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moppinator Caldari AMT. Ev0ke	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:13:00 - [1] Edited by: moppinator on 12/12/2008 01:14:18 Edited by: moppinator on 12/12/2008 01:13:55 In order to clarify the involvement of Ev0ke in the recently uncovered pos mechanics exploit we herby release our official statement to set the record straight. As you might have already heard from various sources we had several accounts banned for reasons of EULA violation. Some of the individuals in question have confessed to us that they in fact did engage in such and that those bans are a direct result from it. We were just as surprised to learn about the utterly flawed game mechanics as you propably have been and downright enraged that members of our own alliance took advantage of it. It is important for us to point out that the vast majority of our membership was unaware of the existance of such an exploit, let alone that someone from our midst would utilize it. Further on it is important to note that not all members who had their accounts banned were directly involved, at least they didn't consciously support it. CCP's investigation of that matter is still ongoing and we believe that time will tell who can be considered innocent and who not. Still we want to apologize to the whole EvE Online Community for our failure at discovering the actions of that group of former members ourselves. They have fooled and disappointed us even more than they did you. regards
Morris Falter Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:14:00 - [2] Edited by: Morris Falter on 12/12/2008 01:20:14 Some context.
Sacul Gallente Wreckless Abandon G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:14:00 - [3] Edited by: Sacul on 12/12/2008 01:15:29 Nice one to fess up mate. Could u tell us if the individuals did it for their own or did Tom McCash also lose his Titan?
Athena Attom Gallente Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:14:00 - [4] Edited by: Athena Attom on 12/12/2008 01:16:45 **** morris first was mine! edit confirm who else was banned mr evokian! Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Minigin Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:16:00 - [5] props . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
Nick Curso Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:16:00 - [6] First page on the ultimate drama bomb
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Sangre Azul	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:19:00 - [7] Good to see people who can take it on the chin.
Afale II Caldari Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:19:00 - [8] Edited by: Afale II on 12/12/2008 01:21:42 Edited by: Afale II on 12/12/2008 01:19:32 8 th god damnit wasn't that bad now give waffles for everyone!
Jack Sparroxx Gallente Honour Bound Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:22:00 - [9] Tom McCash have been online to night.. so I doubt he is banned yet.. but time will tell how far this extends
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:22:00 - [10] Just like others in alliances that were exposed of cheating, Ev0ke will forever be labeled as cheaters regardless if majority of your membership did not know about it. It might not be fair, but that's how it is in EVE. Apology rejected.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Sangre Azul	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:25:00 - [11] Originally by: Moonlight Express Just like others in alliances that were exposed of cheating, Ev0ke will forever be labeled as cheaters regardless if majority of your membership did not know about it. It might not be fair, but that's how it is in EVE. Apology rejected. Disagree. Some like labels, others have a brain.
Astasia Orian Minmatar Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:25:00 - [12] lol how did we spank G so badly in fountain when they had infinite money? :(
Aceoil Caldari Eyes of the Night Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:25:00 - [13] A few bad apples dont ruin a whole tree of good apples. mmmm, Got any apple pie?
Norwood Franskly Minmatar Fleet of the Damned Dark Trinity Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:26:00 - [14] Edited by: Norwood Franskly on 12/12/2008 01:26:57 To play devil's advocates here, how could you Alliance directors etc not notice or be suspicious of the amount of isk that was coming in from the exploit? Surely someone must have noticed something didn't add up. Especially if it had been going on since 2005.
Ackaroth Gallente Plundering Penguins	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:26:00 - [15] Just like the rest of CAOD, I agree that moonlight is a tool. Plundering Penguins is recruiting PVP pilots. See Recruitment Thread for details.
Draconian Arcane Minmatar Praetorian BlackGuard Frater Adhuc Excessum	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:26:00 - [16] Originally by: moppinator Edited by: moppinator on 12/12/2008 01:14:18 Edited by: moppinator on 12/12/2008 01:13:55 In order to clarify the involvement of Ev0ke in the recently uncovered pos mechanics exploit we herby release our official statement to set the record straight. As you might have already heard from various sources we had several accounts banned for reasons of EULA violation. Some of the individuals in question have confessed to us that they in fact did engage in such and that those bans are a direct result from it. We were just as surprised to learn about the utterly flawed game mechanics as you propably have been and downright enraged that members of our own alliance took advantage of it. It is important for us to point out that the vast majority of our membership was unaware of the existance of such an exploit, let alone that someone from our midst would utilize it. Further on it is important to note that not all members who had their accounts banned were directly involved, at least they didn't consciously support it. CCP's investigation of that matter is still ongoing and we believe that time will tell who can be considered innocent and who not. Still we want to apologize to the whole EvE Online Community for our failure at discovering the actions of that group of former members ourselves. They have fooled and disappointed us even more than they did you. regards Thank you for the apology and I wish your alliance luck in recovering from such a situation as this. Hopefully those others that were involved come clean.
Ackaroth Gallente Plundering Penguins	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:28:00 - [17] Originally by: Norwood Franskly To play devil's advocates here, how could you Alliance directors etc not notice or be suspicious of the amount of isk that was coming in from the exploit? Sure someone must have noticed something didn't add up. Especially if it had been going on since 2005. Pos mining isnt a taxable thing. If these players were just "nice guys" and would throw a few spare ships at their corpmates every now and again, no one would be the wiser. I know plenty of players who have way too much fuggin isk, and actually get it legitimately. Everyone knows people like that I'm sure. Plundering Penguins is recruiting PVP pilots. See Recruitment Thread for details.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Sangre Azul	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:28:00 - [18] Originally by: Norwood Franskly To play devil's advocates here, how could you Alliance directors etc not notice or be suspicious of the amount of isk that was coming in from the exploit? Sure someone must have noticed something didn't add up. Especially if it had been going on since 2005. That goes on the assumption that the generated isk from sales went to benefit the alliance directly. That's for CCP to determine at this point; if it isn't the case, then how the directors could be any the wiser for it, I don't know.
thoth foc Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:28:00 - [19] Given how your allies have acted in the past over such things, i'll be interested in how this turns out.. props for trying to take it on the chin anyway.. it was known already.. but well.. mueh ------------------ x-DSMA (Menta) x-CA (OMEGA/BOS) x-.5.(ATUK) BOB (DICE)
Bobby Atlas Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:29:00 - [20] class act, well said.
Monkey Saturday Gallente Unknown Soldiers Soldiers Of New Eve	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:32:00 - [21] wtb ferrogel good price convo ingame Thanks for the Maulus BPO nerf! :D
Carebear Eyes Minmatar Rifters of Doom	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:32:00 - [22] Edited by: Carebear Eyes on 12/12/2008 01:32:56 What do the military experts say? real edit: Happy Christmas!
Popperr Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:33:00 - [23] all i read was dyspro dyspro dyspro dyspro dyspro dyspro
Norwood Franskly Minmatar Fleet of the Damned Dark Trinity Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:34:00 - [24] Originally by: Ackaroth Originally by: Norwood Franskly To play devil's advocates here, how could you Alliance directors etc not notice or be suspicious of the amount of isk that was coming in from the exploit? Sure someone must have noticed something didn't add up. Especially if it had been going on since 2005. Pos mining isnt a taxable thing. If these players were just "nice guys" and would throw a few spare ships at their corpmates every now and again, no one would be the wiser. I know plenty of players who have way too much fuggin isk, and actually get it legitimately. Everyone knows people like that I'm sure. Makes sense then, unfortunate that people were able to abuse this for as long as they did.
harry beanbag Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:39:00 - [25] An alliance as a whole cannot be held responsible for the unknown actions of a few of its members. There are many fine pilots in Evoke and i dont believe these actions should taint the name of your alliance.
Slade Trillgon Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:46:00 - [26] Yes, thank you for the apology. I was already in the thought that this was how it happened. Take that as you all may. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Dal Thrax Caldari Multiverse Corporation Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:47:00 - [27] Originally by: Norwood Franskly Edited by: Norwood Franskly on 12/12/2008 01:26:57 To play devil's advocates here, how could you Alliance directors etc not notice or be suspicious of the amount of isk that was coming in from the exploit? Surely someone must have noticed something didn't add up. Especially if it had been going on since 2005. TBH I can see it. Invention caused the price of high end reactions to increase by 10x if not 100x (I seem to remember Dyspo at 3000/unit at one point). Back in the T2 BPO days most component sales where handled off the market by agreement between the BPO holder and the manufacturer of the minerals. The real problem is it sounds like we might have lost 1/2 or more of the ferrogel supply. T2 prices may double over the next couple of weeks.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Sangre Azul	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:53:00 - [28] Just thinking, but isn't ferrogel used primarily in the manufacture of reactors... which is primarily used in ships? So perhaps we're just looking at price increases for T2 ships, and not so much for T2 mods? I'm not a producer, so my info on this isn't exactly ironclad.
JuGGeR Caldari Phantom Squad Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:54:00 - [29] nice to have some 1 inform others on what went on there , gl with getting the alliance back on its feet .. ccp plz leek more info... Phantomsquad
Haakelen Gallente Cassandra's Light Caeruleum Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.12 01:59:00 - [30] Good on you for admitting it, but it won't do much good. Lots of one-track minds here. But if they managed to do this under the radar, I wonder how many corpthieves you have...
Viper ShizzIe Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.12.12 02:01:00 - [31] Let's see if Eddz will have the balls to do this too.
leboe Gallente Dark Star Cartel Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2008.12.12 02:03:00 - [32] Originally by: Viper **zIe Let's see if Eddz will have the balls to do this too. Controversy!
Afale II Caldari Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.12 02:07:00 - [33] Originally by: Viper **zIe Let's see if Eddz will have the balls to do this too. tinfoil
Nick Curso Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.12.12 02:10:00 - [34] Originally by: Viper **zIe Let's see if Eddz will have the balls to do this too. Do tell.
Viper ShizzIe Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.12.12 02:16:00 - [35] [16:12] <> so evoke just confirmed it was KIA [16:13] <> aswell [16:13] <> LOL [16:13] <> bahaha [16:13] <> eddz down [16:13] <> no apparently [16:13] <> they changed all their pos fits [16:13] <> before this hit
Afale II Caldari Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.12 02:19:00 - [36] Edited by: Afale II on 12/12/2008 02:19:43 Originally by: Viper **zIe [16:12] <> so evoke just confirmed it was KIA [16:13] <> aswell [16:13] <> LOL [16:13] <> bahaha [16:13] <> eddz down [16:13] <> no apparently [16:13] <> they changed all their pos fits [16:13] <> before this hit that's enough proof where is the inquisitor?
Onionico Gallente Slacker Industries	Posted - 2008.12.12 02:42:00 - [37] tbh if this was an exploit available to anyone, i'm fairly sure anyone who realized it would have used it for profit. I know I would have. Ban a few peeps, fix the problem, but please god no witch hunt. The game barely survived the first one :P Stop being ****ers, you'dve done the same.
Helen Amarr coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.12.12 02:46:00 - [38] And I thought the drama was all in TRI at the moment.
Han Lector Amarr R.U.S.T. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.12.12 03:51:00 - [39] Yes, I was the first one to call KIA best alliance in EVE !
Pettu Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.12.12 04:03:00 - [40] Originally by: Helen And I thought the drama was all in TRI at the moment. What, we have drama ? ----
Manfred Sideous Amarr H A V O C Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.12.12 04:17:00 - [41] o/ Evoke <3 *****break ______________________________
Milkman Dani Gallente RuffRyders Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.12 04:36:00 - [42] Topic is boring now, lock it.
Schwermetall Amarr Bad Passion	Posted - 2008.12.12 05:07:00 - [43] Edited by: Schwermetall on 12/12/2008 05:07:09 Originally by: Moonlight Express Just like others in alliances that were exposed of cheating, Ev0ke will forever be labeled as cheaters regardless if majority of your membership did not know about it. It might not be fair, but that's how it is in EVE. Apology rejected. No. F*ck you! GJ ev0ke, german rascals o7 Also, lol if KIA is the other alliance. ______________________
Tobin Shalim Caldari Vulcan Foundry OPUS Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.12 06:53:00 - [44] Good job on admitting to it. Bad in that you profited from it (if you did). Frankly, I think your entire alliance wallet should be emptied, all POS's destroyed, and the alliance itself disbanded (throw in all assets repo'd for good measure). There is really no way of knowing if what you say that noone in the upper alliance knew about this or not, aside from your own word. And admitting to cheating within your own alliance doesn't look good for you, even if you deny knowledge/action of it all you want, simply because you're now associate with it, and the playerbase of Eve really doesn't know for sure if you did profit off of these guys or not. Guilt and destruction by association (and yes, I'd say the exact same thing for my corp/alliance if something like this came to light). ----- Originally by: Haakkon I feel a great deal of patriotism at being a part of Goonswarm. We've accomplished great things... we're just mainly jerks about it
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.12.12 07:10:00 - [45] Originally by: Morris Falter Edited by: Morris Falter on 12/12/2008 01:20:14 Some context. What sh!t do you try to stir up??? The stuff you quote is available at eve-search, so why don't you give the link there? Then you will see that the post in question comes directly from SHIP-REIMBURSMENT context and has NOTHING to do with pos reaction! Since I suppose you know these facts Morris Falter, I can only assume that you try to stir up something against CCP on purpose. Are these ASW cheaters your friends and do you try a smear campaign against CCP now? Or did you even profit directly from ASW and their money? Or are you just plain stupid and cannot read a thread and spread bad rumours around trying to look important? I question your integrity.
WShatner Minmatar THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2008.12.12 07:20:00 - [46] Well, he's AAA so there's your answer.
Adeptus mecanicus Caldari The Flaming Sideburn's Sons-Of-Anarchy	Posted - 2008.12.12 07:40:00 - [47] i remeber a ex member of ours was swearing about ferrogel prices in 2006.......guess we got the feedback on why Grunt's Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity.
sakana Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.12.12 07:50:00 - [48] Originally by: Morris Falter Edited by: Morris Falter on 12/12/2008 01:20:14 Some context. man ccp are such a terrible company /o\
Loike Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.12.12 08:00:00 - [49] How many, if any, of the t2 bpo hoard that some of the corps in ev0ke have were funded by this (bought)? Nice to see you confess however, and I feel sorry that you were let down by your own alliance mates.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.12.12 08:04:00 - [50] Originally by: sakana Originally by: Morris Falter Edited by: Morris Falter on 12/12/2008 01:20:14 Some context. man ccp are such a terrible company /o\ Sorry to pull you back onto the ground of solid facts. That post mentioned was about SHIPS REIMBURSEMENT because people lost ships inside pos. People could target from the outside (passive targetter, anyone?) and then shoot through the pos shields. THAT is the topic about. That's why the post mentions that "corp suffered from POS exploit" and not something like 'corp gained from pos exploit'. That post has NOTHING to do with pos reactions and moon materials AT ALL! Capiche?
Himo Amasacia Minmatar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.12.12 08:28:00 - [51] Edited by: Himo Amasacia on 12/12/2008 08:36:59 Originally by: Gnulpie Originally by: sakana Originally by: Morris Falter Edited by: Morris Falter on 12/12/2008 01:20:14 Some context. man ccp are such a terrible company /o\ Sorry to pull you back onto the ground of solid facts. That post mentioned was about SHIPS REIMBURSEMENT because people lost ships inside pos. People could target from the outside (passive targetter, anyone?) and then shoot through the pos shields. THAT is the topic about. That's why the post mentions that "corp suffered from POS exploit" and not something like 'corp gained from pos exploit'. That post has NOTHING to do with pos reactions and moon materials AT ALL! Capiche? Which is why they posted an image rather than a link to the actual post on eve search, no doubt. Because an image cannot be easily traced or its text contents searched for easily. To Evoke. Sorry to hear you got tarred with this. Don't worry you will recover from it. Originally by: Viper **zIe Edited by: Viper **zIe on 12/12/2008 02:19:27 Originally by: Maltroc In the same system we are in ,another allianze had a secret But now they have changed the posfitting quickly. And nobody banned. Couple hours later: [16:12] <B> so evoke just confirmed it was KIA [16:13] <B> aswell [16:13] <M> LOL [16:13] <M> bahaha [16:13] <M> eddz down [16:13] <B> no apparently [16:13] <B> they changed all their pos fits [16:13] <B> before this hit EDIT: Added a bit of clarity and cleaned up the logs. Which would really indicate that people were warned about or otherwise got wind that their little scam was unraveling and bans were coming down the tracks ahead of time, and had time to reset their Poses. So the lack of bannage for people might not be what it appears. Good to see things are still the same old story. "Constant practice devoted to one subject often outdoes both intelligence and skill." -Cicero
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core	Posted - 2008.12.12 08:31:00 - [52] Originally by: Morris Falter Edited by: Morris Falter on 12/12/2008 01:20:14 Some context. well if this is true. CCP failed epicly. www.garia.net
Faekurias Caldari Black Legion Command Black Legion.	Posted - 2008.12.12 09:07:00 - [53] ITT : morris fails, goons gain moral high-ground, KIA- tries to evade ban and seemingly gets away with it AND op is a honorable fella . ------------------ Recruiting..
Morris Falter Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.12.12 09:38:00 - [54] Originally by: Faekurias ITT : morris fails, goons gain moral high-ground, KIA- tries to evade ban and seemingly gets away with it AND op is a honorable fella . That's about right. /o\
Malcanis Caldari R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2008.12.12 09:45:00 - [55] Originally by: Astasia Orian lol how did we spank G so badly in fountain when they had infinite money? :( Using cheap Sabres?
JeepersCreepers Caldari Deep Space Exploration Squad	Posted - 2008.12.12 09:48:00 - [56] CHANGE WE NEED!!! 100isk for everything and GTC for free! and CCP give us our money back to stimulate the real life economy... thnx for the apologize but a gtc would be nicer...
Aeon Yakati Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.12.12 09:58:00 - [57] Ban BoB!
KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.12 10:06:00 - [58] I personally, and no other KIA Corp member as far as I know, has ever been involved in the POS exploit in any way. Nor has any KIA alt corp, KIA alt members, etc. If it turns out that a member of KIA Alliance has been, they will be booted immediately, but thus far, it seems that we are clean, with no reports of bans, and nothing but rippling laughter for those taht have been on our forums. Tbh, we are a fkin poor Alliance, i am 100% sure KIA corp has never been involved, and pretty sure no KIA member corp has been. Our pos have never been setup to do this, we haven't recently changed configuration etc. We in fact knew nothing about this bug. Afaik we aren't under investigation in any way, but if we are I know for sure that CCP will find no evidence of wrong doing, as we have never done anythign wrong, catergorically ever. We do it the hard way. Fk those that chose the easy way, you're getting what you deserve. KIA EVE Home KIA in game Public Channel "KIA" KIA are Currently recruiting active PvP minded players. Contact Imperius Blackheart
Kuolematon Caldari Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.12.12 10:10:00 - [59] As the Official Finnish Community Person, I hereby state officially that most loveable and best FW corporation, PERVS did not take part of this scam. Thank you. "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Faekurias Caldari Black Legion Command Black Legion.	Posted - 2008.12.12 10:13:00 - [60] fair enough eddz, hope it won't touch you then + I agree . BANZOR THEM ALL! ------------------ Recruiting..
Tholarim Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.12.12 10:13:00 - [61] Originally by: Afale II Edited by: Afale II on 12/12/2008 02:19:43 Originally by: Viper **zIe [16:12] <> so evoke just confirmed it was KIA [16:13] <> aswell [16:13] <> LOL [16:13] <> bahaha [16:13] <> eddz down [16:13] <> no apparently [16:13] <> they changed all their pos fits [16:13] <> before this hit that's enough proof where is the inquisitor? Yeh i heard about a thread on RZR forums about molle apparently being banned to!
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.12.12 10:21:00 - [62] Were any of the banned members involved in organizing or funding the alliance tournament teams of ev0ke? If that were the case, it would fit the alliance to destroy the medals and lay off the victory. - -
Athena Attom Gallente Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.12.12 10:24:00 - [63] Originally by: Tholarim Originally by: Afale II Edited by: Afale II on 12/12/2008 02:19:43 Originally by: Viper **zIe [16:12] <> so evoke just confirmed it was KIA [16:13] <> aswell [16:13] <> LOL [16:13] <> bahaha [16:13] <> eddz down [16:13] <> no apparently [16:13] <> they changed all their pos fits [16:13] <> before this hit that's enough proof where is the inquisitor? Yeh i heard about a thread on RZR forums about molle apparently being banned to! Yeah I have reason to believe molle is the main man behind this exploit that is why Shrikes character history has been erased just look ingame if you dont believe me!! Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Shadoo Gallente North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.12.12 10:32:00 - [64] Originally by: Tholarim Yeh i heard about a thread on RZR forums about molle apparently being banned to! Someone on our joined pl/sot lawl-op last night felt it appropriate to confidently claim on TS that whole Evolution corp has been closed "FOR CERTAIN" and shows as such in-game. When lolled at, he went on instead to say "Shrike's been banned FOR SURE anyway" amongs much amusement. You guys are pretty good at spreading those false rumours nowadays I must admit . Shame I didn't catch the name for griefing .
Avan Strega Minmatar Infusion.	Posted - 2008.12.12 10:45:00 - [65] Originally by: KIAEddZ Tbh, we are a fkin poor Alliance taking quote out of context here for lols
Shpuntik Minmatar Invicta. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.12.12 10:53:00 - [66] Edited by: Shpuntik on 12/12/2008 10:53:20 Originally by: Moonlight Express Just like others in alliances that were exposed of cheating, Ev0ke will forever be labeled as cheaters regardless if majority of your membership did not know about it. It might not be fair, but that's how it is in EVE. Apology rejected. Thats the small minded attitude that EVE doesn't need they have said sorry so deal with it its just a game. People who are in evoke had no idea this was going on and they will end up taking alot of stick for it which is unfair on there part. To Evoke sorry that because of action of a few it has hit you hard was looking forward to the CR Ops we had going :( ---InViCtA---
SentryRaven Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.12 10:53:00 - [67] Originally by: Avan Strega Originally by: KIAEddZ Tbh, we are a fkin poor Alliance taking quote out of context here for lols ****, even I found that funny now... Out of context FTW. :) -------- EBANK Forum Manager
Nicholas Barker Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.12.12 11:40:00 - [68] Originally by: KIAEddZ I personally, and no other KIA Corp member as far as I know, has ever been involved in the POS exploit in any way. ------
Daviclond Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.12.12 11:41:00 - [69] Originally by: Gnulpie What sh!t do you try to stir up??? The stuff you quote is available at eve-search, so why don't you give the link there? Then you will see that the post in question comes directly from SHIP-REIMBURSMENT context and has NOTHING to do with pos reaction! Since I suppose you know these facts Morris Falter, I can only assume that you try to stir up something against CCP on purpose. Are these ASW cheaters your friends and do you try a smear campaign against CCP now? Or did you even profit directly from ASW and their money? Or are you just plain stupid and cannot read a thread and spread bad rumours around trying to look important? I question your integrity. if you have such limited command of the english language that you rely on capitlisation for emphasis rather word choice, pacing and syntax you should probably go drown yourself in a lake
Blancanieves Caldari Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.12.12 11:56:00 - [70] Originally by: Astasia Orian lol how did we spank G so badly in fountain when they had infinite money? :( LOL that sounds like another confession to me :) -
Torhas Gallente the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2008.12.12 12:00:00 - [71] Originally by: Astasia Orian lol how did we spank G so badly in fountain when they had infinite money? :( Because you had infinite money too c/d ?
Lockheed19 Gallente Eve Defence Force Resurgency	Posted - 2008.12.12 12:10:00 - [72] Originally by: Moonlight Express Just like others in alliances that were exposed of cheating, Ev0ke will forever be labeled as cheaters regardless if majority of your membership did not know about it. It might not be fair, but that's how it is in EVE. Unfortunately, I have to agree. But it's not the inevitable shallowness of those too immature to treat the situation logically, rather they point the finger en masse as they pursue the standard cowardly route of blaming all for the sins of a few. Quote: Apology rejected. Unfortunately I have to disagree. The man posted an apology on behalf of several people who have effectively, cast a long shadow over the integrity of all his corporation. Fair play to him. I'd accept his apology. I suggest you wriggle back under your rock of ignorance and plan your next excursion to a garden buildings centre resplendent with obligagtory stones.
Cippalippus Primus Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.12.12 12:11:00 - [73] Originally by: Nicholas Barker Originally by: KIAEddZ I personally, and no other KIA Corp member as far as I know, has ever been involved in the POS exploit in any way. We can say in eddz's defense, that the POS exploit was dressed provocatively. -clp
darth solo Caldari Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2008.12.12 12:44:00 - [74] Im just a little hacked off that iv been trying to compete with ppl that have cheated for years tbh. always wondered why so many of you were able to afford all the toys and prolong the wars while my lads have had to work like bears. anyways. i picked a good time to move away from 0.0 alliance stuff it seems, I dont think ill ever really trust CCP to make this game fair. d solo.
gordon cain Minmatar x13 X13 Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.12 13:01:00 - [75] "I swear we didnt know anything was wrong. Its absolutely normal when running non-dyspo posses to have an income of 70 billion a month" f'ing cheaters... Gordon Cain Never argue with idiots, they will just drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience.
Kerosene Caldari Emergent Chaos	Posted - 2008.12.12 13:05:00 - [76] Originally by: darth solo Im just a little hacked off that iv been trying to compete with ppl that have cheated for years tbh. always wondered why so many of you were able to afford all the toys and prolong the wars while my lads have had to work like bears. anyways. i picked a good time to move away from 0.0 alliance stuff it seems, I dont think ill ever really trust CCP to make this game fair. d solo. I agree with this post 100%. It does kinda take the gloss off... :( __ Eve. Eve eve eve eve. EVE. Eve. Eve eve eve eve eve eve EVE eve eve. - Kerosene The way to stop isk farmers is to STOP BUYING ISK.
Sylar McIntyr Caldari Konstrukteure der Zukunft DOMINION.	Posted - 2008.12.12 13:11:00 - [77] Edited by: Sylar McIntyr on 12/12/2008 13:11:34 So we have a bunch of victims that lost their reputation: 1. Ev0ke 2. MH (???) 3. pack off unimportant cheaters 4. CCP Excuses? None. But at least ev0ke is showing some backbone and gives a statment. Won¦t save your face now but perhaps you can live up to your old reputation in a year or so. Meanwhile you hopefully can focus on your old values. ninjaedit: damn spelling ________________________________________________ Making space dangerous again !
Caterpillar Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2008.12.12 13:20:00 - [78] For the conspiracy theorists out there, I wonder if CCP are investigating the possibility that this "bug" was planted deliberately all those years ago, as a sort of "Easter Egg", to facilitate rapid wealth generation for those in the know. Over time, peeps not intended to know about the bug might have stumbled across it or a loose tongue might have dropped the relevant information. Could this explain why it wasn't acted upon when reported? Even more scarey, could the players who exploited this from the start be still in game, the accounts banned being the ones who weren't supposed to benefit. I don't think for a minute that CCP as an organisation would be capable of such a thing, but the fact that there are CCP employees who play EVE will not make it easy for the possibility of this being true to be ruled out. OK, so I have a vivid imagination, but an interesting theory all the same and I honestly hope one that CCP can disprove very rapidly as a result of their investigations. "Grassy Knoll" anyone?
Swamp Ziro Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.12.12 13:32:00 - [79] Originally by: Astasia Orian lol how did we spank G so badly in fountain when they had infinite money? :( why don't you tell us? BOB are the leading experts in losing wars despite having unfair advantages. Sig locked, please mail [email protected] with a new sig to be considered for use - Mitnal.
O Thief Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.12 13:32:00 - [80] The notion that Evoke directors did not notice dozens of large reaction POS and approx 80bn ISK a month of income is simply not credible. I don't believe the OP, simple as that.
LoveKebab Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.12.12 13:36:00 - [81] Edited by: LoveKebab on 12/12/2008 13:37:42 Originally by: Tholarim Originally by: Afale II Edited by: Afale II on 12/12/2008 02:19:43 Originally by: Viper **zIe [16:12] <> so evoke just confirmed it was KIA [16:13] <> aswell [16:13] <> LOL [16:13] <> bahaha [16:13] <> eddz down [16:13] <> no apparently [16:13] <> they changed all their pos fits [16:13] <> before this hit that's enough proof where is the inquisitor? Yeh i heard about a thread on RZR forums about molle apparently being banned to! fred0 is always telling ** man, last time i heard TRI was also involved but i stoped listening to what he says the day i left rzr every1 who stand against NC combined forces for more than 3 days has to cheat... **, i personally type "give all" durning loading screen to multiply my isk by x2
Eleese Caldari Rage of Inferno	Posted - 2008.12.12 13:48:00 - [82] Originally by: O Thief The notion that Evoke directors did not notice dozens of large reaction POS and approx 80bn ISK a month of income is simply not credible. I don't believe the OP, simple as that. Bit that amazes me is that ccp recently released new content (alchemy thingy) to change low end moon mins into higher ends because theres a huge problem of high prices and lack of supply of them. To establish this was a problem and come up with a solution that does balance the problem they must have done some research to work out roughly how much more would be needed and the effect this would have of the supply of high end moon minerals. How did they not realise that there was many times more reactions being made than moon minerals being mined. That is far harder to believe than evoke not realizing where the isk was coming from. I mean they were specifically trying to fix an issue that was being effected by this exploit... the fact the problem they were solving would probably be worse without the exploit is just amusing.

CCP Navigator Minmatar C C P	Posted - 2008.12.12 13:55:00 - [83] Please keep the thread on topic'. Accussing other players, corporations or alliances of cheating based on hearsay, speculation or just "this is what I think" is not permitted and may result in a warning or ban. Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Games, Email / Netfang

Atropos Kahn Caldari Solarflare Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.12.12 14:08:00 - [84] Carebear Drama... It's like watching a girl fight...
Shaemell Buttleson Minmatar Euphoria Released	Posted - 2008.12.12 14:20:00 - [85] Originally by: Kerosene Originally by: darth solo Im just a little hacked off that iv been trying to compete with ppl that have cheated for years tbh. always wondered why so many of you were able to afford all the toys and prolong the wars while my lads have had to work like bears. anyways. i picked a good time to move away from 0.0 alliance stuff it seems, I dont think ill ever really trust CCP to make this game fair. d solo. I agree with this post 100%. It does kinda take the gloss off... :( On the other hand since PPl have been able to cope, fight and still do well gives you something to be proud of. Take it as a compliment these ***s need to cheat to get one over you. They are **ers though all the same!
Wesley Baird Caldari BURN EDEN Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.12.12 14:30:00 - [86] Originally by: Atropos Kahn Carebear Drama... It's like watching a girl fight... Hardly carebear drama, depending on the amounts involved and on the corps involved its very much a pvp drama...who knows how many titans and capital ships this exploit funded...
Afale II Caldari Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.12 14:43:00 - [87] Originally by: Wesley Baird Originally by: Atropos Kahn Carebear Drama... It's like watching a girl fight... Hardly carebear drama, depending on the amounts involved and on the corps involved its very much a pvp drama...who knows how many titans and capital ships this exploit funded... all of them, just ban all those Titans already
Ace Frehley Minmatar The Movement	Posted - 2008.12.12 15:21:00 - [88] So this has been goin on since when? 2005 2006 or what? I havent really looked up, BUT YOU, tellin me that the leadership had no clue about this, and it has been goin on for 3 years? Yeah, really wanna expect me to belive that..... Why would you risk having them in your alliance if it wouldnt profit you aswell? Drop the smoke. More true story is like: Leadership: Oki keep doin it, give a small share to the corp/alliance, keep rest for youself, if get cought, the blame goes all on you and we say we dident know a jack.... That statement was worse then the Schwazerneeger staement like "close the border" signature is not EVE related, please change. ~WeatherMan
Cardinal Harvest Minmatar Steel Battalion Bionic Dawn	Posted - 2008.12.12 15:24:00 - [89] Originally by: moppinator Edited by: moppinator on 12/12/2008 01:14:18 Edited by: moppinator on 12/12/2008 01:13:55 In order to clarify the involvement of Ev0ke in the recently uncovered pos mechanics exploit we herby release our official statement to set the record straight. As you might have already heard from various sources we had several accounts banned for reasons of EULA violation. Some of the individuals in question have confessed to us that they in fact did engage in such and that those bans are a direct result from it. We were just as surprised to learn about the utterly flawed game mechanics as you propably have been and downright enraged that members of our own alliance took advantage of it. It is important for us to point out that the vast majority of our membership was unaware of the existance of such an exploit, let alone that someone from our midst would utilize it. Further on it is important to note that not all members who had their accounts banned were directly involved, at least they didn't consciously support it. CCP's investigation of that matter is still ongoing and we believe that time will tell who can be considered innocent and who not. Still we want to apologize to the whole EvE Online Community for our failure at discovering the actions of that group of former members ourselves. They have fooled and disappointed us even more than they did you. regards I dont want to be rude or anything, you know but... **** YOU very much.
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.12.12 15:35:00 - [90] Edited by: Janu Hull on 12/12/2008 15:38:54 Originally by: Eleese Originally by: O Thief The notion that Evoke directors did not notice dozens of large reaction POS and approx 80bn ISK a month of income is simply not credible. I don't believe the OP, simple as that. Bit that amazes me is that ccp recently released new content (alchemy thingy) to change low end moon mins into higher ends because theres a huge problem of high prices and lack of supply of them. To establish this was a problem and come up with a solution that does balance the problem they must have done some research to work out roughly how much more would be needed and the effect this would have of the supply of high end moon minerals. How did they not realise that there was many times more reactions being made than moon minerals being mined. That is far harder to believe than evoke not realizing where the isk was coming from. I mean they were specifically trying to fix an issue that was being effected by this exploit... the fact the problem they were solving would probably be worse without the exploit is just amusing. CCP missed it on two counts. One, its probably more data than a team of statistics experts can handle. Simple overload and focused efforts elsewhere (ISK farmers) likely kept them from looking too closely at what could be assumed to be players once again exceeding expectations for production. Secondly, it might just be information they weren't actively monitoring, since the usual issues with economics begins and ends at the actual currency level. As far as the alliance leaderships go, your average PvP pilot in an alliance (the type who tend to also be the leaders of those PvP alliances) knows ** all about industry beyond "it generates ISK to buy me ships so I can pewpew". Most of them can't be arsed with it because of the "carebear" stigma. So as long as the money flows, and the carebear corps x-up for alliance ops and the occassional roam, they're perfectly happy in complete ing darkness about how the furries make them ISK. Even if they do know industry, the odds are they've never looked close enough at the mechanics to see the exploits that a full on industrial player may notice, so the other assumption would be "damn, they're good at this" and leave it at that. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.**
Twoside Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.12 15:49:00 - [91] Originally by: LoveKebab Edited by: LoveKebab on 12/12/2008 13:37:42 Originally by: Tholarim Originally by: Afale II Edited by: Afale II on 12/12/2008 02:19:43 Originally by: Viper **zIe [16:12] <> so evoke just confirmed it was KIA [16:13] <> aswell [16:13] <> LOL [16:13] <> bahaha [16:13] <> eddz down [16:13] <> no apparently [16:13] <> they changed all their pos fits [16:13] <> before this hit that's enough proof where is the inquisitor? Yeh i heard about a thread on RZR forums about molle apparently being banned to! fred0 is always telling ** man, last time i heard TRI was also involved but i stoped listening to what he says the day i left rzr every1 who stand against NC combined forces for more than 3 days has to cheat... **, i personally type "give all" durning loading screen to multiply my isk by x2 we never said you cheat, proof or stfu. The only thing we ever said is that you're incredibly dumb, which you keep proving over and over again :)
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.12 15:55:00 - [92] So where is our newly voted players team to make sure that the CCP employees that ignored the exploit are not in the alliances that benefited from the exploit giving them an unfair advantage for years? Say what you will about me, but this smells like bull at the highest level and should be investigated by that team. CCP with their track record can not be trusted.
Thuffyr Ewwith Caldari Multiverse Corporation Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.12.12 15:57:00 - [93] Edited by: Thuffyr Ewwith on 12/12/2008 15:58:33 Originally by: moppinator Still we want to apologize to the whole EvE Online Community for our failure at discovering the actions of that group of former members ourselves. They have fooled and disappointed us even more than they did you. regards Well, if it is really true that your corp was getting financial advantage by cheating, I am sure that you was not disappointed by these advantages! And of course, prisons all around the real world are full of innocents persons, so I am almost ready to understand that you all are innocent also... CCP ban only innocent peoples, it is well known... T. edit: font
mamolian Gallente Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.	Posted - 2008.12.12 15:57:00 - [94] Was Tom Mccash banned? -----------
Rexthor Hammerfists Caldari Rage of Inferno	Posted - 2008.12.12 16:10:00 - [95] A bloody shame to see evoke involved - Boosters and PirateProfessions
Aerick Dawn Gallente Clown Punchers. Clown Punchers Syndicate	Posted - 2008.12.12 16:17:00 - [96] Disband your alliance in shame, seriously, your not fooling anyone to state that HC had no idea what was going on __________________ If I'm in a fair fight, i've done something terribly wrong.
Princess Jodi Gallente Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.12 16:30:00 - [97] Sorry, but apology rejected here as well. Evoke leadership really needs to consider the taint that was put on Bob because of past cheating. Your alliance will NEVER be considered clean again. Reality or not, the Perception is that you knowingly harbored cheaters. I spent 2 years fueling pos's who's products were then sold for minimal profit due to this. No way I'm personally gonna forgive the cheaters for stealing my profits.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.12.12 16:39:00 - [98] Originally by: Moonlight Express So where is our newly voted players team to make sure that the CCP employees that ignored the exploit are not in the alliances that benefited from the exploit giving them an unfair advantage for years? They are going to have a meeting this weekend with CCP.
Mark Amarr Amarr Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.12 16:49:00 - [99] Originally by: Avernus Originally by: Moonlight Express Just like others in alliances that were exposed of cheating, Ev0ke will forever be labeled as cheaters regardless if majority of your membership did not know about it. It might not be fair, but that's how it is in EVE. Apology rejected. Disagree. Some like labels, others have a brain. Disagree also - if only from the viewpoint that, since we pretty much all accept that all alliances have spies, if it was general knowledge within an alliance that practices like this were possible (let alone actually happening) that general alliance knowledge would soon get out. Since this clearly did not happen, I'm quite ready to believe that this activity was a closely guarded secret of one, or very few individuals. Props to you on this one, ev0ke.
ElCoCo Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.12 16:56:00 - [100] Originally by: Avan Strega Originally by: KIAEddZ Tbh, we are a fkin poor Alliance taking quote out of context here for lols Confirming your out of context quote! Boink!
hantwo Amarr S.A.S Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.12.12 16:56:00 - [101] Originally by: Astasia Orian lol how did we spank G so badly in fountain when they had infinite money? :( theres always one gobby little muppet ^^ Why me eh?
RahSun Minmatar Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.12.12 17:04:00 - [102] Originally by: thoth foc Given how your allies have acted in the past over such things, i'll be interested in how this turns out.. The thing is, this time around CCP is actually trying to remove the ill gotten assets funded by exploits. I don't think they took the t2 items already built or the profits, ships, ammo, etc. when they pulled the BPOs from your corp. Maybe they're learning.
Vengal Seyhan Minmatar Sten Industries	Posted - 2008.12.12 17:07:00 - [103] Originally by: CCP Navigator Please keep the thread on topic'. Accussing other players, corporations or alliances of cheating based on hearsay, speculation or just "this is what I think" is not permitted and may result in a warning or ban. Fair enough point, I think. FYI : I asked some of my real life friends in Razor about this exploit. They knew about it for over a year but didn't take advantage of it. It seems half of Eve knew about it :P It makes me feel sorry for my friend in my corp who was grinding the maintenance for 4 large POSes making ferrogel the hard way - hauling in from Jita and reselling back there afterward. One of the big root causes of this is that the petition and bug report systems don't work together. Bug reporting is ****ing unweildy and has to be done out-of-game. Usually the process starts : I notice something amiss; petition it; get a reply that it should be bug reported; drop the matter and move on. 90% of the time I can't be arsed to spawn an external window and go through the hassle of logging in, etc etc etc. I have more fun and interesting things to do that wrestle with the bug report system (it's a game after all, and I pay to play... not get paid by CCP to do QA work). Effcient in-game bug reporting (including referrals of petitions by GMs) might have helped to get this exploit noticed and attended to a lot earlier. (- especially since all the third party forums are indicating that this was initially petitioned waaaay back in 2005, and went to exploit when -unethical- people got unsatisfactory responses to their petitions).
darth solo Caldari Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2008.12.12 17:16:00 - [104] im hearing stuff that makes me angry. Its possible that MASSIVE cash injections were given to certain groups in eve to "make sure" that wars were won. Im even seeing that some may have involved my own alliance in the north. EVOKE moving a massive capital fleet, freighters and titans into the INSURGENY hq system in the north caused us massive ammounts of problems, i never did quite understand how such a small group had such amazing hardware. Im starting to feel totally cheated tbh because i worked my ass off in the north to make things work, i may as well have not bothered. grrrrrrrrrrr. d solo.
LoveKebab Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.12.12 17:23:00 - [105] Edited by: LoveKebab on 12/12/2008 17:25:41 Originally by: Twoside Originally by: LoveKebab fred0 is always telling ** man, last time i heard TRI was also involved but i stoped listening to what he says the day i left rzr every1 who stand against NC combined forces for more than 3 days has to cheat... , i personally type "give all" durning loading screen to multiply my isk by x2 we never said you cheat, proof or stfu. The only thing we ever said is that you're incredibly dumb, which you keep proving over and over again :) u r such an awsome guy i looked for exact quote of what ur beloved alliance leader said in diferent thread: Originally by:** Fred0 On the other hand TRI and it's wealthy individuals are prime suspects of having abused this bug in my book. i gonna end dragging tri vs nc stuff into this topic as it should be all about laughing @ ev0ke and entire AMT whos leader was invoved in exploiting this **** for at least couple months
O Thief Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.12 17:34:00 - [106] Originally by: darth solo im hearing stuff that makes me angry. Its possible that MASSIVE cash injections were given to certain groups in eve to "make sure" that wars were won. Im even seeing that some may have involved my own alliance in the north. EVOKE moving a massive capital fleet, freighters and titans into the INSURGENY hq system in the north caused us massive ammounts of problems, i never did quite understand how such a small group had such amazing hardware. Im starting to feel totally cheated tbh because i worked my ass off in the north to make things work, i may as well have not bothered. grrrrrrrrrrr. d solo. Yes, the time when they moved in with about a dozen motherships and a few titans was a 'wtf' moment... I thought it might have been old G/TRUST/D2 wealth. But it seems that old wealth wasn't as clean as perhaps thought...
Wesley Baird Caldari BURN EDEN Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.12.12 17:37:00 - [107] Originally by: Vengal Seyhan One of the big root causes of this is that the petition and bug report systems don't work together. Bug reporting is **ing unweildy and has to be done out-of-game. Usually the process starts : I notice something amiss; petition it; get a reply that it should be bug reported; drop the matter and move on. 90% of the time I can't be arsed to spawn an external window and go through the hassle of logging in, etc etc etc. I have more fun and interesting things to do that wrestle with the bug report system (it's a game after all, and I pay to play... not get paid by CCP to do QA work). Agreed, bug reporting in a game of such complexity is ****edly cumbersome. Why they dont tie it to the petition system with a way to auto-attach the correct information (ie, system config and log to the bug report from the petition window) is beyond me.
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.12 17:39:00 - [108] Edited by: Moonlight Express on 12/12/2008 17:42:10 Originally by: Gnulpie Originally by: Moonlight Express So where is our newly voted players team to make sure that the CCP employees that ignored the exploit are not in the alliances that benefited from the exploit giving them an unfair advantage for years? They are going to have a meeting this weekend with CCP. In that case I hope that they inform the public of exactly who the devs were and which alliance they belonged to right after their employement is terminated from CCP. Also, what capital BPO were purchased by these individuals or persons receiving isk from them and which alliances received ships built from those BPO that helped them in their war effort. Imo, they should all be banned and at least the super capitals built from those exploited founds be removed from the game.
Moxyll Gallente coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.12.12 17:41:00 - [109] Originally by: Pettu Originally by: Helen And I thought the drama was all in TRI at the moment. What, we have drama ? Dude, move your navy mega off of the Aunenen gate, you're messing up our pirating!
Emywn Vanya Caldari Redemption or Retribution Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.12 17:41:00 - [110] @ Evoke I feel for you guys that had no idea what was going on. As for the alliance as a whole; personally I would disband. The name is going to be associated with cheaters rightly or wrongly and that will never go away. (look at BoB... one small event and everyone still brings it up). Then again maybe this will make you guys a better group. Either way fly safe. ----------------------- The answer is 42
Stalina Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad	Posted - 2008.12.12 18:24:00 - [111] Originally by: darth solo im hearing stuff that makes me angry. Its possible that MASSIVE cash injections were given to certain groups in eve to "make sure" that wars were won. Im even seeing that some may have involved my own alliance in the north. EVOKE moving a massive capital fleet, freighters and titans into the INSURGENY hq system in the north caused us massive ammounts of problems, i never did quite understand how such a small group had such amazing hardware. Im starting to feel totally cheated tbh because i worked my ass off in the north to make things work, i may as well have not bothered. grrrrrrrrrrr. d solo. Now thats some serious whine. Get over it.
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.12 18:30:00 - [112] Originally by: darth solo Im just a little hacked off that iv been trying to compete with ppl that have cheated for years tbh. always wondered why so many of you were able to afford all the toys and prolong the wars while my lads have had to work like bears. anyways. i picked a good time to move away from 0.0 alliance stuff it seems, I dont think ill ever really trust CCP to make this game fair. d solo. While I agree it is disheartening on one level, I still feel confident at least that far greater number of us have worked hard for what we have than the number of people who perpetrated this and other exploits. It's hard, at least at this point, to quantify the extent to which the game has been harmed or how these events have shaped the game as it is today. I'm also troubled by the fact that this thing has been out there for so long and it seems that many people tried to point the situation out to CCP and it just either got ignored or somehow fell through the cracks. It seems kind of crazy to me. /me thinks again about all that time spent grinding Guristas in Tribute for 20m an hour trying to earn the isk for the Amarr titan skillbook... "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Karash Amerius Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.12.12 18:37:00 - [113] Originally by: Janu Hull CCP missed it on two counts. One, its probably more data than a team of statistics experts can handle. Simple overload and focused efforts elsewhere (ISK farmers) likely kept them from looking too closely at what could be assumed to be players once again exceeding expectations for production. Secondly, it might just be information they weren't actively monitoring, since the usual issues with economics begins and ends at the actual currency level. As far as the alliance leaderships go, your average PvP pilot in an alliance (the type who tend to also be the leaders of those PvP alliances) knows ** all about industry beyond "it generates ISK to buy me ships so I can pewpew". Most of them can't be arsed with it because of the "carebear" stigma. So as long as the money flows, and the carebear corps x-up for alliance ops and the occassional roam, they're perfectly happy in complete **ing darkness about how the furries make them ISK. Even if they do know industry, the odds are they've never looked close enough at the mechanics to see the exploits that a full on industrial player may notice, so the other assumption would be "damn, they're good at this" and leave it at that. Pretty spot on btw. ____________________________________________ "Fighting Broke" - An Ex-Merc Blog
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.12.12 18:38:00 - [114] Originally by: darth solo im hearing stuff that makes me angry. Its possible that MASSIVE cash injections were given to certain groups in eve to "make sure" that wars were won. Im even seeing that some may have involved my own alliance in the north. EVOKE moving a massive capital fleet, freighters and titans into the INSURGENY hq system in the north caused us massive ammounts of problems, i never did quite understand how such a small group had such amazing hardware. Im starting to feel totally cheated tbh because i worked my ass off in the north to make things work, i may as well have not bothered. grrrrrrrrrrr. d solo. I definitely see your point Darth. It is a very very poor situation. To be honest I think Ev0ke would be better off disbanding at this point with the remaining players doing their best to go about their own things and rebuild a reputation outside the tainted brand that Ev0ke now definitely will become. There are some huge issues here, many things were achieved with the resources available to these players and who knows how things would have turned out differently in certain 0.0 regions if everybody was playing on an even playing field. From 0.0 campaigns, to economic advantage and acquisition, to alliance tournament results. Who knows how much was truly impacted by this. Basically. Ev0ke should fold. CCP need to conduct a detailed, exhaustive AND transparent investigation into this and we as players need to be honestly informed as to how far reaching the impact of this cheating has been. It really does need naming and shaming this time around in the greater interests of the game of Eve online and the continuing enjoyment of the remaining honest players. ISSUE - Bring back live events
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.12.12 19:18:00 - [115] Originally by: Karash Amerius Originally by: Janu Hull CCP missed it on two counts. One, its probably more data than a team of statistics experts can handle. Simple overload and focused efforts elsewhere (ISK farmers) likely kept them from looking too closely at what could be assumed to be players once again exceeding expectations for production. Secondly, it might just be information they weren't actively monitoring, since the usual issues with economics begins and ends at the actual currency level. As far as the alliance leaderships go, your average PvP pilot in an alliance (the type who tend to also be the leaders of those PvP alliances) knows ** all about industry beyond "it generates ISK to buy me ships so I can pewpew". Most of them can't be arsed with it because of the "carebear" stigma. So as long as the money flows, and the carebear corps x-up for alliance ops and the occassional roam, they're perfectly happy in complete ing darkness about how the furries make them ISK. Even if they do know industry, the odds are they've never looked close enough at the mechanics to see the exploits that a full on industrial player may notice, so the other assumption would be "damn, they're good at this" and leave it at that. Pretty spot on btw. Thanks. I didn't mean that mockingly, either. It's just how EVE is. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.**
mamolian Gallente Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.	Posted - 2008.12.12 19:18:00 - [116] Pretty ridiculous recommending they disband tbh.. Keep your head up high.. and work through it. With that said.. ****ing cheaters -----------
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.12.12 19:26:00 - [117] Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 12/12/2008 18:39:41 Originally by: darth solo im hearing stuff that makes me angry. Its possible that MASSIVE cash injections were given to certain groups in eve to "make sure" that wars were won. Im even seeing that some may have involved my own alliance in the north. EVOKE moving a massive capital fleet, freighters and titans into the INSURGENY hq system in the north caused us massive ammounts of problems, i never did quite understand how such a small group had such amazing hardware. Im starting to feel totally cheated tbh because i worked my ass off in the north to make things work, i may as well have not bothered. grrrrrrrrrrr. d solo. I definitely see your point Darth. It is a very very poor situation. To be honest I think Ev0ke would be better off disbanding at this point with the remaining players doing their best to go about their own things and rebuild a reputation outside the tainted brand that Ev0ke now definitely will become. There are some huge issues here, many things were achieved with the resources available to these players and who knows how things would have turned out differently in certain 0.0 regions if everybody was playing on an even playing field. From 0.0 campaigns, to economic advantage and acquisition, to alliance tournament results. Who knows how much was truly impacted by this. Basically. Ev0ke should fold. CCP need to conduct a detailed, exhaustive AND transparent investigation into this and we as players need to be honestly informed as to how far reaching the impact of this cheating has been. It really does need naming and shaming of corporations and alliance advantage this time around in the greater interests of the game of Eve online and the continuing enjoyment of the remaining honest players. Reputations can be rebuilt, given time. If Ev0ke folds, let it be because they can't survive without the exploit backing them. If there's any "justice" that comes out of this, let it be that, and that alone. This isn't some little tea party game of policy and diplomacy we play, EVE's a constant trial by combat. Right now, the people who remain in Ev0ke (who likely had no idea what was going on) have something to prove to us. If they care enough about their alliance, and by extension the game, they can prove it on the battlefield. If they can handle the heat from the fallout of this exploit, then as far as I'm concerned, they can keep the name and go on. I fully believe they're going to be facing all comers here before too long, especially alliances they've probably held the line against with the economic benefit from this exploit. I'm only sorry Terra Incognita left Vanguard, because I'd be one of the first to have a crack at them. I miss fighting them in Venal already. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
Adelphie Caldari R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2008.12.12 19:58:00 - [118] Originally by: Janu Hull I'm only sorry Terra Incognita left Vanguard, because I'd be one of the first to have a crack at them. I miss fighting them in Venal already. To be honest I feel pretty sorry for the Vanguard alliance in general. Getting station camped by multiple supercaps for weeks on end is enough to put strain on any small alliance. In this case it was a strain which in part led not only to the departure of myself, but several other corps from the alliance (although glad to see some rebuilding going on). I used to have respect for Evoke for overpowering us with a mightier cap fleet then ours, however I always felt that when it came down to a good even fight Evoke often came out as losers. Now we learn that we were cheated out of a potential victory. Along with many other pilots who have fought those involved with this cheating I am not as bothered by the isk made from dishonesty more the isk of the honest which has been lost due to cheating that really gets on my ****. Yes I am a bit bitter, and yes we probably still would have lost but the principle still stands!
Adelphie Caldari R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2008.12.12 20:02:00 - [119] Edited by: Adelphie on 12/12/2008 20:02:11 Originally by: Janu Hull As far as the alliance leaderships go, your average PvP pilot in an alliance (the type who tend to also be the leaders of those PvP alliances) knows **** all about industry beyond "it generates ISK to buy me ships so I can pewpew". I'll let that one slip. Now make me a ship to pewpew in carebear.
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.12.12 20:12:00 - [120] Originally by: Adelphie Originally by: Janu Hull I'm only sorry Terra Incognita left Vanguard, because I'd be one of the first to have a crack at them. I miss fighting them in Venal already. To be honest I feel pretty sorry for the Vanguard alliance in general. Getting station camped by multiple supercaps for weeks on end is enough to put strain on any small alliance. In this case it was a strain which in part led not only to the departure of myself, but several other corps from the alliance (although glad to see some rebuilding going on). I used to have respect for Evoke for overpowering us with a mightier cap fleet then ours, however I always felt that when it came down to a good even fight Evoke often came out as losers. Now we learn that we were cheated out of a potential victory. Along with many other pilots who have fought those involved with this cheating I am not as bothered by the isk made from dishonesty more the isk of the honest which has been lost due to cheating that really gets on my **. Yes I am a bit bitter, and yes we probably still would have lost but the principle still stands! I hear you. One of the reasons we finally pulled out was the loss of access to a station system. There were other reasons, but if we had managed to hold onto PF-, we may have stuck it out. As it was, I personally hated leaving, especially how we left, because it cost me the friendship of a lot of people I still respect the hell out of, Dark included. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.**
Grarr Dexx Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.12.12 20:14:00 - [121] Props to you for coping with the drone regions ----- Nexus stamps of approvalÖ count: 1
Nose Snot Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti	Posted - 2008.12.12 21:09:00 - [122] Dear Evoke, If you need a home, please come join the Caldari Militia.
KhaelaMensha Khaine Minmatar Bladerunners KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.12 22:32:00 - [123] Originally by: Viper **zIe Trolling removed. Navigator CCP >> Viper
Chr0nosX Caldari Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.12.13 00:01:00 - [124] If I had loads of isk, too much for me to spend myself the first people I would give it to would be alliance and corp mates.
Estios Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.12.13 03:25:00 - [125] Can I have someones stuff ? So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Popsikle Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.12.13 04:07:00 - [126] Originally by: harry beanbag An alliance as a whole cannot be held responsible for the unknown actions of a few of its members. There are many fine pilots in Evoke and i dont believe these actions should taint the name of your alliance. Ya, ok.... Because people dont blame bob for t20... ____ <t20> i want to be in a manager potition at Hooters <SaraDawn> Garthagk, do you have it up ? <Garthagk> I can get it up anytime.
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.13 04:55:00 - [127] Originally by: Popsikle Originally by: harry beanbag An alliance as a whole cannot be held responsible for the unknown actions of a few of its members. There are many fine pilots in Evoke and i dont believe these actions should taint the name of your alliance. Ya, ok.... Because people dont blame bob for t20... Yea, whereÆs the outrage from goons now? Compared to this, the T20 incident seems like a drop in the ocean.
Breaky Uzumaki Caldari The Greater Moon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.12.13 06:30:00 - [128] Originally by: Moonlight Express Originally by: Popsikle Originally by: harry beanbag An alliance as a whole cannot be held responsible for the unknown actions of a few of its members. There are many fine pilots in Evoke and i dont believe these actions should taint the name of your alliance. Ya, ok.... Because people dont blame bob for t20... Yea, whereÆs the outrage from goons now? Compared to this, the T20 incident seems like a drop in the ocean. I'd say employees cheating at the game is still >>>> players cheating at the game.
Dungar Loghoth Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.12.13 06:53:00 - [129] Every alliance cheats. Only two things vary: the degree that they cheat and whether they get caught. ---
Darkdood Caldari Estrale Frontiers BlackWater.	Posted - 2008.12.13 07:02:00 - [130] WAKE UP PEOPLE!!! I give props to Evoke for admitting it etc but frankly they had no choice. They had already been outed... ok whatever... There was 70+ accounts and 7 corps listed only 2 corps were Evoke. WHO ARE THE OTHER PEOPLE...? These people and or there corp/alliance mates need to just come forward admit their guilt and take it like a man. Otherwise CCP needs to hunt them down like rabid dogs.
Ironnight Caldari x13 X13 Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.13 07:06:00 - [131] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Every alliance cheats. Only two things vary: the degree that they cheat and whether they get caught. No not all alliances cheat, but clearly Pandemic Legion does, care to enlighten us? They're like 'oh **** son, its a trap ' Doomsday
Graalum Caldari Interstellar eXodus	Posted - 2008.12.13 07:20:00 - [132] Edited by: Graalum on 13/12/2008 07:20:55 so asw and moon7emplar, who are the other 5 corps? or are they alt corps of those two corps?
Cordele Gallente Gemini Technologies Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.12.13 07:51:00 - [133] Originally by: Jade Constantine From 0.0 campaigns, to economic advantage and acquisition, to alliance tournament results. Who knows how much was truly impacted by this. Basically. Ev0ke should fold. If the exploit was central to Ev0ke's achievements, and the assets acquired from it have now been confiscated, then they will collapse without it. If it wasn't, then there was more to their success as an alliance and they deserve to continue. Either way, folding would be pointless.
Ari Xali Caldari Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2008.12.13 09:07:00 - [134] Thank you for the statement and apology. There is much about this situation that confuses me and no doubt a lot of other people. We need FACTS not speculation, but I think that we need clarification as a matter of urgency on precisely how long has this been going on? If it has been 4 years as some are saying, then that is a truly shocking. Again props to Evoke for confession. Roughnecks Forever!
O Thief Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.13 09:51:00 - [135] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Every alliance cheats. Only two things vary: the degree that they cheat and whether they get caught. How do you define 'cheating'? PS - you're wrong
Scatim Helicon Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.12.13 11:10:00 - [136] Originally by: Astasia Orian lol how did we spank G so badly in fountain when they had infinite money? :( Because back then BoB was still pretty good at this game -----------
Scatim Helicon Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.12.13 11:11:00 - [137] Originally by: Cordele If the exploit was central to Ev0ke's achievements, and the assets acquired from it have now been confiscated, then they will collapse without it. If it wasn't, then there was more to their success as an alliance and they deserve to continue. Either way, folding would be pointless. Originally by: Cordele If the exploit was central to Ev0ke's achievements, and the assets acquired from it have now been confiscated, then they will collapse without it. If it wasn't, then there was more to their success as an alliance and they deserve to continue. Either way, folding would be pointless. Originally by: Cordele Ev0ke's achievements Originally by: Cordele their success as an alliance lawl -----------
Kortat Amarr Setenta Corp	Posted - 2008.12.13 12:04:00 - [138] did ev0ke as alliance in ANY form benefit at all from ANY of the banned members... this i ask you ev0ke-- did u EVER get a ship or ANYTHING from the banned persons ? answer this please--- till then u are not worthy of anything--- saying u where unaware is ok. but id like those questions answered fully!
Cordele Gallente Gemini Technologies Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.12.13 12:29:00 - [139] Originally by: Scatim Helicon Originally by: Cordele Ev0ke's achievements lawl
nadro Gallente Wreckless Abandon G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.12.13 12:48:00 - [140] Originally by: Estios Can I have someones stuff ? lol, exactly how i feel
Dungar Loghoth Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.12.13 15:28:00 - [141] Originally by: Ironnight Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Every alliance cheats. Only two things vary: the degree that they cheat and whether they get caught. No not all alliances cheat, but clearly Pandemic Legion does, care to enlighten us? Teamspeak spies. And yes, at some capacity, every alliance cheats. Just because they haven't been caught or don't cheat at an alliance-wide level doesn't mean they don't. ---
Sacul Gallente Wreckless Abandon G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.12.13 16:14:00 - [142] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Originally by: Ironnight Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Every alliance cheats. Only two things vary: the degree that they cheat and whether they get caught. No not all alliances cheat, but clearly Pandemic Legion does, care to enlighten us? Teamspeak spies. And yes, at some capacity, every alliance cheats. Just because they haven't been caught or don't cheat at an alliance-wide level doesn't mean they don't. Funny thing that teamspeak spies are not even considered spies anymore I for one felt insulted and thought i do not cheat!! ow shii.....ts spies d0h! Wonder how many other cheats i engage in without thinking of them like that.
Orange Species Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.12.13 16:36:00 - [143] awaits the MM statement -------------
Ayanami Hime Amarr Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.12.13 16:51:00 - [144] Originally by: Orange Species awaits the MM statement bitter troll is bitter?
Moon Kitten Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.12.13 17:01:00 - [145] when is hun reloaded releasing their statement?
Kazamidori Caldari Izanagi Orbital Fleet Izanagi Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.13 18:27:00 - [146] I like how when certain alliance basically spawned T2BPO using dev access, they get a warning. When caught with this fact, they made hundreds of excuses. A player uses CCP's messed-up codes to get extra dyspro...welp you'd be damned they get banned. When caught with this fact, they made a formal apology. Contrast FTW. --- Izanagi Alliance
thoth foc Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.12.13 18:37:00 - [147] Originally by: Kazamidori I like how when A player basically spawned T2BPO using dev access, he gets his account removed. 70ish? characters, within 7 corps and 2 alliances use CCP's messed-up codes to get extra dyspro... welp you'd be damned they get banned. corrected for you ------------------ x-DSMA (Menta) x-CA (OMEGA/BOS) x-.5.(ATUK) BOB (DICE)
David Khan Minmatar The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.12.13 19:48:00 - [148] Originally by: Orange Species awaits the MM statement Hey watch out Dread I got a 30d ban for saying the same thing basically.
CHAOS100 Gallente Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.12.13 21:26:00 - [149] Originally by: Kazamidori I like how when certain alliance basically spawned T2BPO using dev access, they get a warning. When caught with this fact, they made hundreds of excuses. A player uses CCP's messed-up codes to get extra dyspro...welp you'd be damned they get banned. When caught with this fact, they made a formal apology. Contrast FTW. 2nd'd --------------
Monkey Saturday Gallente Unknown Soldiers Soldiers Of New Eve	Posted - 2008.12.14 00:26:00 - [150] Edited by: Monkey Saturday on 14/12/2008 00:26:29 http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo203/monkeysaturday/evoke.jpg Thanks for the Maulus BPO nerf! :D

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