp	Posted - 2008.12.10 01:19:00 - [12] Originally by: Super Skulls What you should be concerned about is that traveling at the speed of light would require all the energy in the universe. At the speed of light, but perhaps travelling faster than light could require less energy. The problem is just getting over the hump. Of course this is Eve so science doesn't have to enter into it at all.
Spike 68 Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.12.10 02:43:00 - [13] Edited by: Spike 68 on 10/12/2008 02:48:27 Originally by: Blastil This is comming from a universe that has the aproximate density of chocolate pudding that pretty much sums it up. Originally by: Amy Wang (* American trillion not European trillion that is, yep, they are not the same) So use scientific notation (8.1 X 10^12) km/h
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.12.10 02:59:00 - [14] Originally by: Blastil This is comming from a universe that has the aproximate density of chocolate pudding IIRC, the warp drive in eve's core drags on space/time which is the reason for the deceleration / chocolate pudding effect. -- Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donæt forget the reach-around.
Jona Picroft	Posted - 2008.12.10 03:21:00 - [15] http://www.eve-online.com/background/jump/jump_05.asp Eve Backstory on jump drives So stop arguing about how it works
Shining Tears	Posted - 2008.12.10 04:32:00 - [16] i think the main problem behind the hold thing is they just havent developed a way for a covert/inty warp engines to lock onto a target thats 4 l.y. away that and who would want to take a 5day trip.. that plus youd have to factor in server downtime.. so for the moment just work on jump drives so they can work without a cyn then downsize them for smaller ships :P
Dictum Factum Gemini Sun Violent-Tendencies	Posted - 2008.12.10 06:54:00 - [17] Originally by: Shining Tears so for the moment just work on jump drives so they can work without a cyn then downsize them for smaller ships The trouble with that is the simple fact that all of the inventors in the universe are too busy inventing things that have already been invented. I know less than you think I do.
Komen Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.12.10 07:09:00 - [18] An AU in Eve is 150...million? Billion?... kilometers. I forget which, I'd have to log in and look at it...meh. Anyways, nothing to do with average distance of earth to sun. In warp, even the slowest ships are moving hundreds of times the speed of light.
Entreri Finwe Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.10 07:24:00 - [19] Originally by: Komen Edited by: Komen on 10/12/2008 07:17:32 An AU in Eve is 150...million? Billion?... kilometers. I forget which, I'd have to log in and look at it...meh. Anyways, nothing to do with average distance of earth to sun. In warp, even the slowest ships are moving hundreds of times the speed of light. Edit: Right, so I checked. It's 150 million kilometers to an AU in Eve. So, at 1 AU per sec warp speed, you're doing 500 x the speed of light. Which means cruisers are doing 2250 x light speed (4.5 AU/sec), and the very fastest warps at 15 AU per sec are covering 2,250,000,000 kilometers every second. Now if only my car went that fast. Daily commute to work, fractional millionths of a second! Originally by: WikiPedia The astronomical unit (AU or au or a.u. or sometimes ua) is a unit of length based on the distance from the Earth to the Sun. The precise value of the AU is currently accepted as 149,597,870,691 ¦ 30 metres (nearly 150 million kilometres or 93 million miles). Linkety Originally by: jarack I de-synced in my bathroom once, now i have no where to wash my hands
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.12.10 07:33:00 - [20] Well my ships operate with a flux capacitor, though the constant problem solving between spot A and B is beginning to be a bore looks at own hand Phew. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.

Huurtney Gurdsen	Posted - 2008.12.10 09:20:00 - [21] Eve physics are built on the Flash Gordon/Battlestar Galactica model I believe. Yea, though I wart through the valet of thy shadowy hut I will feed no norman.
Fujiko MaXjolt Caldari Templar Republic	Posted - 2008.12.10 09:27:00 - [22] Originally by: Jona Picroft http://www.eve-online.com/background/jump/jump_05.asp Eve Backstory on jump drives So stop arguing about how it works Confirming this is a rick-roll.
vbCrLf	Posted - 2008.12.10 10:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Super Skulls What you should be concerned about is that traveling at the speed of light would require all the energy in the universe. WOW! See I knew it! I knew there was something fishy about my 300Watt power supply. Being able to supply all my ships with enough energy to warp at light speed. The stuff you get from garage sales nowadays is unbelievable.
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.10 10:53:00 - [24] Its a bloody game ffs, would you prefer to take a few hours to warp across a system?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.12.10 11:46:00 - [25] Chocolate pudding is due to ships not using thrust for movement. This is also why they can be put in reverse. - DesuSigs
Calgura Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.10 11:49:00 - [26] Only 15 au/s? The speed ceptors (afraid I only know the Gallente one (Ares)) has a base of 13.5au/s. Add that with t2 rigs (each giving 25%), you're up around 20au/s.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.12.10 11:50:00 - [27] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Well my ships operate with a flux capacitor, though the constant problem solving between spot A and B is beginning to be a bore looks at own hand Phew. My minmatar ships run on Amarrian babies. Yes, thats right. The young ones burn cleaner and produce less emissions. ------------ Originally by: Nexus Kinnon I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>
Mishallia Venari Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.10 11:56:00 - [28] OK, im officially freaked out now. I sat and worked out very similar things yesterday (slow day in the office) just to see what sort of figures i came up with, then this thread appears. I started on the idea that unexplored systems would need to be reached using standard travel methods such as warp drive, not jump gates. so i worked on using a recon (perfect ship for er, recon work?) and at 3.8 au/sec i worked out a warp speed of around 1900c which agrees with the above. Travel to the system would involve lower than top speeds due to cap sustainability and stress on the drive systems. Say a long range warp speed of 50%. Even that worked out to be around 6 days to move 12ly. Mish Got Sig?
Klandi Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.12.10 12:07:00 - [29] But I must add to the discussion ....... Is the chocolate pudding made with the correct MIX of ingredients and are the language differences enough for people to maintain a logical understanding of the total irrelevance this topic contains. To explain with language when the language you use is imperfect ..... Carry on fake edit ... and why did I just say that ?
Franga Gristle Industries	Posted - 2008.12.10 12:10:00 - [30] Please note: EVE is a game. ----------

Ombey Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.10 12:18:00 - [31] Originally by: TimMc Its a bloody game ffs, would you prefer to take a few hours to warp across a system? "got a point on him, warp to me" "rgr, warping to you. Right, afk, back in 20 mins" -- 2d EveMaps\|My blog
3rr0rc0d3 Amarr	Posted - 2008.12.10 12:37:00 - [32] Originally by: Amy Wang fastest warp speed in eve: about 15au/sec You were doing fine untill this.. My Malediction is fitted with 2 T1 rigs for warpspeed, and does exactly 19.6 AU/s. If I was to use T2 rigs, I'd end up on 21.1 AU/s. ______________________ Originally by: CCP SessionChange tbh guys, you're all slaves to me...
Todd Doughnut	Posted - 2008.12.10 12:53:00 - [33] But you missed the fact that the eve universe is really tiny. SO tiny in fact it fits onto a few hundred PC's. Thius ships in eve are only going at about 20 miles an hour - or 1250.12 furlongs per fortnight if you prefer.
Ryoji Tanakama Caldari Firestar Drive Yards	Posted - 2008.12.10 13:06:00 - [34] Originally by: Super Skulls What you should be concerned about is that accelerating tothe speed of light would require infinite energy. Fixed that for you. ;) There is not infinite mass or energy in the universe, and maintaining the speed of light in vacuum is possible, potentially, through the law of conservation of momentum alone. No energy required. in fact, not maintaining speed of light travel would require the expendature of energy. This is only a problem at accelleration approaching the speed of light or going just beyond it, where energy demands are impossible to meet. It's not necessarily a problem when you're accelerating significantly beyond the speed of light. That's when I'd start worrying about other laws of physics... I mean, WTF happens to relativity at this point... and time dilation?
LunaticWithCandy Caldari Gates of Valhalla	Posted - 2008.12.10 13:11:00 - [35] Originally by: Todd Doughnut But you missed the fact that the eve universe is really tiny. SO tiny in fact it fits onto a few hundred PC's. Thius ships in eve are only going at about 20 miles an hour - or 1250.12 furlongs per fortnight if you prefer. This is the funniest thing I've read in a long time lol. Get out of my dreams and into my van.
Mishallia Venari Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.10 13:17:00 - [36] Ok, lets put this to bed shall we. 1AU (Awesomeness Unit) is agreed internationally as 149,597,871 ¦ 0.030 Km (Kill Mails) So traveling at reletivistic velocities, ie those approaching C (Cake) (Come one, lets face it. Cake approach speeds are pretty impressive, especially if its fresh cake) we are moving at close to 2243968065 Kill Mails per second or The total gennocide of the entire eve cluster in 0.0001 seconds. As we know this to not be the case (we dont die every 1/10000th of a second) speeds must be slower and the numbers must simply be made up. Considering the fine work of the esteemed Professor Doughnut earlier in the thread i would be inclined now, to agree with the slower speeds of our internet spaceships. Further refinement of his work using stop watches, tape measures and trundle wheels would suggest a speed of 1250 furlongs per fortnight ¦ 47 chains. Mish Got Sig?
Ryoji Tanakama Caldari Firestar Drive Yards	Posted - 2008.12.10 13:21:00 - [37] Originally by: Mishallia Venari Ok, lets put this to bed shall we. 1AU (Awesomeness Unit) is agreed internationally as 149,597,871 ¦ 0.030 Km (Kill Mails) So traveling at reletivistic velocities, ie those approaching C (Cake) (Come one, lets face it. Cake approach speeds are pretty impressive, especially if its fresh cake) we are moving at close to 2243968065 Kill Mails per second or The total gennocide of the entire eve cluster in 0.0001 seconds. As we know this to not be the case (we dont die every 1/10000th of a second) speeds must be slower and the numbers must simply be made up. Considering the fine work of the esteemed Professor Doughnut earlier in the thread i would be inclined now, to agree with the slower speeds of our internet spaceships. Further refinement of his work using stop watches, tape measures and trundle wheels would suggest a speed of 1250 furlongs per fortnight ¦ 47 chains. Mish This post delivers. I will be moving at more awesome units per second in the future for faster aquisition of cake.
Stubek Cogito Facio Fio Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2008.12.10 13:48:00 - [38] This thread doesn't take into account navigational issues. Plowing through uncharted space at several thousand times the speed of light isn't exactly the safest pass-time in the world. To paraphrase; burrowing through the core of a star at cruise speed would end your inter-system warp right quick and in a hurry.
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.12.10 13:51:00 - [39] Originally by: Stubek This thread doesn't take into account navigational issues. Plowing through uncharted space at several thousand times the speed of light isn't exactly the safest pass-time in the world. To paraphrase; burrowing through the core of a star at cruise speed would end your inter-system warp right quick and in a hurry. At 7000 times the speed of light, you'd be through the star before your eyes registered brightness, to say nothing of feeling heat. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
PiehO	Posted - 2008.12.10 13:51:00 - [40] Originally by: Ryoji Tanakama This post delivers. I will be moving at more awesome units per second in the future for faster aquisition of cake.[/quote Bah, you kids these days know nothing, the cake has, and will always be, a lie!

Mankirks Wife Caldari Space Furry Association	Posted - 2008.12.10 13:53:00 - [41] Originally by: Manisk Edited by: Manisk on 09/12/2008 21:16:48 "few theories that are nowhere near testing..." so general relativity is just a simple theory that hasn't been tested, yet we pretty much use it everywhere in our every day life (well the technology we use does)... Relativity is only a theory. Same as evolution and gravity and many other things. --- Originally by: tarin adur Also, cuz Sporks are like minmatar,do lots of things ok...but nothing spectacularly.
Pippan Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:06:00 - [42] Originally by: Super Skulls What you should be concerned about is that traveling at the speed of light would require all the energy in the universe. Actually you would only need the negative energy of some billion suns.. But since physics cant stabilize with only negative energy it cant be done =] "Nature is a banker who always gets back what is owed" So stop crying noob.
Flossing	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:10:00 - [43] How ever fast they are, they not as fast as a frenchman surrendering
Mishallia Venari Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:14:00 - [44] Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: Stubek This thread doesn't take into account navigational issues. Plowing through uncharted space at several thousand times the speed of light isn't exactly the safest pass-time in the world. To paraphrase; burrowing through the core of a star at cruise speed would end your inter-system warp right quick and in a hurry. At 7000 times the speed of light, you'd be through the star before your eyes registered brightness, to say nothing of feeling heat. Sigh. missed my point totally :( moving at 7000 times the speed of light, or 3877938120000 AU/h would mean you were so utterly awesome that a star would simply GTFO your way for fear of being annihilated. Of course this would never happen due to the Awesomeness being so high, that you would never accidentally encounter any object you didnt intend to find. Reasoning this out further, if one were to attain the theroetical maximun level of awesomeness (approx 47.36Au/s measured on and awesomometer calibrafed in a null fail field) one could simply find Jove space and all the T2 BPO's in a single trip by arbitrarilly pointing their ship in a random direction and hitting the loud pedal. Mish Got Sig?
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:17:00 - [45] Originally by: Mankirks Wife Originally by: Manisk Edited by: Manisk on 09/12/2008 21:16:48 "few theories that are nowhere near testing..." so general relativity is just a simple theory that hasn't been tested, yet we pretty much use it everywhere in our every day life (well the technology we use does)... Relativity is only a theory. Same as evolution and gravity and many other things. The level of ignorance about the definition of the word theory is disturbing. A theory is an idea that's been tested thoroughly in an effort to disproove it, and the effort failed. For the layman, a tested theory is as good as fact. Its not to say that theories aren't proven wrong with better information, but that's the beauty of science, its not dogma, so when better data comes in, there's nothing wrong with revising the theory with further testing. Too many people tie the word "fact" with "theory", the connotation of being considered a "fact" means that the idea is absolute, etched in stone, never to be questioned. "Facts" are very rare things, because so little in the world is so well known as to be beyond further question. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
Mishallia Venari Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:22:00 - [46] Edited by: Mishallia Venari on 10/12/2008 14:23:17 Fact, there will be down time Theory, The server will be back up on time Skeptisism, not believing that theory. Optimism, Poasting a thread now saying 'INCOMPATIBLE PROTOCOL, OMG OMG the sky if falling' Mish Edit : dyslexic fingers Got Sig?
Flossing	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:23:00 - [47] Too many people tie the word "fact" with "theory", the connotation of being considered a "fact" means that the idea is absolute, etched in stone, never to be questioned. Nice to know all those grave stones are fact.
Mankirks Wife Caldari Space Furry Association	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:35:00 - [48] Originally by: Janu Hull blah blah blah Why go to all that trouble when you can just say "God did it" and stop thinking? --- Originally by: tarin adur Also, cuz Sporks are like minmatar,do lots of things ok...but nothing spectacularly.
MyOwnSling Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:37:00 - [49] Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: Mankirks Wife Originally by: Manisk Edited by: Manisk on 09/12/2008 21:16:48 "few theories that are nowhere near testing..." so general relativity is just a simple theory that hasn't been tested, yet we pretty much use it everywhere in our every day life (well the technology we use does)... Relativity is only a theory. Same as evolution and gravity and many other things. The level of ignorance about the definition of the word theory is disturbing. A theory is an idea that's been tested thoroughly in an effort to disproove it, and the effort failed. For the layman, a tested theory is as good as fact. Its not to say that theories aren't proven wrong with better information, but that's the beauty of science, its not dogma, so when better data comes in, there's nothing wrong with revising the theory with further testing. Too many people tie the word "fact" with "theory", the connotation of being considered a "fact" means that the idea is absolute, etched in stone, never to be questioned. "Facts" are very rare things, because so little in the world is so well known as to be beyond further question. Thank you, I don't know how many times I have wanted to correct people on this. And just for the record, relativity was shown a long time ago (decades) and again recently to be correct through tests and observation. ------------- Stop whining. Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face... Originally by: MooKids I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
Klandi Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:43:00 - [50] Ahh Janu Facts are not as rare as you say - as a fact (or truth) occurs whenever two or more people agree on irrefutable evidence. i.e. this post is a fact cos I'm writing it and you will be reading the result. Historical facts are presented as records and these records may or may not be true (personal opinion does taint) or the records could be amended to read as the controlling party requires (books of religon prove that point) IMO The only true fact is that reality is relative and EVERYTHING can be mis-interpreted

Klandi Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:45:00 - [51] Mmmmm working on a point for that last post .....
chaotic pandemonium	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:46:00 - [52] Sigh, if you all want to base things off of relativity and newtonian physics technically most of you are wrong. As an object approaches the speed of light mass becomes infinite, length becomes nothing and time stops. To do this you would need to find a way to convert mass into pure energy. This would mean that by the time you reached light speed you would be nothing more then a light beam. For example see: http://quantumweird.wordpress.com/category/space-distortion/ yes the AU in eve is fairly accurate 93 million miles is approx 150mil km Technically speaking the engines should not create drag in space. I do not know how you create drag inside a vacuum. Also once the speed of light is reached if it were possible should take nothing to continue that velocity providing no external forces act on it. The only way this would be possible is if one could find a way to fold space. There are various wormhole theories. These would allow people to travel distances in virtually no time at all. However it would be less likely that our ships would accelerate in the manner that they do just simply enter the wormhole and pass through, which basically destroys all current understanding of relativity. This leads to more the general thoughts of string theory. Which comines the theories of quantum mechanics and relativity. Either way I really dont want to get into that. So yes eve is a very theoretical universe that has many inaccuracies. In conclusion, its a game. The rules are set for better playability and are designed to make the game more fun and challenging. So let ccp worry about their physics.
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:48:00 - [53] Originally by: Mankirks Wife Originally by: Janu Hull blah blah blah Why go to all that trouble when you can just say "God did it" and stop thinking? Because I don't need an imaginary friend formed out of the barbaric superstitions and hallucinations a pedocidal idiot named Abraham to explain the world around me. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:49:00 - [54] Originally by: MyOwnSling Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: Mankirks Wife Originally by: Manisk Edited by: Manisk on 09/12/2008 21:16:48 "few theories that are nowhere near testing..." so general relativity is just a simple theory that hasn't been tested, yet we pretty much use it everywhere in our every day life (well the technology we use does)... Relativity is only a theory. Same as evolution and gravity and many other things. The level of ignorance about the definition of the word theory is disturbing. A theory is an idea that's been tested thoroughly in an effort to disproove it, and the effort failed. For the layman, a tested theory is as good as fact. Its not to say that theories aren't proven wrong with better information, but that's the beauty of science, its not dogma, so when better data comes in, there's nothing wrong with revising the theory with further testing. Too many people tie the word "fact" with "theory", the connotation of being considered a "fact" means that the idea is absolute, etched in stone, never to be questioned. "Facts" are very rare things, because so little in the world is so well known as to be beyond further question. Thank you, I don't know how many times I have wanted to correct people on this. And just for the record, relativity was shown a long time ago (decades) and again recently to be correct through tests and observation. I was never a big believer in gravitationally induced time dilation, but its been pretty unequivocally confirmed to exist by the GPS satellite network. Their internal clocks on the satellites are just enough out of synch with ground clocks to confirm that time is moving fractionally slower on the ground than it is at their altitude. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
Boomershoot Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:50:00 - [55] Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: Mankirks Wife Originally by: Janu Hull blah blah blah Why go to all that trouble when you can just say "God did it" and stop thinking? Because I don't need an imaginary friend formed out of the barbaric superstitions and hallucinations a pedocidal idiot named Abraham to explain the world around me. This thread delivers ______________________________________________
Klandi Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:50:00 - [56] WOOT - siderailed the thread into a discussion of theology
MyOwnSling Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:50:00 - [57] Originally by: chaotic pandemonium theoretical As related to the above discussion, this should be hypothetical, not theoretical. The concept of FTL drives are not theorized to exist, just hypothesized. ------------- Stop whining. Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face... Originally by: MooKids I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.12.10 15:01:00 - [58] Considering this is all fiction, I just made myself a explanation up why interstellar travel isn't possible with the normal warp drive: The warp drive requires a gravity well to be able to keep the frictionless warp-bubble stable on course. If you get too far away from the star on 'even' space, the warp bubble will start bouncing around like a water drop on a hotplate, flinging the unfortunate ship off on a random journey into interstellar space, never to be seen again. Warp drives specifically made for interstellar travel are slow and huge. They don't use a permanent warp bubble but activate and deactivate the warp drive in high frequency, allowing a more stable warp and constant course corrections. As interstellar ships are a great investment, they don't get sent away on blind luck. Interstellar probes are used to scan out potential colonies. In opposite to the slow colony ships, the probes are flung at high warp speeds at the target star. It functions very similar to a stone skipping over water. While travel will then only take a short time, navigation is more inaccurate, resulting in the loss of quite a few probes before a hit is scored. It is theorized that a few of the missing ships in early warp space travel went beyond the event horizon of the star's gravity well and got lost in space. It may even be possible that there is a human colony on a undiscovered system somewhere far off the jump routes from one of those ships getting stranded there, though without extensive exploration we will most likely never know. Yes, I just made all this up. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Cierejai Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.10 15:29:00 - [59] Unrolling masking tape in a vacuum produces enough radiation to take X-rays.
vanBuskirk Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.10 15:41:00 - [60] Regarding warping through suns as a problem: In several places, it is stated that a ship in warp is outside real space. This is the rationale for the warp tunnel effect, and also the excuse for the fact that the warp drive will send you straight through other ships, stations and planets on your way to destination. The trouble with using the insystem warp drive to go from star to star is that it needs something to lock on to, even if that something is only a navigational bookmark. I suppose that theoretically, use of an Observator probe to give you a highly inaccurate lock on something in system might result in an aiming point for travel out of system, and this could be repeated with the use of a heck of a lot of such probes until you got close enough to the destination to lock onto something there. I'd like to see this being possible. However, it won't be for the simple reason that CCP want an area players can't get to. This is also the reason why cyno-less jumpdrives won't come in. Another reason for the latter is that it would make control of an area of space absolutely impossible. ---------------------------------------------- "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."

Spike 68 Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:39:00 - [61] omg can cut the incompetency in this thread with a knife. First of all a thorax with a mass of 1.128 X 10^7 Kg would require at least 2.42 gigawatts to warp at the required 3au/s and using the standard 15 million newtons of thrust. Applying what we have concluded about the space pudding nanofriction flux we can say with confidence that traveling at that speed would allow an internet spaceship of any mass to fly through any celestial object programed into the annihilatrix. The disruption in time can be explained by the following. Referring to the most complete literary video documents of time travel, I can conclude that it is common knowledge that when applying a summation of power over 1.21 gigawatts to a vessel with a fiberglass-stainless steal skin will cause a localized disruption in time, as long as the vessel is traveling over 39.33m/s (or 88mph) of course.
Darkeen Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:45:00 - [62] Originally by: Blastil Physics? in MY eve? This is comming from a universe that has the aproximate density of chocolate pudding, based on how fast your ships slow to a stop. Wrong. Eve has the consistency of Watery custard, not choclate pudding. Regards, Jason Brisbane
Darkeen Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:46:00 - [63] Originally by: Spike 68 omg can cut the incompetency in this thread with a knife. First of all a thorax with a mass of 1.128 X 10^7 Kg would require at least 2.42 gigawatts to warp at the required 3au/s and using the standard 15 million newtons of thrust. Applying what we have concluded about the space pudding nanofriction flux we can say with confidence that traveling at that speed would allow an internet spaceship of any mass to fly through any celestial object programed into the annihilatrix. The disruption in time can be explained by the following. Referring to the most complete literary video documents of time travel, I can conclude that it is common knowledge that when applying a summation of power over 1.21 gigawatts to a vessel with a fiberglass-stainless steal skin will cause a localized disruption in time, as long as the vessel is traveling over 39.33m/s (or 88mph) of course. ROLFMAO! You, sir, win Eve! Regards, Jason Brisbane
Pnandor	Posted - 2008.12.12 04:14:00 - [64] Do you mean something like this?


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