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Carniflex
Caldari
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.12.11 08:34:00 -
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If the 4 year claim is true then it's pretty damn bad advantage for some groups. No wonder there were T2 BPO syndicates arising over the time. It will take serious effort (and most likely considerable game mechaniks overhaul) to try to fix massive advantages offered by this exploit.
Complete POS overhaul and nuking of T2 BPO's would be good start, as while some BPO's are no doubt aquired in honest way majority of them are most likely involved in schemes with dirty exploit isk.
I'm however confident that CCP are doing their best at damage control now that the issue has been risen into focus.
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Carniflex
Caldari
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Makeme A'Billion
Isn't it funny that a big majority if not all of the people complaining here have one way or the other had or benefited from that "exploited" isk at any one time.
Also quite possibly at least half the people complaining have known/been associated with someone who was doing it.
Because come on, you cant all be so naive that you just think ONLY 3 "powerblocs" as the SHC post says knew about it.
Either way, it's being "fixed" now be good traders and benefit from it 
I would speculate that all titans in game have some taint on them. Propably most T2 BPO's that are no longer in the hands of their originial winners also. Ofc I'm a bit agitated over this - even if this does not hit me directly, as the advantage gained thru that kind of operations seems from my perspective way massive. A lot bigger effect on EVE market propably than those T20 BPO's were - there was only like 4 of them afterall.
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Carniflex
Caldari
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: Miyamoto Uroki
Yes, moon mining was introduced 4 years ago, so the guy who made this public says this bug had been ingame and working since introduction of POS system at all.
Makes me a very sad panda if true. Had a hard time earning my little isk to be able to buy me my little ships and CCP doesn't survey the big economy flows? What does this Mr. Economy professor do all day long at your company? At least admit that he is only working at ccp for a day per month...
I know a bit about the moon material markets including ferrogel, fermionic condensates and such.
Only the couple of last weeks there were stupidly low prices for these and big sales going on. Before that the market was quite stable and fixed to the dys (and to lesser degree prom).
A decoupling of price of produced items from the prices of materials need to build these items shows that something strange is going on. You can look at the market history and see that only in the recent weeks the price of those ferrogel etc. dropped heavily (and below production costs).
Also: the prices for moon materials/moon products before invention were so ridiculously low that even some dys moons were not harvested just because no one needed that stuff. So those 4 years are hugely exaggerated.
Because prices were more or less okay and coupled to the dys/prom prices until a few weeks ago I think that this bug is in game and abused since the alchemy introduction.
What I wonder is why no one from economic department noticed anything. They surely have numbers about production and consumption?
Also: can the economic department at least give now the numbers of pre- and post-alchemy production of ferrogel etc. Compared with usage of dys and usage of the dys-substitutes?
Better they do the basic stuff first instead of some fancy trends and correlations and what now. Just plain old production and consumption numbers, please.
The 'issue' was most likley not that bad before invention, bcos production was capped by the amount of T2 BPO's - However - it might have provided the exploiters needed initial capital to start T2 Syndicate by using those funds to buy additional T2 BPO's from the winners of lottery.
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Carniflex
Caldari
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:47:00 -
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/me pokes stuff with pitchfork
Let's lynch the T2 BPO's !! No, Really ! It would be free market! Oh and few public bannings of most vocal trolls perhaps also. People love a good show.
In more serious note I'm sure CCP Inqusitors are already rattling their rusty tools. Give em some time, as it's propably hard to understand the mumblings of the stuff their attention is focused on.
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Carniflex
Caldari
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:31:00 -
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/me rattles pitchfork
Errr... Burn The T2 BPO's? I'm feeling it in my bones - they were involved in shady schemes of printing isk while all the rest had to do the hard work for their everyday isk.
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Carniflex
Caldari
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.12.12 08:41:00 -
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Even if this was 4 years old exploit it's effect on market before invention was bound to be relatively low, bcos bottleneck was the amount of T2 BPO's not the amount of raw materials available. However, it's quite likely, that if people exploited it that far back, plus happened to get lucky enough to get T2 BPO it might have given them enough edge over legimate T2 BPO ownders to buy up more BPO's faster than legimate guys.
so *drumroll*
Let us do something bad to T2 BPO's ?
As far as banning the guys responsible go I do not think this campaign will get the real culprits. Yeah - perhaps few who were stupid enough, but most serious ones would have been counting on that happening and prepared. You know, faked corps thefts, fake scams and stockpiles on accounts that have done fake ragequits over the time. Perhaps significant enough asset piles on some trial account, waiting for doomsday to be activated month later and buy character for 'fresh start'.
So - when I look today at the wealthy and powerful on this game tought crosses my mind if I'm looking at a cheater ? Not all of them can be that I'm sure, but how can I tell the difference ?
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